I've been listening to Beethoven's String Quartet in C# minor, Op. 131
while following the score. Is this not the greatest piece of music ever
written? I believe Schubert remarked, "After this, what is left for us
to write?" I notice that I have a lot in common with Beethoven. His
favourite food was macaroni cheese & he enjoyed a good coffee. I
wouldn't advise a newcomer to classical music to start with Beethoven
because other music then sounds like an anticlimax.

From the Diary of a Fly, for piano

From All Music Guide: As one might conclude from the headnote for this
piece. Bartók attempts here to depict the actions of a fly caught in a
cobweb, from the fly's perspective -- i.e., as related from his diary.
The composer revealed there are buzzing sounds depicted that signify
the fly's desperation to escape. In the end, he does.

Has anyone else heard this piece?

If expense is an issue, you can see if the discs are
available individually and choose only those that
contain works you don't otherwise have a recording of.
  I don't think you'll be disappointed with sound
quality, however, and I've never regretted having
multiple performances of the same music, so I don't
think you'd ever live to regret the purchase.
There are some other sets on Hungaraton you might also
investigate besides the complete edition.  One is
"Bartok at the Piano," a 6 CD set HCD 12326-31
containing recordings Bartok made.  Another is the 4
Cd set "Bartok Recordings From Private Collections,"
HCD 12334-35 containing "Private and family
recordings, fragments, HMV test recording."  Here, of
course, sound quality is not what one expects in
today's recordings, but the material is priceless.
Hungaraton has also issued the Bartok "Turkish folk
music collection" on CD, HCD 18218-19, "from the
phonograph archive of the Hungaraian Ethnographical
Museum."
A few other interesting CDs are "Pure Springs:
Hungarian Folk Tunes and their arrangements in works
by Bartok and Kodaly" on Hungaraton HCD 18252 and
"Muzsikas, The Bartok Album," on Hannibal HNCD 1439,
if you want to explore the relation of Bartok's music
to folk music.  Finally, an oddity that I found in the
bins at Tower Records when they were going out of
business is a CD called "Bartok Jazz," on Leblon
Records LB 045, containing jazz arrangements of Bartok
tunes.

Joe

--- adrianldball <adrianldball@...> wrote:

> Bartók & Beethoven are my favourite composers. So I
> will probably buy
> the complete edition but it is expensive. I just
> don't want to be
> disappointed with the sound quality or performance.
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Hello,

Here is a new "A Kékszakállú herceg vára" :

http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_code=8.660928
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BARTOK: Bluebeard's Castle

A modern version of the old European folk-tale about the cruel, blue-bearded
prince and his many disappearing wives, Bartók's oper Bluebeard's Castle is a
metaphor for the impossibility of complete love between a man and a woman. A
vast orchestra, one of Bartók's largest, supports the vocal lines, moving deftly
from moments of chamber-music-like delicacy to massive thunderheads of sound
that underline the characters' inner agony. No scene is more vividly portrayed,
though, or more memorable, than the moment when Judith opens the fifth door to
behold a vista looking out over all Blubeard's domains. One of the most
spine-tingling moments in twentieth-century opera, a violentlydissonant wave of
sound transfomrs, in an instant, to a massive C major chord in the full
orchestra.

This recording was made after the Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra's end-of-season
concert, described by The Times as 'a spectacular finale... a knockout dramatic
punch; feverishly beautiful orchestral playing; two characters, the Duke and his
new wife Judith, tactile and writhing, deelpy felt... Alsop inspired the
Bournemouth players to excel'.
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As it's a Naxos record, it's not expensive :-)

Any opinion of this record ?


Best regards,
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Adrianldball :
> Bartók & Beethoven are my favourite composers. So I will probably buy
> the complete edition but it is expensive.

Sure, it's expensive !
Despite of my plenty of records of Bartok's music, I'v very recently bought this
Complete Edition. But I's recently tha that I've not still listen at the records
; but, for a "bartokian", I thing that this Edition is truly indispensable.

Best regards,
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>Bartók & Beethoven are my favourite composers.

Me too.
You're welcome !

Riwall

P S: could I add Bach (JS) and Mozart ?

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Bartók & Beethoven are my favourite composers. So I will probably buy
the complete edition but it is expensive. I just don't want to be
disappointed with the sound quality or performance.

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> Hi all, it's so great to see a yahoo group on Bartok. Does anyone own
> the Complete Bartok Edition (Hungaroton-29CD) and if so would they
> recommend this set?
>
> Adrian
>

Hello Adrian,

What for do you want get the Complete Bartók Edition ?

If you're interested with Bartok's master-works, you are able to find
a lot of records outside this Edition. If your goal is to know
Bartók's music as well as you can, this Complete Edition is fully
recommanded. But you're invited to get others records to complete your
approach.


Riwall

Hello everyone,

   Welcome to a fellow Aussie to the Belabartokclub. 'Adrianldball' you are a
very welcomed addition to our group.

   I have been keeping a very low profile for a while as I have been very busy
with part time work (which is now finished), family, and politics (for our
international readers Australia recently had elections and out of it a new prime
minister and change of government). I was helping a friend with her election
campaign. She did not get elected but she did poll well.

   I will have to get back into Bartok's music over the Christmas period.
Bartok's Concerto for Orchestra was included in our ABC FM Radio station's
recent Australian top 100 Concerto Countdown which took place in early November
this year.

   I would like to extend to our members of the group the compliments of the
season and a prosperous and healthy new year. I hope that the group can be more
active next year.

   Take care everyone,
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Hello, Adrian,

I bought the Hungaraton set when it first appeared.
Bartok's work is important enough to me that I
couldn't pass up the opportunity to be a "completist."
  If you feel the same way, I would recommend the set
-- I'm not sure where it would be currently available,
though -- although if your library of Bartok
recordings is substantial enough you might choose to
simply supplement what you currently have with
individual discs of works you currently don't have
recordings of.  I suspect that the discs in the set
are available individually, but I never bothered to
check since I bought the whole collection.

Joe

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> Hi all, it's so great to see a yahoo group on
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> so would they
> recommend this set?
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Hi all, it's so great to see a yahoo group on Bartok. Does anyone own
the Complete Bartok Edition (Hungaroton-29CD) and if so would they
recommend this set?

Adrian

Unfortunately I couldn't find a website with a cross-numbered list.
Perhaps it isn't too hard to compare the following lists, even if the
second one is in Hungarian:

A list with DD (Denijs Dille) and Sz (Szöllősy) numbers:
http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~tojan/bartok/bbworks.htm

Here is a list (in Hungarian) with BB numbers (the list established by
László Somfai):
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB

It seems that a new version of the BB list (Béla Bartók Thematic
Catalogue) is in preparation.

Hope this helps, Pierre

Here are some examples of the various systems -- Bartók's early Opus numbering
(Op.) system, the Szöllósy (Sz.) system, and the Béla Bartók (BB) system, as I
have gleaned from various compositions I own on CDs:

   1908 Violin Concerto #1 Sz. 36 BB 48a
1910 2 Pictures for Orchestra Op. 10 Sz. 46
1917 Romanian Folkdances Sz. 68 BB 76
1923 Dance Suite Sz. 77
1926 Piano Concerto #1 Sz. 83
1927 The Miraculous Mandarin: Suite Op. 19 Sz. 73
1928 Rhapsody #1 for Violin and Orchestra Sz. 87 BB 94b
1928 Rhapsody #2 for Violin and Orchestra Sz. 90 BB 96b
1930 Cantata Profana Sz. 94
1931 Piano Concerto #2 Sz. 95
1931 5 Hungarian Sketches Sz. 97 BB 103
1936 Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta Sz. 106
1937 44 Duets for 2 Violins Sz. 98 BB 104 (6 excerpts)
1938 Violin Concerto #2 Sz. 112 BB 117
1939 Divertimento for Strings Sz. 113
1943 Concerto for Orchestra Sz. 116 BB 123
1944 Sonata for Violin Sz. 117 BB 124
1945 Piano Concerto #3 Sz. 119
1945 Viola Concerto Sz. 120 BB 128

   As I don't have any of the extremely early works there are none with any DD
(Denijs Dille) numbers (corresponding to Sz. 1 - 25). The BB numbering system
has been organized by László Somfai.

   Pace

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LOL well as Bach's works are assigned Bach Werke Verzeichnis (Bach Works
Catalogue) and some other composers are also similarly catalogued with their own
WV (BuxWV for Buxtehude, WAB for Bruckner, etc.), also the BWV numbers
correspond to the S. (Schmieder) catalogue; the K. (Köchel) catalogue for
Mozart, Kk. (Kirkpatrick) for Scarlatti and others; so even though some of
Bartók's works do have Opus numbers they're rather erratic and there are a few
cataloguing systems, by far the most familiar of which is the one by András
Szöllosy (Sz.) from 1 to 121 in chronological order; Denijs Dille reorganized
the juvenilia (Sz. 1 through 25) as DD 1 through 77. There is a BB numbering
system organized by László Somfai. I'm not quite familiar with it but it appears
to be the latest attempt to organize everything from top to bottom, perhaps a
bit more thoroughly than with either Szöllósy or Dille.

   Pace

   Eric

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Eric Koenig wrote:
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> Silly me ...
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> Still, wonderful works and sounds very enjoyable.
>
> Pace
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>
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>
> In a recital given at the 2007 Schwetzingen Festival, pianist Andras Schiff
contrasts Bach with
> Bartok in a concert from the Rococo Theatre.
>
> Bartok: Out of Doors, Sz81
> Bach: English suite No 3 in G minor, BWV 808
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> Bartok: Sonata for piano, Sz80
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Well, Bach words get a BMV number, why can't we have a Bartok number? :-)

Eric Koenig wrote:
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>
>   For a moment I thought it was an abbreviation (pardon my ignorance, given
the context of this being the Bartók Club and all) for "Bela Bartók (Piano)
Concerto (No.) 3 Again."
>
>   Silly me ...
>
>   Still, wonderful works and sounds very enjoyable.
>
>   Pace
>
>   Eric
>
> rugby52732 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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>
> Presented by Suzy Klein.
>
> 1.00pm Radio 3 Lunchtime Concert
>
> In a recital given at the 2007 Schwetzingen Festival, pianist Andras Schiff
contrasts Bach with
> Bartok in a concert from the Rococo Theatre.
>
> Bartok: Out of Doors, Sz81
> Bach: English suite No 3 in G minor, BWV 808
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::facepalm:: Oh THAT BBC!

   For a moment I thought it was an abbreviation (pardon my ignorance, given the
context of this being the Bartók Club and all) for "Bela Bartók (Piano) Concerto
(No.) 3 Again."

   Silly me ...

   Still, wonderful works and sounds very enjoyable.

   Pace

   Eric

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           Tuesday 21 August 2007 13:00-17:00 (Radio 3)

Presented by Suzy Klein.

1.00pm Radio 3 Lunchtime Concert

In a recital given at the 2007 Schwetzingen Festival, pianist Andras Schiff
contrasts Bach with
Bartok in a concert from the Rococo Theatre.

Bartok: Out of Doors, Sz81
Bach: English suite No 3 in G minor, BWV 808
Bartok: Mikrokosmos, Sz107 (Book 6)
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Tuesday 21 August 2007 13:00-17:00 (Radio 3)

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In a recital given at the 2007 Schwetzingen Festival, pianist Andras Schiff
contrasts Bach with
Bartok in a concert from the Rococo Theatre.

Bartok: Out of Doors, Sz81
Bach: English suite No 3 in G minor, BWV 808
Bartok: Mikrokosmos, Sz107 (Book 6)
Bartok: Sonata for piano, Sz80

Schiff, Rattle,Birmingham  at Koln, 1997--stunning ! :

http://stage6.divx.com/user/Shaper85/video/1413291/Bartok---Piano-Concerto-No-3-
(Schiff)

Nice performance! Thanks for sharing this link (and this site too!)

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> Kocsis,1995,brilliant:
>
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http://stage6.divx.com/user/opus3863a/video/1407395/ZOLTAN-KOCSIS-Bartok-Piano-
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Hello Pierre,

For some reason I only saw your first message on the
archive page (instead of recieving the email); thanks!
  Your summary is pretty impressive in comparison to my
Petit gramaire Hongroise (I. Kont), which tries to
explain the gy in terms of the "prononciation vulgaire
chez les Normands" (more strangely still, the first
British grammar I peeked at also assumed its readers
were familiar with this dialect).

RIchard Mix

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> Richard Mix asked:
>
> > have any of you come across a useful chapter or
> > footnote somewhere on sung versus spoken
> Hungarian?
>
> I found a Hungarian Pronunciation Guide also in
> English at
>
>
http://www.phantomranch.net/folkdanc/alphabet/hungarian.htm
>
> It's much shorter than mine, but it can be a good
> basis for the beginning.
>
> Best wishes, Pierre
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> have any of you come across a useful chapter or
> footnote somewhere on sung versus spoken Hungarian?

I found a Hungarian Pronunciation Guide also in English at

http://www.phantomranch.net/folkdanc/alphabet/hungarian.htm

It's much shorter than mine, but it can be a good basis for the beginning.

Best wishes, Pierre

New Complete Recordings of Bartók's Wooden Prince and Bluebeard's Castle
The Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra conducted by Marin Alsop recorded
two all-Bartók programmes. Central to the first sessions was a
complete performance of the Hungarian composer's romantic fairytale
ballet The Wooden Prince, Op. 13, composed between 1914 and 1916 to a
story by Béla Balázs. The programme also includes the composer's Four
Orchestral Pieces, Op. 12, from 1912. Sessions took place from May 10
to 11, 2007.

A week later Alsop and the BSO were joined by bass Gustáv Beláck and
soprano Andrea Meláth to record Bartók's only opera, Bluebeard's
Castle, Op. 11. Bartók's friend Balázs wrote the libretto for the dark
and musically intense drama, composed in 1911, and twice revised
before the 1918 premičre.

Both albums were recorded in surround sound, and were produced and
engineered by Andrew Walton.

http://www.naxos.com/news/default.asp?pn=News&displayMenu=Naxos_News&op=323

Richard Mix asked:

> have any of you come across a useful chapter or
> footnote somewhere on sung versus spoken Hungarian?

On my website I made a Hungarian pronounciation guide for
French-speaking choir directors, at the address:
   http://www.geocities.com/pcsillag.geo/choeurs/
If you well know French, it could be useful for you.

Best wishes, Pierre

Greetings,

I'm looking forward to performing Bluebeard this fall
in Oakland, California.   It was quite a suprise
finding out about the San Francisco Conservatory
performance just a couple of years ago!   We ("Shoebox
Opera") are also doing a chamber performance, that is,
with piano, and will start rehearsing in July.   The
venue will be the Chapel of the Chimes, a columbarium
designed by Julia Morgan whose chapel, I noticed while
performing La serva padrona, has seven doors.
Amyrose McCue Gil will sing Judith and Skye Altman is
the pianist.  In the meantime, I'm making Hungarian
flashcards, reading, adding bits to the wikipedia
articles, and hunting for non-singing translations,
which are harder to come by than I expected.

Of course it would be too much to hope for a book like
Timothy Cheek's Singing in Czech: A Guide to Czech
Lyric Diction and Vocal Repertoire very soon when
we're still waiting for it's like on Russian,  but
have any of you come across a useful chapter or
footnote somewhere on sung versus spoken Hungarian?

And have any of you explored the opus 15 & 16 songs?
They are a bit hard to come by on record...

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Quite remarkably, I believe the Emerson Quartet has played al 6 in one
evening,on mor ethan pone occaision. That would be a bit much,IMHO.

Thank you Bruce and Ross for your messages about forth coming Bartok and
Sculthorpe activities.

I listened in to ABC Classic FM Radio yesterday through my mobile phone on my
way home from church travelling on the train and tuned in to an orchestral
concert to find I was listening to a piece of music that sounded Bartok like. It
turned out it was  Shostakovich Cello Concerto No 2 in G minor, Op 126 35'00
played by Frankfurt Radio Symphony Orchestra
Truls Mřrk, cello; Tugan Sokhiev, conductor. It does go to show that Bartok was
quite an influence on modern music and composers.

Bruce, I will try to catch the Sculthorpe concert. Another good modern
Australian composer is Elaina Katts-Chermin whose music I also enjoy and one of
her music pieces has made its way into the Lloyds Bank Advertisement (Eliza's
Aria from the ballet music 'The Wild Swans'). When I get some money I will
download it onto my mobile phone and use it as a ringtone.

Please everyone let us know of any future concerts featuring Bartok's music. I
will try to monitor the ABC Classic FM Site.

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If only we could go. Alas, we don't have the money to do so. I hope to hear
something like this sometime.

        Pace

        Eric

Joe Johnson <jnjohnson2@...> wrote:

Hello,

I thought members might be interested in knowing about
two concerts coming up next month at Ravinia in the
Chicago area. The Julliard Quartet will be playing
all 6 of the Bartok String Quartets over 2 evenings,
June 19 and 20. I don't know how often something like
this is done, but I'm very excited and looking forward
to hearing the entire cycle performed live.

Joe Johnson

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Bruce R. Gillespie wrote :

> Bartok admirers might like to try download a broadcast from ABC FM
> during the week of the WA Symphony Orchestra playing Peter
> Sculthorpe's 'Kakadu'. This is twentieth-century music to stand beside
> anybody's, even Bartok's. Great performance, too.

Thanks, Bruce, for this info. Could you please tell us when and how to
hear this broadcasting on the web? And if we can't connect us this
moment (for time zone reasons, for example), is it possible to hear it
later?

Best wishes, Pierre

Hi, Christine:

Sorry about the spammers, but they are hitting other YahooGroups as well.
This is a fairly recent phenomenon, and cannot be cured except by careful
moderation. A member of another group has failed in an attempt to stamp out
spammers, because the person who originally set up the group died a few
years ago! He left an enigmatic coded message, which was supposed to be able
to let the moderator in, but nobody has been able to solve the puzzle. The
only solution seems to be to copy the whole archive of the group over into a
new group, but nobody's had the energy to do this yet.

Bartok admirers might like to try download a broadcast from ABC FM during
the week of the WA Symphony Orchestra playing Peter Sculthorpe's 'Kakadu'.
This is twentieth-century music to stand beside anybody's, even Bartok's.
Great performance, too.

Best wishes
Bruce Gillespie
gandc@...