Hello

On Internet Archives i have found an very interresting document . An
interview of the Tenor Mordecai Bauman talking about Charles Ives with
the famous six songs performed by M. Bauman diffused in the same program
Interview conducted by Charles Amirkhanian on KPFA's Morning Concert,
September 15, 1980. This audio archive is in streaming format and the
sound quality of the songs is good. Maybe it's the source of the CD
"Star of David" pointed by Tony ?

<http://www.archive.org/details/MordecaiBaumanInterview>

Patrick

Dear Everyone (but especially Scott) - do you know how one can order the
Ramadori "Concord" CD on the Symposion label? - I am getting nowhere searching
for it..............Scott, does it give any address, etc on the label?? Tony

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--- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Cole" <tony@...> wrote:
>
> Bon jour, Patrick - Do you have the details of Universal's Muraro
CD? - I can get a bit of info on it but not yet enough to be certain
of being able to order it.........Thanks, Tony.

Bonjour Tony

This recording will be available the 11-17 but i found it two days ago.
In addition to the link given by Kirk i give you this link from french
  amazon (the only Amazon where it is available today)
<http://www.amazon.fr/Regards-Sur-Le-Xx%C3%A8me-Si%C3%A8cle/dp/B001D94L0W/ref=sr\
_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1226879803&sr=8-2>,
I precise this is a live recording taken in july 2004 at "lives in
Tremblay" in tribute to the memory of the pianist Claude Hellfer. To
my knowledge there are very few recordings live of the Concord. Except
Muraro i know only the recording of Timothy Andres.

Patrick

On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Tony Cole wrote:

> Bon jour, Patrick - Do you have the details of Universal's Muraro
> CD? - I can get a bit of info on it but not yet enough to be certain
> of being able to order it.........Thanks, Tony.


Here's a French download site with a track list:

http://www.virginmega.fr/musique/album/roger-muraro-regards-sur-le-xxe-siecle-10\
4589772,page1.htm


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Bon jour, Patrick - Do you have the details of Universal's Muraro CD? - I can
get a bit of info on it but not yet enough to be certain of being able to order
it.........Thanks, Tony.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Patrick Petit
   To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:16 PM
   Subject: [charlesives] New recording of Concord Sonata


   Hello

   The french pianist Roger Muraro had recorded for Universal music a new
   recording of piano music of the XXth century " Regard sur le XXeme
   siècle" in two cd, including Henri Dutilleux, Bela Bartok, Arnold
   Schönberg, Pierre Boulez, Olivier Messiaen, Gilles Tremblay, Betsy
   Jolas and an very good rendition of the Concord Sonata. Just listened
   today it's very impressive. Muraro is considered as the best performer
   of Olivier Messiaen's piano music, and i think his affinities with
   this music make him understand the music of Ives. Indeed both
   composers were organists, and inspired by spirituality and nature.

   Patrick





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On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Tony Cole wrote:

> Well, Kirk -  Mon ami Patrick will remember that he and I have
> agreed to differ a little in previous discussions in the group about
> Mr Gorisek's recording.  While I agree totally that the tempi raelly
> do put the performance out-of-court as a whole, I do find some
> lovely touches in places, AND I don't find it dull.......there are a
> number of very ordinary and dull recordings - very run-of-the-mill -
> which is very last thing you want in this work..... I was taken with
> your comment (about the Muraro recording) that you didn't feel you
> needed any more Concords, whereas I have bleated before that "you
> can't have too many" - I know that if I had called a halt to my
> acquisitions of recordings of this sonata year's ago (say when I had
> amassed a dozen or so), I would have missed out on some really great
> surprises - Aimard, Longobardi, Gottlieb - and most of all
> Vandewalle......... Am going to track down (excuse the pun) Roger
> Muraro's now....... Tony

Well, at least it's less onerous than with, say, Mahler, who wrote a
lot of symphonies. An obsession with a single sonata (arguably the
finest work of modern keyboard music) costs much less.

I've picked up a few lately, because I joined eMusic, where one
Concord comes out to $1.20.


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Well, Kirk -  Mon ami Patrick will remember that he and I have agreed to differ
a little in previous discussions in the group about Mr Gorisek's recording. 
While I agree totally that the tempi raelly do put the performance out-of-court
as a whole, I do find some lovely touches in places, AND I don't find it
dull.......there are a number of very ordinary and dull recordings - very
run-of-the-mill - which is very last thing you want in this work..... I was
taken with your comment (about the Muraro recording) that you didn't feel you
needed any more Concords, whereas I have bleated before that "you can't have too
many" - I know that if I had called a halt to my acquisitions of recordings of
this sonata year's ago (say when I had amassed a dozen or so), I would have
missed out on some really great surprises - Aimard, Longobardi, Gottlieb - and
most of all Vandewalle......... Am going to track down (excuse the pun) Roger
Muraro's now....... Tony
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Kirk McElhearn
   To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2008 12:26 AM
   Subject: Re: [charlesives] Re: New recording of Concord Sonata



   On Nov 16, 2008, at 1:20 AM, Patrick Petit wrote:

   > Here is an excerpt of the liner note of the cd written by Jonathan
   > Elliott.
   >
   > « The Concord Sonata represents, in its four movements, a virtual
   > synopsis of the ivesian view . It is a full scale gargantuan work of
   > the same epic proportions as Beehoven's Hammerklavier' Sonata .It is
   > technically daunting for the pianist who attempts it. It brings
   > together material from a broad spectrum of different worlds:
   > functional tonality , ragtime, polytonality, atonality, polyrhythm .
   > It seems almost overwhelming in the exuberance of its ideas. Various
   > textures are juxtaposed; the music makes rapid shifts in mood; yet it
   > is all stamped with the thorny, highly personal stamp of its
   > composer.Rather than verge on incoherence, this soanta seems to
   > perfect sense, yet not in any typical way . »
   >
   > But Gorisek don't explain his playing style in the liner note.

   Thanks for that. While I could deal with the first three movements,
   the Thoreau just fell apart because of the tempo...

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On Nov 16, 2008, at 1:20 AM, Patrick Petit wrote:

> Here is an excerpt of the liner note of the cd written by Jonathan
> Elliott.
>
> « The Concord Sonata represents, in its four movements, a virtual
> synopsis of the ivesian view . It is a full scale gargantuan work of
> the same epic proportions as Beehoven's Hammerklavier' Sonata .It is
> technically daunting for the pianist who attempts it. It brings
> together material from a broad spectrum of different worlds:
> functional tonality , ragtime, polytonality, atonality, polyrhythm .
> It seems almost overwhelming in the exuberance of its ideas. Various
> textures are juxtaposed; the music makes rapid shifts in mood; yet it
> is all stamped with the thorny, highly personal stamp of its
> composer.Rather than verge on incoherence, this soanta seems to
> perfect sense, yet not  in any typical way . »
>
> But Gorisek don't explain his playing style in the liner note.

Thanks for that. While I could deal with the first three movements,
the Thoreau just fell apart because of the tempo...


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--- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, Kirk McElhearn <kirkmc@...> wrote:
>
> Aside from the tempo, it's interesting, and I'd have liked to read the
> liner nots from the CD. Do you have the disc? I just downloaded it
> from eMusic, so there's no info. I'd like to read whatever
> justification he may have for these tempi.

Here is an excerpt of the liner note of the cd written by Jonathan
Elliott.

« The Concord Sonata represents, in its four movements, a virtual
synopsis of the ivesian view . It is a full scale gargantuan work of
the same epic proportions as Beehoven's Hammerklavier' Sonata .It is
technically daunting for the pianist who attempts it. It brings
together material from a broad spectrum of different worlds:
functional tonality , ragtime, polytonality, atonality, polyrhythm .
It seems almost overwhelming in the exuberance of its ideas. Various
textures are juxtaposed; the music makes rapid shifts in mood; yet it
is all stamped with the thorny, highly personal stamp of its
composer.Rather than verge on incoherence, this soanta seems to
perfect sense, yet not  in any typical way . »

But Gorisek don't explain his playing style in the liner note.

Patrick

On Nov 16, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Patrick Petit wrote:

> Bojan Gorisek had recorded the complete piano music of Erik Satie.
> About this recording , it's the longuest version of Concord Sonata,
> and the Thoreau movement is longuer than Emerson . Imo it's the worst
> performance of this work. I don't like at all.

I'm listening to it now; it's strange. What's weirdest is the way he
changes tempo so radically. If he played it all slowly, that would be
one thing, but he shifts between "normal" speed and very slow speeds.
Aside from the tempo, it's interesting, and I'd have liked to read the
liner nots from the CD. Do you have the disc? I just downloaded it
from eMusic, so there's no info. I'd like to read whatever
justification he may have for these tempi.


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--- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, Kirk McElhearn <kirkmc@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Kirk McElhearn wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, I just checked eMusic to see if there were any I
> don't know. I found this:
>
> Ives: Concord Sonata by Bojan Gorišek
>
> It's on a label called Biaricum. And it's just over 62 minutes long!

Bojan Gorisek had recorded the complete piano music of Erik Satie.
About this recording , it's the longuest version of Concord Sonata,
and the Thoreau movement is longuer than Emerson . Imo it's the worst
performance of this work. I don't like at all.

On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:22 PM, Kirk McElhearn wrote:

> Just when I thought I didn't need any more recordings of the
> Concord...


Speaking of which, I just checked eMusic to see if there were any I
don't know. I found this:

Ives: Concord Sonata by Bojan Gorišek

It's on a label called Biaricum. And it's just over 62 minutes long!

If any of you are unfamiliar with eMusic, I recently wrote an article
about it:

http://www.mcelhearn.com/article.php?story=2008091314274677

Best,


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On Nov 15, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Patrick Petit wrote:

> The french pianist Roger Muraro had recorded for Universal music a new
> recording of piano music of the XXth century " Regard sur le XXeme
> siècle" in two cd, including Henri Dutilleux, Bela Bartok, Arnold
> Schönberg, Pierre Boulez, Olivier Messiaen, Gilles Tremblay, Betsy
> Jolas and an very good rendition of the Concord Sonata. Just listened
> today it's very impressive. Muraro is considered as the best performer
> of  Olivier Messiaen's piano music, and i think his affinities with
> this music make him understand the music of Ives. Indeed both
> composers were organists, and inspired by spirituality and nature.


Just when I thought I didn't need any more recordings of the Concord...


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Hello

The french pianist Roger Muraro had recorded for Universal music a new
  recording of piano music of the XXth century " Regard sur le XXeme
siècle" in two cd, including Henri Dutilleux, Bela Bartok, Arnold
Schönberg, Pierre Boulez, Olivier Messiaen, Gilles Tremblay, Betsy
Jolas and an very good rendition of the Concord Sonata. Just listened
today it's very impressive. Muraro is considered as the best performer
of  Olivier Messiaen's piano music, and i think his affinities with
this music make him understand the music of Ives. Indeed both
composers were organists, and inspired by spirituality and nature.

Patrick

I only heard 2 renditions of the Concord: Marc-André Hamelin, plus
another one which I can't remember at the moment (maybe Kalisch), and
my preference goes to Hamelin. The other one is actually too slow,
exp in Thoreau...he slows those ostinatos in an unbearable way, the
features of the movement are unrecognizable.
I'll try to get both the Kontarsky and the Vandewalle renditions.
F.

--- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Cole" <tony@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, I agree absolutely......a fast rushed account is just as bad as
some of the awfully slow ones we all know about.  However, Kontarsky
has shown what a great pianist can do at tempi resembling Ives' own,
and Dominique is pretty impressive too in his two movements recorded
at this recital.  Anyone else out there been able to hear the truly
magnificent CD of the Concord by Daan Vandewalle? - at present this
is probably my favourite of all that I've heard.......Tony
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: barkleysbug60
>   To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:43 AM
>   Subject: [charlesives] Re: speedy ives from stockholm
>
>
>   Seems interesting...
>   I'm a little dubious, though, about playing "Emerson" at high
speed.
>   Isn't there a risk of making it a complete mess?
>   I think (like nearly every Ives' piano pieces) it requires a lot
of
>   thought and careful attention throughout, by the pianist: some
>   passages are better if played at high speed, some are better when
>   played slowly...
>   IMHO, obviously
>   F.
>
>   --- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Cole" <tony@> wrote:
>   >
>   > A fascinating lp has come my way - Carl-Axel Dominique is a
Swedish
>   pianist whose 1979 live concert in Stockholm contains the
>   swiftest/shortest Emerson and Alcotts I have ever heard - at
11:03
>   and 4:30 respectively they even beat Herr Kontarsky to the
winners
>   tape....the sound is pretty murky & bathroomish, BUT, as in the
case
>   of Aloys K., I rather enjoy the quick versions (& I suspect
Charley
>   would have done too). Carl-Axel also plays a movement from Sonata
>   No.1 (listed as movt 5, but is No.4 to most of us), as well as
Alkan,
>   Satie & a fantasy of his own - fascinatin' stuff, and I'd love to
>   hear him in the whole Concord, which he certainly gave on a
number of
>   occasions. Tony
>   >
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>   >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Oh, I agree absolutely......a fast rushed account is just as bad as some of the
awfully slow ones we all know about.  However, Kontarsky has shown what a great
pianist can do at tempi resembling Ives' own, and Dominique is pretty impressive
too in his two movements recorded at this recital.  Anyone else out there been
able to hear the truly magnificent CD of the Concord by Daan Vandewalle? - at
present this is probably my favourite of all that I've heard.......Tony
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   To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:43 AM
   Subject: [charlesives] Re: speedy ives from stockholm


   Seems interesting...
   I'm a little dubious, though, about playing "Emerson" at high speed.
   Isn't there a risk of making it a complete mess?
   I think (like nearly every Ives' piano pieces) it requires a lot of
   thought and careful attention throughout, by the pianist: some
   passages are better if played at high speed, some are better when
   played slowly...
   IMHO, obviously
   F.

   --- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Cole" <tony@...> wrote:
   >
   > A fascinating lp has come my way - Carl-Axel Dominique is a Swedish
   pianist whose 1979 live concert in Stockholm contains the
   swiftest/shortest Emerson and Alcotts I have ever heard - at 11:03
   and 4:30 respectively they even beat Herr Kontarsky to the winners
   tape....the sound is pretty murky & bathroomish, BUT, as in the case
   of Aloys K., I rather enjoy the quick versions (& I suspect Charley
   would have done too). Carl-Axel also plays a movement from Sonata
   No.1 (listed as movt 5, but is No.4 to most of us), as well as Alkan,
   Satie & a fantasy of his own - fascinatin' stuff, and I'd love to
   hear him in the whole Concord, which he certainly gave on a number of
   occasions. Tony
   >
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   >





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Seems interesting...
I'm a little dubious, though, about playing "Emerson" at high speed.
Isn't there a risk of making it a complete mess?
I think (like nearly every Ives' piano pieces) it requires a lot of
thought and careful attention throughout, by the pianist: some
passages are better if played at high speed, some are better when
played slowly...
IMHO, obviously
F.

--- In charlesives@yahoogroups.com, "Tony Cole" <tony@...> wrote:
>
> A fascinating lp has come my way - Carl-Axel Dominique is a Swedish
pianist whose 1979 live concert in Stockholm contains the
swiftest/shortest Emerson and Alcotts I have ever heard - at 11:03
and 4:30 respectively they even beat Herr Kontarsky to the winners
tape....the sound is pretty murky & bathroomish, BUT, as in the case
of Aloys K., I rather enjoy the quick versions (& I suspect Charley
would have done too).  Carl-Axel also plays a movement from Sonata
No.1 (listed as movt 5, but is No.4 to most of us), as well as Alkan,
Satie & a fantasy of his own - fascinatin' stuff, and I'd love to
hear him in the whole Concord, which he certainly gave on a number of
occasions.  Tony
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

A fascinating lp has come my way - Carl-Axel Dominique is a Swedish pianist
whose 1979 live concert in Stockholm contains the swiftest/shortest Emerson and
Alcotts I have ever heard - at 11:03 and 4:30 respectively they even beat Herr
Kontarsky to the winners tape....the sound is pretty murky & bathroomish, BUT,
as in the case of Aloys K., I rather enjoy the quick versions (& I suspect
Charley would have done too).  Carl-Axel also plays a movement from Sonata No.1
(listed as movt 5, but is No.4 to most of us), as well as Alkan, Satie & a
fantasy of his own - fascinatin' stuff, and I'd love to hear him in the whole
Concord, which he certainly gave on a number of occasions.  Tony

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What about this then!!?? - Majority, Slugging a Vampire and The Circus band -
arranged by Douglas YOung and played by the Leicester Schools S.O. cond. by
Peter Fletcher in 1970 (appalling sound!) - Tony
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu2tvQDhQIs

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Bonjour, Patrick - Hope you're keeping well - ?  Thanks for this info - I still
haven't been able to find out anymore about the promised Col Legno issue of the
Emerson Concerto.....Bon chance, Tony.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Patrick Petit
   To: charlesives@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 1:41 PM
   Subject: [charlesives] New recording of complete Psalms


   Hello

   Coming soon the 11, 11, 2008 a new recording of complete psalms of
   Ives by
   Stuttgart Vocal Ensemble conducted by Marcus Creed. Hanssler Classics.

   This link to listen excerpts of this recording
   <http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=677742#>
   Interesting to compare with the historical recording of the Gregg
   Smith singers.

   Patrick





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Short notice for this pianist's performance of Concord next Wednesday (29th) at
48 Gt Marlborough St, London - he's also giving same next month at Alborg,
Denmark (19th) & at Hertogenbosch, Holland (23rd).  Never heard him myself, but
he's best known as being the youngest bearer of the Yonty Solomon mantle as a
Sorabji interpreter.  He seems to have given lots of Ives performances too,
especially Concord & the Celestial Railroad. For more info see
www.jonathanpowell.wordpress.com - 'fraid I can't get to any of the above
performances - not even the London one as I'm committed to attending the
Endellion SQ in Cambridge.........Tony

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My knowledge of Ives' music was (and still is) lacking several
important works: the First Piano Sonata, the String Quartet #2, many
songs and the "Holidays Symphony".
Thank God I got the last one, some 2 weeks ago: now, I can't stop
listening again and again to those 4 sublime works by our great
insurance executive:-)
Both "Washington's Birthday" and "Decoration Day" as well as "4th of
July" and "Thanksgiving" are all pure, typical, Ives at his best...
So many words could be said about the different techniques, textures,
even philosophical issues. But the achievement that, most of all,
strikes me is the miracle of  coupling "laboratory" and beauty.
Let me only mention an example of striking, moving beauty: in
Decoration Day, at about             (right after the first, short,
dynamic "climax") listen to the brief gesture from the strings, then
to the soft, sustained notes by a clarinet, doubled by a
bassoon...Never heard something equally "strangely beautiful" coming
from these two instruments, unless in Strawinsky (but in a
different, "more-acid" way, in the latter). On the background, an
hardly-audible murmuring by the bass strings, then a bell from
faraway and...here come three soft, suffering glissandos by the
strings...The whole is something thrilling.
I don't know...I don't remember anyone praising Ives for timbric
mastery. I do!
Ok, I could write a long panegyric to the Holidays, but either my
english is not so good and this post is not supposed to be too
lengthy:-)
F.

--- On Mon, 10/20/08, Patrick Petit <patrpetit@...> wrote:
> Coming soon the 11, 11, 2008 a new recording of complete
> psalms of
> Ives by
> Stuttgart Vocal Ensemble conducted by Marcus Creed.
> Hanssler Classics.

Excerpts are too short (grumble).

I'm getting the disc, tho, so they're nevertheless effective.

Hello

Coming soon the 11, 11, 2008 a new recording of complete psalms of
Ives by
Stuttgart Vocal Ensemble conducted by Marcus Creed. Hanssler Classics.

This link to listen excerpts of this recording
<http://www.classicsonline.com/catalogue/product.aspx?pid=677742#>
Interesting to compare with the historical recording of the Gregg
Smith singers.

Patrick

My thoughts run similarly; perhaps it has been overstated that Bach "uses"
the creativity of others in order to develop his own original music.  As a
pioneer is American music, using the vernacular from spirituals, from Foster, or
even setting variations on America, make total sense.  By the time Ives reached
the Universe Symphony, there are no quotes, and this is apparently the longest
uninterrupted instrumental piece of music ever written, even in its orignally
unfinished state.

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I¹ve wondered about that too. The resemblance of the opening of Beethoven¹s
Hammerklavier Sonata to the second phrase of the recurring Concord Sonata
theme seems a mite sketchy -- unless Ives himself left a written indication
in the Memos or somewhere that the resemblance was intentional. Did he?

-David See


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Are we sure all the "borrowings" in Ives' composition are ACTUALLY
borrowings?
I mean, sometimes the "original tune" is barely recognizable (f.e.
the "Dies Irae" in Decoration Day) and I'm not sure that it's an actual
citation
Regards

Just got this one (Finley/Drake on Hyperion). Haven't had the time to give it a
proper listen yet, but hopefully soon. I'm starting to delve into Ives songs,
which is definitely the most neglected area of his work for me personally. I've
always been more of a fan of instrumental music, but slowly I'm working on it
and developing an appreciation there. The DeGaetani/Kalish disc is really the
disc that hits home with me, but I'm exploring some other vocal readings.
"Serenity" is probably a fav for me at this point - truly wonderful. Great thing
is that there is vast amount of uncharted territory that constitute the songs,
which is an exciting prospect for me.

Also, has anybody heard the Naxos songs? Do those 4 volumes consist of the
entire 114 songs?

Frank
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I'm a real fan of Ives's music, and I love to trade CD's, tapes,
etc. of legendary conductors as well as pianists of the past, but
there's one thing I'd like to mention, which doesn't pertain to
Ives but rather to American chamber music...
   I'd like to sell a CD I got by mistake (I've ended up with two
copies -- it's a long story).
   This comprises the String Quartet of Howard Hanson, and BOTH String
Quartets of Randall Thompson, all of which are truly wonderful. The
CD is in "Like New" condition, with 72 minutes of music.. The label
is Citadel (20 bit digital transfer), recorded in 1989.

If someone can help me out I'd really be grateful.
I'd like to sell it for around $9 including shipping, obo (I paid
$13.48, on Amazon).

I also like to trade classical music of all types/periods, on CD,
cassette, LP... and I have a "Want List" as an MS WORD
attachment, that I can e-mail(!)

Please contact me at forlino@...

  >> Paul Miller in West Los Angeles