anyone know how to make sound and/or data files into image files? i know
theres a program called bw that translates back and forth between bitmaps
and waves, but im not into it. ive heard photoshop can do tuff like this,
but i dont have that. what would be involved in "tricking" a grafx app into
thinking something is an image. just changing the file extension doesnt
work, so i assume theres some kind of encoding?

phil


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Any of the Mac users here used ResEdit to change file types from x to
Audio?

For those who don't know this program, it's a little programmers tool
that allows you change the data fork of files. Hackers use it sometimes
to Krack files. You can do some minor tweaking to applications with
humorous results.

Anyone wanna copy an application into pure text data and run it as an
Audio file?

TD

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"| ph!L b3ndz d@ta |" <hellomynameisphil@...> wrote:

>anyone know how to make sound and/or data files into image files?
i know
>theres a program called bw that translates back and forth between
bitmaps
>and waves, but im not into it. ive heard photoshop can do tuff
like this,
>but i dont have that. what would be involved in "tricking" a
grafx app into
>thinking something is an image. just changing the file extension
doesnt
>work, so i assume theres some kind of encoding?

merely changing the extension generally will not work for any
databending process; what you generally need to do is trick an
app to open the file.  go into your "files of type" in the open
dialog box.  see if there's an option for "raw data (.RAW)".
  if so, select that & your application should be ready to open
just about anything (it'll prompt you to convert first).  you
probably want a raster editor; i have no idea what would happen
if you tried to use a vector editor like illustrator (but would
be interested if anyone else has tried this).

i haven't really played around much with opening audio in graphics
editors.  the problem i came across is that when photoshop was
ready to convert the file, it wanted me to tell it the image
dimensions.  i had to guess, & i'm sure my guess was not the
optimal setting.

***begin sig
"If you are going to be my girlfriend please don't dump me after
I like you."
mp3: http://www.mp3.com/stAllio
awia: http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~awia
label: http://badtaste.gabber.org

Has anyone else noticed that the archive keeps
temporarily disappearing? And that a few messages
have disappeared as well? Ugh!

Robert

I was messing around a bit today, creating image files in Photoshop,
saving them as raw files and opening them in Cool Edit. I had been
wondering how to control pitch when creating images/sounds in
Photoshop. I think I've figured it out. My computer is so painfully
slow that I haven't had time to test my theory properly though.
Previously I had found that a 60 dpi image 2" wide x 2" high opened at
22khz will be approx 2 seconds, A 60 dpi image 2" wide x 4" high
opened at 22khz will be approx 4 seconds, etc. I don't know why I
didn't try this before, but what I noticed tonight is that simply
resizing the image width seems to strech the sound and lower the
pitch. This also increases the duration of the sound. I'm assuming
that a height/width ratio could be determined for controlling the
pitch of sounds. I don't think that this can be used in conjunction
with the sequencing ideas I have though. It seems that white space
added around an image will effect it in certain ways. So I don't think
that a string of differently pitched images/sounds could be pasted
into a larger document. I'll experiment some more and post what I
find.

Robert
Alien-Devices.com

the only thing that increases the 'length' of the sample is the size of the
file you're working with... as image size increases, the file size increases
exponentially.  some additional ways to get longer samples are working with
a deeper color depth (ie. LAB instead of RGB) and higher DPI.  Repeating
patterns is where it's at... for determining pitch.  the bigger the pattern,
the lower the pitch....  also remember that the data is stored serially,
meaning left to right, top to bottom one row at a time.  so a repeating
pattern needs only to be 1 pixel high to achieve a consistent tone.  (if
you're not familiar with the 'define pattern' item in the edit menu.. i
suggest digging out your manual)

-mike-


----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Green" <NoMoldYet@...>
To: <databenders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2001 9:53 PM
Subject: [databenders] Pitch


> I was messing around a bit today, creating image files in Photoshop,
> saving them as raw files and opening them in Cool Edit. I had been
> wondering how to control pitch when creating images/sounds in
> Photoshop. I think I've figured it out. My computer is so painfully
> slow that I haven't had time to test my theory properly though.
> Previously I had found that a 60 dpi image 2" wide x 2" high opened at
> 22khz will be approx 2 seconds, A 60 dpi image 2" wide x 4" high
> opened at 22khz will be approx 4 seconds, etc. I don't know why I
> didn't try this before, but what I noticed tonight is that simply
> resizing the image width seems to strech the sound and lower the
> pitch. This also increases the duration of the sound. I'm assuming
> that a height/width ratio could be determined for controlling the
> pitch of sounds. I don't think that this can be used in conjunction
> with the sequencing ideas I have though. It seems that white space
> added around an image will effect it in certain ways. So I don't think
> that a string of differently pitched images/sounds could be pasted
> into a larger document. I'll experiment some more and post what I
> find.
>
> Robert
> Alien-Devices.com
>
>
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When creating text files to music I come up with some interesting
results. No clue as to what I'm doing right yet, I feel like the guy in
the movie "Pi"

My method is to create long alpha-numeric streams in Word, save as a
text file. Open the txt. file in SoundHack, change the header to 16bit
and play.

Is anyone else searching out this puzzle? I'd like to see what other
people have found. I know that there is a struture or template that
could be created, I have yet to find it.

Hello all,

     New to the list, looks good so far.

     Just a quick introduction (not quite sure if that's plus ultra here, but
hey...)

     I'm dolljunkie, from S. Texas, a bit into circuit bending, big into
audio engineering, a bit into graphic art, video, etc.  Used to VJ, now I
play synths and do more fun stuff.  Have a few musical projects, the only
one worth mentioning right now, doesn't use any databending (but some
circuits...).  For money, I automate systems and processes.

     Currently working an abstract photo project, and wanted audio to go with
it -- started playing with converting the files about, and I have to say,
just reading that message about patterns in photoshop has already made my
life a bit easier, on that front.  Thanks =)

Anyhow, this is already too long.

+Hello.

!c (dolljunkie)

Hi All,

Just joined. Very happy to find this group (thanks for the invite,
Tommy Dog). Just read every message in the archive. Phew. I'm a
bedroom electronic sound tweaker. I am very turned on by sound
produced from unusual sources or by unusual methods. To me, it feels
like a choice way to reflect the state of the world, in sound and
music, as art. Particularly with technology advancing in leaps and
bounds, it's lovely to assert the human factor back on it with
illogical approaches. While computers strive to mimic the organic, we
organisms can turn the tables.

With some inspiration from the archives, I will next be experimenting
with sound -> image -> image processing -> sound. I will report any
interesting results. I have a Mac and SoundHack, Graphic Converter,
Photoshop and all kinds of audio progs, so that should be a good
start.

Here's an interesting site, by way of www.memepool.com (a worthy
weblog); manipulate your monitor to produce meaningful sound picked
up by shortwave radio:

http://www.erikyyy.de/tempest/

It seems the program source is available, but I wouldn't know how to
compile it. Would love to hear from anyone that tries it.

I look forward to participating here.
Martin
--
http://www.musicwomb.org/

Nice to meet ya, dolljunkie.

What part of S.Tx are you from?? I'm living in San Antonio at the
moment...really desolate...not a huge fan of this city.  ;_;

How about other people on the list?? I'm curious as to where most
people are from...if there is a high concentration of benders/etc
anywhere...you know.

Peoria, Illinois

(3 hrs south of chicago)


----- Original Message -----
From: "ark ook" <astrald@...>
To: <databenders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:30 PM
Subject: [databenders] Re: intro


> Nice to meet ya, dolljunkie.
>
> What part of S.Tx are you from?? I'm living in San Antonio at the
> moment...really desolate...not a huge fan of this city.  ;_;
>
> How about other people on the list?? I'm curious as to where most
> people are from...if there is a high concentration of benders/etc
> anywhere...you know.
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> databenders-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
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>
>
>
>

>
>What part of S.Tx are you from?? I'm living in San Antonio at the
>moment...really desolate...not a huge fan of this city.  ;_;

I'm in Dallas, TX.

Joshua


Pulse 8 / nKode / cacofone [aim:goodtimetribe]
http://www.goodtimetribe.com
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expansion of humanity into all space-time. SM + IČ + LE = infinity. " ----
Timothy Leary

> How about other people on the list?? I'm curious as to where most
> people are from...if there is a high concentration of benders/etc
> anywhere...you know.

I'm from the northern wasteland. A tourist town nearly
devoid of culture in northern lower Michigan.

Robert
Alien-Devices.com

----- Original Message -----

From: ark ook

To: databenders@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:30 PM

Subject: [databenders] Re: intro

Nice to meet ya, dolljunkie.

What part of S.Tx are you from?? I'm living in San Antonio at the
moment...really desolate...not a huge fan of this city.  ;_;

"Robert Green" <NoMoldYet@...> wrote:

>I'm from the northern wasteland. A tourist town nearly
>devoid of culture in northern lower Michigan.

midwest side!

we've got michigan, illinois... i'm in indianapolis.  if anyone
has contacts with the venues in their town, we could set up a
midwest databender show of some sort.  i wouldn't expect anyone
who's not on the list to show up (unless there's already a burgeoning
noise scene in your town), but it could be a fun evening of strange
sounds & ideas nonetheless.

***begin sig
"Boy, I love Moby! I can't wait to steal from him!"
mp3: http://www.mp3.com/stAllio
awia: http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~awia
label: http://badtaste.gabber.org

On Mon, 3 Dec 2001, stAllio! nGsta wrote:
> "Robert Green" <NoMoldYet@...> wrote:
>
> we've got michigan, illinois... i'm in indianapolis.  if anyone
> has contacts with the venues in their town, we could set up a
> midwest databender show of some sort.  i wouldn't expect anyone
> who's not on the list to show up (unless there's already a burgeoning
> noise scene in your town), but it could be a fun evening of strange
> sounds & ideas nonetheless.

NW Ohio in the house. I'm in Bowling Green, OH, just south of Toledo. I
just recently joined the list. Text-image-audio translation is a fairly
significant component of much of the music i'm involved with. I've been
working recently taking work composed by other means, opening it as raw
text in Word, and making semi-random find-and-replace edits in the text,
then opening the modified text document with Soundhack. It makes for some
interesting, frequently subtle, distortions.

I also run sound and book Sunday shows for a club here in BG, and might be
able to swing some sort of data-benders night if enough folks were
interested.

-shawn

Shawn P. Wilbur / Libertatia Laboratories
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At 04:31 PM 12/3/01 -0500, Shawn P. Wilbur wrote:

>NW Ohio in the house. I'm in Bowling Green, OH, just south of Toledo.

...and now from the other end of the Ohio turnpike as well -- Kent, OH...

  I too have spent some time in CoolEditPro opening and editing .exe, .doc
and .txt (as well as .jpg and .tif's) then taking the resulting files
and chopping them into approximations of drum kits. It makes for some
non-traditional sounds and interesting loops ;)

  Does anybody have some short .mp3 examples of databending?
(other than what's in the file section of course...)

-Mike

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Listen  | http://www.mp3.com/tofu
Consume | http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/cds/74/74870.html

tofu <tofu@...> wrote:
> Does anybody have some short .mp3 examples of databending?
>(other than what's in the file section of course...)

short samples?  no.  i have a bunch of wavs lying around on my
drive, but they're not online or anything.

i have posted links to various mp3s of mine that have utilized
data, though usually not exclusively.  you can search the archive
& find my posts easily, i'd think.

***begin sig
"Boy, I love Moby! I can't wait to steal from him!"
mp3: http://www.mp3.com/stAllio
awia: http://www.sensoryresearch.com/~awia
label: http://badtaste.gabber.org

vancouver, bc, canada

i imagine thats several hours *northwest* of chicago.

phil


>Peoria, Illinois
>
>(3 hrs south of chicago)
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ark ook" <astrald@...>
>To: <databenders@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2001 5:30 PM
>Subject: [databenders] Re: intro
>
>
> > Nice to meet ya, dolljunkie.
> >
> > What part of S.Tx are you from?? I'm living in San Antonio at the
> > moment...really desolate...not a huge fan of this city.  ;_;
> >
> > How about other people on the list?? I'm curious as to where most
> > people are from...if there is a high concentration of benders/etc
> > anywhere...you know.


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Late one night I was really bored and somehow got the idea of
cutting and pasting chuncks of data between WAV files in an attempt
to do something interesting with notepad.  I re-name two kick drum
samples and after producing about 10 or so bad files I get something
that sounds like... hell, I don't know, harsh, loud, scratchy?  I
tried at least 30 more times to get something like that again but
nothing worked.  I put it in some musical music I was working on and
really haven't tried again.

    I was just wondering if anybody has gotten this to work before and
if there might be some more organized way of doing it.  I tried
switching same-sized chunks between identical places without any
hearable results...

    -Kevin Kleber
     www.mp3.com/mullingtonfamily (Circuit-bent noise from San Diego,
free show Dec. 8th!)

(Mac:) I want to convert sound to image for processing, then back to
sound again, but I can't seem to get started. So far, I've tried
SoundHack, SoundApp, GraphicConverter and ACDsee. Is there a
particular audio format I should be using? How do you fool a graphic
program into opening a sound file? They seem too "smart" and reject
wrongly formatted files.

Thanks for any help :)
--
http://www.musicwomb.org/

I'm "from" South Dakota, but living in NE Pennsylvania. Scranton, to be
precise, a runner-up for armpit of the nation, according to this weekend's
Washington Post!

I organize (hah!) a small performance series, Alternative to Noise, at a
local non-profit gallery. I dabble in circuit-bending and various
noise-generations on the computer. Still haven't found any software as
satisfying as "RGS" for the Amiga. :::sigh::: real-time granular
synthesis--a great performance instrument.

anyway.


--the Other Michael

"Recycling other people's culture since 1970"


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----- Original Message -----

From: NoMoldYet@...

I'd like to set up a little site for databenders to upload MP3s. I
should be getting a new puter soon so I'll be able to experiment
some more. Hopefully I can get a site together next monthy, if
enough people are interested. Let me know.

sounds like you're ready for databending. try this group and check out the
archives for ideas.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/databenders

somebody posted yesterday about opening wav files in word and running random
"find and replace" operations on them and then saving them as wav files
again. havent tried it but it sound neat.

all of my recent work involves sound synthesis from raw data. have also
played around a bit with altering sound files on the level of pure data.
they're great avenues to pursue; highly recommend it.

phil

>    Late one night I was really bored and somehow got the idea of
>cutting and pasting chuncks of data between WAV files in an attempt
>to do something interesting with notepad.  I re-name two kick drum
>samples and after producing about 10 or so bad files I get something
>that sounds like... hell, I don't know, harsh, loud, scratchy?  I
>tried at least 30 more times to get something like that again but
>nothing worked.  I put it in some musical music I was working on and
>really haven't tried again.
>
>    I was just wondering if anybody has gotten this to work before and
>if there might be some more organized way of doing it.  I tried
>switching same-sized chunks between identical places without any
>hearable results...
>
>    -Kevin Kleber
>     www.mp3.com/mullingtonfamily (Circuit-bent noise from San Diego,
>free show Dec. 8th!)


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Im from Toronto Canada .... lots of data benders around here....
but for the most part we are all shy... ;)
neil...