Mythbusters filming both days - no idea what other than we'll be at the
Mare Island Naval Base, and there will be a lot of us. (No pictures
allowed, sigh.) I'll tell you all about it once I'm allowed to.


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Hey,

All you Mountains Skies folks: have a blast!!!!!!!

Is there any streaming going on?  Yes? send links.

Best Wishes,
-jk

Yea. . boogie woogie in that rarified mountain air.

Fog



   _____

From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of parityflux
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 23:05
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [differentskies] break a leg on a rocky cliff in the mountains





Hey,

All you Mountains Skies folks: have a blast!!!!!!!

Is there any streaming going on? Yes? send links.

Best Wishes,
-jk





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Today, Friday, May 11, the Soundscapes Concert Series returns to the
Nazareth Center for the Arts with Broekhuis, Keller, and Schönwälder
from Germany at 8 pm.  Doors open at 7:30 pm.  The NCA is located at 30
Belvidere Street, Nazareth, PA 18064 just off of Route 191 on the
southwest corner of Belvidere Street and South Spruce Street.  Admission
is FREE.  A donation is requested to pay the musicians and support the
art center so that these concerts may continue.

Broekhuis, Keller, and Schönwälder consists of Dutch drummer /
percussionist and sound technician Bas Broekhuis, German keyboard player
and sequencing specialist Detlef Keller, and German sound designer Mario
Schönwälder.

Since September 1994, these three can be found on stage on a regular
basis having performed in France, the UK, Poland, the Netherlands,
Italy, and Germany.  They have a discography that includes ten albums.

These three friends always have a lot of fun with their musical
adventures.  Broekhuis and Keller have a technical background,
developing, altering, and repairing instruments and other electronic
devices.  They do the bulk of the programming in the band.  Schönwälder
is the organizational mind, taking care of album releases, concert
planning, and the oh so beloved bookkeeping.

The Soundscapes Concert Series is the concert companion to the Galactic
Travels radio program on WDIY-FM and to Thought Radio on WMUH-FM and
presents electronic music to the Lehigh Valley. This is the concert
series that presented Wave World (Netherlands), Dean DeBenedictis & Vic
Hennegan (California), Bernhard Wosteinrich (Germany), Robert Rich
(California), vidnaObmana (Belgium), The Ministry of Inside Things
(Philadelphia), Richard Lainhart (New York), Orbital Decay (Quakertown),
Mark Jenkins (UK), Mikronesia (Philadelphia), The Tangent Project
(Philadelphia), Technicolor Travel Agency (Poconos), and Twyndyllyngs
(Lehigh Valley) to local audiences.

THE SOUNDSCAPES CONCERT SERIES:
http://soundscapes.us

NAZARETH CENTER FOR THE ARTS:
http://nazaretharts.com

GALACTIC TRAVELS:
http://galactictravels.info

THOUGHT RADIO:
http://soundscapes.us/thoughtradio

Carol needs to install iOS 5.1 on her iPhone 3GS.  When she does so she gets a
warning that all of her apps and data will be written over.  All of her
important business contact information is in the phione.  Consequently, she is
afraid to install the new OS.  I am not sufficiently iOS aware to give advice
since the only thing in my iPad is music apps and a few games.  I thought that
the whole purpose of iTunes synch was to back things up.  Can somebody give her
advice?

Thanks in advance

J3


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You can backup the whole device using iCloud (once you setup an account), and
then dump it back after the update - IF necessary..

I doubt you'll have any problems though.   Just updated mine last night with no
issues.  Seemless.
It's only a minor update anyways.  Not a whole new OS.



Greg

 
*****



________________________________
  From: Moss Parker <moss_parker@...>
To: Different Skies <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 4:12 PM
Subject: [differentskies] Backing up iPhone to install iOS 5.1


 
Carol needs to install iOS 5.1 on her iPhone 3GS.  When she does so she gets a
warning that all of her apps and data will be written over.  All of her
important business contact information is in the phione.  Consequently, she is
afraid to install the new OS.  I am not sufficiently iOS aware to give advice
since the only thing in my iPad is music apps and a few games.  I thought that
the whole purpose of iTunes synch was to back things up.  Can somebody give her
advice?

Thanks in advance

J3

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Assuming you're upgrading from 4.0 or earlier:

From the Apple "updating to iOS5" document:

As part of the update and restore process, iTunes will (in order):

    1. Back up key elements of your device, such as settings, Contacts,
    Calendars, Notes, and your Camera Roll1. iTunes *will not*, however,
    back up media content from your iOS device, such as music, apps, books,
    movies, and TV shows.

https://www.macworld.com/article/1162925/how_to_upgrade_your_ios_device_to_ios_5\
.htmlhas
the skinny.


Once you finish the
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Carol needs to install iOS 5.1 on her iPhone 3GS.  When she does so she
> gets a warning that all of her apps and data will be written over.  All of
> her important business contact information is in the phione.  Consequently,
> she is afraid to install the new OS.  I am not sufficiently iOS aware to
> give advice since the only thing in my iPad is music apps and a few games.
> I thought that the whole purpose of iTunes synch was to back things up.
> Can somebody give her advice?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> J3
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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I want to make sure of this before she does something.  She got her 3GS 3 weeks
after it was introduced, it has not been updated since then.  It definitely does
not have iOS 4;

J3



________________________________
  From: Joe McMahon <joe.mcmahon@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Backing up iPhone to install iOS 5.1

Assuming you're upgrading from 4.0 or earlier:

From the Apple "updating to iOS5" document:

As part of the update and restore process, iTunes will (in order):

   1. Back up key elements of your device, such as settings, Contacts,
   Calendars, Notes, and your Camera Roll1. iTunes *will not*, however,
   back up media content from your iOS device, such as music, apps, books,
   movies, and TV shows.

https://www.macworld.com/article/1162925/how_to_upgrade_your_ios_device_to_ios_5\
.htmlhas
the skinny.


Once you finish the
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Carol needs to install iOS 5.1 on her iPhone 3GS.  When she does so she
> gets a warning that all of her apps and data will be written over.  All of
> her important business contact information is in the phione.  Consequently,
> she is afraid to install the new OS.  I am not sufficiently iOS aware to
> give advice since the only thing in my iPad is music apps and a few games.
> I thought that the whole purpose of iTunes synch was to back things up.
> Can somebody give her advice?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> J3
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> 
>


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------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links



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You'll be fine I've done this with other peoples phones all the time. Just make
sure you let iTunes do a backup before you do the install. Since she's on 3 you
might have to upgrade to 4 first before 5 I've never tried this path.


Sent from my iPad

On May 11, 2012, at 10:47 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:

> I want to make sure of this before she does something.  She got her 3GS 3
weeks after it was introduced, it has not been updated since then.  It
definitely does not have iOS 4;
>
> J3
>
> ________________________________
> From: Joe McMahon <joe.mcmahon@...>
> To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 10:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [differentskies] Backing up iPhone to install iOS 5.1
>
> Assuming you're upgrading from 4.0 or earlier:
>
> From the Apple "updating to iOS5" document:
>
> As part of the update and restore process, iTunes will (in order):
>
>   1. Back up key elements of your device, such as settings, Contacts,
>   Calendars, Notes, and your Camera Roll1. iTunes *will not*, however,
>   back up media content from your iOS device, such as music, apps, books,
>   movies, and TV shows.
>
>
https://www.macworld.com/article/1162925/how_to_upgrade_your_ios_device_to_ios_5\
.htmlhas
> the skinny.
>
> Once you finish the
> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Carol needs to install iOS 5.1 on her iPhone 3GS.  When she does so she
> > gets a warning that all of her apps and data will be written over.  All of
> > her important business contact information is in the phione.  Consequently,
> > she is afraid to install the new OS.  I am not sufficiently iOS aware to
> > give advice since the only thing in my iPad is music apps and a few games.
> > I thought that the whole purpose of iTunes synch was to back things up.
> > Can somebody give her advice?
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> >
> > J3
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Hi John-John,
Had a great first day of all different styles of electro-music. There is no
stream available. Paul Harrimann played his Eigenharp which I never saw before
yesterday. It reminds me of a Z-Tar but longer with many more buttons. He is
giving a workshop today at 1 pm which I look forward to attending! No cliffs
here to fall off, only a second story balconey in the theater!
 
Take care
Ed


________________________________
From: John DuVal <darkstr1746@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 3:20 AM
Subject: RE: [differentskies] break a leg on a rocky cliff in the mountains


 
Yea. . boogie woogie in that rarified mountain air.

Fog

_____

From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of parityflux
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 23:05
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [differentskies] break a leg on a rocky cliff in the mountains

Hey,

All you Mountains Skies folks: have a blast!!!!!!!

Is there any streaming going on? Yes? send links.

Best Wishes,
-jk

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As some of you, I play bass in a band called Reconnaissance Fly (along with
Polly Moller, Amar Chaudhary, Chris Broderick, and longtime Electronic Musician
columnist Larry The O). Our current focus is settings of computer-generated spam
poetry.

We're working on our debut album, and have a three-song demo up, recorded
(almost) live in the studio:

http://reconnaissancefly.bandcamp.com

It's not electronic, but it's fairly prog-tastic, and I think y'all might enjoy
it.

had a blast!!! great to see some of my DS friends...


On May 12, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Edward Siedzik wrote:

> Hi John-John,
> Had a great first day of all different styles of electro-music.
> There is no stream available. Paul Harrimann played his Eigenharp
> which I never saw before yesterday. It reminds me of a Z-Tar but
> longer with many more buttons. He is giving a workshop today at 1 pm
> which I look forward to attending! No cliffs here to fall off, only
> a second story balconey in the theater!
>
> Take care
> Ed
>
> ________________________________
> From: John DuVal <darkstr1746@...>
> To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 3:20 AM
> Subject: RE: [differentskies] break a leg on a rocky cliff in the
> mountains
>
>
> Yea. . boogie woogie in that rarified mountain air.
>
> Fog
>
> _____
>
> From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com
> ]
> On Behalf Of parityflux
> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 23:05
> To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [differentskies] break a leg on a rocky cliff in the
> mountains
>
> Hey,
>
> All you Mountains Skies folks: have a blast!!!!!!!
>
> Is there any streaming going on? Yes? send links.
>
> Best Wishes,
> -jk
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>



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Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1.  She thinks see backed everything up to iTunes
and to iCloud.  Now she has no contacts.  She threw the thing at me and is
apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow.  Her lifeblood was that
contracts list.  iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore anything,
although it supposedly lets you back stuff up.  Happy fucking Mothers Day, !
Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.


J3


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> Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1.  She thinks see backed everything up to
iTunes and to iCloud.  Now she has no contacts.

Ugh.  A buddy of mine just lost all of his info too.  Same guy who lost
all of his blogs from several years when he converted from mobileme to
the cloud.  He is livid...

There are several web sites that I love that are still hosted at
homepage.mac.com.  As far as I know Apple is killing them all off in
June, so I've been contacting the owners to make sure they convert to
some other hosting service.  I'm not sure how many people realize that
this is happening...

It's sure making me glad I have an android phone with all of my contacts
backed up in a google account and that I'm hosting my web files
elsewhere...

Good luck sir!

Live by the Apple, Die by the Apple.

But that's being discriminatory; live by the computer, die by the computer.

(sent via computer)

:-)

Fog



   _____

From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Moss Parker
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 18:04
To: Different Skies
Subject: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat





Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1.  She thinks see backed everything up to
iTunes and to iCloud.  Now she has no contacts.  She threw the thing at me
and is apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow.  Her lifeblood was
that contracts list.  iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore
anything, although it supposedly lets you back stuff up.  Happy fucking
Mothers Day, ! Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.

J3

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It's possible if she had used gmail at any point her contacts might be stored at
google. Worth a check. Also they might be in outlook or the contacts app if on a
Mac. Usually the phone isn't the only repository for contacts.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 13, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:

> Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1.  She thinks see backed everything up to
iTunes and to iCloud.  Now she has no contacts.  She threw the thing at me and
is apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow.  Her lifeblood was that
contracts list.  iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore anything,
although it supposedly lets you back stuff up.  Happy fucking Mothers Day, !
Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.
>
> J3
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

John, some possible things here:

https://www.macworld.com/article/1153389/recover_lost_contacts.html

On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1.  She thinks see backed everything up to
> iTunes and to iCloud.  Now she has no contacts.  She threw the thing at me
> and is apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow.  Her lifeblood
> was that contracts list.  iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore
> anything, although it supposedly lets you back stuff up.  Happy fucking
> Mothers Day, ! Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.
>
> J3
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>


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I would've used iCloud only and avoided using iTunes for backup, since iTunes
seems at best only able to handle hard files such as mp3's that are sitting on
the phone.

In the past I was also able to export contact list from yahoo, etc. and import
into mobileme, and then through mobilme onto my iPhone.

So Spewgle should work the same - if it outputs a cvs file, or similar, that can
be tricked into importing via another email client onto the phone.

Greg

********

On May 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Kunzelman <jeff@...> wrote:

> It's possible if she had used gmail at any point her contacts might be stored
at google. Worth a check. Also they might be in outlook or the contacts app if
on a Mac. Usually the phone isn't the only repository for contacts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:
>
> > Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1. She thinks see backed everything up to
iTunes and to iCloud. Now she has no contacts. She threw the thing at me and is
apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow. Her lifeblood was that
contracts list. iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore anything,
although it supposedly lets you back stuff up. Happy fucking Mothers Day, ! Knew
this upgrade thing was a bad idea.
> >
> > J3
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I don't know how bizarre this seems to the rest of you, but I find this issue a
bit insane.  How hard would it be for Apple to provide a simple tool for saving
stuff that resides on the phone so it could be backed up like any other computer
file is backed up.  I never had an iPhone, so I never had a contacts list in
any iDevice.  Well, I may have one in my iTouch because of email I've sent but
I don't much care because both it and the iPad are synched to my Yahoo
account.  How hard would it be to allow users to back their phones up through
the camera adapter USB port to a USB thumb drive?  That article that Joe sent
from Macworld actually highlights the issue and is an example of why such a
non-synch device independent method of backup is imperative.  Of all the things
that I've loved to hate about my Galaxy S Android phone, backing up important
data is not one of them.  Google has an app for that (writes the memory content
of the phone to the
  memory card).  I understand that I can get similar functionality by
jailbreaking the iDevice and running a similar third-party not Apple approved
app.  I shouldn't have to jailbreak my device just so I can make a secure
backup of its contents.  Steve Jobs is dead, time to end the insanity!


J3



________________________________
  From: Greg Hurley <siriusbliss@...>
To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com" <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat


 
I would've used iCloud only and avoided using iTunes for backup, since iTunes
seems at best only able to handle hard files such as mp3's that are sitting on
the phone.

In the past I was also able to export contact list from yahoo, etc. and import
into mobileme, and then through mobilme onto my iPhone.

So Spewgle should work the same - if it outputs a cvs file, or similar, that can
be tricked into importing via another email client onto the phone.

Greg

********

On May 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Kunzelman <jeff@...> wrote:

> It's possible if she had used gmail at any point her contacts might be stored
at google. Worth a check. Also they might be in outlook or the contacts app if
on a Mac. Usually the phone isn't the only repository for contacts.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 13, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...> wrote:
>
> > Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1. She thinks see backed everything up to
iTunes and to iCloud. Now she has no contacts. She threw the thing at me and is
apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow. Her lifeblood was that
contracts list. iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore anything,
although it supposedly lets you back stuff up. Happy fucking Mothers Day, ! Knew
this upgrade thing was a bad idea.
> >
> > J3
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Except for the little Hackintosh experiment I ran a couple years ago, this is
the main reason I would never want a Mac.  Apple forces dependency on Apple. 
For me, personally, I don't care about device dependency for my iDevices
because, for me they are just toys.   Even though I use the iPad now for music
applications, I don't look at its dependency on Apple any more strangely than
I  do the M3's dependency on Korg.  For Carol, it's a totally different
picture.  As a real estate broker, her contacts list is important to her.  If
she looses it, it means many hours of time and many thousands of dollars in
non-earnings.  After this incident, I think that she sees the value in Android
technology, even though it isn't as slick as iOS.  So, even though I curse my
Galaxy every time the touch screen locks up, or every time the camera refuses to
engage, I never feel I have data security issues.  It boggles my mind why any
person that is dependent on
  the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone.  However, it seems that
many Americans are hooked on dependency, no matter how oxymoronic that may seem.


J3



________________________________
  From: John DuVal <darkstr1746@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat


 
Live by the Apple, Die by the Apple.

But that's being discriminatory; live by the computer, die by the computer.

(sent via computer)

:-)

Fog

_____

From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Moss Parker
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 18:04
To: Different Skies
Subject: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat

Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1.  She thinks see backed everything up to
iTunes and to iCloud.  Now she has no contacts.  She threw the thing at me
and is apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow.  Her lifeblood was
that contracts list.  iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore
anything, although it supposedly lets you back stuff up.  Happy fucking
Mothers Day, ! Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.

J3

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I use a Galaxy Tablet of some sort for my job and like you I curse the thing
every time the screen locks up. The camera blows under some conditions even
though the quality isn't all that bad. I have a hell of a time synching to
my computer but that's probably because my machine is so freaking old.

  I'm envious  of the iPad and anyone that has one for it has become obvious
that I could put the worlds most bitchin' guitar set up on the thing and
record it as well. But such is the way of things. . . I stagger on, hardware
processors in hand.

Sorry about Carol's ill fortune.

Fog



   _____

From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Moss Parker
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 16:03
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat





Except for the little Hackintosh experiment I ran a couple years ago, this
is the main reason I would never want a Mac.  Apple forces dependency on
Apple.  For me, personally, I don't care about device dependency for my
iDevices because, for me they are just toys.   Even though I use the iPad
now for music applications, I don't look at its dependency on Apple any more
strangely than I  do the M3's dependency on Korg.  For Carol, it's a totally
different picture.  As a real estate broker, her contacts list is important
to her.  If she looses it, it means many hours of time and many thousands of
dollars in non-earnings.  After this incident, I think that she sees the
value in Android technology, even though it isn't as slick as iOS.  So, even
though I curse my Galaxy every time the touch screen locks up, or every time
the camera refuses to engage, I never feel I have data security issues.  It
boggles my mind why any person that is dependent on
the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone.  However, it seems that
many Americans are hooked on dependency, no matter how oxymoronic that may
seem.

J3

________________________________
From: John DuVal <darkstr1746@... <mailto:darkstr1746%40comcast.net>
>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com <mailto:differentskies%40yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat



Live by the Apple, Die by the Apple.

But that's being discriminatory; live by the computer, die by the computer.

(sent via computer)

:-)

Fog

_____

From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:differentskies%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:differentskies%40yahoogroups.com> ]
On Behalf Of Moss Parker
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 18:04
To: Different Skies
Subject: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat

Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1. She thinks see backed everything up to
iTunes and to iCloud. Now she has no contacts. She threw the thing at me
and is apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow. Her lifeblood was
that contracts list. iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore
anything, although it supposedly lets you back stuff up. Happy fucking
Mothers Day, ! Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.

J3

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My Droid X + google cloud is the best thing since sliced bread.  I guess
it's "to each his own", as are many things, but after having a windows
mobile phone and later an iTouch, I just love what the google gods have
done.  I've never lost a contact, my calendar is always accurate and I can
view it through any portal I choose.  seamless.
-jk


-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Moss Parker" <moss_parker@...>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 3:44 PM
> To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com" <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat
>
> I don't know how bizarre this seems to the rest of you, but I find this
issue a bit insane.  How hard would it be for Apple to provide a simple
tool for saving stuff that resides on the phone so it could be backed up
like any other computer file is backed up.  I never had an iPhone, so I
never had a contacts list in any iDevice.  Well, I may have one in my
iTouch because of email I've sent but I don't much care because both it and
the iPad are synched to my Yahoo account.  How hard would it be to allow
users to back their phones up through the camera adapter USB port to a USB
thumb drive?  That article that Joe sent from Macworld actually highlights
the issue and is an example of why such a non-synch device independent
method of backup is imperative.  Of all the things that I've loved to hate
about my Galaxy S Android phone, backing up important data is not one of
them.  Google has an app for that (writes the memory content of the phone
to the
>  memory card).  I understand that I can get similar functionality by
jailbreaking the iDevice and running a similar third-party not Apple
approved app.  I shouldn't have to jailbreak my device just so I can make a
secure backup of its contents.  Steve Jobs is dead, time to end the
insanity!
>
>
> J3
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Greg Hurley <siriusbliss@...>
> To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com" <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat
>
>
>
> I would've used iCloud only and avoided using iTunes for backup, since
iTunes seems at best only able to handle hard files such as mp3's that are
sitting on the phone.
>
> In the past I was also able to export contact list from yahoo, etc. and
import into mobileme, and then through mobilme onto my iPhone.
>
> So Spewgle should work the same - if it outputs a cvs file, or similar,
that can be tricked into importing via another email client onto the
phone.
>
> Greg
>
> ********
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Kunzelman <jeff@...> wrote:
>
> > It's possible if she had used gmail at any point her contacts might be
stored at google. Worth a check. Also they might be in outlook or the
contacts app if on a Mac. Usually the phone isn't the only repository for
contacts.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 13, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...>
wrote:
> >
> > > Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1. She thinks see backed everything up
to iTunes and to iCloud. Now she has no contacts. She threw the thing at me
and is apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow. Her lifeblood was
that contracts list. iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore
anything, although it supposedly lets you back stuff up. Happy fucking
Mothers Day, ! Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.
> > >
> > > J3
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"It boggles my mind why any person that is dependent on
  the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone."

I like my multiple Mac computers but really dislike this "Cloud" paradigm. You
would believe how many times I'm with someone with an iPhone or iPad who can't
get the info they need because they can't get a connection.  My Blackberry
stores everything on it, not in the Cloud.   And synchronizes very well with my
Macs using the Blackberry Desktop program.

My biggest is that I trust nobody but myself with my data. I have a RAID. I do
multiple hard drive backups. One is kept in a fireproof safe. I've had wacky
glitches in software and I can go back and get a recent copy from my backups if
needed. Things don't just "disappear" like they do for some people on the Cloud.

I'm pretty pissed off that I've been paying for me.com for a few years  and now
they're forcing me to move to the iCloud. Its a mess.

As an aside, I run a copy of Thunderbird on my machines but mainly use Mail. 
That way I'm certain my mail stays reident on my computer instead of relying on
someone else to store my data.

Ivan






Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

Cloud paradigm is just an extension of what we've been doing for years now.
I use it to archive and clone music, photos, etc. to all my devices.  It's just
an extra option.  It's faster than tethering or thumb driving data amongst pc's
and phones.  I don't see why people think it means that you no longer can keep
your data on your phones, etc. which I do anyways.

We've been networking our studios for years now, haven't we?
I don't see why having a new option is so confusing, or why people think it
means compromising the way they've been doing things for all these years.

I still remember hand crank windows and having to drive reels of tape from
studio to studio between sessions.  I remember having to memorize all my
friends'' phone numbers.

Apple's 'mail' is crap, but I'm not allowed to use Thunderbird at work, so I use
it everywhere else.
All my mail stays on whichever device is appropriate (work vs. personal).

Carry on...

Greg


<Sent from iPad via iCloud>

*****

On May 15, 2012, at 2:29 AM, ivancu@... wrote:

> "It boggles my mind why any person that is dependent on
> the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone."
>
> I like my multiple Mac computers but really dislike this "Cloud" paradigm. You
would believe how many times I'm with someone with an iPhone or iPad who can't
get the info they need because they can't get a connection. My Blackberry stores
everything on it, not in the Cloud. And synchronizes very well with my Macs
using the Blackberry Desktop program.
>
> My biggest is that I trust nobody but myself with my data. I have a RAID. I do
multiple hard drive backups. One is kept in a fireproof safe. I've had wacky
glitches in software and I can go back and get a recent copy from my backups if
needed. Things don't just "disappear" like they do for some people on the Cloud.
>
> I'm pretty pissed off that I've been paying for me.com for a few years and now
they're forcing me to move to the iCloud. Its a mess.
>
> As an aside, I run a copy of Thunderbird on my machines but mainly use Mail.
That way I'm certain my mail stays reident on my computer instead of relying on
someone else to store my data.
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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> Cloud paradigm is just an extension of what we've been doing for years now.

The big sales pitch for Apple has always been that it just works.  With
Mobile Me and now the iCloud, the problem has become that it *doesn't*
just work.  July first will be interesting, when people really realize
that all of their Mobile Me stuff has disappeared.  I think it's going
to be bad...

This did not save my wife's contact list.  She has no problem with that. 
Thankfully Yahoo and Google aren't run by Apple!

J3



________________________________
  From: Greg Hurley <siriusbliss@...>
To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com" <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Different Skies <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Re: Now I'm dead meat


 
Cloud paradigm is just an extension of what we've been doing for years now.
I use it to archive and clone music, photos, etc. to all my devices.  It's just
an extra option.  It's faster than tethering or thumb driving data amongst pc's
and phones.  I don't see why people think it means that you no longer can keep
your data on your phones, etc. which I do anyways.

We've been networking our studios for years now, haven't we?
I don't see why having a new option is so confusing, or why people think it
means compromising the way they've been doing things for all these years.

I still remember hand crank windows and having to drive reels of tape from
studio to studio between sessions.  I remember having to memorize all my
friends'' phone numbers.

Apple's 'mail' is crap, but I'm not allowed to use Thunderbird at work, so I use
it everywhere else.
All my mail stays on whichever device is appropriate (work vs. personal).

Carry on...

Greg

<Sent from iPad via iCloud>

*****

On May 15, 2012, at 2:29 AM, ivancu@... wrote:

> "It boggles my mind why any person that is dependent on
> the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone."
>
> I like my multiple Mac computers but really dislike this "Cloud" paradigm. You
would believe how many times I'm with someone with an iPhone or iPad who can't
get the info they need because they can't get a connection. My Blackberry stores
everything on it, not in the Cloud. And synchronizes very well with my Macs
using the Blackberry Desktop program.
>
> My biggest is that I trust nobody but myself with my data. I have a RAID. I do
multiple hard drive backups. One is kept in a fireproof safe. I've had wacky
glitches in software and I can go back and get a recent copy from my backups if
needed. Things don't just "disappear" like they do for some people on the Cloud.
>
> I'm pretty pissed off that I've been paying for me.com for a few years and now
they're forcing me to move to the iCloud. Its a mess.
>
> As an aside, I run a copy of Thunderbird on my machines but mainly use Mail.
That way I'm certain my mail stays reident on my computer instead of relying on
someone else to store my data.
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Handcrank windows? I thought you were old enough to remember rubbing two sticks
together to get a DOS prompt.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Greg Hurley <siriusbliss@...> wrote:

> Cloud paradigm is just an extension of what we've been doing for years now.
> I use it to archive and clone music, photos, etc. to all my devices. It's just
an extra option. It's faster than tethering or thumb driving data amongst pc's
and phones. I don't see why people think it means that you no longer can keep
your data on your phones, etc. which I do anyways.
>
> We've been networking our studios for years now, haven't we?
> I don't see why having a new option is so confusing, or why people think it
means compromising the way they've been doing things for all these years.
>
> I still remember hand crank windows and having to drive reels of tape from
studio to studio between sessions. I remember having to memorize all my
friends'' phone numbers.
>
> Apple's 'mail' is crap, but I'm not allowed to use Thunderbird at work, so I
use it everywhere else.
> All my mail stays on whichever device is appropriate (work vs. personal).
>
> Carry on...
>
> Greg
>
> <Sent from iPad via iCloud>
>
> *****
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 2:29 AM, ivancu@... wrote:
>
> > "It boggles my mind why any person that is dependent on
> > the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone."
> >
> > I like my multiple Mac computers but really dislike this "Cloud" paradigm.
You would believe how many times I'm with someone with an iPhone or iPad who
can't get the info they need because they can't get a connection. My Blackberry
stores everything on it, not in the Cloud. And synchronizes very well with my
Macs using the Blackberry Desktop program.
> >
> > My biggest is that I trust nobody but myself with my data. I have a RAID. I
do multiple hard drive backups. One is kept in a fireproof safe. I've had wacky
glitches in software and I can go back and get a recent copy from my backups if
needed. Things don't just "disappear" like they do for some people on the Cloud.
> >
> > I'm pretty pissed off that I've been paying for me.com for a few years and
now they're forcing me to move to the iCloud. Its a mess.
> >
> > As an aside, I run a copy of Thunderbird on my machines but mainly use Mail.
That way I'm certain my mail stays reident on my computer instead of relying on
someone else to store my data.
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Yes, but on the Droid you can simply download "My Backup" and store anything on
the phone to the SD card or to their cloud server.  My Galaxy works fine in
that regard.  Also, iTunes is fine for storing media.  The problem with iOS
devices is that they don't inform you that what you are about to do will result
in the loss of important data.  When my Galaxy updates itself to the latest
android, it doesn't kill all of the data on the phone and force you to use
backup procedures that don't work.  It certainly feels like Apple is devolving
to Win 98.  I would never recommend an iDevice for anyone who has a need for
data security.  They make fun toys, but thats what they are toys.

J3



________________________________
  From: Parity Flux <music@...>
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat


 
My Droid X + google cloud is the best thing since sliced bread.  I guess
it's "to each his own", as are many things, but after having a windows
mobile phone and later an iTouch, I just love what the google gods have
done.  I've never lost a contact, my calendar is always accurate and I can
view it through any portal I choose.  seamless.
-jk

-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Moss Parker" <moss_parker@...>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 3:44 PM
> To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com" <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat
>
> I don't know how bizarre this seems to the rest of you, but I find this
issue a bit insane.  How hard would it be for Apple to provide a simple
tool for saving stuff that resides on the phone so it could be backed up
like any other computer file is backed up.  I never had an iPhone, so I
never had a contacts list in any iDevice.  Well, I may have one in my
iTouch because of email I've sent but I don't much care because both it and
the iPad are synched to my Yahoo account.  How hard would it be to allow
users to back their phones up through the camera adapter USB port to a USB
thumb drive?  That article that Joe sent from Macworld actually highlights
the issue and is an example of why such a non-synch device independent
method of backup is imperative.  Of all the things that I've loved to hate
about my Galaxy S Android phone, backing up important data is not one of
them.  Google has an app for that (writes the memory content of the phone
to the
>  memory card).  I understand that I can get similar functionality by
jailbreaking the iDevice and running a similar third-party not Apple
approved app.  I shouldn't have to jailbreak my device just so I can make a
secure backup of its contents.  Steve Jobs is dead, time to end the
insanity!
>
>
> J3
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Greg Hurley <siriusbliss@...>
> To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com" <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [differentskies] Now I'm dead meat
>
>
>
> I would've used iCloud only and avoided using iTunes for backup, since
iTunes seems at best only able to handle hard files such as mp3's that are
sitting on the phone.
>
> In the past I was also able to export contact list from yahoo, etc. and
import into mobileme, and then through mobilme onto my iPhone.
>
> So Spewgle should work the same - if it outputs a cvs file, or similar,
that can be tricked into importing via another email client onto the
phone.
>
> Greg
>
> ********
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Kunzelman <jeff@...> wrote:
>
> > It's possible if she had used gmail at any point her contacts might be
stored at google. Worth a check. Also they might be in outlook or the
contacts app if on a Mac. Usually the phone isn't the only repository for
contacts.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On May 13, 2012, at 6:03 PM, Moss Parker <moss_parker@...>
wrote:
> >
> > > Carol updated her iPhone to 5.1. She thinks see backed everything up
to iTunes and to iCloud. Now she has no contacts. She threw the thing at me
and is apparently going to get an Android phone tomorrow. Her lifeblood was
that contracts list. iTunes doesn't appear to offer a way to restore
anything, although it supposedly lets you back stuff up. Happy fucking
Mothers Day, ! Knew this upgrade thing was a bad idea.
> > >
> > > J3
> > >
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I'm old enough to remember toggling switches to enter the bootstrap loader on an
MITS Altair 8800 in order to get a CP/M prompt :)

J3



________________________________
  From: Jeff Kunzelman <jeff@...>
To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com" <differentskies@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Re: Now I'm dead meat


 
Handcrank windows? I thought you were old enough to remember rubbing two sticks
together to get a DOS prompt.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Greg Hurley <siriusbliss@...> wrote:

> Cloud paradigm is just an extension of what we've been doing for years now.
> I use it to archive and clone music, photos, etc. to all my devices. It's just
an extra option. It's faster than tethering or thumb driving data amongst pc's
and phones. I don't see why people think it means that you no longer can keep
your data on your phones, etc. which I do anyways.
>
> We've been networking our studios for years now, haven't we?
> I don't see why having a new option is so confusing, or why people think it
means compromising the way they've been doing things for all these years.
>
> I still remember hand crank windows and having to drive reels of tape from
studio to studio between sessions. I remember having to memorize all my
friends'' phone numbers.
>
> Apple's 'mail' is crap, but I'm not allowed to use Thunderbird at work, so I
use it everywhere else.
> All my mail stays on whichever device is appropriate (work vs. personal).
>
> Carry on...
>
> Greg
>
> <Sent from iPad via iCloud>
>
> *****
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 2:29 AM, ivancu@... wrote:
>
> > "It boggles my mind why any person that is dependent on
> > the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone."
> >
> > I like my multiple Mac computers but really dislike this "Cloud" paradigm.
You would believe how many times I'm with someone with an iPhone or iPad who
can't get the info they need because they can't get a connection. My Blackberry
stores everything on it, not in the Cloud. And synchronizes very well with my
Macs using the Blackberry Desktop program.
> >
> > My biggest is that I trust nobody but myself with my data. I have a RAID. I
do multiple hard drive backups. One is kept in a fireproof safe. I've had wacky
glitches in software and I can go back and get a recent copy from my backups if
needed. Things don't just "disappear" like they do for some people on the Cloud.
> >
> > I'm pretty pissed off that I've been paying for me.com for a few years and
now they're forcing me to move to the iCloud. Its a mess.
> >
> > As an aside, I run a copy of Thunderbird on my machines but mainly use Mail.
That way I'm certain my mail stays reident on my computer instead of relying on
someone else to store my data.
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> >
> >
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I'm old enough to realize that I don't have one freaking clue as to what
y'all are talkin' about.

:-)     haha



. . .  oh, and the car I'm driving has hand crank window.

Fog



   _____

From: differentskies@yahoogroups.com [mailto:differentskies@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Moss Parker
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 14:00
To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Re: Now I'm dead meat





I'm old enough to remember toggling switches to enter the bootstrap loader
on an MITS Altair 8800 in order to get a CP/M prompt :)

J3

________________________________
From: Jeff Kunzelman <jeff@... <mailto:jeff%40arcosanti.org> >
To: "differentskies@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:differentskies%40yahoogroups.com> " <differentskies@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:differentskies%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [differentskies] Re: Now I'm dead meat



Handcrank windows? I thought you were old enough to remember rubbing two
sticks together to get a DOS prompt.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 15, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Greg Hurley <siriusbliss@...
<mailto:siriusbliss%40yahoo.com> > wrote:

> Cloud paradigm is just an extension of what we've been doing for years
now.
> I use it to archive and clone music, photos, etc. to all my devices. It's
just an extra option. It's faster than tethering or thumb driving data
amongst pc's and phones. I don't see why people think it means that you no
longer can keep your data on your phones, etc. which I do anyways.
>
> We've been networking our studios for years now, haven't we?
> I don't see why having a new option is so confusing, or why people think
it means compromising the way they've been doing things for all these years.
>
> I still remember hand crank windows and having to drive reels of tape from
studio to studio between sessions. I remember having to memorize all my
friends'' phone numbers.
>
> Apple's 'mail' is crap, but I'm not allowed to use Thunderbird at work, so
I use it everywhere else.
> All my mail stays on whichever device is appropriate (work vs. personal).
>
> Carry on...
>
> Greg
>
> <Sent from iPad via iCloud>
>
> *****
>
> On May 15, 2012, at 2:29 AM, ivancu@... <mailto:ivancu%40aol.com>
wrote:
>
> > "It boggles my mind why any person that is dependent on
> > the data in their phone would ever choose an iPhone."
> >
> > I like my multiple Mac computers but really dislike this "Cloud"
paradigm. You would believe how many times I'm with someone with an iPhone
or iPad who can't get the info they need because they can't get a
connection. My Blackberry stores everything on it, not in the Cloud. And
synchronizes very well with my Macs using the Blackberry Desktop program.
> >
> > My biggest is that I trust nobody but myself with my data. I have a
RAID. I do multiple hard drive backups. One is kept in a fireproof safe.
I've had wacky glitches in software and I can go back and get a recent copy
from my backups if needed. Things don't just "disappear" like they do for
some people on the Cloud.
> >
> > I'm pretty pissed off that I've been paying for me.com for a few years
and now they're forcing me to move to the iCloud. Its a mess.
> >
> > As an aside, I run a copy of Thunderbird on my machines but mainly use
Mail. That way I'm certain my mail stays reident on my computer instead of
relying on someone else to store my data.
> >
> > Ivan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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