john.krikawa wrote:
> speaking of Behringer....
> does anyone have experience with the BCR2000?
> ....looking for a few extra knobs for direct synth control.  J3
> mentioned using a nanoKontrol with the M50, but it "appears" that
> since it's USB only, that it needs a computer connection as well.
> nanoKontrol would be enough knobs and I like the size, but shit while
> I'm at it the BCR2000 looks really sweet for the price.
I know that Howard has either the BCR or the BCF, I forget which.  I
remember it looking useful but I have no personal, hands-on experience
with it.  I'm still using my old Peavy PC1600 which was built like a
tank.  A BCR2000 always seemed like it would be a good addition to my
rig... just as soon as I need extra knobs.  Perhaps I'll eventually
develop the need with running softsynths.

Cheers,

Bill

Good morning,

After listening to the Winter Stream Concert I became
interested in "playing" the alpenhorn (alphorn). Way,
WAY back I heard a man playing one "into the echoes"
at Mayfield Lake on US 12 in Washington State. The
memory has never left me. I've never heard anything like
it since.

William Hopson of Calgary, Canadan, hand-makes Alphorns
and has a recording of playing into the echoes at Banff,
but that recording is very thin compared to what I heard.
Mayfield lake is surrounded nearby sheer cliffs, and
the echoes were vastly richer and thicker.

Wikipedia has an article, and I have learned enough sight-
reading to follow the scales produced by an alphorn.

Back In Time records has one (1) alphorn patch for the
Alesis Fusion (I have a Fusion), but the sample does not
produce the echoes. The delay that I heard was similar
to a multi-tap delay, or a multi-track delay unit like the
Electo-Harmonix 2880 that can record and overdub and
feed back the sound for up to 60 minutes with a 2 Gigabyte
Compact Flash card.

Google turned up a group, Stimmhorn, but they do not play
the alphorn, although they do yodel wonderfully well and
play Swiss music with tubas.

The search also turned up a paper on peer-to-peer (P2P)
performance (like Shane did at Winter Stream) that briefly
discusses "the alpenhorn effect."

Finally, Rocky Mountain Alphorns sponsors several retreats
in the USA (Utah) and Austria (Bregenz), with individual
instruction, apparently even for beginners. Appealing, but
carrying around an instrument that is 12 to 13 feet long is
a bit daunting. And an alphorn costs CA$4600. Whoa. That
is two Andromeda A6's, possible but not in today's economy.
Gotta eat, buy propane and pay for the house...

So, speaking of alpenhorns...

Has anyone played one electronically, and gotten the resonance
and echoes to a point where they felt satisfied? If so...

What was the patch/instrument and how did you get the long
delays for the echoes?

Thanks in advance,

Heidi AKA Slate  :-)

"It's not a clam, it's a creature!" —Terry Austin, girl PI

Jonathan Mills wrote:

> After listening to the Winter Stream Concert I became
> interested in "playing" the alpenhorn (alphorn). Way,
> WAY back I heard a man playing one "into the echoes"
> at Mayfield Lake on US 12 in Washington State. The
> memory has never left me. I've never heard anything like
> it since.

I've seen/heard somebody playing one into Bryce Canyon in Utah.

> Wikipedia has an article, and I have learned enough sight-
> reading to follow the scales produced by an alphorn.

I believe an alphorn just produces the natural harmonic series. Listen
to a trumpet player warming up.

  > And an alphorn costs CA$4600. Whoa. That
> is two Andromeda A6's, possible but not in today's economy.

Plus you have to include the cost of the canyon.

> So, speaking of alpenhorns...
>
> Has anyone played one electronically, and gotten the resonance
> and echoes to a point where they felt satisfied? If so...

> What was the patch/instrument and how did you get the long
> delays for the echoes?

There are some kindasorta alphornish sounds in my VL1 physical modeler,
but they're not authentic. Driving them with an EWI, you can get them to
change pitch by overblowing, but not on the correct harmonic series.
They're played like a normal woodwind.

For the reverb, my first inclination would be to try one of the
convolution reverbs. Some of them have impulse responses from places
like mountains and canyons. (boots Logic) Ah. Like "Mountain Echoes" or
"Deep Canyon."

Another option would be to use several instances of a long delay line,
set to different delays, on buses, feeding a single reverb in your DAW.

Brian

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The AM/FM Show has two alternating hosts.  When I am at the helm, expect
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                 Show #147                February 28, 2009.

On this program, I continued the special on Sequences electronic music
magazine.  Each contemporary issue comes with a CD.  However, the early
isses came with a cassette.  The cassettes from issues one through
thirteen have been remastered and are now available on CDR in plastic
slip covers with artwork and track details.  Details are at:
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Phase I/Space:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
VA [R. Gleisberg]    Initiation Ceremony  Sequences No. 5
VA [Haze]            Dig Them Mushrooms   Sequences No. 5
VA [Fonya]           unknown              Sequences No. 5
VA [R. S. Thompson]  Starlight            Sequences No. 5
Phrozenlight         Wet Seasonic         Autumn (none)
Robert Rich and      Zerkalo Part 6       Zerkalo (Faria)
   Faryus
Synth.nl             Stratosphere         AtmoSphere (Groove)
Syndromeda           First Dream          The Twilight Conjunction
                                             (Ricochet Dream)
Jeffrey Koepper      Rising Sun           Radiate (Ricochet Dream)


Phase II/Eclectic:

Pre-empted to expand Phases I and III.


Phase III/Progressive Rock:

ARTIST               TRACK                ALBUM (label)
==================== ==================== ==============================
VA [Flamborough      Daughters of Night   Dante's Inferno (Musea)
   Head]
VA [Colossus         Inferno - Canto X    Dante's Inferno (Musea)
   Project]
Andrew Gorczyca      From This Day        Reflections - An Act of Glass
                        Forward              (ProgRock)
Talisma              Introssimo           Quelque Part (Unicorn)
Frost                Dear Dead Days       Experiments In Mass Appeal
                                             (InsideOut)
Frost                Falling Down         Experiments In Mass Appeal
                                             (InsideOut)
Unitopia             Journey's Friend     The Garden (InsideOut)


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come with each issue of Sequences electronic music magazine.

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A similar instrument, at a much cheaper price, is the Tibetan Rag
Dung. These are as long as 35 ft but you can buy much shorter ones.
Also they break down into nested sections so you don't need a timber
truck for cartage. The monks at Emory play them regularly for
ceremonies on Campus (We have the Dali Lama in residence here so it
happens much more often than you would think at a southern methodist
university). The sound is incredible, especially with a group playing
at once. A gym can make a surprisingly complex canyon if overloaded
with sound.

Anyhoo, in answer to your synth emulation question, I'd try some sort
of physically modeled synth, since they model the overtone series as
their adaptation of  PB.  When I get a chance, I'll try to knock up
some sound samples on my oasys & on my yamaha vl card (yes I know the
vl's  on a motif- one of yr most hated synths, but this is the type
of thing it's good for-with BC of course).

As for verb & fx, I agree with Brian that convolution is the way to
go for this. Also cross patching a multi-tap delay into the verb at
some point (using a low vol send either b/f or after the verb ideally
mapped to a controller)) might  help with the complexity of the whole
system.

Klimchak

On Mar 1, 2009, at 8:27 AM, Jonathan Mills wrote:

>
> Good morning,
>
> After listening to the Winter Stream Concert I became
> interested in "playing" the alpenhorn (alphorn). Way,
> WAY back I heard a man playing one "into the echoes"
> at Mayfield Lake on US 12 in Washington State. The
> memory has never left me. I've never heard anything like
> it since.
>
> William Hopson of Calgary, Canadan, hand-makes Alphorns
> and has a recording of playing into the echoes at Banff,
> but that recording is very thin compared to what I heard.
> Mayfield lake is surrounded nearby sheer cliffs, and
> the echoes were vastly richer and thicker.
>
> Wikipedia has an article, and I have learned enough sight-
> reading to follow the scales produced by an alphorn.
>
> Back In Time records has one (1) alphorn patch for the
> Alesis Fusion (I have a Fusion), but the sample does not
> produce the echoes. The delay that I heard was similar
> to a multi-tap delay, or a multi-track delay unit like the
> Electo-Harmonix 2880 that can record and overdub and
> feed back the sound for up to 60 minutes with a 2 Gigabyte
> Compact Flash card.
>
> Google turned up a group, Stimmhorn, but they do not play
> the alphorn, although they do yodel wonderfully well and
> play Swiss music with tubas.
>
> The search also turned up a paper on peer-to-peer (P2P)
> performance (like Shane did at Winter Stream) that briefly
> discusses "the alpenhorn effect."
>
> Finally, Rocky Mountain Alphorns sponsors several retreats
> in the USA (Utah) and Austria (Bregenz), with individual
> instruction, apparently even for beginners. Appealing, but
> carrying around an instrument that is 12 to 13 feet long is
> a bit daunting. And an alphorn costs CA$4600. Whoa. That
> is two Andromeda A6's, possible but not in today's economy.
> Gotta eat, buy propane and pay for the house...
>
> So, speaking of alpenhorns...
>
> Has anyone played one electronically, and gotten the resonance
> and echoes to a point where they felt satisfied? If so...
>
> What was the patch/instrument and how did you get the long
> delays for the echoes?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Heidi AKA Slate :-)
>
> "It's not a clam, it's a creature!" —Terry Austin, girl PI
>
>
>



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One of the folks in the VFX group has built a set of controls for the
VFX synthesis parameters, so it's definitely flexible.

  --- Joe M.

On 20 Feb 2009, at 16:12, Greg Hurley wrote:

> hundreds of people in hooded robes walking a single-file lines up
> the mountain to their EM 'mecca' at the top.

And verily, did they await the legendary Changing of the Tapes, while
murmuring the holy incantation "whats-e-playin-then".

	 -- N.


Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
www.cassiel.com
www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
www.last.fm/music/cassiel
www.reverbnation.com/cassiel
www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel
www.loadbang.net

On 23 Feb 2009, at 19:01, Allen Goodman wrote:

> So I'm not sure why non (well very few of you) have taken advantage
> of the repeated offers to play live.

A few reasons here: (i) the timezone difference, (ii) the fact that
I'm three miles from my local exchange and can only get about 300Kbps
upload speed when backed by a stiff wind, and (iii) I actually rather
like being on a real stage with six-foot-tall blonde Croatian dancers.
None of these in insurmountable, though - except perhaps for (iii).
Can I stream from a four-year-old 1.xxx GHz PPC Mac mini?

	 -- N.


Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
www.cassiel.com
www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
www.last.fm/music/cassiel
www.reverbnation.com/cassiel
www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel
www.loadbang.net

seems like (ii) is the nearly but not quite insurmountable one.
(iii): anything is possible at 3-4am, go with your heart baby.

you could probably stream from a 733MHz machine no problem; it doesn't
appear that there is much of an overhead issue with the small little
apps i've browsed lately.

A heard a tune of yours on DKs show last night, you little shredder
you. nice.
-jk

--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Nick Rothwell <nick@...> wrote:
>
>
> On 23 Feb 2009, at 19:01, Allen Goodman wrote:
>
> > So I'm not sure why non (well very few of you) have taken advantage
> > of the repeated offers to play live.
>
> A few reasons here: (i) the timezone difference, (ii) the fact that
> I'm three miles from my local exchange and can only get about 300Kbps
> upload speed when backed by a stiff wind, and (iii) I actually rather
> like being on a real stage with six-foot-tall blonde Croatian dancers.
> None of these in insurmountable, though - except perhaps for (iii).
> Can I stream from a four-year-old 1.xxx GHz PPC Mac mini?
>
>  -- N.
>
>
> Nick Rothwell / Cassiel.com Limited
> www.cassiel.com
> www.myspace.com/cassieldotcom
> www.last.fm/music/cassiel
> www.reverbnation.com/cassiel
> www.linkedin.com/in/cassiel
> www.loadbang.net
>

Hello, all!

Thanks to Brian and Klimchak for their suggestions.

What I ended up doing was constrained by things like the
polyphony of my Fantom-X6, the fact that I don't have
Reaktor or Supercollider (I do have Cubase and Logic
Express 8 but seldom use them), am a hardware guy, and
desire to stay as close to a live performance.

First I got a diagram of Mayfield lake and spotted in
the cliffs as I recall them. Estimated the distances and
computed the time it would take a major echo (normal to
the cliff face w.r.t. the player) to return, based on
the speed of sound in 50°F air (it was cold that morning).
All the other stuff was ignored——just as in ray-tracing,
there is a point of diminishing returns, and it occurs
faster for the ear than the eye.

Then I gave up the idea of playing totally live, as there
was no way I could figure out to delay the original input
automatically 3s, 5s, and 10s and attenuate each echo. A
convolution reverb could do that (canyon models exist) but
it would probably require a lot of computation to do it in
real time, and I don't have Otso's rig!

Instead I recorded a piece in the Fantom X-6 MIDI sequencer
and tried to copy the track, offsetting it and lowering the
volume (velocity) in each copy. The polyphony, even at 128
voices, was quickly used up by the third track. On the fourth,
even with voice stealing, it sounded pretty ragged with a lot
of dropout. Ugly.

BTW, the difficulty recording the original track was SILENCE.
It is hard NOT to play, even knowing that the silence will be
an integral part of the piece (gotta hear the echoes, y'know?),
but last year, even when we were supposed to be silent for a
while on one piece, the quiet never lated long. This kind of a
piece would be a mental challenge, eh?

So, since I couldn't do this on the Fantom I played the MIDI
recording back into the EH-2880. First the track was recorded
on the EH-2880 at a moderate volume (too high, and it clips even
if the clip LEDs don't light) and did that for each of the four
tracks, offsetting tracks 2, 3 and 4 by 3s, 5s, and 10s.

Once that was done, the loop was replayed, adjusting the tracks
to get a pleasing echo based on attenuation that was roughly a
polynomial function (as far as setting the position of the
faders went).

The final output had that ethereal but majestic (and mystic)
quality that I heard years ago, yet wasalso  "sweet."

It's a bit early for DS'09, but this kind of a piece as a three
phase performance might do well:

    Phase 1: Alphorns with all your cool reverbs etc.
    Phase 2: Fast arpeggiated piano & organ with voices on top
         of the alphorn loop
    Phase 3: Close back to the alphorns and fade 'em out.

Very ambient, very "spacey," yet with a nice lively bridge in
the middle. And hey, this one is "DS friendly"——it's in the
key of F (as most alphorns are :-) and...AND...

I have MIDI!!! You want a score, ah kin make ya' a score!

:-)   :-)   :-)

Last observations: this style of music-making is very much like
designing a pipelined digital computer architecture with
functional units that have different operation times (logic is
faster than integer multiply/divide is faster than floating
point). I've done that and enjoy the mental twists it imposes,
but the Grand Master Of Us All was Seymour Cray (CDC 6600 and
Cray XMP). Not only was he GOOD——and first too——but he spent his
spare time digging tunnels on his property.

Gotta like that unusual combination of mind and hobby.

Cheers & thanks again,

Slate

"It's not a clam, it's a creature!" —Terry Austin, girl PI

Fellow acolytes of the secret teachings of Iieah-Absinthe-Shoggoth:

I received this in my inbox this morning, and felt it would be appreciated by
many here -- especially given Allen's propensity to channel the Elder Gods
during his radio voiceovers now and then.

Enjoy.

<http://www.theonion.com/content/news/lovecraftian_school_board_member>



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On 27 Feb 2009, at 17:44, john.krikawa wrote:

>
> I think J3 meant that they were 128 kbps MP3's, which probably comes
> out file size-wise to a few megs per commercial-length song.

As a rough guide, a 128k MP3 will be about 10-15% of the size of a
standard WAV. So a standard CD will be about 80M compressed.

> How small you could make a listenable mp3 is primarily determined by
> what you consider listenable and what your intent is.  Encoding at
> 16kbps is probably in the audio arts realm :) It also depends on the
> material a bit.

It depends on the material a lot. Any perceptual technique is going
to depend on the entropy (complexity) of the audio. When there's not
much happening, it's easy to throw a lot of the data away and not
hear much of a difference.

> You can hear a significant difference in higher
> frequency tones as you go, all the way up to 128kbps, the
> high-frequency effects being lesser as you go from there.  If I rip a
> CD in iTunes for my hardisk library, I usually do it at 192 kbps VBR.
>  In the car, it probably wouldn't make much difference over 128, but
> if I ever crank it up in the house, I don't want to be bothered with
> the high-frequency effects.

I've found that AAC+ is very much nicer than MP3, which is an old,
old technology now.

With AAC+ you can compress down to 64k and the music still sounds
believable. Sometimes you can go down to 32k and it still doesn't
sound too squawky.

Richard

I haven't used m-pee-3's for years now.
1990 technology antiquated crap.

FLAC or ogg is much better.

I think AAC tends to roll off the bottom-end.

Greg

*****





________________________________
From: Richard Wentk <richard@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 12:33:14 PM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Re: MP3s



On 27 Feb 2009, at 17:44, john.krikawa wrote:

>
> I think J3 meant that they were 128 kbps MP3's, which probably comes
> out file size-wise to a few megs per commercial-length song.

As a rough guide, a 128k MP3 will be about 10-15% of the size of a
standard WAV. So a standard CD will be about 80M compressed.

> How small you could make a listenable mp3 is primarily determined by
> what you consider listenable and what your intent is.  Encoding at
> 16kbps is probably in the audio arts realm :) It also depends on the
> material a bit.

It depends on the material a lot. Any perceptual technique is going
to depend on the entropy (complexity) of the audio. When there's not
much happening, it's easy to throw a lot of the data away and not
hear much of a difference.

> You can hear a significant difference in higher
> frequency tones as you go, all the way up to 128kbps, the
> high-frequency effects being lesser as you go from there.  If I rip a
> CD in iTunes for my hardisk library, I usually do it at 192 kbps VBR.
>  In the car, it probably wouldn't make much difference over 128, but
> if I ever crank it up in the house, I don't want to be bothered with
> the high-frequency effects.

I've found that AAC+ is very much nicer than MP3, which is an old,
old technology now.

With AAC+ you can compress down to 64k and the music still sounds
believable. Sometimes you can go down to 32k and it still doesn't
sound too squawky.

Richard




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We haven't made an official announcement yet, but I want to post a
heads-up here.
The dates for electro-music 2009 are October 29-31. (In Bloomingdale, NJ)
This is much closer to Different Skies than I would have liked, but it
turns out to be the only weekend the venue is available to us.
I hope this won't be too inconvenient, as there are a few people who
like to attend both. Hopefully we won't lose too many of you.
More details to follow.

On 2 Mar 2009, at 22:43, Greg Hurley wrote:

> I haven't used m-pee-3's for years now.
> 1990 technology antiquated crap.
>
> FLAC or ogg is much better.

FLAC is uncompressed, so it would be. ;-)

> I think AAC tends to roll off the bottom-end.

AAC+ != AAC

I always use FLAC anyway, but AAC+ has become a kind of standard for
the professional audio codec people, so it can't be too bad.

Richard

--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@...> wrote:
>
> We haven't made an official announcement yet, but I want to post a
> heads-up here.
> The dates for electro-music 2009 are October 29-31. (In
Bloomingdale, NJ)

Ouch.  Any chance of a west coast event in the future?

Ivan

At 11:17 PM 3/2/2009, Ivan wrote:
>--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@...> wrote:
> >
> > We haven't made an official announcement yet, but I want to post a
> > heads-up here.
> > The dates for electro-music 2009 are October 29-31. (In
>Bloomingdale, NJ)
>
>Ouch.  Any chance of a west coast event in the future?
>
>Ivan

I hear there's something in Arizona. ;-P

John

--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, John Mahoney <jmahoney@...> wrote:
>
> I hear there's something in Arizona. ;-P
>

Indeed; I'll be there!

Ivan

Hi, which week in Oct. is DS 2009 (and are the dates definite)? Thanks

--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@...> wrote:

> From: Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@...>
> Subject: [differentskies] electro-music 2009
> To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:03 PM
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> Bloomingdale, NJ)
>
> This is much closer to Different Skies than I would have
> liked, but it
>
> turns out to be the only weekend the venue is available to
> us.
>
> I hope this won't be too inconvenient, as there are a
> few people who
>
> like to attend both. Hopefully we won't lose too many
> of you.
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October 19 - 24, 2009

According to Mike those dates are final.

Ivan


--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Jeannie Allen
<earthgirlvibes@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, which week in Oct. is DS 2009 (and are the dates definite)? Thanks

Hey gang. Sorry I haven't been very conspicuous lately. Been working
in the background round the clock, as it were, on my new twisted
brainchild called Vortextures. It debuts this coming Monday March 9,
and will regularly air every Monday on Stillstream. You'll need to
check the Official Stillstream Clock widget at Stillstream.com to
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General promotional information can be found on the Stillstream main
page, and additional promo details can be found by clicking the links
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The 60 minute weekly program is an amalgam of formats that meld
together in coerced harmony :) Part interview/part history lesson/part
Behind-The-Music/part Phil Hendrie. With a smattering of Basil
Rathbone thrown in for good measure.

Vortextures....a weekly exploration into the technical world of
ambient electronic music. Where we spotlight prominent instruments,
and the technology, that gave us the sounds uniquely associated with
ambient electronic music. If you've ever wondered how those sounds
were created, then you won't want to miss a single minute of this
informative and entertaining weekly series.


Rus

--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Jonathan Mills <shamaniaq@...> wrote:


> The final output had that ethereal but majestic (and
> mystic) quality that I heard years ago, yet was also
> "sweet."

OK, let's agree that it's only my opinion! You can hear the
full song, "Mayfield Lake," at www.reverbnation.com/shamaniac.

If you want to run the alphorn part through a convolution
reverb, or anything else you think would produce a more
realistic ambient sound, send me an email and I will post
either an AAC, WAV or Apple Lossless file to zShare or
whatever place will hold a file of that size. You can even
have the MP3, or the MIDI file if you have a "real" alphorn
patch and want to do a bang-up job. I'd enjoy hearing your
version.

There is no doubt that this can be done better with better
patches and better tools. Or put another way...

"Me still cave newbie. Make music with stick and rock. No
have Roktor or MegaCollidon but kill Mammoth tune. Play raw.
But strange peoples of pale skin and big forehead make Ogg
fear. Powerful they. Must catch and eat brain. Get much mana."

——from "10,000 B.C: Quest for Music"

:-)

Cheers!

Slate

"It's not a clam, it's a creature!" —Terry Austin, girl PI

Yes, we hope to do something in the bay area, if we can work out the
venue and logistics.

Ivan wrote:

> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:differentskies%40yahoogroups.com>, Greg Waltzer
> <egwaltzer@...> wrote:
> >
> > We haven't made an official announcement yet, but I want to post a
> > heads-up here.
> > The dates for electro-music 2009 are October 29-31. (In
> Bloomingdale, NJ)
>
> Ouch. Any chance of a west coast event in the future?
>
>

--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, we hope to do something in the bay area, if we can work out the
> venue and logistics.
>

Well outside the Bay Area would be good to make it affordable.

Ivan

come on out to San Diego :)

Greg

  ******




________________________________
From: Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2009 5:23:39 AM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Re: electro-music 2009


Yes, we hope to do something in the bay area, if we can work out the
venue and logistics.

Ivan wrote:

> --- In differentskies@ yahoogroups. com
> <mailto:differentsk ies%40yahoogroup s.com>, Greg Waltzer
> <egwaltzer@. ..> wrote:
> >
> > We haven't made an official announcement yet, but I want to post a
> > heads-up here.
> > The dates for electro-music 2009 are October 29-31. (In
> Bloomingdale, NJ)
>
> Ouch. Any chance of a west coast event in the future?
>
>




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Rus Foster wrote:
>Hey gang. Sorry I haven't been very conspicuous lately.
>Been working in the background round the clock, as it
>were, on my new twisted brainchild called Vortextures.
>It debuts this coming Monday March 9, and will regularly
>air every Monday on Stillstream.

Ya know, I was just wondering last night where you'd disappeared to. Now
I know. Break a leg!

Phil
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Suggestions are welcome.
Here's a place under consideration:
http://www.visitasilomar.com/default.aspx

Ivan wrote:

> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:differentskies%40yahoogroups.com>, Greg Waltzer
> <egwaltzer@...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, we hope to do something in the bay area, if we can work out the
> > venue and logistics.
> >
>
> Well outside the Bay Area would be good to make it affordable.
>
> Ivan
>
>

Wow, did a "double-take" on that first photo - looks a bit like
someone we all know, no?

~Giles

On Mar 3, 2009, at 1:33 AM, differentskies@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> OT: Your morning cup of Cthulhu
> Posted by: "D. K. Herpich" tepmuseq@...   tepmuseq
> Mon Mar 2, 2009 10:04 am (PST)
>
>
> Fellow acolytes of the secret teachings of Iieah-Absinthe-Shoggoth:
>
> I received this in my inbox this morning, and felt it would be
> appreciated by many here -- especially given Allen's propensity to
> channel the Elder Gods during his radio voiceovers now and then.
>
> Enjoy.
>
> <http://www.theonion.com/content/news/
> lovecraftian_school_board_member>
>
> =====



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--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Greg Waltzer <egwaltzer@...> wrote:
>
> Suggestions are welcome.
> Here's a place under consideration:
> http://www.visitasilomar.com/default.aspx
>

I'm there!  Just give me a date.  Looks great!

Ivan

--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Giles Reaves <gilesreaves@...>
wrote:
>
> Wow, did a "double-take" on that first photo - looks a bit like
> someone we all know, no?


Someone's sinister and older doppelganger.

Ivan