In days of old..... European Cavalry Trumpeters were in Eb. European Infantry Buglers (and Clairons) were in Bb. Some one (?) US to move's this up a 1/2...
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robert_m_goodman@...
Feb 1, 2001 4:10 pm
RJ Samp: You might also want to point out that there is a Pattern 1894 b-flat bugle, which was issued by the Army, that is frequently referred to as an...
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Poe, John
john.poe@...
Feb 1, 2001 4:26 pm
You mean the "trench" bugle? Essayons, John D. Poe, Jr. ... From: robert_m_goodman@... [mailto:robert_m_goodman@...] Sent: Thursday,...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 1, 2001 4:55 pm
Exactly. US 1894 Pattern Field Bugle in Bb "Trench Bugle" three loops 8 gauge wire bugle cord loop holders Key of Bb, no crooks, no adjustable receiver made of...
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robert_m_goodman@...
Feb 1, 2001 7:19 pm
RJ: I have seen the Pattern 1894 bugle, and, to the best of my knowledge, it has a cylindrical bore. Please take another look at yours. Bob ... three loops 8...
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Mike Badley
mbadley@...
Feb 1, 2001 11:14 pm
GlacierI was just in a music store a few days ago and came across a Mel Bay publication - "Fun with a Bugle" or some such. Nice information on technique -...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 2, 2001 2:05 am
Then it would be a trumpet, not a bugle. I don't own one, nor do I plan to...... Here's a quick tip on cylindrical versus conical bore...play an Arpeggio on it...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 2, 2001 2:19 am
GlacierHe's a great guy, a fantastic trumpet player/teacher/jazz clinician, and an excellent bugler. We're talking about George Rabbai, of course. Brigade...
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Mike Badley
mbadley@...
Feb 2, 2001 7:45 am
GlacierI have no doubt he's a great player - and that he may be a good teacher, however - I am entitled to state that a very basic technique book like that...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 2, 2001 2:18 pm
GlacierBRAVO MIKE! And my apologies for coming down hard on you. George obviously is a personal friend of mine....and you are right, even the Safronek book...
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robert_m_goodman@...
Feb 2, 2001 10:20 pm
RJ: Here is a picture of a J.W. York & Sons Pattern 1894 b-flat bugle made in Philadelphia in 1917 (Hmmm...so was my father!) that was up for auction on eBay ...
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Mike Badley
mbadley@...
Feb 3, 2001 12:24 am
Glacier Why they didn't publish the VAAS quick steps, or Canty's 50 pop bugle tunes from the Philippines is beyond me....and I still like the JIGG from the...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 3, 2001 3:57 am
They would have to have 8' of tubing to be a trumpet..... Eb is 6' 6", C is 7' 7"..... I've never played one..... Why would the US 1892 Pattern Field Trumpet...
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Mike Badley
mbadley@...
Feb 3, 2001 9:41 am
How does an arpeggio distinguish conical vs. tubular? (Inquiring minds want to know) I've never played one.....again, simply playing the arpeggio will confirm...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 3, 2001 1:54 pm
Trumpet, and trumpet scale is lower in pitch than a bugle. I has to do with the wave formation in the tubing. In a conically bored brass instrument, the waves...
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Powelltpt@...
Feb 4, 2001 4:49 am
I'm going to chime in on this one. The 1918 manual by Safranek which plagiarizes Sousa's to the hilt shows this horn as standard and calls it a bugle but does...
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robert_m_goodman@...
Feb 5, 2001 7:18 pm
RJ: Two points to make. First of all, Jack T Carter has confirmed my point that the M1894 bugle is cylindrical, as I stated earlier. Second, go back and reread...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 6, 2001 2:47 pm
I don't have either book .... but thanks for pointing out the fine details on the M1894. A Mouthpiece is a trumpet, however, and doesn't appear to fit either...
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Poe, John
john.poe@...
Feb 6, 2001 2:51 pm
RJ, I think that if you looked at a longitudinal section of a mouthpiece, you'd find it is really a bugle, except for the lack of a flare at the outlet. ...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 6, 2001 3:06 pm
I love it..... My Acoustics book is in the posession of a percussionist (actually we call him a drummer behind his back...) I think it's by BENADE? Anyway, he...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 6, 2001 3:09 pm
hey, I have a couple of clairons that I can drop the octave on and hit the fundamental note. Need to use a big mouthpiece to do this, and drop the jaw. Almost...
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Poe, John
john.poe@...
Feb 6, 2001 3:12 pm
So then, the conical bore of most of the length of a mouthpiece is actually the bell of a trumpet? Veeeeeerrrrry interesting. Essayons, John D. Poe, Jr. ... ...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 6, 2001 3:28 pm
Something like that. You lips send vortexes of waves through the aperture, where they are accelerated (the VENTURI PRINCIPLE). Then they hit the harsh (as...
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robert_m_goodman@...
Feb 6, 2001 4:13 pm
RJ Samp wrote: [snip] ... [snip] You are quite correct. During the early Renaissance, approximately 1425, the trombone evolved out of what was actually a...
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Jon Aus
jonAus@...
Feb 10, 2001 1:52 pm
Dear fellow buglers There is a lot fragmented knowledge on buglers and bugling practice during the ACW. For my own education, I would like the answers to a few...
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Jon Aus
jonAus@...
Feb 10, 2001 3:21 pm
Dear fellow buglers There is a lot fragmented knowledge on buglers and bugling practice during the ACW around. For my own education, I would like the answers...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 11, 2001 1:06 am
Question #1: How many buglers were required for a fully "populated" infantry corps? [RJ Samp] Too vague a question.....too many differences in the number of...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 11, 2001 1:12 am
Question #4: Who do the buglers report to? [RJ Samp] Their CO, Then Their Adjutant, Then their Principal Musician, Then their Company Commander. Early war they...
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David M Fulcher
dfulcher5@...
Feb 11, 2001 9:51 pm
RJ; You always keep me wondering, maybe I just spent to much time with the Sharpshooters, but are you saying that none of the buglers would have had to carry...
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RJ Samp
rjsamp@...
Feb 12, 2001 2:18 am
Sharpshooters are a strange breed. I'm sure that THEIR buglers carried all of their belongings, in addition to their double triggered rifles. Again, ...
