I can post photos if needed.

It has a water key though.


Cody

--- In bugle@yahoogroups.com, Cody Jolliff <codyjolliff@...> wrote:
>
> I have an 1892 Boy Scout bugle a lady gave me at a program last week.
>  
> The stamp on it reads..
> 1st line "IMPROVED"
> 2nd line "U.S. REGULATION"
> 3rd line "MADE IN U.S.A."
>  
> Anyone have any information on it? or age? I know we have a couple of Boy
Scout bugle collectors on here.
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Cody
>

I always found Muskets far worse than Cannons on the ears. And I was in the
Artillery. Hand over nearside ear and open mouth was our policy.

Rich Sweeney

------ Original Message ------
Received: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:38:03 AM EST
From: "Joanna and Scott Grimshaw" <sjgrimshaw96@...>
To: <bugle@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [bugle] Ear Protection and Bugling

Ear protection is definitely needed when if you are in line firing a musket.
But since buglers stand behind the lines near the commanders, it's not
necessary, except for covering your near ear when cannon fire as already
mentioned.

In fact, protection would be a hindrance to hearing the calls of buglers up
the chain of command or of opponents.  Often these calls are faint and you
need your full hearing to catch them.

My thoughts.

Joanna Grimshaw


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Jan Huber
   To: Civil War Bugle
   Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:37 PM
   Subject: [bugle] Ear Protection and Bugling




   For the first time I used a bugle during a Civil War reenactment battle
today.  For sounding calls in camp, of course, I did not use any ear
protection.  However, for sounding skirmish calls during the battle, I was
wearing my custom moulded ear plugs.  It was hard to discern that I was
playing okay because the bugle sounded very odd and garbled.  I think I could
get by without ear protection for the musket fire; but, I sure need it for the
cannon.  What do you people do?

   Jan

   Jan D. Huber
   19140 N. Moondance Ln.
   Surprise, AZ 85387
   (623)975-4805

Hi Jan. I'm glad to see that you've stuck with the bugle and are making
progress.

Earplugs of not, my playing always sounds "very odd and garbled". At 45 years d
I'm not that concerned about hearing loss since I figure it's inevitable anyway.
I do what the other guys have already mentioned. Only problem is that sometimes
you'll get caught off guard and don't have your hand in position.

Randy McDonald

----- Original Message -----

From: Jan Huber

To: Civil War Bugle

Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 10:37 PM

Subject: [bugle] Ear Protection and Bugling

 

For the first time I used a bugle during a Civil War reenactment battle today.  For sounding calls in camp, of course, I did not use any ear protection.  However, for sounding skirmish calls during the battle, I was wearing my custom moulded ear plugs.  It was hard to discern that I was playing okay because the bugle sounded very odd and garbled.  I think I could get by without ear protection for the musket fire; but, I sure need it for the cannon.  What do you people do?

 

Jan
 

Jan D. Huber
19140 N. Moondance Ln.
Surprise, AZ 85387
(623)975-4805

This is super.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/vif2.pilot.trumpet/index.html
<http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/vif2.pilot.trumpet/index.html

Bob Goodman and Jari Villanueva quoted on the subject of bugling as part
of military funeral honors in the November 2009 issue of "The
Pennsylvania Veteran."

Pennsylvania Department of Military and Veterans affairs
www.paveterans.state.us

The Pennsylvania Veteran - November 2009 - Pages 8-9

Bugle Calls: An Important Military Honor
By Christopher Nelson

Bugle calls are almost synonymous with the military. Throughout history,
there are stories of bugle calls that signaled troops to get up, to
assemble, to move forward into battle, and when to end the official duty
day. The most famous of all these calls is Taps, the one most associated
with military funerals.

In recent years, there has been an increase in the number of military
funerals, from the passing of WWII veterans to the burial of fallen
heroes from Iraq and Afghanistan. Unfortunately, there is a shortage of
people to sound the bugle at these solemn occasions. When a bugler is
not available, recorded music can be substituted, according to the law.
The authenticity is lost, since the sound comes out of a speaker. This
was the only option until a new device called the Digital Bugle was
developed to overcome this problem.

The Digital Bugle looks like a bugle, but you do not have to know how to
play the bugle to operate it. It has a pre-programmed set of bugle calls
and the operator only has to press a button and hold the device to his
or her lips and it creates the illusion of the operator playing the
instrument. Although the device is virtually indistinguishable from a
real bugle, those who play bugles disagree with this practice.

"The use of the term 'virtually indistinguishable' in regard to the
sounding of Taps somehow suggests that if one can get away with
deceiving the listener into believing that the music is live, it somehow
makes it all right," comments Bob Goodman, a bugler in the Harrisburg
area and moderator of the on line Bugle Discussion Group on Yahoo
Groups. The practice, in this respect, can be compared to a pop group
who mouths the words to pre-recorded music playing or "lip-synching," as
its referred to, the songs in their live performances.

"I understand that the West Point [Military Academy] Code of Honor
simply states 'A cadet will not lie, cheat, or steal, or tolerate those
who do.' Can we look families in the face and truly say, after a digital
performance, that this is the best that we could do for them at their
time of grief?" Goodman asks.

However, there is a growing shortage of buglers, since the Boy Scouts of
America and the American Legion discontinued their Drum & Bugle Corps.

"It's a dying Art," remarks Jari Villanueva, noted music historian and
author of the pamphlet "Twenty-Four Notes That Tap Deep Emotions: The
Story of America's Most Famous Bugle Call"

Villanueva learned to sound bugle calls as a Boy Scout and later served
in the U.S. Air Force as a trumpeter, ultimately writing Air Force
Manual 35-106, Ceremonial Music, which covers the art and etiquette of
bugle calls. He attributes his interest to his time as a Boy Scout and
that the discontinuation of such programs has led to a decrease in the
interest of sounding bugle calls.

This decrease of available buglers and the ability to bugle without
actually playing an instrument has not actually led to the demise of
bugling in general. Villanueva cites the problem as a lack of
coordination
among funeral directors, veterans groups, and individual buglers willing
to volunteer for funerals. In addition, buglers in Pennsylvania are not
funded and must pay out of pocket for travel costs. Another contributing
factor is that those who are comfortable with using a digital bugle
often turn down volunteers who would render these honors with a live
performance.

The role of the bugle has changed over the years, although it is
primarily associated with the military, the bugle really started off in
ancient times used more as a signaling device. In fact, bugles were used
on
cruise ships, in prisons, and associated with the post office in Europe.
One early use of bugles was to sound the arrival of a carriage into town
signaling others of its presence. This is also why, on modern
automobiles, there is a horn symbol on the steering wheel.

"If you look closely at your steering wheel, you'll find that it is
actually a bugle. That symbol recalls this early use of the bugle,"
Villanueva notes.

Since there is no longer a need to signal troops by means of a bugle,
many of the calls have long since been discontinued. The ones that
remain are ceremonial in nature.

There have been efforts to spark renewed interest in bugling. Bugles
Across America is an organization that seeks to preserve this tradition.
The organization was founded in 2000 by Tom Day, to recognize the
service these veterans provided their country. He felt that every
veteran deserved a live rendition of Taps played by a live Bugler. To
this end, the organization is actively seeking volunteers to provide
this service.

Bugles Across America boasts over 5000 volunteer buglers and even has a
bugler locator service on their web site. Funeral directors can locate a
bugler online by visiting www.buglesacrossamerica.org.

The Pennsylvania House of Representatives has taken action by
encouraging students to take up bugle calls. Their resolution calls on
the state's Secretary of Education to provide training to students in
the playing of Taps.

For some, the only true way to render these honors is to have a bugler
play Taps live. For Bob Goodman, the question is simple.

"If we truly are out to honor our veterans at the time of their final
journey, should we not be doing it in a proper professional manner?"


CHRISTOPHER L. NELSON
MARKETING AND VETERANS INFORMATION
DEPARTMENT OF MILITARY & VETERANS AFFAIRS
COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA
cnelson@...

Jan:

Why not just wrap some electrician's tape around the shank of your
mouthpiece until you achieve a snug fit with the mouthpipe of the Amati
ABG 221?

I personally use a baroque mouthpiece on mine, made for my 18th century
English reproduction trumpet by Scott Laskey when he worked at Schilke
as their chief mouthpiece technician (He now has his own mouthpiece
firm).  Other manufacturers are Naumann (who now owns Schilke) and Egger
(Basel, Switzerland).  They are available from trumpeter Barry Bauguess
in New Bern, SC at his website:

http://www.baroquetrumpet.com/trumpetmouthpiece.htm

Unfortunately, they are quite expensive.  I'm talking $95-$155.  But the
shank on the baroque mouthpieces fit the Amati perfectly.

Theoretically, a mouthpiece from a British duty bugle would also work,
as they are of the same diameter.

Jari, you and I purchased our Amatis together.  Does a fluegelhorn
mouthpiece work with it?

Bob Goodman

-----Original Message-----
From: bugle@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bugle@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jan Huber
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:35
To: bugle@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bugle] Artillery Bugle in F

RJ,

How much money do I send to get a red cord?  My 3C trumpet mouthpiece is
longer than it needs to be and needs to be just a little tad bigger in
diameter.

Jan


Jan D. Huber
19140 N. Moondance Ln.
Surprise, AZ 85387
(623)975-4805


________________________________

From: R J Samp <rjsamp@...>
To: "bugle@yahoogroups.com" <bugle@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 6:21:03 AM
Subject: Re: [bugle] Artillery Bugle in F



I have red cords...

Is the length of the mouthpiece the issue?

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 11, 2009, at 11:35 PM, Jan Huber <janhuber1933@ yahoo.com
<mailto:janhuber1933@...> > wrote:







	 RJ,

	 I finally got around to getting the Amati ABG 221 bugle in F.  I
am happy with it.  It has a good tone; sounds somewhat like a French
Horn.  I need to get a better mouthpiece for it.  The mouthpiece that
came with it is decent; but, my 3 C trumpet mouthpiece makes it easier
to play and sounds better.  But, it does not quite fit like it should.
I am wondering how a flugelhorn mouthpiece might work.  I am saying that
when I don't even know if a flugelhorn mouthpiece is different from a
trumpet mouthpiece.  Does this bugle look at all like a Civil War
artillery bugle?  If so, I guess I should get a red cord for it.

	 Jan

	 Jan D. Huber
	 19140 N. Moondance Ln.
	 Surprise, AZ 85387
	 (623)975-4805



________________________________

	 From: "rjsamp@comcast. net" <rjsamp@comcast. net>
	 To: bugle@yahoogroups. com; Civil War Bugle <bugle@yahoogroups.
com>
	 Cc: Jan Huber <janhuber1933@... <http://yahoo.com/> >
	 Sent: Thu, July 24, 2008 2:05:27 PM
	 Subject: Re: [bugle] Artillery Bugle in F





	 Amati has one that sounds GREAT and doesn't look all that bad.
DeLacquer it. The coils should tuck into the bell better, that's my main
objection to its 'look'.  Also if the receiver were on the LEFT side of
the bell looking out it would be even more better (now that's some
writing!).


	 --
	 RJ Samp
	 630 561 3249
	 484 Hevern Dr Wheaton IL 60187
	 <http://www.rjsamp.com/> www.rjsamp.com <http://www.rjsamp.com/>

	 <http://ftp.rjsamp.com/> ftp.rjsamp.com <http://ftp.rjsamp.com/>



		 ------------ -- Original message ------------ --
		 From: Jan Huber <janhuber1933@ <http://yahoo.com/>
yahoo.com <http://yahoo.com/> >





		 Not too many days ago someone mentioned their Artillery
Bugle pitched in the key of F.  I deleted the message before some
questions came up in my mind.  Would you please tell me about such a
bugle?  Are they still to be found?  Thank you.

		 Jan D. Huber
		 19140 N. Moondance Ln.
		 Surprise, AZ 85387
		 (623)975-4805

 

RJ,

 

I finally got around to getting the Amati ABG 221 bugle in F.  I am happy with it.  It has a good tone; sounds somewhat like a French Horn.  I need to get a better mouthpiece for it.  The mouthpiece that came with it is decent; but, my 3 C trumpet mouthpiece makes it easier to play and sounds better.  But, it does not quite fit like it should.  I am wondering how a flugelhorn mouthpiece might work.  I am saying that when I don't even know if a flugelhorn mouthpiece is different from a trumpet mouthpiece.  Does this bugle look at all like a Civil War artillery bugle?  If so, I guess I should get a red cord for it. 

 

Jan
 

Jan D. Huber
19140 N. Moondance Ln.
Surprise, AZ 85387
(623)975-4805

---

From: "rjsamp@comcast.net" <rjsamp@comcast.net>
To: bugle@yahoogroups.com; Civil War Bugle <bugle@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Jan Huber <janhuber1933@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, July 24, 2008 2:05:27 PM
Subject: Re: [bugle] Artillery Bugle in F

Amati has one that sounds GREAT and doesn't look all that bad. DeLacquer it. The coils should tuck into the bell better, that's my main objection to its 'look'.  Also if the receiver were on the LEFT side of the bell looking out it would be even more better (now that's some writing!).

 

 

--
RJ Samp
630 561 3249
484 Hevern Dr Wheaton IL 60187
www.rjsamp.com
ftp.rjsamp.com

 

------------ -- Original message ------------ --
From: Jan Huber <janhuber1933@ yahoo.com>

 

Not too many days ago someone mentioned their Artillery Bugle pitched in the key of F.  I deleted the message before some questions came up in my mind.  Would you please tell me about such a bugle?  Are they still to be found?  Thank you. 
 

Jan D. Huber
19140 N. Moondance Ln.
Surprise, AZ 85387
(623)975-4805

 

----- Original Message -----

From: RJ Samp

To: 'Edward Skube' ; bugle@yahoogroups.com ; rjsampsr@... ; ksamp@... ; diannesamp@...

Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 11:59 AM

Subject: [bugle] Our National Anthem

 

AWESOME! The jets in missing man formation are the icing on the cake.  Great arrangement, tight harmonies, love the soprano voices coming in on the high range of the octave and a half range melody, and the herald trumpets were stupendous.

I’m still crying….

RJ Samp

Wheaton, IL

---

From: Edward Skube [mailto:bojon1@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:54 AM
To: Edward Skube
Subject: Our National Anthem

TURN UP THE VOLUME AND LISTEN!

 

Click on the words below.  Watch the reaction of the fans and the players.  And this my friends is the way it should be sung.........

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Click on the words=20 below.  Watch the reaction of the fans and the = players. =20 And this my friends is=20 the way it should be=20 sung.........

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Today's USA TODAY has an article titled "Buglers for Military Funerals are in
Short Supply" at
http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2009-11-11-buglers_N.htm
The article is fine, but check out the photo at the top captioned "An Army
bugler plays taps during military burial services in Cherry Hill, N.J." and look
at what is inside the bell of the bugle.

Bruce McCrea

http://www.amazon.com/Veterans-Day-Honor/dp/B002QC4EL6/

   1. To The Colors     US Navy Band    0:38

   2. Star Spangled Banner (The National Anthem) US Coast Guard Band
1:29

   3. Man Behind the Gun US Marine Band  2:18

   4. American Pageant (America, Yankee Doodle, Battle Hymn of the Republic,
Dixie, America the Beautiful, Columbia the Gem of the Ocean)
US Air Force Band of Flight  7:10

   5. Garry Owen  US Army Strings  2:21

   6. When Johnny Comes Marching Home  US Air Force Airmen Of Note 2:59

   7. Here's to America  US Army Band  2:56

   8. Eternal Father, Strong to Save (The U.S. Navy Hymn) US Navy and Sea
Chanters Chorus  1:56

   9. Lord, Guard and Guide (The U.S. Air Force Hymn) US Air Force Band & Singing
Sergeants   2:41

10. Holding the Flag for America US Air Force Band, Steve Ward  3:53

11. Retreat  US Marine Band  0:26

12. Taps (with Orchestration) US Marine Band   1:21

Bruce McCrea