I have posted a follow-up to my blog, ¨A Universe Symphony Plea¨ on my
blog site. www.berestbeating.com

If you do not view it until May 1, it can be viewed by clicking the
link on the left entitled, ¨The Unrebuttal.¨

Thank you.

Johnny,

I still haven't gotten around to buying your Universe Symphony yet.
Went to the Stereo Society site, and saw that it is available via
iTunes (half as expensive as the CD including shipping to France).

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?
id=73744566&s=143441

However, the track names are incorrect (more correctly, they are both
incorrect and out of order). You should see if you can get this fixed.

Best,


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Many, many thanks again, Patrick - what a treat to hear this (and the sound
quality is fine) - Tony
   ----- Original Message -----
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   Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 7:33 PM
   Subject: [charlesives] Charles Ives by David Robertson


   Hello

   >From my archives of live recordings i have found this very interesting
   concert of the Ensemble Intercontemporain conducted by david
   Robertson. The program is :
   Charles Ives- The Unanswered Question
   George Ives- Marching Interlude (as reconstructed by David Robertson)
   Karl Ruggles- Angels, Vox clamans in deserto.
   Charles Ives- Three Places in New England

   November 15,1997 Ensemble Intercontemporain, dir. David Robertson,
   Marie Plette, soprano.
   I have remastered from an old cassette tape, the sound is not perfect.

   the mp3 file

   http://rapidshare.de/files/19288122/ives_robertson_.mp3.html

   Patrick





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We are in your debt, Patrick. Merci!!

-Gene

Hi Kirk,

This is info for The Stereo Society, which I am sending along.  The CD is
correct, so iTunes must have inverted them, somehow.  Hopefully, this will be
fixed. Thank you for pointing this out.

Johnny

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To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 1 May 2006 11:34:37 +0200
Subject: [charlesives] Message to Johnny Reinhard


Johnny,

I still haven't gotten around to buying your Universe Symphony yet.
Went to the Stereo Society site, and saw that it is available via
iTunes (half as expensive as the CD including shipping to France).

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?
id=73744566&s=143441

However, the track names are incorrect (more correctly, they are both
incorrect and out of order). You should see if you can get this fixed.

Best,


Kirk
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Please add me to the sea of thanks!  (I finally got a listen!)

As for George, I'd give most anything to experience his Coney Island piece.

Johnny

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Subject: Re: [charlesives] Charles Ives by David Robertson


We are in your debt, Patrick. Merci!!

-Gene



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> I still haven't gotten around to buying your Universe Symphony yet.
> Went to the Stereo Society site, and saw that it is available via
> iTunes (half as expensive as the CD including shipping to France).


Please remember that iTunes downloads are the equivalent of 128Kbps
which isn't really a good encoding for classical material.  Even
Apple's own iPod is capable of playing much higher quality material
than is available on iTunes.  With international postage, this is not
an expensive CD.


Christian Tucker
New York

On May 2, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Christian Tucker wrote:

>> I still haven't gotten around to buying your Universe Symphony yet.
>> Went to the Stereo Society site, and saw that it is available via
>> iTunes (half as expensive as the CD including shipping to France).
>
>
> Please remember that iTunes downloads are the equivalent of 128Kbps
> which isn't really a good encoding for classical material.  Even
> Apple's own iPod is capable of playing much higher quality material
> than is available on iTunes.  With international postage, this is not
> an expensive CD.

Well, it's $20, compared to $10 on iTunes...

As for "not being good encoding", can you tell me why you think this
is the case? Have you compared CDs and AAC files to see if there's a
noticeable difference?


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I'm as poor as the next person but the cost of the Universe CD, with
postage to the moon even, is minimal for what you get -- I'm feeling
I should send in $20 a month just for the hell of it -- but that's me....

ms



At 02:58 AM 5/2/06, you wrote:

>On May 2, 2006, at 4:40 AM, Christian Tucker wrote:
>
> >> I still haven't gotten around to buying your Universe Symphony yet.
> >> Went to the Stereo Society site, and saw that it is available via
> >> iTunes (half as expensive as the CD including shipping to France).
> >
> >
> > Please remember that iTunes downloads are the equivalent of 128Kbps
> > which isn't really a good encoding for classical material.  Even
> > Apple's own iPod is capable of playing much higher quality material
> > than is available on iTunes.  With international postage, this is not
> > an expensive CD.
>
>Well, it's $20, compared to $10 on iTunes...
>
>As for "not being good encoding", can you tell me why you think this
>is the case? Have you compared CDs and AAC files to see if there's a
>noticeable difference?
>
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> is the case? Have you compared CDs and AAC files to see if there's a
> noticeable difference?


Of course I have.
Your ears and needs may differ.


Christian Tucker
New York

On May 2, 2006, at 1:22 PM, Christian Tucker wrote:

>> is the case? Have you compared CDs and AAC files to see if there's a
>> noticeable difference?
>
>
> Of course I have.
> Your ears and needs may differ.

Perhaps. And have you heard a difference? In what kind of music
precisely? (I'm asking because I've tested, and had others test, and
only in rare occasions can I really hear the difference, and that on
very good speakers...)


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> Perhaps. And have you heard a difference? In what kind of music
> precisely? (I'm asking because I've tested, and had others test,
and
> only in rare occasions can I really hear the difference, and that
on
> very good speakers...)

Well, I have very good speakers.  And use very good 'phones with my
DAP.  Certainly not "audiophile" stuff - not that wealthy or picky.
AND, I happily use iTunes for all/most my rock and roll needs.

I code at 196Kbps VBR Which is my "sweet" spot.  I have tried FLAC
but can't tell difference.  In the case of 128 versus 196 I hear the
difference in the middle.  Specifically brass.  I don't have
audiophile language, so I'd call 128 "muddy."  But with 196 I can
hear
the brass "ring."  I have no HD space issues on either my computer
nor my DAP so don't have to make audio compromises based on space.

I had time over Christmas to play with a bunch of sound card, ripping
and player settings which had gotten stale.  I used
Bernstein's "Mass" by Kent Nagano as my test bed.  "Things Get
Broken" to the end.  That CD recording suffers from poor microphone
placement which was the reason I chose it.  (To my ears with my
stuff) the higher bit-rate cleaned piano/mallet instruments,
tenor/violas, boy soloist/choir sopranos.

As I ended my previous post, "your ears and needs may differ."  Never
the less, starting with the highest possible quality recording lets
you make the choice of what final bit-rate works for you.  iTunes
makes that compromise up front for downloads.  Purchasing
the "Universe" CD is a better starting point.  Unless you can con
Reinhard out of his digital masters!

On May 2, 2006, at 2:03 PM, Christian Tucker wrote:

>> Perhaps. And have you heard a difference? In what kind of music
>> precisely? (I'm asking because I've tested, and had others test,
> and
>> only in rare occasions can I really hear the difference, and that
> on
>> very good speakers...)
>
> Well, I have very good speakers.  And use very good 'phones with my
> DAP.  Certainly not "audiophile" stuff - not that wealthy or picky.
> AND, I happily use iTunes for all/most my rock and roll needs.

I have good speakers (Eclipse Lulét), and good phones (Sennheiser
HD580).
>
> I code at 196Kbps VBR Which is my "sweet" spot.
> I have tried FLAC
> but can't tell difference.  In the case of 128 versus 196 I hear the
> difference in the middle.  Specifically brass.  I don't have
> audiophile language, so I'd call 128 "muddy."  But with 196 I can
> hear
> the brass "ring."  I have no HD space issues on either my computer
> nor my DAP so don't have to make audio compromises based on space.


Are you using MP3 or AAC? If you're using MP3, I'd agree - 128 kbps
MP3s don't sound good. However, AAC files at that bit rate sound as
good as 192 k MP3s, and AAC is VBR...

>
> I had time over Christmas to play with a bunch of sound card, ripping
> and player settings which had gotten stale.  I used
> Bernstein's "Mass" by Kent Nagano as my test bed.  "Things Get
> Broken" to the end.  That CD recording suffers from poor microphone
> placement which was the reason I chose it.  (To my ears with my
> stuff) the higher bit-rate cleaned piano/mallet instruments,
> tenor/violas, boy soloist/choir sopranos.

I think the best examples are solo piano, choirs, or viol consorts.
You can really hear artifacts on badly encoded files, though if the
CD is badly produced, that can also contribute.
>
> As I ended my previous post, "your ears and needs may differ."  Never
> the less, starting with the highest possible quality recording lets
> you make the choice of what final bit-rate works for you.  iTunes
> makes that compromise up front for downloads.  Purchasing
> the "Universe" CD is a better starting point.  Unless you can con
> Reinhard out of his digital masters!

My point is simply that for half the price (and no pollution), $10 is
a good deal. I merely wanted to go further with the issue of AAC
quality, which, most people do not realize, is much better than MP3.

I've tested from AIFF to low-bit-rate files, and find that, for my
use, 160 k AAC is the best compromise between quality and sound. Of
the 128 k AAC files I've bought from iTunes, I've never heard
anything that sounds sub-standard.

Best,


Kirk

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> I have good speakers (Eclipse Lulét), and good phones (Sennheiser
> HD580).


altec lansing ada890 and audio-technica ATH-EC7

> Are you using MP3 or AAC?


OGG Vorbis

> My point is simply that for half the price (and no pollution), $10
is
> a good deal.


I was mixing "politics" with hearing.  Although, I'd guess that
Stereo Society makes about the same $$ off a download as they do off
a fully packaged presentation.  Never the less, my concern with
hearing all of the "sonics" of the percussion in the first prelude
makes me want to encode with a higher bit-rate than iTunes download
delivers.


Christian Tucker
New York

Amazingly enough, the Universe Symphony we released was recorded straight to
disc.  There are no masters, unless you mean the glass master.  It took me a
while to recognize that, years back now.

Johnny Reinhard

-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Tucker <ctucker1@...>
To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:03:17 -0000
Subject: [charlesives] Re: iTunes Universe


> Perhaps. And have you heard a difference? In what kind of music
> precisely? (I'm asking because I've tested, and had others test,
and
> only in rare occasions can I really hear the difference, and that
on
> very good speakers...)

Well, I have very good speakers.  And use very good 'phones with my
DAP.  Certainly not "audiophile" stuff - not that wealthy or picky.
AND, I happily use iTunes for all/most my rock and roll needs.

I code at 196Kbps VBR Which is my "sweet" spot.  I have tried FLAC
but can't tell difference.  In the case of 128 versus 196 I hear the
difference in the middle.  Specifically brass.  I don't have
audiophile language, so I'd call 128 "muddy."  But with 196 I can
hear
the brass "ring."  I have no HD space issues on either my computer
nor my DAP so don't have to make audio compromises based on space.

I had time over Christmas to play with a bunch of sound card, ripping
and player settings which had gotten stale.  I used
Bernstein's "Mass" by Kent Nagano as my test bed.  "Things Get
Broken" to the end.  That CD recording suffers from poor microphone
placement which was the reason I chose it.  (To my ears with my
stuff) the higher bit-rate cleaned piano/mallet instruments,
tenor/violas, boy soloist/choir sopranos.

As I ended my previous post, "your ears and needs may differ."  Never
the less, starting with the highest possible quality recording lets
you make the choice of what final bit-rate works for you.  iTunes
makes that compromise up front for downloads.  Purchasing
the "Universe" CD is a better starting point.  Unless you can con
Reinhard out of his digital masters!






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On May 2, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Afmmjr@... wrote:

> Amazingly enough, the Universe Symphony we released was recorded
> straight to disc.  There are no masters, unless you mean the glass
> master.  It took me a while to recognize that, years back now.

Straight to disc? You mean to LP or CD? I didn't think they did that...

So that means there is _no_ post-production at all?


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Yep, straight to disc.  We had different issues in post-production, mainly
balances. Johnny

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Sent: Tue, 2 May 2006 15:33:58 +0200
Subject: Re: [charlesives] Re: iTunes Universe



On May 2, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Afmmjr@... wrote:

> Amazingly enough, the Universe Symphony we released was recorded
> straight to disc.  There are no masters, unless you mean the glass
> master.  It took me a while to recognize that, years back now.

Straight to disc? You mean to LP or CD? I didn't think they did that...

So that means there is _no_ post-production at all?


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From: "Michael Shaffer" <music@...>
To: <charlesives@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [charlesives] iTunes Universe


>
> I'm as poor as the next person but the cost of the Universe CD, with
> postage to the moon even, is minimal for what you get -- I'm feeling
> I should send in $20 a month just for the hell of it -- but that's me....
>
> ms

The packaging is also worth at *least* an extra $10. This whole CD is an
Ives fan dream come true. $20 is not too much.

Frankie

For my part, it's impossible to encode sound files to AAC under mac os
9, i can do with ogg vorbis but i have not tried .
Patrick


> Are you using MP3 or AAC? If you're using MP3, I'd agree - 128 kbps
> MP3s don't sound good. However, AAC files at that bit rate sound as
> good as 192 k MP3s, and AAC is VBR...
>
> a good deal. I merely wanted to go further with the issue of AAC
> quality, which, most people do not realize, is much better than MP3.
>
> I've tested from AIFF to low-bit-rate files, and find that, for my
> use, 160 k AAC is the best compromise between quality and sound. Of
> the 128 k AAC files I've bought from iTunes, I've never heard
> anything that sounds sub-standard.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Kirk
>
>                        Author of: iPod & iTunes Garage
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>

On May 3, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Patrick Petit wrote:

> For my part, it's impossible to encode sound files to AAC under mac os
> 9, i can do with ogg vorbis but i have not tried .

iTunes doesn't do AAC under OS 9?


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I'm doing a short project on Ives's Concord Sonata for my MA and I
really need to see Ives's own manuscripts or facsimiles, copies or
microfilms of them. I understand that all the above are stored in an
Ives room in Yale School of Music library, but I can't be the first
student who has wanted to see the MSS without being able to travel to
ale to look for myself can I?

Does anyone know if these manuscripts are available any other way
(preferably on-line)? Has anyone else tried to look at them for any
reason?Please help!!

Andrew Lawrence

Hello Andrew,

I had to make the trip to the Yale Ives Room to do some research.  Even when I
could get shrunken copies of the original sketches I was looking for, and it was
not for the Concord, they were hard to read.  Heck, even the originals in pencil
are hard to read.  I don't believe they are on line.

What are you looking for in the sketches that you cannot find in the published
score?

Johnny

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To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 4 May 2006 14:57:31 -0000
Subject: [charlesives] MSS of Concord


I'm doing a short project on Ives's Concord Sonata for my MA and I
really need to see Ives's own manuscripts or facsimiles, copies or
microfilms of them. I understand that all the above are stored in an
Ives room in Yale School of Music library, but I can't be the first
student who has wanted to see the MSS without being able to travel to
ale to look for myself can I?

Does anyone know if these manuscripts are available any other way
(preferably on-line)? Has anyone else tried to look at them for any
reason?Please help!!

Andrew Lawrence







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Yes kirk, i dont find any AAC codec for os9 ,maybe Itunes can encode
under classic ? But it seems impossible to convert sound file in AAC
under the old os 9.2.2. (it's the same case with Quicktime 6.03,
Audion or Spindoctor)

Patrick

--- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, Kirk McElhearn <kirklists@...> wrote:
>
>
> On May 3, 2006, at 8:50 PM, Patrick Petit wrote:
>
> > For my part, it's impossible to encode sound files to AAC under mac os
> > 9, i can do with ogg vorbis but i have not tried .
>
> iTunes doesn't do AAC under OS 9?
>
>
> Kirk
>
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>

On May 4, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Patrick Petit wrote:

> Yes kirk, i dont find any AAC codec for os9 ,maybe Itunes can encode
> under classic ? But it seems impossible to convert sound file in AAC
> under the old os 9.2.2. (it's the same case with Quicktime 6.03,
> Audion or Spindoctor)

No, it's possible that my memory is too short, and that they didn't
use AAC back then...


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An Ives Newsletter - 6 May 2006





New World Records reissues "Ives Plays Ives"

New World Records has absorbed the important CRI catalogue and their first
re-release is CRI's "Ives Plays Ives," now available as New World Records
80642-2. The generous booklet information is slightly corrected in this new
packaging.



Naxos records more Ives

During the first week of June 2006, Naxos will be recording James Sinclair
leading the Malmo Symphony Orchestra (Sweden) in the three orchestral sets
of Ives. Orchestral Set No. 1 (Three Places in New England) will be in
Sinclair's edition of Version 1, the original large orchestra state of the
work. Orchestral Set No. 3 will have David G. Porter's edition of mvt. 1,
Porter's realization of mvt. 2, and Nors Josephson's realization of mvt. 3.



Bulgarian recitals of Ives songs
Nely Koycheva reports: "With the greatest of pleasure I inform you that on
16 March 2006 in the city of Plovdiv we presented the very first
concert-recital in Bulgaria with songs by Charles Ives. The performers were
Nely Koycheva, mezzo soprano (lecturer in classical singing at the Musical
academy and Musical school in Plodiv city) and Nadejda Kuzmanova, pianist
(lecturer in piano at the Musical Academy in Plovdiv city). Ives's music
made a strong impression with the public, consisting of musicians,
composers, and others. The concert will be repeated in Sofia city and other
cities in Bulgaria. Allow me to express my own enormous pleasure as a
performer of this kind of music. In my repertoire there are other American
composers, the music of Charles Ives has caused in me special sensations
like no other up till now."



An opera about Ives

The New York Times reports: "Since 1999 the New York City Opera has
[presented] an immensely helpful annual project called 'Vox: Showcasing
American Composers.' Concert performances of excerpts from works in
progress, or of completed operas that have yet to be produced, are presented
in free public tryouts, played by the City Opera orchestra, with singers
drawn mostly from the opera's roster. Vox is back, with excerpts of roughly
30 minutes each from 12 works, presented tomorrow [Saturday, May 6, 2006]
and Sunday afternoons at the Skirball Center for the Performing Arts at New
York University. Some of this weekend's offerings look enticing. "Harmony,"
by the dynamic Hartford-based composer Robert Carl, with a libretto by
Russell Banks, imagines romantic intrigue between Charles Ives and his wife,
Harmony, with her disapproving godfather, Mark Twain, causing no end of
trouble.

[In fact, as related in Cowell's biography of Ives, Twain was amusingly
approving of the relationship: "Not long before they were married Miss
Twichell took Ives to call on the Clemenses at their New York house on lower
Fifth Avenue. Mark Twain took it that the prospective bridegroom was being
submitted for his approval and said genially, looking him over: 'Well, the
fore seems to be all right; turn him around and let's see about the aft!'-a
remark that Ives still enjoys repeating." (p. 46)]





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Lucie Fenner dissertation published

A recent dissertation on Ives has been published: "Erinnerung und Entlehnung
im Werk von Charles Ives" - "Memory and Borrowing in the Music of Charles
Ives" (Verlag Hans Schneider: Tutzing 2005, Musikwissenschaftliche Schriften
der Hochschule füür Musik und Theater Müünchen, Bd. 3; ISBN 3-7952-1195-6).
In it, Fenner reports: "I discuss the connection between the compositional
techniques of borrowing/quotation/montage/collage and the cultural theory of
remembering in an individual and also collective way as it can be seen in
Ives's own writings. The analyzed compositions include "Calcium Light
Night," "Yale-Princeton Football Game," "TSIAJ," "Putnam's Camp," "From
Hanover Square North," and selected songs from 114 Songs (e.g. "Tom Sails
Away," "The Last Reader," "Disclosure," "Afterglow," "Old Home Day," "The
Things Our Fathers Loved")."



Ives, Charles - dissertations and theses (through 1995; alpha list by
author)*

Averill, Ron. The use of quotation in 20th-century works by Ron Averill,
Charles Dodge and Charles Ives. Thesis (D. Mus. Arts)--University of
Washington, 1995.

Babb, Timothy Martin. Text painting in the songs of Charles Ives. Thesis
(D.M.A.)--University of South Carolina, 1994.

Barnett, Christina Powers, 1952-. Charles Ives 114 songs and transcendental
philosophy. Thesis (D.M.A.)--University of Texas at Austin, 1986.

Bergman, Timothy. Symphony no. 2 by Charles Ives: a basis for
interpretation. Thesis (D.M.A.)--University of Miami, 1993.

Boyd, Linda M. Early twentieth-century art song: a recital program of
selected works of Griffes, Ives, Ravel and Schoenberg. Thesis (M.S.)--
Moorhead State University, 1988.

Brooks, William. "Billings, Ives and Cage." Thesis, U. of Ill., School of
Music, 1971.

Bruce-Clyne, Katherine. Analyses of ten songs by Charles Edward Ives. Thesis
(M.A.)--City College of New York, 1993. [Dept. of Music]

Bryant, Sister Emily Marie, S.P., "The Avant-Garde Character of Charles
Ives' Music Exemplified in Various Works," MA Thesis, Los Angeles: Mount St.
Mary's College.

Bukoff, Ronald Nick, 1955-. Charles Ives, a history and bibliography of
criticism (1920-1939) and Ives' influence (to 1947) on Bernard Herrmann,
Elie Siegmeister, and Robert Palmer. Thesis (Ph. D.)--Cornell University,
1988.

Carlson, Paul B. "An Historical Background and Stylistic Analysis of Three
Twentieth Century Compositions for Violin and Piano." DMA Diss., Kansas City
Mo.: University of Missouri, 1964.

Clark, Sondra Rae. "The Evolving Concord Sonata," Stanford Univ. PhD Thesis,
1972. Coleman, Donna. A source study of the fifth movement of Charles Ives's
first piano sonata: toward a critical edition. Thesis (D.M.A.)--University
of Rochester, 1986.

Cooney, Denise von Glahn. Reconciliation: time, space and the American place
in the music of Charles Ives. Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of Washington,
1995.

Crain, Timothy Mark. Rhythm and form in Ives's Scherzo (Over the pavements).
Thesis (M.M.)--University of Alabama, 1995.

Darby, Joseph Eugene. Charles Ives's second string quartet and the European
tradition. Thesis (M. Mus.)--University of Illinois at Urbana- Champaign,
1992.

Frantz, Donald H. "Search for Significant Form, 1905-1915: An Evaluation of
the Symbols of Tradition and Revolt in American Literature, Painting and
Music." Diss, Univ. Southern Calif., Dept. of Religion, 1960.

Gaudet, Michael Ronald, 1955-. A study of selected essays and songs of
Charles Ives as expressions of progressive idealism. Thesis (M.A.)--
University of Victoria, 1985.

Giebisch, Thomas, 1962-. Take-off als Kompositionsprinzip bei Charles Ives.
: Thesis (doctoral)--Universitat zu Koln, 1993.

Gilman, Janet Lynn. Charles Ives, master songwriter the methods behind his
madness. Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of Southern California, 1994.

Gingerich, Lora Louise. "Processes of Motivic Transformation in the Keyboard
and Chamber Music of Charles E. Ives." Diss. Yale Univ., 1983. Ann Arbor:
UMI.

Harvey, Mark Sumner. "Charles Ives: prophet of American civil religion."
PhD, Boston U., 1983; Ann Arbor: UMI, 1984.

Kearnes, William Kay. "Horatio Parker 1863-1919: A Study of His Life and
Music." Ph.D. Diss. U of Ill., 1965.

Kelly, Kevin O. (Kevin Oliver). The songs of Charles Ives and the cultural
contexts of death. Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of North Carolina at Chapel
Hill, 1988.

Lambert, Jay Philip. Compositional procedures in experimental works of
Charles E. Ives. Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of Rochester, 1987.

Layton, Bentley. "An Introduction to the 114 Songs of Charles Ives." unpubl.
senior thesis, (Harvard, 1963).

Maltz, Richard Steven. Microtonal techniques in Charles Ives's 'Three
quarter-tone pieces for two pianos,' Harry Patch's 'And the seventh day
petals fell in Petaluma', and Ben Johnston's 'Fourth string quartet'. Thesis
(Ph. D.)--University of South Carolina, 1991.

Mays, Kenneth Robert. "The Use of Hymn Tunes in the Works of Charles Ives."
Thesis, IU, 1961.

Meyers, Betty Dustin. "The Orchestral Music of Charles Ives." Thesis, IU,
1951.

Moore, Ralph J. Jr. "The Background and the Symbol: Charles E. Ives."
unpubl. senior essay, (Yale, 1954).

Muffitt, Timothy Wellington, 1961-. The first symphony of Charles Ives: a
historical and analytical survey. Thesis (M.A.)--Ohio State University,
1986.

Nehrenberg, Steven D. Three levels of quotation in the music of Charles
Ives. Thesis (M.A.)--University of Oregon, 1992.

O'Neel, Roger Lee. Pitch organization and text setting in the psalm settings
of Charles E. Ives. : Thesis (M.M. in Music Theory)--S.M.U., 1988.

Palmer, Kenneth Robert. A performer's guide to Charles Ives' piano sonata
no. 2 "Concord, Mass., 1840-1860" ; Quintet for piano and strings. Thesis
(Ph. D.)--Washington University, 1986.

Perry, Rosalie Sandra. "Charles Ives and American Culture." Diss, UT Austin,
Dept of History (American Civilization), 1971.

Randall, Todd J. Charles Ives and his champions. State University of New
York College, Geneseo. Honors thesis. 1992-1993.

Riedel, Johannes and Robert Oudal. "A Charles Ives Primer." (University of
Minnesota, Minneapolis, 1969). ["Introduction to Ives' musical idioms, bibl.
of newspaper and magazine articles, books and recordings, and outline of
class topics."]

Rosen, Lee Cyril. "The Violin Sonatas of Charles Ives." Thesis, U of Ill.,
1965.

Rossiter, Frank R. "Charles Ives and American Culture: The Process of
Development, 1874-1921." Diss, Princeton Univ., Dept. of History, July,
1970.

Sadoff, Ronald. The solo piano music of Charles Ives: a performance guide.
Thesis (Ph. D.)--New York University, School of Education, Health, Nursing,
and Arts Professions, 1986.

Taylor, Paul Franklyn. Stylistic heterogeneity: the analytical key to
movements IIa and IIb from the first piano sonata by Charles Ives. Thesis
(D.M.A.)--University of Wisconsin-Madison, 1986.

Urban, Marshall Linwood. An investigation into elements of abstract
compositional language, program, and philosophical expression in Charles
Ives' "General William Booth Enters into Heaven". Thesis (M.M.)--Boston
University, 1988.

Vinquist, Mary Ann. "The Psalm Settings of Charles Ives." Thesis, IU, 1965.
Wallach, Laurence David. "The New England education of Charles Ives." PhD,
Columbia University, 1973; Ann Arbor: UMI, 1982.

Ward, Charles W. "The Use of Hymn Tunes as an Expression of Substance and
Manner in the Music of Charles Edward Ives 1974-1954." Mast. Thesis, UT,
1969.

Winters, Thomas Dyer. Additive and repetitive techniques in the experimental
works of Charles Ives. : Thesis (Ph. D.)--University of Pennsylvania, 1986.

*(from www.uncg.edu/mus/courses/flmccart/amr/contents/ivedis.txt)

> Naxos


Good

> James Sinclair


Good

> Orchestral Set No. 3 will have David G. Porter's edition of mvt. 1,
> Porter's realization of mvt. 2, and Nors Josephson's realization of
> mvt. 3.


Huh?  Is this going to be coherent with all those hands in it?

Not a comment - this is a question.


Christian Tucker
New York

Alexei Lubimov is the Russia pianist that has done much to introduce the music
of Charles Ives to Russian audiences.  He was in the audience when Leonard
Bernstein performed The Unanswered Question in Russia.  He gave me a CD of
performances he did of the Three Quartertone Pieces, as well as the Concord
Sonata.  (I still need to devote proper time to listen.)

A good friend in Moscow told me of his interest to present my realization of the
Universe Symphony.  He was surprised that conductors have not already signed on
to do the piece.  (And yes, he has listened to the CD, twice).  I tried my hand
at a few generalizations as to why this might be, and we shared a tea in his
hotel room across from Carnegie Hall.

I gave him a few more CDs, the unpublished book that explains the piece's
genesis, as well as the updated computer-generated score.  I am very pleased
that there remains interest in this piece, as well as in Ives, in general, in
Russia.  All it takes is 77 persons.

Johnny


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, Afmmjr@... wrote:

This is great news!  I'd still like (as I think you would too) to see
Performance #2 in the US, but if Russia wants it, their gain, the US
arts community's loss. After all, this is a piece about the Universe
and not three places in New England.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.  If this occurs, it will open other
performances, especially here.
>
> Alexei Lubimov is the Russia pianist that has done much to introduce
the music of Charles Ives to Russian audiences.  He was in the
audience when Leonard Bernstein performed The Unanswered Question in
Russia.  He gave me a CD of performances he did of the Three
Quartertone Pieces, as well as the Concord Sonata.  (I still need to
devote proper time to listen.)
>
> A good friend in Moscow told me of his interest to present my
realization of the Universe Symphony.  He was surprised that
conductors have not already signed on to do the piece.  (And yes, he
has listened to the CD, twice).  I tried my hand at a few
generalizations as to why this might be, and we shared a tea in his
hotel room across from Carnegie Hall.
>
> I gave him a few more CDs, the unpublished book that explains the
piece's genesis, as well as the updated computer-generated score.  I
am very pleased that there remains interest in this piece, as well as
in Ives, in general, in Russia.  All it takes is 77 persons.
>
> Johnny
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

I had the honor of videotaping the concert last Sat in NYC of the
American Festival of Microtonal Music's MicroFest 2006 -- please check
it out -- we haven't gotten the good audio track on the video yet, but
this will certainly give you an idea of this group's abilities -- the
John Eaton's Trio in X is especially affecting -- it's absolutely
world class chamber playing (IMHO):

NJOY:

http://www.c500.org/afmm/microfest2006/afmm01.htm

ms

> I had the honor of videotaping the concert last Sat in NYC of the
> American Festival of Microtonal Music's MicroFest 2006 -- please
check
> it out


I had a most enjoyable evening with these videos.  Of course, one piece
is absolutely fabulous!  (Having been a bass trombone player in a
former life, I certainly can't be accused of bias!)


Christian Tucker
New York