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;-)


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I'm confused...So if you're performing live, my solution would also
work, no? I don't see why not. :-) Automate the pan control for the
length of the project you're working in, so even if you change tempo
the panner will follow. I'm not sure I can imagine a situation where
this wouldn't work, as I mentioned before. Pan automation is "real
time", just like a plugin. A plug must be setup ahead of time, so
does automation.
So I'm not sure why a plug is any different (as far as panning goes)
to automation (help me here).
In Pro Tools (and I'm sure in Sonar as well) you simply draw a
triangle wave across the track(s) you wish to automate in one swipe.
To turn the effect on/off, turn automation on/off on that track.
Takes maybe 5 seconds, and can be done with a project playing or
stopped. Maybe Sonar can't do this as easily, but surely this is the
cheapest solution, no?

What do you see as the difference/limitations between automation and
a plug? Just thinking outside the box here - just because it's
"automation" doesn't mean you can't use it as a real time effect. I
do it all the time! What am I missing?

Giles

On Aug 1, 2008, at 3:30 AM, differentskies@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> e: VST Panner
> Posted by: "Bill Fox" billyfox@...   ultramusicman
> Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:24 pm (PDT)
>
> Giles Reaves wrote:
> > I've never used a panning plugin, and I use panning all the time
> > (some may say TOO much of the time)! So my approach is totally free,
> > totally flexible, and can be done on any DAW. There shouldn't be any
> > limitations to this approach, and it has many advantages. Maybe
> > you're looking for something different here, but I always consider
> > the free approach first!
> >
> I'm looking for a VST plugin (software) for real time use. (I can
> automate pan in SONAR so no need for a panning plugin there.) Plus I
> definitely need a freebie. My pension pays the mortgage. Everything
> else comes out of savings which won't last forever. I need to stretch
> it until the house is paid off... or get a job but all the laid off
> engineers in my area who haven't relocated just for the sake of work,
> are all competing for the night shift at McDonald's!
> > OTOH, if you're talking hardware, the old PanScan is still one of
> the
> > coolest outboard panners ever made, and I made good use of it on my
> > early albums.
> >
> Good to know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Looks like we picked a good year to have a "lean" stage!

Good star-gazing, Mike!

GIles

On Aug 1, 2008, at 3:30 AM, differentskies@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Load-in snag: who are these people and why are they on our stage?!
> Posted by: "Mike Metlay" metlay@...   mmetlay
> Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:55 pm (PDT)
>
> So it seems Arcosanti has started a series of Jazz concerts
> entitled "Second
> Sunday", and in September that happens to be the day we all arrive.
> The stage
> will be occupied by a bunch of jazz musicians until at least 6 PM,
> and we can
> forget any serious load-in until well after dinner. Plan
> accordingly, and
> don't be too disappointed if we aren't set up and good to go quite
> as fast as
> we managed last year.
>
> mike



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 1 Aug 2008, at 15:48, Giles Reaves wrote:

> So I'm not sure why a plug is any different (as far as panning goes)
> to automation (help me here).
> In Pro Tools (and I'm sure in Sonar as well) you simply draw a
> triangle wave across the track(s) you wish to automate in one swipe.
> To turn the effect on/off, turn automation on/off on that track.
> Takes maybe 5 seconds, and can be done with a project playing or
> stopped. Maybe Sonar can't do this as easily, but surely this is the
> cheapest solution, no?
>
> What do you see as the difference/limitations between automation and
> a plug?

You can't change the rate of automated panning without also changing
the tempo.

You can't easily switch to a different panning waveform.

You can't modulate up to audio rates and back down to very low rates
in a single sweep.

You can't easily assign panning controls to a control surface.

You have to use a DAW when maybe you just want to load some plugs
into Chainer, etc

Apart from that, they're identical. :-)

Richard (who doesn't use autopanning much)

Most hosts can handle pan automation curves arbitrary of tempo, and are not
restricted by curves and panning waveforms - at least not in Samplitude.
It's just panning.  You shouldn't even be restricted to triangle curves
exclusively.
If using MIDI cc #'s, then it's easy to automate panning with controllers - if
the application handles controller numbers, then you don't even need a
host/chainer, etc.
The host otherwise handles the curves for recording the curves, but if you're
using a stand-alone panner, then you should be able to manipulate it using a
controller, and not even need a host.

Greg

******



----- Original Message ----
From: Richard Wentk <richard@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 1, 2008 8:07:22 AM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Re: VST Panner


On 1 Aug 2008, at 15:48, Giles Reaves wrote:

> So I'm not sure why a plug is any different (as far as panning goes)
> to automation (help me here).
> In Pro Tools (and I'm sure in Sonar as well) you simply draw a
> triangle wave across the track(s) you wish to automate in one swipe.
> To turn the effect on/off, turn automation on/off on that track.
> Takes maybe 5 seconds, and can be done with a project playing or
> stopped. Maybe Sonar can't do this as easily, but surely this is the
> cheapest solution, no?
>
> What do you see as the difference/limitations between automation and
> a plug?

You can't change the rate of automated panning without also changing
the tempo.

You can't easily switch to a different panning waveform.

You can't modulate up to audio rates and back down to very low rates
in a single sweep.

You can't easily assign panning controls to a control surface.

You have to use a DAW when maybe you just want to load some plugs
into Chainer, etc

Apart from that, they're identical. :-)

Richard (who doesn't use autopanning much)


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My situation is this.  I have no money to add hardware.  That's OK
because I need to limit setup and tear down time as well as the amount
of gear that I carry.  The item to be panned is a sound inside EnergyXT
triggered by the drummer from MIDI pads.  My audio interface has no more
inputs left to use for effect returns.  The only solution is a VST
plugin.  It doesn't weigh anything and it doesn't require any extra set
up or tear down time at a gig.  I'm not using ProTools or Sonar.
EnergyXT is the VST host and it just sits there with whatever VSTs I've
programmed into it.

While your solution would work just fine, it just isn't the right
solution for my situation.  All of my synth work with Pinnacle is
software based, including all effects required by the softsynths.

Cheers,

Bill

Giles Reaves wrote:
> I'm confused...So if you're performing live, my solution would also
> work, no? I don't see why not. :-) Automate the pan control for the
> length of the project you're working in, so even if you change tempo
> the panner will follow. I'm not sure I can imagine a situation where
> this wouldn't work, as I mentioned before. Pan automation is "real
> time", just like a plugin. A plug must be setup ahead of time, so
> does automation.
> So I'm not sure why a plug is any different (as far as panning goes)
> to automation (help me here).
> In Pro Tools (and I'm sure in Sonar as well) you simply draw a
> triangle wave across the track(s) you wish to automate in one swipe.
> To turn the effect on/off, turn automation on/off on that track.
> Takes maybe 5 seconds, and can be done with a project playing or
> stopped. Maybe Sonar can't do this as easily, but surely this is the
> cheapest solution, no?
>
> What do you see as the difference/limitations between automation and
> a plug? Just thinking outside the box here - just because it's
> "automation" doesn't mean you can't use it as a real time effect. I
> do it all the time! What am I missing?
>

On 1 Aug 2008, at 18:11, Greg Hurley wrote:

> Most hosts can handle pan automation curves arbitrary of tempo, and
> are not restricted by curves and panning waveforms - at least not
> in Samplitude.

Automation != performance

Richard

Rus,

some other tidbits a friend turned me onto...

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/24/resolume-3-will-merge-audio-effects-bea\
t-sync-with-visuals/

VST control of visuals:
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/17/vvvv-adds-music-features-get-your-synes\
thesia-patching-on-free-on-windows/#comment-523480

Greg

*****

--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, "Rus Foster"
<paintswithsound@...> wrote:
>
> Cool. I'll take a look at it and let you know what happens.
>
>
> Rus
>
>
> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Phil Raymondo
> <philraymondo@> wrote:
> >
> > Rus:
> >
> > I know you'll be handling the video for DS08, and I wanted to pass
along
> > this freebie that I read about in the latest EM. It's called ArtsSync,
> > and it takes information from an audio file and uses it to process
> > real-time video input or a video file on your drive. It's a patch for
> > Max/MSP that runs under the free Max runtime app or the full
commercial
> > version. Might be something to take a look at.
> >
> > I hope this link comes across intact and works:
> > www.hkbu.edu.hk/~lamer/download.htm
> >
> > Phil
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour
> >
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnkrBD6DEWyS2unBhUT33F3hS0cF\
86sOOYW3x8yICc9T55/
> >
>

after speaking with Mike last night, I've decided to throw my hat in
the ring and offer my assistance with video for DS08.  As a newbie,
please understand that it is not my intention to replace Rus, but
merely offer assistance to him and/or any other performers that wish
it.  Mike has asked me to bring along my video projector (as a back
up), and I've decided to augment my load with a small video rig.  I
have a digital video mixer and will have a couple of DVD players and
camera(s).

anyone curious enough to wonder what kind of video I do can get a
sampling of recent (and some not so recent) projects at my Killer
Haven YouTube site at
http://www.youtube.com/user/killerhaven


Oh, and BTW, keep those links, suggestions, and helpful hints coming.
I'm getting back into video after a 10+ year hiatus, so I'm a LOT
behind on technology...


Best wishes to all,
Kevin


On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:35 AM, Greg wrote:

> Rus,
>
> some other tidbits a friend turned me onto...
>
>
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/24/resolume-3-will-merge-audio-effects-bea\
t-sync-with-visuals/
>
> VST control of visuals:
>
http://createdigitalmusic.com/2008/07/17/vvvv-adds-music-features-get-your-synes\
thesia-patching-on-free-on-windows/#comment-523480
>
> Greg
>
> *****
>
> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, "Rus Foster"
> <paintswithsound@...> wrote:
> >
> > Cool. I'll take a look at it and let you know what happens.
> >
> >
> > Rus
> >
> >
> > --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Phil Raymondo
> > <philraymondo@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rus:
> > >
> > > I know you'll be handling the video for DS08, and I wanted to pass
> along
> > > this freebie that I read about in the latest EM. It's called
> ArtsSync,
> > > and it takes information from an audio file and uses it to process
> > > real-time video input or a video file on your drive. It's a
> patch for
> > > Max/MSP that runs under the free Max runtime app or the full
> commercial
> > > version. Might be something to take a look at.
> > >
> > > I hope this link comes across intact and works:
> > > www.hkbu.edu.hk/~lamer/download.htm
> > >
> > > Phil
> > > __________________________________________________________
> > > Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/
> hour
> > >
> >
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nEnkrBD6DEWyS2unBhUT33F3hS0cF\
86sOOYW3x8yICc9T55/
> > >
> >
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Kevin

Rus here. Thanks for the offer. Turns out I might have to take you up
on the use of your projector. Had been expecting a modest bonus at
work after tax season settled, but that turned out to be a major
disappointment. So, gotta find other means of rounding out my own
video rig. If I can't secure a projector by mid Sept, we may have to
use yours. Just a couple of tangential questions:

1. Regarding your video mixer, does it have at least four S-video
inputs? Using a simple video switcher at the moment, but it's rather
primitive. Would prefer an actual video mixer if it were possible.

2. Do you have approx 100 ft. of S-video cable to run from the video
rig to the projector for Different Skies? That would be a safe
estimate of distance between the two elements, considering past setups
there.

Here's my rig thus far, excluding said video projector:

a) Computer One - using Livid Union software

b) Computer Two - using ArKaos software

c) Computer Three - using specially selected Winamp visualizations.
Also using ArKaos secondarily, if needed.

d) M Audio keyboard controller for ArKaos software.

e) one DVD deck for running pre-generated visuals in case of technical
emergency regarding any of the previous elements.

f) basic 4 channel S-video switcher


Regarding the camera(s), both the Livid and ArKaos software will
accept live video inputs for simultaneous processing. One each, I
think. All I would need to do is get a couple of Firewire cards and
we're set. They're cheap, so it's no big financial dent.

Here's the breakdown of people otherwise involved with the video
presentation  for DS08:

Jeff Kunzelman - wishes to provide complete video content for his
proposed program piece. Estimated length of 7-8 minutes. That's one
song I'm not doing anything special for.

Hong Waltzer - wishes to contribute video content at some point to
some degree, but I'm as yet unclear on the details of either. She is a
wiz with ArKaos, and uses it often when she accompanies her husband
Greg back home at live shows. Plus, she was the primary provider of
visual graphics for Different Skies year before last. That's one
additional piece I can probably count myself out on creatively.


Also, I've created a fully animated 3D graphic video that is approx 8
and a half minutes in length. Mike has seen it and has
enthusiastically signed off on it. Hopefully, it will either be the
show opener or the final piece. That leaves me an estimated 65 minutes
of remaining time to perform actual video presentation duties with the
gear listed above...for the night of the show, that is. I'll have all
week to do additional experimenting and exploring as the material
develops. By show night, I should have distinct customized visuals for
each piece on the program that I am responsible for.

BTW, I'd love to talk shop with you about video presentation once we
converge at DS this year. I'm a literal newbie to this field, although
I've messed around with video editing currently and in the past. I sit
amazed at what I can do with current technology sometimes, and
appreciate the fact that I'm around to enjoy it. What I've learned so
far with the Livid software alone has certainly prepared me for the
Different Skies event. Seeing it up on a super-large screen will be a
thrill in and of itself, although I'm sure the feeling will wane a bit
as the week progresses.

Looking forward to meeting you at DS08,


Rus

I stand corrected - all good ideas here, and the audio rate panning
is something that would seriously appeal to me (since I already use
that effect in my JP8000)!

Giles

On Aug 2, 2008, at 3:13 AM, differentskies@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Re: VST Panner
> Posted by: "Richard Wentk" richard@...   scaryflares
> Fri Aug 1, 2008 8:07 am (PDT)
>
> You can't change the rate of automated panning without also changing
> the tempo.
>
> You can't easily switch to a different panning waveform.
>
> You can't modulate up to audio rates and back down to very low rates
> in a single sweep.
>
> You can't easily assign panning controls to a control surface.
>
> You have to use a DAW when maybe you just want to load some plugs
> into Chainer, etc
>
> Apart from that, they're identical. :-)
>
> Richard (who doesn't use autopanning much)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I have a Videonics MX-1 mixer.  Yes, (4) S-VIDEO inputs.  I'll have
> a preview monitor, and we'll have plenty of time for you to get
> familiar with how the mixer functions.

I do not have long S-Video cables.  Greg/Hong, is this something you
could include in your pack?

Rus, your rig sounds like the kind of fun I used to have when I VJ'ed
for raves, art openings, and a dance club back in the 90s.  Look
forward to trading chops/ideas at DS08.


btw since I'm NOT bringing my GR-30, I MAY ask to play around with any
other GK type rigs at DS08...

On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Rus Foster wrote:

> Kevin
>
> Rus here. Thanks for the offer. Turns out I might have to take you up
> on the use of your projector. Had been expecting a modest bonus at
> work after tax season settled, but that turned out to be a major
> disappointment. So, gotta find other means of rounding out my own
> video rig. If I can't secure a projector by mid Sept, we may have to
> use yours. Just a couple of tangential questions:
>
> 1. Regarding your video mixer, does it have at least four S-video
> inputs? Using a simple video switcher at the moment, but it's rather
> primitive. Would prefer an actual video mixer if it were possible.
>
> 2. Do you have approx 100 ft. of S-video cable to run from the video
> rig to the projector for Different Skies? That would be a safe
> estimate of distance between the two elements, considering past setups
> there.
>
> Here's my rig thus far, excluding said video projector:
>
> a) Computer One - using Livid Union software
>
> b) Computer Two - using ArKaos software
>
> c) Computer Three - using specially selected Winamp visualizations.
> Also using ArKaos secondarily, if needed.
>
> d) M Audio keyboard controller for ArKaos software.
>
> e) one DVD deck for running pre-generated visuals in case of technical
> emergency regarding any of the previous elements.
>
> f) basic 4 channel S-video switcher
>
> Regarding the camera(s), both the Livid and ArKaos software will
> accept live video inputs for simultaneous processing. One each, I
> think. All I would need to do is get a couple of Firewire cards and
> we're set. They're cheap, so it's no big financial dent.
>
> Here's the breakdown of people otherwise involved with the video
> presentation for DS08:
>
> Jeff Kunzelman - wishes to provide complete video content for his
> proposed program piece. Estimated length of 7-8 minutes. That's one
> song I'm not doing anything special for.
>
> Hong Waltzer - wishes to contribute video content at some point to
> some degree, but I'm as yet unclear on the details of either. She is a
> wiz with ArKaos, and uses it often when she accompanies her husband
> Greg back home at live shows. Plus, she was the primary provider of
> visual graphics for Different Skies year before last. That's one
> additional piece I can probably count myself out on creatively.
>
> Also, I've created a fully animated 3D graphic video that is approx 8
> and a half minutes in length. Mike has seen it and has
> enthusiastically signed off on it. Hopefully, it will either be the
> show opener or the final piece. That leaves me an estimated 65 minutes
> of remaining time to perform actual video presentation duties with the
> gear listed above...for the night of the show, that is. I'll have all
> week to do additional experimenting and exploring as the material
> develops. By show night, I should have distinct customized visuals for
> each piece on the program that I am responsible for.
>
> BTW, I'd love to talk shop with you about video presentation once we
> converge at DS this year. I'm a literal newbie to this field, although
> I've messed around with video editing currently and in the past. I sit
> amazed at what I can do with current technology sometimes, and
> appreciate the fact that I'm around to enjoy it. What I've learned so
> far with the Livid software alone has certainly prepared me for the
> Different Skies event. Seeing it up on a super-large screen will be a
> thrill in and of itself, although I'm sure the feeling will wane a bit
> as the week progresses.
>
> Looking forward to meeting you at DS08,
>
> Rus
>
>
>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Cool. Thanks. I'm fairly certain I'll be bringing a Roland GR30 with
my humble guitar rig, so you can noodle with that. Will you be needing
a guitar as well?

RF

--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Killer Haven
<BurningArtist@...> wrote:
>
> > I have a Videonics MX-1 mixer.  Yes, (4) S-VIDEO inputs.  I'll have
> > a preview monitor, and we'll have plenty of time for you to get
> > familiar with how the mixer functions.
>
> I do not have long S-Video cables.  Greg/Hong, is this something you
> could include in your pack?
>
> Rus, your rig sounds like the kind of fun I used to have when I VJ'ed
> for raves, art openings, and a dance club back in the 90s.  Look
> forward to trading chops/ideas at DS08.
>
>
> btw since I'm NOT bringing my GR-30, I MAY ask to play around with any
> other GK type rigs at DS08...
>
> On Aug 2, 2008, at 12:15 PM, Rus Foster wrote:
>
> > Kevin
> >
> > Rus here. Thanks for the offer. Turns out I might have to take you up
> > on the use of your projector. Had been expecting a modest bonus at
> > work after tax season settled, but that turned out to be a major
> > disappointment. So, gotta find other means of rounding out my own
> > video rig. If I can't secure a projector by mid Sept, we may have to
> > use yours. Just a couple of tangential questions:
> >
> > 1. Regarding your video mixer, does it have at least four S-video
> > inputs? Using a simple video switcher at the moment, but it's rather
> > primitive. Would prefer an actual video mixer if it were possible.
> >
> > 2. Do you have approx 100 ft. of S-video cable to run from the video
> > rig to the projector for Different Skies? That would be a safe
> > estimate of distance between the two elements, considering past setups
> > there.
> >
> > Here's my rig thus far, excluding said video projector:
> >
> > a) Computer One - using Livid Union software
> >
> > b) Computer Two - using ArKaos software
> >
> > c) Computer Three - using specially selected Winamp visualizations.
> > Also using ArKaos secondarily, if needed.
> >
> > d) M Audio keyboard controller for ArKaos software.
> >
> > e) one DVD deck for running pre-generated visuals in case of technical
> > emergency regarding any of the previous elements.
> >
> > f) basic 4 channel S-video switcher
> >
> > Regarding the camera(s), both the Livid and ArKaos software will
> > accept live video inputs for simultaneous processing. One each, I
> > think. All I would need to do is get a couple of Firewire cards and
> > we're set. They're cheap, so it's no big financial dent.
> >
> > Here's the breakdown of people otherwise involved with the video
> > presentation for DS08:
> >
> > Jeff Kunzelman - wishes to provide complete video content for his
> > proposed program piece. Estimated length of 7-8 minutes. That's one
> > song I'm not doing anything special for.
> >
> > Hong Waltzer - wishes to contribute video content at some point to
> > some degree, but I'm as yet unclear on the details of either. She is a
> > wiz with ArKaos, and uses it often when she accompanies her husband
> > Greg back home at live shows. Plus, she was the primary provider of
> > visual graphics for Different Skies year before last. That's one
> > additional piece I can probably count myself out on creatively.
> >
> > Also, I've created a fully animated 3D graphic video that is approx 8
> > and a half minutes in length. Mike has seen it and has
> > enthusiastically signed off on it. Hopefully, it will either be the
> > show opener or the final piece. That leaves me an estimated 65 minutes
> > of remaining time to perform actual video presentation duties with the
> > gear listed above...for the night of the show, that is. I'll have all
> > week to do additional experimenting and exploring as the material
> > develops. By show night, I should have distinct customized visuals for
> > each piece on the program that I am responsible for.
> >
> > BTW, I'd love to talk shop with you about video presentation once we
> > converge at DS this year. I'm a literal newbie to this field, although
> > I've messed around with video editing currently and in the past. I sit
> > amazed at what I can do with current technology sometimes, and
> > appreciate the fact that I'm around to enjoy it. What I've learned so
> > far with the Livid software alone has certainly prepared me for the
> > Different Skies event. Seeing it up on a super-large screen will be a
> > thrill in and of itself, although I'm sure the feeling will wane a bit
> > as the week progresses.
> >
> > Looking forward to meeting you at DS08,
> >
> > Rus
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Otso

did you need a guitar for anything this year? Wasn't sure what you had
hoped to do this time, and heard no mention of guitar.

RF

Approx how many structured pieces are currently being developed, or in
various stages of completion? Trying to get a thematic grasp of
submitted stuff, so i can get an idea of what visual content to use
with it. Even if I only have a little bit to go on at this point.
Anything's better than nothing. Gracias.


RF

Giles Reaves wrote:
> I stand corrected - all good ideas here, and the audio rate panning
> is something that would seriously appeal to me (since I already use
> that effect in my JP8000)!
Oooo!  Audio rate panning.  Do you have a small sound byte of what that
sounds like that you can share?

Cheers,

Bill

> Approx how many structured pieces are currently being developed, or in
> various stages of completion?

That reminds me - I have one in an early stage of conception.

I want to do a fractal sequencer piece. Something which is heavily
pulse-structured, but with detail at a large range of timescales, from
the fiddly clicky gracenote stuff to long chords and deep events every
sixteen bars - or more. I have a whole "seven-of-this-one-of-that"
thing in my head, but with several seven-of-this's in a nest at once.
I would title it FRACT-L but I think I've been beaten to that idea.

I still need to do the maths - are we still aiming for ten minutes
per? I suppose I should really record and upload something, but
actually, I'm not sure if I want to do that - perhaps the concept
should stew for a bit first.

Meanwhile, here's a piece of listening homework: the song that kicked
off the idea for the structure in the first place. It's by Tangerine
Dr ... - haha! Just kidding, Marty! - DUALITY by Lisa Gerrard and
Pieter Bourke, track 1: SHADOW MAGNET.

	 -- N.


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I'm still working on a 'structured' piece that is becoming more of a framework.
washy, arpeggiated, jazz-ish voicings, minor-ish scales feel (so far), lots of
room for soloing.

However, I'll be scoring for a 48-hour film competition next weekend (hence the
delay in getting anything submitted), so some of those pieces may weave their
way into DS08 - so everything is subject to change.

Greg

*****



----- Original Message ----
From: Rus Foster <paintswithsound@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 10:53:55 AM
Subject: [differentskies] Program Pieces so far

Approx how many structured pieces are currently being developed, or in
various stages of completion? Trying to get a thematic grasp of
submitted stuff, so i can get an idea of what visual content to use
with it. Even if I only have a little bit to go on at this point.
Anything's better than nothing. Gracias.


RF


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Bill Fox wrote:

> Oooo! Audio rate panning. Do you have a small sound byte of what that
> sounds like that you can share?

Here's a quick and dirty SuperCollider example with raw tones:

http://doubtfulpalace.com/temp/audio_rate_pan.mp3

The panning oscillator starts at 0.5 Hz and sweeps up to 110 Hz, exactly
two octaves below the 440 Hz tone being panned.

Basically, it sounds like amplitude modulation, because that's what it
is, but has the extra effect of stereoizing a mono signal.

For a more musical (I hope) example, check the melody I play at 16:45 of
"Snap To Focus" on the Different Skies DVD/CD. I don't remember the
exact ratio I used on that patch, but it's an integer division of the
note frequency.

--

Tim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com

We have about eight proposals at the moment, one of which involves working
with a video chunk that Jeff is bringing with him. Unfortunately my list is on
a Postit Note on my desk at work, so I don't have details, but:

Greg W has a piece he wants folks to work on
Otso has his Berlin Kindergarten piece that folks have already dived in on
Tim has a piece folks have started working on parts for
Greg H has the guitar piece he's structuring
Jeff's video inspired piece


I might do something, but I'm not sure, and there are a couple I'm blanking on
at the moment.

mike



Rus Foster wrote:
> Approx how many structured pieces are currently being developed, or in
> various stages of completion? Trying to get a thematic grasp of
> submitted stuff, so i can get an idea of what visual content to use
> with it. Even if I only have a little bit to go on at this point.
> Anything's better than nothing. Gracias.
>
>
> RF
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--
And would anyone like to watch me try to make a leap from this
topic back to the topic of this forum? I bet I can do it without
missing the edge and falling into the gap between the skyscrapers.
> < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > < > <
mike metlay / atomiccity.com / mindspiral.com / differentskies.com

I have yet another piece. I don't want to do two unless by some unlikely
chance everyone who wants to lead has already done so, but it could be a
backstop in case the other piece proves too difficult, or just doesn't fit.

The good news: it's relatively simple, would lend itself well to a space
music arrangement (which could be quite impromptu), and is about the
right length.

The bad news: it requires vocals. Any singers in the house?

--

Tim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com

On 2.8.2008, at 20.40, Rus Foster wrote:

> did you need a guitar for anything this year? Wasn't sure what you had
> hoped to do this time, and heard no mention of guitar.

Just to remind you:

On 20.4.2008, at 20.08, Rus Foster wrote:
> Sure :) Need any basic FX stomp boxes to go with that? I got a nice
> DOD tube distortion pedal, a Boss compressor and an extra chorus
> pedal. Batteries not included ;)

So, yes, please! That strat I borrowed from you last year was great,
stomp boxes are welcome, too!

Otso


>
>
>
>
>
> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Otso Pakarinen <otso@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Rus, can I persuade you to lend me a guitar again this year? :-)
>>
>> Otso
>>
>> On 20.4.2008, at 4.34, Rus Foster wrote:
>>
>>> Sounds good to me. I was figuring on just bringing my guitar rig
>>> anyway :) We'll just have to make sure Hong is in the visual command
>>> chair on that particular piece.
>>>
>>>
>>> RF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <siriusbliss@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I think I count at least 5 guitars at DS08.
>>>>
>>>> Would you guys be up for some sort of a 'bombastic' 5-guitar
>>>> oriented
>>>> piece?
>>>> This not excluding piezo-acoustic, MIDI, and/or effects.
>>>> I am considering coming up with a 5-part guitar-centered (or maybe
>>>> add
>>>> in a Stick) composition.
>>>>
>>>> Bill? Rus? Otso????
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Rus,

If it helps your visual planning, here is the demo of my piece:
<http://www.ozoneplayer.com/DS/berlin_kindergarten_v2.mp3>

Otso

On 2.8.2008, at 20.53, Rus Foster wrote:

> Approx how many structured pieces are currently being developed, or in
> various stages of completion? Trying to get a thematic grasp of
> submitted stuff, so i can get an idea of what visual content to use
> with it. Even if I only have a little bit to go on at this point.
> Anything's better than nothing. Gracias.
>
>
> RF
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

Nick Rothwell wrote:
> I would title it FRACT-L but I think I've been beaten to that idea.
How about this?  Frac Tell

Cheers,

Bill

Tim Walters wrote:
> Bill Fox wrote:
>> Oooo! Audio rate panning. Do you have a small sound byte of what that
>> sounds like that you can share?
> Here's a quick and dirty SuperCollider example with raw tones:
> http://doubtfulpalace.com/temp/audio_rate_pan.mp3
Thanks!

Cheers,

Bill

Okee doke. I'll have it all ready for you. By the way, will you need
to borrow a guitar too? :)

Just kidding.


RF


--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Otso Pakarinen <otso@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 2.8.2008, at 20.40, Rus Foster wrote:
>
> > did you need a guitar for anything this year? Wasn't sure what you had
> > hoped to do this time, and heard no mention of guitar.
>
> Just to remind you:
>
> On 20.4.2008, at 20.08, Rus Foster wrote:
> > Sure :) Need any basic FX stomp boxes to go with that? I got a nice
> > DOD tube distortion pedal, a Boss compressor and an extra chorus
> > pedal. Batteries not included ;)
>
> So, yes, please! That strat I borrowed from you last year was great,
> stomp boxes are welcome, too!
>
> Otso
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Otso Pakarinen <otso@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Rus, can I persuade you to lend me a guitar again this year? :-)
> >>
> >> Otso
> >>
> >> On 20.4.2008, at 4.34, Rus Foster wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sounds good to me. I was figuring on just bringing my guitar rig
> >>> anyway :) We'll just have to make sure Hong is in the visual command
> >>> chair on that particular piece.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> RF
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <siriusbliss@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey, I think I count at least 5 guitars at DS08.
> >>>>
> >>>> Would you guys be up for some sort of a 'bombastic' 5-guitar
> >>>> oriented
> >>>> piece?
> >>>> This not excluding piezo-acoustic, MIDI, and/or effects.
> >>>> I am considering coming up with a 5-part guitar-centered (or maybe
> >>>> add
> >>>> in a Stick) composition.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill? Rus? Otso????
> >>>>
> >>>> Greg
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Otso

Yes, that actually DID help :) Thanks for the post. Got some ideas
brewing for it already. Nice arrangement, too. Looking forward to
hearing come to life at DS.


RF


--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Otso Pakarinen <otso@...> wrote:
>
> Rus,
>
> If it helps your visual planning, here is the demo of my piece:
> <http://www.ozoneplayer.com/DS/berlin_kindergarten_v2.mp3>
>
> Otso
>
> On 2.8.2008, at 20.53, Rus Foster wrote:
>
> > Approx how many structured pieces are currently being developed, or in
> > various stages of completion? Trying to get a thematic grasp of
> > submitted stuff, so i can get an idea of what visual content to use
> > with it. Even if I only have a little bit to go on at this point.
> > Anything's better than nothing. Gracias.
> >
> >
> > RF
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

On 3 Aug 2008, at 15:00, Bill Fox wrote:

> How about this?  Frac Tell

I was thinking Fract-El who I think was Superman's father.

	 -- N.


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Nick Rothwell wrote:
> On 3 Aug 2008, at 15:00, Bill Fox wrote:
>
>> How about this?  Frac Tell
>>
> I was thinking Fract-El who I think was Superman's father.
No.  Supe's dad was Jor-El.  Fract-El was the derelict uncle no one
would speak about in polite society.

Cheers,

Bill