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Re: liberal views allowed here?

I tried responding to your message and accidentally hit something
that made it disappear, so if there are two of these that say the
similar thing, I apologize.

I agree that if John were still with us, he would have written a
song about the war. I can't help but believe, though, that he would
have written it in such a sensitive and thought-provoking way that
it wouldn't be offensive. I have to believe that even the most die-
hard war-monger with a warm and beating heart has a small area
within set aside for the innocent victims of war. The loudest, flag
waving American has to have some sensitivity for those same innocent
victims...so I have to believe that any song John wrote, even though
it would be in protest of the war, would manage to touch everyone in
such a way that there could be no offense taken. He was SO good at
that!! I don't know if he wrote "Re-adjustment Blues," but as
powerful as that song is, the bewilderment expressed in the
line, "...this time I was the citizen and they were pointing their
guns at me..." puts all the emotion into a context that could hardly
be called offensive (at least to an open mind and a warm and beating
heart :). Those few words said more than all the ranting and raving
in all the protests against Viet Nam. In "What Are We Making Weapons
For?" John again used his great gift to make a huge impact. The
visuals in the video were the power and force of the song. In one
scene, there is a little boy who is either preparing for his future
as a soldier, or it is suggested that this is his fate. The camera
pans down to his little feet, and it just twists your heart...all
without a word of anger spoken or sung. Recording it with the
Russian singer (Alexander Grotsky??)added just the right punch to
underscore "Let us begin..." (Gosh, he was truly a profound
artist...)Regarding the war, I think John would have used his great
gift powerfully, and without being offensive. Even President Bush
would have to concede that John is right :) God Bless America, over
and over again...

--- In btejd@yahoogroups.com, "aspengold98" <aspengold98@y...> wrote:
> Thank you Randy. I think John would want us to keep fighting for
the
> environment and work towards peace. You are right that he had this
> talent to appeal to everyone. Still I was really disappointed that
> most of his fans are so conservative. How can they approve of Bush
> when he has done everything possible to destroy the environment?
And
> of course war is the ultimate destruction of the environment not
to
> mention all those lives lost and untold injuries to innocent
people.
> I liked John most of all for his environmental and political
> activism. And he had that great talent to express it in a song
> like " What are we making weapons for" and countless others. John
> stood up for the environment and for peace. I often wonder how he
> would have felt about what's going on now. He probably would have
> written a song and for the first time his song would have been
banned
> from being played on the radio for being too critical of the war
and
> Bush. I just can't help wondering.
>
>
>
> --- In btejd@yahoogroups.com, "Randy" <rcalypso@a...> wrote:
> > Yes,ALL politcal views are welcome here. Thats the reason I
started
> > this group and WebRings some time ago. I ran into the same
problems
> > myself with other John Denver groups and WebRings.Most John
Denver
> > groups are conservative,its been that way since his death. I am
> > surprised by this. As most of his political views,the
> environment,the
> > Animals,Mother Earth,Human Kind were LIBERAL. I do not say I
know
> > WHAT John thought politicaly,I am talking about his work while
on
> > this Earth. The only reason I can think of why this is so,is he
did
> > come over as a "Goodie Two Shoes" and thus attracted this type
of
> > following.I feel that was a credit to John,the diversity
of 'fans'
> he
> > had and still has. He touched us all in some way. I do feel
however
> > that this type of exclusion since his death effects his legacy
in a
> > negative way and is not true to his work and song. The only
> > other 'group' I can think of is John Denver lives ( you can find
> this
> > link on the left of this group site where its says links) They
are
> a
> > family orientated John Denver group,but accepts a diversity of
> > thoughts when done with respect to differing views. I am a
member
> and
> > recommend them. You are more then welcome here,not only that we
> need
> > you here as this was the thought and reason for this group and
> > multiple WebRings. I stay busy with work and life it seems and
do
> as
> > I can,so feel free to step in and get it going!
> > I see there a few new memebers,welcome to ALL ! If you have a
> > site/page please consider joining our WebRings,The Largest on
the
> > internet featuring John Denver at:
> > http://www.bteJD.org
> > http://www.Calypso-WebRings.com
> >
> > Randy...Rcalypso
> > Randycalypso
> > Founder
> > ................................................................




Fri Jul 16, 2004 11:41 pm

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Hi, I joined this group because I love John's music but I am looking for a group that also shares his concern for the environment and his political views. I've...
aspengold98
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Jul 15, 2004
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Yes,ALL politcal views are welcome here. Thats the reason I started this group and WebRings some time ago. I ran into the same problems myself with other John...
Randy
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Jul 15, 2004
11:34 pm

Thank you Randy. I think John would want us to keep fighting for the environment and work towards peace. You are right that he had this talent to appeal to...
aspengold98
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Jul 16, 2004
5:48 am

I tried responding to your message and accidentally hit something that made it disappear, so if there are two of these that say the similar thing, I apologize....
whisperingjesse
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Jul 16, 2004
11:41 pm

Everything you said about John is certainly true but remember in the run up to the war anyone who voiced an objection against the war was considered...
aspengold98
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Jul 18, 2004
4:49 am

I don't keep up with the news as well as I should...why did Cheney say F*** you to a senator? I try to keep up with the vital stuff, but turn it all off when...
whisperingjesse
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Jul 25, 2004
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... 27jun04 US Vice-President Dick Cheney has no regrets about using the "F" word in a confrontation with a Democratic senator this week. "I said it . . . and...
aspengold98
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Jul 25, 2004
5:49 pm

Thank you for this. It's interesting how people will split hairs (not talking about you and your views :). I can see what you are saying now, in your other...
whisperingjesse
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Jul 26, 2004
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.> I still don't know how I feel about the war, but I do ... I support the troops too, I don't want them to die. This war is not their fault. But I do blame...
aspengold98
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Jul 27, 2004
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Sometimes, it's hard to know how to feel. I strive not to feel unhealthy anger...that is always my goal. Beyond even that is my desire to retain inner peace,...
whisperingjesse
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Jul 27, 2004
7:32 pm

... of ... the ... Oh yes I know just how you feel. There is something so special about the desert and the mountains. To just sit there in peace and listen to...
aspengold98
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Jul 28, 2004
12:42 am

This might make me sound just a little bit crazy, and maybe I am...just a little bit :) but I prefer the desert to the mountains. I do love the mountains,...
whisperingjesse
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Jul 28, 2004
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It's not at all crazy. I prefer the mountains especially hiking to the top of a mountain, but I love and appreciate the desert too. I love how you described...
aspengold98
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Jul 28, 2004
5:43 pm

Thanks for the nice things you said about my thoughts on the desert. That felt good :) I hate seeing trees ripped up by their roots and stripped of their ...
whisperingjesse
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Jul 28, 2004
8:46 pm

... continue ... Yes we have to work towards preservation. I really appreciate your sharing your thoughts on the desert. ... You didn't attend the Symposiums...
aspengold98
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Jul 31, 2004
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Raising kids alone and trying to get a college education puts quite a damper on a lot of spare time. This is why I run to the desert. It's quick solitude :)...
whisperingjesse
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Jul 31, 2004
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What goes on at the Symposiums and Aspen in October? My life really is crazy with kids and school and other demands, but I've also wondered if I might be a...
whisperingjesse
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Jul 31, 2004
12:51 pm

"What goes on at the Symposiums and Aspen in October?" When I went in 2002,there was a lot going on. There was so much so that every one could find there own...
rcalypso@...
randycalypso
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Jul 31, 2004
2:28 pm

... in downtown ... Yes I love the sanctuary, it's such a wonderful place. ... Thanks. Great pictures!...
aspengold98
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Jul 31, 2004
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... The profundity of his words being in stone hit me when I read your message. I've often heard the phrase about things "not being set or written in stone"...
whisperingjesse
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Aug 1, 2004
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... You needn't worry about that. It's out of my league too but I still love it. When I go I share a room with a friend, so each of us only paid $ 35 a night....
aspengold98
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Jul 31, 2004
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The information from Randy, about Aspen's season not beginning in October, does make a difference! And it's great to know that I wouldn't be the only one there...
whisperingjesse
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Aug 1, 2004
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If he was still on the Earth and had wrote such a song,(I think he would have)- It would have also been banned on most John Denver venues as they are today. I...
Randy
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Jul 17, 2004
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I certainly agree with you. I don't remember Rocky Mountain High being banned on a lot of radio stations. Why was that? ... of...
aspengold98
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Jul 18, 2004
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It was indeed banned on a lot of stations,not all.It was in part why John testified at the Senate when they were considering putting warning labels on...
Randy
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Jul 18, 2004
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I don't know how old you guys are, but I remember when Simon and Garfunkel's "Cecilia" was banned...at least on our local radio station in Kentucky. Times...
whisperingjesse
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... Yes old enough to remember Simon and Garfunkel. It's really weird to think they would ban Cecilia. Yes times have changed a lot. Simon and Garfunkel were...
aspengold98
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Jul 25, 2004
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I am SOOOO glad I'm not the only one who remembers Cecilia :) Thank you for sharing the words to Sparrow. The lyrics are beautiful. I have never heard it....
whisperingjesse
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Jul 26, 2004
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... Wednesday Morning, 3 AM Paul Simon is truly a ... Neil ... We have the same taste in music. Neil Diamand is one of my favorites too. ...
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