Hi all,

Beta tester - somehow I can see that - ha!  ;-)  Will certainly work
out well for all parties involved, without a doubt.

Good that you write up these things for future reference. A good
benefit for all that use the software.

Anyone else out there doing anything noteable?


Phil J.

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> Yes...they have also formed a Yahoo grp purely devoted to Atari-MIDI
> programming. Dr Ambient is the head of it! There are a few projects
going.
> Of course I offered my services as beta tester:-)
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look
> for it soon.
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When I am clicking around and haven't set a point, I can hear the
music.  When I try and play the composition, it composes it, writes
it, and stops without playing it, and it doesn't send anything out to
a midi file.
I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but the same thing happens.
It's a mystery to me.

Gunnar

Gunnar,

What OS are you running?  Can you save the results as *.mid and
play it outside of Gingerbread?  I have run into similar problems
with it using Windows ME - that, or get to point using the bar lab
where I can play segments, but not the whole thing, or audition a
single instrument, but only one at a time.

Phil J.



--- In cnfractal_music@y..., "gwisk55" <gwisk55@y...> wrote:
> When I am clicking around and haven't set a point, I can hear the
> music.  When I try and play the composition, it composes it, writes
> it, and stops without playing it, and it doesn't send anything out
to
> a midi file.
> I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but the same thing happens.
> It's a mystery to me.
>
> Gunnar

Murthy's Latest Musical Composition 'DIALOGUE'

Please note: I have not used Fractals to create this music.
I have used my fractals brain! My brain has started thinking is
fractals these days.

I have uploaded my latest composition titled 'Dialogue' on to the
web.  It may become clear what kind of 'dialogue' it is after you
listen to it. You may have been in that type of dialogue situation
many times in your life!)

The web address is:

http://murthymusic.tripod.com/songs

I am approaching the 'big thirty'; I mean the number of compositions
in last ten days.

TURN YOUR SPEAKER ON BEFORE YOU PLAY

KRS Murthy
sweetmusic@...

Gunnar,

I've had problems with GB 2.0 similar to that.  I didn't have that problem
with 1.0.  I haven't tried
composing something longer than 16 bars since I got a memory upgrade lately.
Try setting your compose length to less than 16 bars.

Casey

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Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:25 AM
Subject: [cnfractal_music] Gingerbread midi problem


> When I am clicking around and haven't set a point, I can hear the
> music.  When I try and play the composition, it composes it, writes
> it, and stops without playing it, and it doesn't send anything out to
> a midi file.
> I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but the same thing happens.
> It's a mystery to me.
>
> Gunnar
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>

I'm interested in this discussion because I'm trying to record to midi
using Acid Pro, and I get a midi file that's one bar long with nothing
in it. I'm wondering if this is not a problem with how XP implements
DirectX and record/output to midi in general. So (a) are any of you
having the GB/Midi problem using XP and (b) if not, does anyone here
know of a fix for this problem in XP? I've managed to determine that the
record to midi feature (at least in AP) depends on the Direct SoftSynth
to work; but how one finds this synth or makes sure it's turned on is
beyond me. I've been all over the place trying to find out how to fix
this. It's pretty frustrating.

Diane



Gunnar,

I've had problems with GB 2.0 similar to that.  I didn't have that
problem
with 1.0.  I haven't tried
composing something longer than 16 bars since I got a memory upgrade
lately.
Try setting your compose length to less than 16 bars.

Casey

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Subject: [cnfractal_music] Gingerbread midi problem


> When I am clicking around and haven't set a point, I can hear the
> music.  When I try and play the composition, it composes it, writes
> it, and stops without playing it, and it doesn't send anything out to
> a midi file.
> I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, but the same thing happens.
> It's a mystery to me.
>
> Gunnar
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Diane,

I'm a little confused.  Isn't Acid Pro loop based composing?  If it a midi
editor excuse my ignorance.
I thought I had read all the brocures they kept sending me.

Casey

I'm a little confused.  Isn't Acid Pro loop based composing?  If it a
midi
editor excuse my ignorance.
I thought I had read all the brocures they kept sending me.

No, not a midi editor, per se, but you can work with midi within it.

AP is loop-based, but you can do more with it than just loops in the
narrow sense. The new version takes midi files, which you can arrange
and slide around just like you do audio files. So, for example, you
could have thematic segments and textural elements in midi that you can
fluidly slide around until you get them like you want, them either
render them as waves or record them to midi. You also have all the
pitch-shifting and tempo-changing tools available, which I'm pretty sure
you can also apply to the midi files without having to save a lot of
different versions on your hard drive.

I was thinking that, in the midi recording, what you'd end up with is a
midi file with all the segments mixed into one midi stream. That stream
could then be finished to wave/mp3 or further manipulated using other
software. To me, this would be a much quicker and more playful way of
composing than doing the cut/paste routine in a scoring program. But I
can't get it to work. I would very much like to hear from somebody who
has gotten it to work to know if it WILL work the way I'm hoping it
will. It does seem to be a too-good-to-be-true feature.

So I'm just wondering if I've misunderstood how record to midi works. It
DOES create a .mid file, so I don't think it's just recording an audio
file from the midi files; it's just that the .mid file is empty.

Diane



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Hi,

Just to say the midi problem reported won't be to do with Direct X if it's
Gingerbread - as neither versions of that used Direct X.  I'm unsure of what
the problem is though - this is the first time I've heard of such things
reported.

One thing - I'm surprised by people having issues on XP/2000 etc. - because
I've withdrawn GB from my sites because the installer was proving
incompatible with many people running those operating systems - so I'm
surprised it's running at all!

Anyway - sorry not to be more helpful.  I'm afraid this is an issue I won't
be able to fix - the Gingerbread code won't even compile on anything later
than Windows 95.  Which is why I'm intending to develop a new Gingerbread to
take advantages of new platforms at some stage in the future.

Phil T.

>>So I'm just wondering if I've misunderstood how record to midi works. It
>DOES create a .mid file, so I don't think it's just recording an audio
>file from the midi files; it's just that the .mid file is empty.
>
>Diane

Hi Diane

As I understand it, the MIDI part only plays your sound card (or external
MIDI modules if you have any) so it is not audio, but note on and off
messages. To record it, I think you need to record the output of your sound
card (Audio and Midi) to another source, then bring it back into the PC and
record to SoundForge or another wave editing program. Just some ideas.

Tim


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As I understand it, the MIDI part only plays your sound card (or
external
MIDI modules if you have any) so it is not audio, but note on and off
messages. To record it, I think you need to record the output of your
sound
card (Audio and Midi) to another source, then bring it back into the PC
and
record to SoundForge or another wave editing program. Just some ideas.

Tim

OH! So, like, record it through the line out into a midi keyboard or
something like that, then port it back in? Is there a cheap "box"
solution to this? Something that basically captures the midi but nothing
so big/complex as a keyboard? Tim, you may have kept me from losing my
mind. :)

Now, re-reading the above, does this mean that I won't be able to get a
useful midi file out of it? What I was hoping to do was to get a midi
file that I could pull into my scoring program for further tweaking. If
this is completely impossible, say so. Then I'll know to quit beating my
head against the wall!

Diane



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I think that is precisely how it works.  The MIDI file itself is
nothing but a set of instructions that can be read by your
soundcard/keyboard/external sound module/other external MIDI devices
and interpreted to produce sounds.  As these MIDI messages are
interpreted and sent back though your soundcard - i.e. you are
hearing the sounds through you PC - this is a stream of Audio data
that you should be able to capture and record via whatever you have
for that - SoundForge, the various utilities provided provided in
your operating system (windows media recorder), or via utilities
provided by the soundcard software(soundblaster Wavestudio), etc.


Ask Ray, Casey, and Tim about external sound modules!  There is a
Roland module or two out there that are excellent.

Even if the software will not save your "project" as a MIDI file,
you should be able to capture the sonic output as a wav file if you
are able to hear this output!

Phil J.



--- In cnfractal_music@y..., <dkistner@t...> wrote:
> As I understand it, the MIDI part only plays your sound card (or
> external
> MIDI modules if you have any) so it is not audio, but note on and
off
> messages. To record it, I think you need to record the output of
your
> sound
> card (Audio and Midi) to another source, then bring it back into
the PC
> and
> record to SoundForge or another wave editing program. Just some
ideas.
>
> Tim
>
> OH! So, like, record it through the line out into a midi keyboard or
> something like that, then port it back in? Is there a cheap "box"
> solution to this? Something that basically captures the midi but
nothing
> so big/complex as a keyboard? Tim, you may have kept me from losing
my
> mind. :)
>
> Now, re-reading the above, does this mean that I won't be able to
get a
> useful midi file out of it? What I was hoping to do was to get a
midi
> file that I could pull into my scoring program for further
tweaking. If
> this is completely impossible, say so. Then I'll know to quit
beating my
> head against the wall!
>
> Diane
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Diane:


>OH! So, like, record it through the line out into a midi keyboard or
>something like that, then port it back in? Is there a cheap "box"
>solution to this? Something that basically captures the midi but nothing
>so big/complex as a keyboard? Tim, you may have kept me from losing my
>mind. :)

well...you may loose it after this:-)
If you want to use an external MIDI keyboard, this means you need that
special cord that plugs into the sound cards game port that has MIDI IN and
OUT (5 pin din cables)Those go into your MIDI keyboard.The AUDIO out-put of
the MIDI keyboard goes to the AUDIO IN of the PC's soundcard so you can
record it in audio software like Sound-Forge.Remember, MIDI is NOT Audio and
visa versa. Hope this doesn't totally confuse you!

Re-reading your question again, you are asking how to capture the output of
the soundcard, which is AUDIO. From Acid, you are playing both Audio Parts
and MIDI parts, but both are coming thru the sound cards AUDIO output.(sound
right?) I can only think of to take the Line AUDIO Out of the PC into either
a Cassette Recorder, or another Audio recorder. Then after recording it,
take it back into the PC LINE IN and record it into SoundForge (or whatever)
and there you have it.There might be another solution, but I am not really a
PC man, but an Atari Man:-)Myself, I record all my MIDI and Audio stuff onto
a 4 Track cassette. (they are cheap these days)Then mix it down on the PC
using SoundForge.

>
>Now, re-reading the above, does this mean that I won't be able to get a
>useful midi file out of it? What I was hoping to do was to get a midi
>file that I could pull into my scoring program for further tweaking. If
>this is completely impossible, say so. Then I'll know to quit beating my
>head against the wall!

This is a different matter altogether. If Acid can SAVE AS MIDI FILE, then
you have got it made. Then simply save it and import it into your scoring
program.

Tim

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Phil and Tim, thanks so much for this info. Actually, though, I have
plenty of ways to get audio output from midi files without having to
leave my computer. It's the midi files themselves that I want. Tim,
alas, I wish your "Save As Midi" trick would work in Acid, but it
doesn't. Maybe I just need to get a different sound card. Mine (an SB
Live! Value) has always acted a bit quirky, like it has a screw loose
somewhere.

Diane

-----Original Message-----
From: pjfjacks [mailto:pjfjacks@...]
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:52 PM
To: cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [cnfractal_music] Re: Midi and Looping


I think that is precisely how it works.  The MIDI file itself is
nothing but a set of instructions that can be read by your
soundcard/keyboard/external sound module/other external MIDI devices
and interpreted to produce sounds.  As these MIDI messages are
interpreted and sent back though your soundcard - i.e. you are
hearing the sounds through you PC - this is a stream of Audio data
that you should be able to capture and record via whatever you have
for that - SoundForge, the various utilities provided provided in
your operating system (windows media recorder), or via utilities
provided by the soundcard software(soundblaster Wavestudio), etc.


Ask Ray, Casey, and Tim about external sound modules!  There is a
Roland module or two out there that are excellent.

Even if the software will not save your "project" as a MIDI file,
you should be able to capture the sonic output as a wav file if you
are able to hear this output!

Phil J.



--- In cnfractal_music@y..., <dkistner@t...> wrote:
> As I understand it, the MIDI part only plays your sound card (or
> external
> MIDI modules if you have any) so it is not audio, but note on and
off
> messages. To record it, I think you need to record the output of
your
> sound
> card (Audio and Midi) to another source, then bring it back into
the PC
> and
> record to SoundForge or another wave editing program. Just some
ideas.
>
> Tim
>
> OH! So, like, record it through the line out into a midi keyboard or
> something like that, then port it back in? Is there a cheap "box"
> solution to this? Something that basically captures the midi but
nothing
> so big/complex as a keyboard? Tim, you may have kept me from losing
my
> mind. :)
>
> Now, re-reading the above, does this mean that I won't be able to
get a
> useful midi file out of it? What I was hoping to do was to get a
midi
> file that I could pull into my scoring program for further
tweaking. If
> this is completely impossible, say so. Then I'll know to quit
beating my
> head against the wall!
>
> Diane
>
>
>
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You don't have to ask. I'll tell you.

Roland JV-1010, pretty nice piece of equipment for under $400.  It has the
GM 127 sounds
plus built in it has about 4 or 5 banks.  It's fully programmable.
You need software like Cakewalk to record the different bank settings
though, so it requires
post production if you generate with Tangent.  Also it's not XG or GS
compatible really.
It's not a huge keyboard. It's about the size of a stack of large floor
tiles 3" tall.

I can get the sound from the headphone jack and plug that into my soundcard
to record, or
I have a "Y" adapter I use right now that plugs into the two 1/4" jacks in
the back.

Most soundcards have some software for recording, and you can basically
record anything you hear.
SBLive does that.  Some softsynths like AudioMulch (which is a generative
system of it's own)
will record thier own audio.  SBLive Value I last saw was around $39
dollars.

Casey

Hi All:

My latest article describes CAMUS,(Cellular Automata MUSic generator)by
Eduardo Reck Miranda.An unusual program first developed on Atari and then
Windows.


http://www.myatari.net/issues/jul2002/camus.htm

Comments welcome

Tim C



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>Phil and Tim, thanks so much for this info. Actually, though, I have
>plenty of ways to get audio output from midi files without having to
>leave my computer. It's the midi files themselves that I want. Tim,
>alas, I wish your "Save As Midi" trick would work in Acid, but it
>doesn't. Maybe I just need to get a different sound card. Mine (an SB
>Live! Value) has always acted a bit quirky, like it has a screw loose
>somewhere.
>
>Diane

ahhh...I think the solution is a "virtual" MIDI cable called HUBBIES
LOOPBACK. You can take a virtual MIDI cord from ACID right to your scoring
program! Its a bit tricky to install ( I have not tried it)

Can anybody advise here? Is this the solution?

TimC

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> ahhh...I think the solution is a "virtual" MIDI cable called HUBBIES
LOOPBACK. You can take a virtual MIDI cord from ACID right to your
scoring
program! Its a bit tricky to install ( I have not tried it)

  >  Can anybody advise here? Is this the solution?

It's starting to become a little clear what I need to do. Thanks, Tim.

Sans coffee, I have started browsing this morning for info. After
finding thousands of pages with women talking about their hubbies, I
searched for something like "virtual midi loopback" in Google and found
this that some of you here may be interested in (has something to do
with CSound, but can be used with other things). If this is too
off-topic, just delete this.

http://web.tiscali.it/G-Maldonado/vmci.html (Virtual Midi Control
Interface)

The links on this page to Hubi's Midi LoopBack and Midi-Ox don't work.
For anyone interested, try these:

http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/MIDI-OX/

http://www.sonicspot.com/hubismidiloopbackdevice/hubismidiloopbackdevice
.html

Except there's a 2.6a version here:
http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Hubis_LoopBack_device/ (I posted
the above because of the W98 compatability caution)

I found discussion at Hitsquad about Hubi not working with XP. (Good old
XP.) Here's a piece from that:

In Reply to: Re:
<http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/programs/Hubis_LoopBack_device/wwwboard/mes
sages/195.html> loopback and XP posted by Remco on February 26, 2002 at
04:20:47:


You better use Midi Yoke,


There is a version for win 9x and for NT


The NT version works fine with XP and Win 2k


search for MIDIYOKE WITH GOOGLE



A cryptic comment re using "lbk" which I take it is Hubi:



: It works in Win2K and WinXP. Forget about trying to install it though.
Just execute HWMDCABL as many times as you need. I sometimes will have 3
or 4 instances running as the same time. Once the program is running,
(it'll show up on your toolbar, just right-click to see your options for
routing.


Diane





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http://www.midiox.com/

See this

Diane


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My latest article describes CAMUS,(Cellular Automata MUSic generator)by
Eduardo Reck Miranda.An unusual program first developed on Atari and
then
Windows.


http://www.myatari.net/issues/jul2002/camus.htm

Comments welcome

I'm reeling this morning from info overload, but I skimmed this. It's
thorough and inviting. Putting that midi file up there is helpful. This
is a program I might actually use.

Diane



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--- In cnfractal_music@y..., <dkistner@t...> wrote:
> My latest article describes CAMUS,(Cellular Automata MUSic
generator)by
> Eduardo Reck Miranda.An unusual program first developed on Atari and
> then
> Windows.
>
>
> http://www.myatari.net/issues/jul2002/camus.htm
>
> Comments welcome
>
> I'm reeling this morning from info overload, but I skimmed this.
It's
> thorough and inviting. Putting that midi file up there is helpful.
This
> is a program I might actually use.
>
> Diane

ahh...good! I am glad I put up that MIDI file and that someone
actually listened to it! Does this mean you do 12 tone style music?

TimC

ahh...good! I am glad I put up that MIDI file and that someone
actually listened to it! Does this mean you do 12 tone style music?

Not deliberately...but accidentally I do some 12-tone-like things and
have promised myself to learn more about tone rows.

Diane


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WOW...a totally different piece and feel. With the E-Bowed guitar it sounds
like a Fripp and Eno piece :-) I noticed he took pieces from the M generated
stuff, looped it and then created his own solo's over it.

TimC

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>
>ahh...good! I am glad I put up that MIDI file and that someone
>actually listened to it! Does this mean you do 12 tone style music?
>
>Not deliberately...but accidentally I do some 12-tone-like things and
>have promised myself to learn more about tone rows.
>
>Diane


Then you would like SCHOENBERG COMPOSER. There are many members here that
have experiemnted with this app and have really like it. Gavin for one.You
need steem.

go here and look under Gareth Jones

http://tamw.atari-users.net/dwnloads.htm

I also have a seperate page for it, but can't remeber the url, but it on my
main site under megaster synthisizer Collective: gareth Jones

http://tamw.atari-users.net/timidi.htm

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Hi Tim & all,
Mention of Schoenberg 5 stirs me into action.

This is one of my favourite algorithmic programmes. It does 12-note
stuff very well, but it can also be persuaded to create more tonal music
as well.

Looking through my bookmarks, I see this link:

> http://www.myatari.net/issues/sep2001/tone_row.htm

which is an excellent article by Tim C about the joys of SB5 including
some example MIDI files & links to other info.  This is *well* worth a
thorough reading.

Gavin.



Tim Conrardy wrote:

>>ahh...good! I am glad I put up that MIDI file and that someone
>>actually listened to it! Does this mean you do 12 tone style music?
>>
>>Not deliberately...but accidentally I do some 12-tone-like things and
>>have promised myself to learn more about tone rows.
>>
>>Diane
>>
>
>
>Then you would like SCHOENBERG COMPOSER. There are many members here that
>have experimented with this app and have really like it. Gavin for one.You
>need steem.
>
>go here and look under Gareth Jones
>
>http://tamw.atari-users.net/dwnloads.htm
>
>I also have a separate page for it, but can't remember the url, but it on my
>main site under megastar synthesizer Collective: gareth Jones
>
>http://tamw.atari-users.net/timidi.htm
>
>Tim
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Hi Tim and all,

Yes, I really like that addition as well.  David tells me that this is still a
work in progress, not the
finished thing.  May be a few weeks before we hear that

Great to see the interaction, musically!

Phil

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   To: cnfractal_music@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 2:25 PM
   Subject: [cnfractal_music] tourist-dco-extensions.mp3



   >Hello,
   >  This email message is a notification to let you know that
   >a file has been uploaded to the CNFractal Music Forum Warehouse Site
   >at ArtSong.org
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   >file        : tourist-dco-extensions.mp3
   >uploaded by : dco
   >
   >  You can access this file at the URL
   >http://www.artsong.org/cnf/Warehouse/tourist-dco-extensions.mp3
   >Please see http://www.artsong.org/cnf/ for more info and good tunes

   WOW...a totally different piece and feel. With the E-Bowed guitar it sounds
   like a Fripp and Eno piece :-) I noticed he took pieces from the M generated
   stuff, looped it and then created his own solo's over it.

   TimC

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Hi all,

A reply from David Cooper Orton this morning regarding the version
of Tim & Tim's tune he uploaded...

Phil J.
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Phil - and Tim

I did start with a plan of playing over the original piece - which I
may still try - but paniced when it didn't go too well and, as Tim
notes, started taking fragments, phrases, and sections from either
side of the stereo image and looping those instead. I still managed
to loose the thread somewhere in the middle where I attempted to turm
the beat around so many times  I couldn't find it and just jumped
back in somewhat arbitrarily. - that certainly needs amending.

As for  Fripp and Eno - guilty, m'lud, although I can hear a Steve
Tibbetts element in one or two places.

However - back to the grindstone for me

Cheers

David

New on TAMW!!

PATTERNER

Patterner is an algorithmic MIDI pattern generator for Atari Computers.
Patterner also works on a PC thru emulation software (see
http://tamw.atari-users.net/steem.htm)

Peter Kienle sent me the most recent edition of his Patterner
application as well as Docs in Pagestream 2.2 and PDF formats with
Demo files to boot!! Check em out here:

http://tamw.atari-users.net/patternr.htm

have fun!

Tim Conrardy
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