Hey

I'm trying to decide whether to bring my Simmons/Pearl digital pads
again. While the possibilities and ideas for their use are many, I'm a
bit reluctant to simply repeat myself again gear-wise. Hopefully there
are some members present who have an opinion on the matter.
Unfortunately I'm easily swayed in either direction, so please offer
your argument sternly! Any assistance and/or suggestions will be noted
and appreciated.

Thanks


Rus/Una

>Hey
>
>I'm trying to decide whether to bring my Simmons/Pearl digital pads
>again. While the possibilities and ideas for their use are many, I'm a
>bit reluctant to simply repeat myself again gear-wise. Hopefully there
>are some members present who have an opinion on the matter.
>Unfortunately I'm easily swayed in either direction, so please offer
>your argument sternly! Any assistance and/or suggestions will be noted
>and appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>
>Rus/Una

Rus,

I don't have a strong opinion about the Simmons kit; it was a huge
chunk of stage real estate, but people enjoyed messing with it.
(Giles, who's visiting, played it a lot but says you should leave it
home this time.)

On the other hand, I am going to argue strongly that you get rid of
that Peavey mixer you brought. It's massively heavy, takes up a ton
of room, and doesn't have particularly good sound quality to my ears.
You can get a Behringer mixer with an equal channel count and better
S/N that's literally a fifth the size for almost no money at all. If
you don't have the cash to get a UB6122FXPro or something of that
ilk, you could probably borrow the 2442 we bought Arcosanti last
year, or share it with a couple of other folks...

If it was up to me, I'd suggest that you leave the Simmons kit and
the entire keyboard A-frame home and put a smaller mixer on a shelf
of your Apex stand, focusing on Octapad, miked percussion and didj,
and guitar rather than keys.

Consider yourself swayed. :)

mike

--
"The problem with this is that you are no longer dealing with true
silence. You are dealing with 'replicated' silence. The best silence
is analogue."                                            (d. morley)
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Rus Foster wrote:

> I'm trying to decide whether to bring my Simmons/Pearl digital pads
> again. While the possibilities and ideas for their use are many, I'm a
> bit reluctant to simply repeat myself again gear-wise. Hopefully there
> are some members present who have an opinion on the matter.
> Unfortunately I'm easily swayed in either direction, so please offer
> your argument sternly! Any assistance and/or suggestions will be noted
> and appreciated.

Hi Rus,

I don't remember how much you used those pads.  If it was not much or
not at all, then I'd strongly recommend that you leave them at home.
Stage real estate is at a premium, as you know.  Lighten your load, man,
and bring only the gear that will get a lot of use because they play to
your strengths, take minimal floor space, and give you something to play
that is unique to you, compared to what the rest of us play.  Get that
circular breathing down and process your didg in a way that even Roach
hasn't done.  Loop it/sample it/pitch shift it/pan it/mangle it!

As Mike suggested, loose the boat anchor mixer.  Get a better condenser
mic, too, while you're at it.  Try something that has multiple pickup
patterns.  The cardioid pattern on the mic you used just picked up too
much off-axis sound.  Get something that can be switched to a
hyper-cardioid pattern for the times when it's cardioid pattern is not
selective enough.

I know that being within driving distance means you can load up an
entire studio of things you might want to use, just in case.  Been
there, done that.  Now try for a leaner-meaner gigging setup.  Your back
will thank you either now or when you're 50.  "It's not the age.  It's
the miles!"

Cheers,

Bill

Can you get past the physical need for regular drum pads and settle for a
Roland HandSonic or Korg DDS5?  It's more current technology than the Simmons
and
they can sound just as powerful with a few sonic tweeks.

JEM



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My intent was mostly to determine others' interest in the pads. I was
curious to know if anyone else wanted any serious percussion and/or
rhythmic interaction for their DS05 performances. Didn't want to truly
disappoint if anyone had their hopes set on them. It seems like there
are already many modular synth-ish and guitar-based entrants so far,
but few (if any) in the tribal/percussion area. Personally, I can live
without the pads this time because I have some exciting software
alternatives up my sleeve, although I'll still have the Octapad unit.
Hope this clears up any misconceptions.

Rus/Una

Does Pioneer 12 count?

dt
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   From: Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City
   To: differentskies@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 8:34 PM
   Subject: Re: [differentskies] Roguefest: Spacecraft?


   >I hear Spacecraft will be here in Atlanta at Roguefest 2005? Would that be
   >anyone on this list?
   >
   >-Jim

   There are at least two people on this list who have played with Spacecraft.

   mike

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Mike

Very pragmatic advice. I'm personally not attached to the pads this
time, and I am definitely looking into replacing my mixer with
something more practical. I got a new M-Audio Radium 49 keyboard to
control some sonic toys like Reason, Yamaha CS-80, Moog Modular,
Virsyn CUBE and maybe even Tassman 4. I've also procured a buddy's
Roland GR-30 guitar synth, which I should be able to use for the DS05
event. And in the interest of space conservation, I'll be leaving my
A-frame keyboard stand behind as requested(although it would have
been cool to mount all the pads on it like Bruford did back in the
80's!). Regarding that DS mixer you mentioned: is it already spoken
for? Would it be wise to loosely plan on using it at this point? I
expect to be sending between 6-8 inputs, and I would prefer to be at
the helm for on-the-fly tweaking and sound manipulation. If that is
not feasable, then it would be smarter for me to go ahead and bring a
smaller mixer as mentioned earlier. One last thing: What do I need to
provide so that I can sync with the overall "clock" for everyone
onstage?

Regards

Rus/Una


--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City
<metlay@a...> wrote:
>
> Rus,
>
> I don't have a strong opinion about the Simmons kit; it was a huge
> chunk of stage real estate, but people enjoyed messing with it.
> (Giles, who's visiting, played it a lot but says you should leave
it
> home this time.)
>
> On the other hand, I am going to argue strongly that you get rid of
> that Peavey mixer you brought. It's massively heavy, takes up a ton
> of room, and doesn't have particularly good sound quality to my
ears.
> You can get a Behringer mixer with an equal channel count and
better
> S/N that's literally a fifth the size for almost no money at all.
If
> you don't have the cash to get a UB6122FXPro or something of that
> ilk, you could probably borrow the 2442 we bought Arcosanti last
> year, or share it with a couple of other folks...
>
> If it was up to me, I'd suggest that you leave the Simmons kit and
> the entire keyboard A-frame home and put a smaller mixer on a shelf
> of your Apex stand, focusing on Octapad, miked percussion and didj,
> and guitar rather than keys.
>
> Consider yourself swayed. :)
>
> mike
>
> --
> "The problem with this is that you are no longer dealing with true
> silence. You are dealing with 'replicated' silence. The best silence
> is analogue."                                            (d. morley)
> ====================================================================
> Atomic City* Box 17083 Boulder CO 80308-0083 * metlay@a...
> mindSpiral: space music with a smile!  *   http://www.mindspiral.com

Rus Foster wrote:
>
> My intent was mostly to determine others' interest in the pads. I was
> curious to know if anyone else wanted any serious percussion and/or
> rhythmic interaction for their DS05 performances. Didn't want to truly
> disappoint if anyone had their hopes set on them. It seems like there
> are already many modular synth-ish and guitar-based entrants so far,
> but few (if any) in the tribal/percussion area. Personally, I can live
> without the pads this time because I have some exciting software
> alternatives up my sleeve, although I'll still have the Octapad unit.
> Hope this clears up any misconceptions.
>
> Rus/Una

I'd enjoy doing some tribal stuff, as long as something melodic
would fit.  I have some appropriate sounds on my VL1 if I can
find room to bring it (and if  you don't mind the sound of
a dijeridu giving birth).  So my vote is--bring something
percussive.


--
"I've heard of warp drive.  I like strawberries."
--entire text of unsolicited submission to the NASA Breakthrough
Propulsion Physics program office.

Sounds marvy. I'll still be bringing my Octapad. Need something to
trigger my Planet Earth module. But I'll also have some really groovy
pre-composed rhythms coming from my computer via various softwares.
Then I'll manipulate them a bit either by mixer tweaking or realtime
software twiddling. I'll also be doing some synthy stuff via guitar
this time(with MIDI pickup), and then looping that for basic
soundbeds. Got a really cool sax patch that might play well against
your wind instrument. I'll have a ton of hand percussion and various
found-sound thingies for use when appropriate. And of course I'll be
bringing my Sonic Pipe of Doom for those primordial moments. I'd be
happy to do anything tribal/ambient with you. It should provide you
more than enough space for melodic embellishments. If you have any
other ideas, let me know.

Rus/Una



> >
> > Rus/Una
>
> I'd enjoy doing some tribal stuff, as long as something melodic
> would fit.  I have some appropriate sounds on my VL1 if I can
> find room to bring it (and if  you don't mind the sound of
> a dijeridu giving birth).  So my vote is--bring something
> percussive.
>
>
> --
> "I've heard of warp drive.  I like strawberries."
> --entire text of unsolicited submission to the NASA Breakthrough
> Propulsion Physics program office.

On Sat, 02 Apr 2005 15:23:10 -0500, Brian Good <bsgood@...>
wrote:

>I'd enjoy doing some tribal stuff, as long as something melodic
>would fit.  I have some appropriate sounds on my VL1 if I can
>find room to bring it (and if  you don't mind the sound of
>a dijeridu giving birth).  So my vote is--bring something
>percussive.

Count me in for tribal also, as long as my murdered goonie bird noises
warped by d-beamed dementure fit.

Paul

Paul

Looking forward to hearing your non-sequencer side.....not that
sequencing is bad.....if I can hop onto the Universal Clock with all
the other P3 dudes, I might even contribute a freaky sequence or two...
Nonetheless, I'd still like to check out your spacier ambient side --
even if it is just gratuitous twiddly noises.....:)

Not that gratuitous twiddly noises are bad.....


Rus/Una



--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <paul@s...> wrote:
>
> Count me in for tribal also, as long as my murdered goonie bird
noises
> warped by d-beamed dementure fit.
>
> Paul

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 01:15:02 -0000, "Rus Foster"
<paintswithsound@...> wrote:

>Not that gratuitous twiddly noises are bad.....

Indeed. And even the most outrageous of them can be rescued by the
correct application of eyebrows.

Paul

I am writing up a gig diary for the mindSpiral concerts on
SynthSights, and one paragraph was also very relevant to DS for
obvious reasons. More later, once the dust settles on this weekend's
gigs.

One thing I plan to do at Different Skies this fall is have a short
"master class" on traditional radio-studio and live-gig hand signals.
We'll use these between performers and to signal between the stage
and the mix position. I learned from the best, Scott Dorsey of Kludge
Audio, and while people may feel silly waving their arms around
during gigs it's a lot less silly than having someone miss a cue or
misunderstand a turnaround and cause a major train wreck. My
vocabulary mixes older signals from decades ago with some very basic
American Sign Language and some of the signals developed by John Zorn
for playing his piece "Cobra", which emphasizes communication between
improvisors in midsong. So you have important signals for "channel 16
is too loud", "kill channel 1", "stretch the ending," "two minutes to
go" vs. "two bars to go", "I like what you're doing, give us more",
"Okay, you fade out while YOU come up", and of course "Do a song
about drugs".

I want to talk with Bill Stunt about this, as it's his bread and
butter; he probably has some good suggestions in this vein.

Talk to y'all once I surface in a day or three, and thanks for the
words of support.

mike

--
"The problem with this is that you are no longer dealing with true
silence. You are dealing with 'replicated' silence. The best silence
is analogue."                                            (d. morley)
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can be done.  Will have something in a couple of weeks.  -dt
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   Subject: Re: [differentskies] a few things about water and other stuff

   David, would it be possible to get a few quicktime movies of your video that
   I can put on arcosanti's events page. I'll be creating a page for the event
   in addition to the calendar entry. I would be nice to show off some of your
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Fine with me, happy to oblige...  -dt
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   Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 6:39 AM
   Subject: Re: [differentskies] women and children (first?)


   As the person who intends to bring a spouse this year, perhaps I should
   weigh in.
   My wife
   ...
   Also, she is interested in learning to do video performance art, what
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Russ,

  I have a Beringher 20 x 4 x 2 mixer that you can use or share with me. It's
sliders are a bit rough after being in the desert for 3 years but after a hose
down with craig contact cleaner it'll sound fine but doesn't have that feather
glide anymore.  I will probably use my Technics dj mixer as it has VCA faders
and a better sound.

There's also a Carver mixer on site if you need something that sounds more
like a peavey. ;-)

Beringher gear is just ridiculas how cheap it is for the features isn't it?
Anyone have any horror stories about it? It seems to becoming the standard for
  anyone on a budget.



On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 01:15:02 -0000, Rus Foster wrote
> Paul
>
> Looking forward to hearing your non-sequencer side.....not that
> sequencing is bad.....if I can hop onto the Universal Clock with all
> the other P3 dudes, I might even contribute a freaky sequence or two...
> Nonetheless, I'd still like to check out your spacier ambient side --
>  even if it is just gratuitous twiddly noises.....:)
>
> Not that gratuitous twiddly noises are bad.....
>
> Rus/Una
>
> --- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, Paul Nagle <paul@s...> wrote:
> >
> > Count me in for tribal also, as long as my murdered goonie bird
> noises
> > warped by d-beamed dementure fit.
> >
> > Paul
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Ok cool.

FYI: the stage from different skies is on the music center mailer for this
year. Not sure what group is shown playing. It's a subset of the whole gang.




On Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:16:35 -0700, David Tristram wrote
> can be done.  Will have something in a couple of weeks.  -dt
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I know I'm not officially on the roster or anything but, I would like
to say that I'm very fond of Cobra and have used it with my own trio
and with people I was just beginning to play with. I would imagine it
to be very useful at a situation like Different Skies where any one
performer can create such a large sonic presence . Cobra is great with
one person "conducting" and also as a more fluid, democratic way to
deepen each others musical intent . The movements are descriptive and
beautiful and with a little bit of exageration they can blend into a
performance and even add to it.
PEACE
Scott Kungha Drengsen
On Sunday, April 3, 2005, at 10:02  AM, Mike Metlay ++ Atomic City
wrote:

> I am writing up a gig diary for the mindSpiral concerts on
> SynthSights, and one paragraph was also very relevant to DS for
> obvious reasons. More later, once the dust settles on this weekend's
> gigs.
>
> One thing I plan to do at Different Skies this fall is have a short
> "master class" on traditional radio-studio and live-gig hand signals.
> We'll use these between performers and to signal between the stage
> and the mix position. I learned from the best, Scott Dorsey of Kludge
> Audio, and while people may feel silly waving their arms around
> during gigs it's a lot less silly than having someone miss a cue or
> misunderstand a turnaround and cause a major train wreck. My
> vocabulary mixes older signals from decades ago with some very basic
> American Sign Language and some of the signals developed by John Zorn
> for playing his piece "Cobra", which emphasizes communication between
> improvisors in midsong. So you have important signals for "channel 16
> is too loud", "kill channel 1", "stretch the ending," "two minutes to
> go" vs. "two bars to go", "I like what you're doing, give us more",
> "Okay, you fade out while YOU come up", and of course "Do a song
> about drugs".
>
> I want to talk with Bill Stunt about this, as it's his bread and
> butter; he probably has some good suggestions in this vein.
>
> Talk to y'all once I surface in a day or three, and thanks for the
> words of support.
>
> mike
>
> --
> "The problem with this is that you are no longer dealing with true
> silence. You are dealing with 'replicated' silence. The best silence
> is analogue."                                            (d. morley)
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Jeff

Thanks for the offer. As it turns out, I just bought a refurbished
Behringer UB1832FX-Pro mixer on EBAY. I won't tell you how much it
was, but suffice it to say that I never pay retail for anything! And
I should be able to sell my Peavey for about the same amount and
break even! (insert evil scientist cackle here) And they say
musicians aren't very good at economics.

Regards

Rus



--- In differentskies@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Kunzelman" <jeff@a...>
wrote:
> Russ,
>
>  I have a Beringher 20 x 4 x 2 mixer that you can use or share with
me. It's
> sliders are a bit rough after being in the desert for 3 years but
after a hose
> down with craig contact cleaner it'll sound fine but doesn't have
that feather
> glide anymore.  I will probably use my Technics dj mixer as it has
VCA faders
> and a better sound.
>
> There's also a Carver mixer on site if you need something that
sounds more
> like a peavey. ;-)
>
> Beringher gear is just ridiculas how cheap it is for the features
isn't it?
> Anyone have any horror stories about it? It seems to becoming the
standard for
>  anyone on a budget.
>

Hi folks, hope all is well with y'all. The dust is settling after the
mindSpiral gigs; John Duval should be home by now (John, you okay?) and Giles
Reaves is on the road heading for Nashville as of a couple hours ago. So I am
returning to DS mode...

David T, I will have a proper track order for you soon. Tim made some
suggestions, I have ideas of my own, and Giles will weigh in at some point (I
let him rip my copies of the tracks so he could hear them at home), and that
will be the last bit of data concerning audio. One consideration that folks
here should be mulling over: the DVD will have 100 minutes of material, but a
CD only holds 80 minutes tops. Anyone want to vote on what gets cut from the
audio-only release, or is that my call too?

I notice that Doug has updated the website, thanxmuchly, and we'll have more
material to add in coming weeks, including music etc. I hope this month to get
a Hostbaby website up and available to Jim and Doug and everyone else for
design and easy updating with lots of server space. I may need a poke in that
regard.

Bill Stunt and Giles Reaves have both suggested stage plots this year rather
than just wingin' that mutha... In other words, as soon as you have an idea of
what your rig will look like, let us know how many audio outs you'll need and
roughly how much space you'll take up. I will assume you're submixing and will
only have two stereo outs unless I hear otherwise. For MIDI, I just got a used
Yamaha MJC8 which will be preprogrammed with eight presets, in which each of
the eight inputs is split to all of the outs, letting us very quickly decide
who among up to eight people can send clocks and start/stop signals to all
concerned. We can chain folks beyond eight, but won't be able to accept more
than eight clockers in this arrangement. I will pull the MJC8 in place of my
15 x 15 Opcode box (which adds some filtering and the like but which I'd
rather not take on the road) if need be, but I don't think there'll be that
many people who want the plushie this time around.

I'll start off, noting that things can change in the next six months. My
current rig plan is for two keyboards, maybe one sound module, and my aebea
and FX box, all into a small mixer and out as a stereo pair. I will have
several boxes that require MIDI clock input and/or supply clock output, so
I'll want one in and one out on the MIDI network. I will distribute MIDI
clocks around the interior of my rig using my own hardware.

Once again, a word to all: you'll have anywhere from two to eighteen other
folks on stage with you making noise. Keep it small and simple!

mike


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I am selling off a chunk of my studio gear and thought I'd offer the things
I'm selling to folks here first, for reasons that should be obvious. My goal
here is to simplify my studio rig a lot and to tighten up my live rig, but the
rule of thumb is: sell two boxes in order to buy one. Since I am looking at
one new mixer, one new FX box (possibly), and one new keyboard, I must sell
six items in my rig, which I'm currently culling.

Some questions for the assembled:

1. Does anyone here have experience with club DJ mixers? I am looking for
something with four stereo inputs, at least one aux send/return loop (with the
returns not counted among the four stereo inputs), a crossfader, and the
ability to hear a cue mix on headphones. A separate talkback mic input would
be nice. Light, small and relatively inexpensive would be nice, but sound
quality is paramount.

2. What's the smallest FX processor anyone can think of that has a decent
delay time, does good long reverbs, and also synchronizes to MIDI clocks?

3. Does anyone have a Roland XP-80 or XP-60 they're looking to sell, or know
of someone who's selling one for a good price? I have finally reached the end
of my rope with my D-70... I love the sounds and am very familiar with the
Roland OS, but the broken bits and missing features on the D-70 are making it
show its age in a non-good way.

Thanks in advance; I'll try to have a for-sale list put together in the next
couple of days. I'll ask around to friends before I do the eBay thang...

mike

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>
> 1. Does anyone here have experience with club DJ mixers?

I have the Technics SH-MZ1200. I paid $699. A lot of DJ mixers are crap and
have really low quality components due to the low budget of most dj buyers.
Berhinger (their non DJ stuff is better), Gemni, denon, peavey, American dj,
are all brands to avoid. Vestax, Pioneer, Rane and Technics are good. The last
two I recommend cause they don't try to pack some crappy effects unit in and
Pioneer gear is kinda fragile.

I like the technics because: Optical VCA crossfader and channel faders. The
specs only mention it for the crossfader as that is what scratch dj's want.
This means they slide like their made of butter and you'll never get a
scratchy fader. The EQ's are outstanding -24db - +12 db, low mids and highs
and trim. No pan controls unfortunatly. This is the most durrable unit I have
seen for a dj mixer. It's built like a tank and is pretty heavy for it's size.
All metal construction and it has nice layout.

The unit also has 2 digital in and 1 digital out (48khz max), 3 phono, 5
regular RCA, 2 mic channels, 1/4" stereo effects loop , 3 stereo master outs
(1 pair xlr) stereo cue out (in addition to standard headphone jack) and a
record out that is independant of the master level.

Through switchs on the channels you can select 4 inputs at a time in addition
to the 2 mic inputs. This is about the max on dj mixers till you go to the
larger allen heaths. $$$.

This mixer has a lot of gain for how quiet it is and I've never had the master
level past 1/2 way.  The led meters show the mix level not the output level
which I like. But many DJ mixers show the output level which I don't like
cause it's useless when you try to record from the mixer with the rec out. I
probably don't have a recording engineers ear for noise levels but this mixer
has a better noise floor then my behringer PA mixer.

Anyway hope that helps, It's a trade off between a standard mixer and a DJ
mixer but I like DJ mixers because they are geared towards performance rather
then managing a big mess of mics, guitars and keyboards. And I have yet to
find a standard mixer that has more then 4 stereo input channels.

jeff



> 2. What's the smallest FX processor anyone can think of that has a decent
> delay time, does good long reverbs, and also synchronizes to MIDI clocks?
>
> 3. Does anyone have a Roland XP-80 or XP-60 they're looking to sell,
> or know of someone who's selling one for a good price? I have
> finally reached the end of my rope with my D-70... I love the sounds
> and am very familiar with the Roland OS, but the broken bits and
> missing features on the D-70 are making it show its age in a non-
> good way.
>
> Thanks in advance; I'll try to have a for-sale list put together in
> the next couple of days. I'll ask around to friends before I do the
> eBay thang...
>
> mike
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Jeff Kunzelman said:
>>
>> 1. Does anyone here have experience with club DJ mixers?
>
> I have the Technics SH-MZ1200. I paid $699. A lot of DJ mixers are crap and
> have really low quality components due to the low budget of most dj buyers.
> Berhinger (their non DJ stuff is better), Gemni, denon, peavey, American dj,
> are all brands to avoid. Vestax, Pioneer, Rane and Technics are good. The last
> two I recommend cause they don't try to pack some crappy effects unit in and
> Pioneer gear is kinda fragile.

Thanks, Jeff. I'll remember this when I start shopping around. I had a Korg
Kaoss Mixer that I kinda liked, but it was a hair small for me and I ended up
not using the Kaoss Pad on it very much, so I sold it off, and I'm now looking
for a suitable replacement. Because I'm not doing traditional DJ stuff I could
probably get away with a smaller or cheaper unit and not have it go tango
uniform on me, but it's good to know which brands are considered higher
quality.

My other possibility is to use a small battle mixer and hang a submixer off
one side, but that's a lot of gain staging and it's nowhere near as convenient
or flexible.

mike

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Mike Metlay wrote:

> I'll start off, noting that things can change in the next six months. My
> current rig plan is for two keyboards, maybe one sound module, and my
> aebea
> and FX box, all into a small mixer and out as a stereo pair. I will have
> several boxes that require MIDI clock input and/or supply clock output, so
> I'll want one in and one out on the MIDI network. I will distribute MIDI
> clocks around the interior of my rig using my own hardware.
>
> Once again, a word to all: you'll have anywhere from two to eighteen other
> folks on stage with you making noise. Keep it small and simple!

My minimum rig will be the same as last year; guitar, lap guitar, fx
pedal, mixer, reverb, two loopers.  If gas prices don't go above
$45/gallon, I may drive out with Brian and bring something in the synth
department.  I will submix my rig to a stereo feed.  If I have a
keyboard, In that case, I may need to accept MIDI clocks.

Cheers,

Bill

On Apr 7, 2005, at 9:15 PM, Bill Fox wrote:

>
> Mike Metlay wrote:
>
>> I'll start off, noting that things can change in the next six months.
>> My
>> current rig plan is for two keyboards, maybe one sound module, and my
>> aebea
>> and FX box, all into a small mixer and out as a stereo pair. I will
>> have
>> several boxes that require MIDI clock input and/or supply clock
>> output, so
>> I'll want one in and one out on the MIDI network. I will distribute
>> MIDI
>> clocks around the interior of my rig using my own hardware.
>>
>> Once again, a word to all: you'll have anywhere from two to eighteen
>> other
>> folks on stage with you making noise. Keep it small and simple!
>
> My minimum rig will be the same as last year; guitar, lap guitar, fx
> pedal, mixer, reverb, two loopers.  If gas prices don't go above
> $45/gallon, I may drive out with Brian and bring something in the synth
> department.  I will submix my rig to a stereo feed.  If I have a
> keyboard, In that case, I may need to accept MIDI clocks.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>

As long as  you brought it up, Bill...

I'll have the usual pile--EWI, soprano, laptop or Mac Mini
w/Absynth/Reaktor,
the micromodular, Repeater, fx, a mixer, and some kind of small
keyboard controller.  If we drive, I'll probably also bring a rack with
VL1m,
fs1r and maybe one more EWI-friendly thing, the V-synth, and the tenor
if
I'm feeling garbareky.  Regardless, I'm planning on using a single
stereo out.

Brian

The only time I'm not infront of a computer is when I'm sleeping so I feel
like I need to get some quality non-computer time when making music. So thanks
to e-bay and the internet I have a few new devices that I'd like to make work
together. Here's the list (change to courier if the formating is munged):

Controlers:
Future-Retro Revolution Sequencer  Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 2 : Master Clock
Korg Electribe R MkII Drum machine Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 3
Radium midi keyboard controler     Midi: Out         Channel: 1

Recievers:
Boss Sp 303 Sampler                Midi: In
Nord Rack 2                        Midi  In Out

My goal:

Have all devices synch to clock from FRR Sequencer and have a spare plug to
get midi clock from elsewhere. I don't want to use the korg as the master
clock as sometimes I'd like not have the drum machine running and the FR is
easier to change tempo on.

Have the option to control Nord from Radium, FRR, or Korg by selecting
different midi channels on Nord. Also the abilty to control the Nords
percussion kit on one bank while controling the other 3 banks from Radium. Or
AB <- Radium, C <- FRR , D <- Korg.

Forgive my midi ignorance, but is there a Midi patchbay of some sort that
could work all this out?

Jeff Kunzelman said:
>
> The only time I'm not infront of a computer is when I'm sleeping so I feel
> like I need to get some quality non-computer time when making music. So thanks
> to e-bay and the internet I have a few new devices that I'd like to make work
> together.

That's very funny. These days my time in front of a computer is the only time
I get to sleep at all. Anyways...

> Here's the list (change to courier if the formating is munged):
>
> Controlers:
> Future-Retro Revolution Sequencer  Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 2 : Master Clock
> Korg Electribe R MkII Drum machine Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 3
> Radium midi keyboard controler     Midi: Out         Channel: 1
>
> Recievers:
> Boss Sp 303 Sampler                Midi: In
> Nord Rack 2                        Midi  In Out
>
> My goal:
>
> Have all devices synch to clock from FRR Sequencer and have a spare plug to
> get midi clock from elsewhere. I don't want to use the korg as the master
> clock as sometimes I'd like not have the drum machine running and the FR is
> easier to change tempo on.
>
> Have the option to control Nord from Radium, FRR, or Korg by selecting
> different midi channels on Nord. Also the abilty to control the Nords
> percussion kit on one bank while controling the other 3 banks from Radium. Or
> AB <- Radium, C <- FRR , D <- Korg.
>
> Forgive my midi ignorance, but is there a Midi patchbay of some sort that
> could work all this out?

Soitenly! Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

Most of what you want to do is simply routing from various sources to various
destinations. There are a bunch of MIDI router boxes that can do this,
including the Ensoniq KMX-16, the JLCooper Synapse, the Yamaha MJC8, etc.

However, there's one thing you want to do that's more complex: namely, merging
two or more control sources to go to one destination. Merging MIDI data
streams is tricky business and needs to be done right; unfortunately, very few
people make mergers any more, and unless you want to spend primo bux, you'll
have to do some hunting for used stuff.

If you can live with only merging two sources, you can buy a Digital Music
MX-8 patchbay, which has a built-in merger that can be set up to merge any two
inputs and send the merged data stream to any output, and to remember this
routing as a stored program.

Bill Fox and others use MX-8 boxes and are very happy with them; my own
experience has been terrible, but I appear to be in the minority. My own
solution, wiring an Anatek Pocket Merge into a Yamaha MJC8, is messy to look
at but very reliable. It basically reduces the MJC8 from an 8x8 to a 7x6
patchbay, and you can route anything through the merger and then to anything
else.

To merge more than two data streams into one is very hard. I'm not sure if the
Opcode Studio 5LX will let you do it; if it does, you'll need an old OS 9 Mac
to run the software that controls the interface, which itself can be quite
costly. Anatek made a seven-to-one merger but I've never seen or used one
myself. The only many-to-one mergers I am aware of on the market today are
made by MIDI Solutions (http://www.midisolutions.com). They make a 4:1 and an
8:1 merger that are very expensive but very high-quality. I know and like John
Fast, who runs MIDI Solutions, and if I lost my Anatek I'd happily buy one of
his mergers. Problem is, he doesn't build routing matrices of any kind, so you
can't get a router with merging built in from him.

To do everything you mention, you will need the following:

MIDI INs from: Radium, FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord, extra clock source.
MIDI OUTs to: FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord.

If you buy a MIDI Solutions QuadraMerge and only wire up three of the inputs,
you can do the following with an 8 x 8 router like the MJC8 (easy to find
cheap, I just got one for $40 shipped):

INs From:
1. Nord
2. FutureRetro
3. Korg
4. Roland
5. Radium
6. extra clock source
7. Quadra Merge (merged output)
8. Not currently used

OUTs To:
1. Nord
2. FutureRetro
3. Korg
4. Roland
5. QuadraMerge (Input 1)
6. QuadraMerge (Input 2)
7. QuadraMerge (Input 3)
8. QuadraMerge (Input 4) or leave open

Then what you do is to route whatever signals you want to merge to the inputs
of the QuadraMerge, then run the QuadraMerge output to the Nord. Set up the
MIDI Channels on your various controllers and route them to whatever parts of
the Nord they should control.

You'll need 16 MIDI cables, 5 of which will be very short if you just rest the
merger atop the router box, but you should budget for them anyway.

Hope this helps,

mike


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and of course don't forget the Anatek SMP -7s or 16s for just straight patching.
But they won't do merging.
kind regards
john duval

-------------- Original message --------------
Jeff Kunzelman said:
>
> The only time I'm not infront of a computer is when I'm sleeping so I feel
> like I need to get some quality non-computer time when making music. So thanks
> to e-bay and the internet I have a few new devices that I'd like to make work
> together.

That's very funny. These days my time in front of a computer is the only time
I get to sleep at all. Anyways...

> Here's the list (change to courier if the formating is munged):
>
> Controlers:
> Future-Retro Revolution Sequencer  Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 2 : Master Clock
> Korg Electribe R MkII Drum machine Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 3
> Radium midi keyboard controler     Midi: Out         Channel: 1
>
> Recievers:
> Boss Sp 303 Sampler                Midi: In
> Nord Rack 2                        Midi  In Out
>
> My goal:
>
> Have all devices synch to clock from FRR Sequencer and have a spare plug to
> get midi clock from elsewhere. I don't want to use the korg as the master
> clock as sometimes I'd like not have the drum machine running and the FR is
> easier to change tempo on.
>
> Have the option to control Nord from Radium, FRR, or Korg by selecting
> different midi channels on Nord. Also the abilty to control the Nords
> percussion kit on one bank while controling the other 3 banks from Radium. Or
> AB <- Radium, C <- FRR , D <- Korg.
>
> Forgive my midi ignorance, but is there a Midi patchbay of some sort that
> could work all this out?

Soitenly! Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

Most of what you want to do is simply routing from various sources to various
destinations. There are a bunch of MIDI router boxes that can do this,
including the Ensoniq KMX-16, the JLCooper Synapse, the Yamaha MJC8, etc.

However, there's one thing you want to do that's more complex: namely, merging
two or more control sources to go to one destination. Merging MIDI data
streams is tricky business and needs to be done right; unfortunately, very few
people make mergers any more, and unless you want to spend primo bux, you'll
have to do some hunting for used stuff.

If you can live with only merging two sources, you can buy a Digital Music
MX-8 patchbay, which has a built-in merger that can be set up to merge any two
inputs and send the merged data stream to any output, and to remember this
routing as a stored program.

Bill Fox and others use MX-8 boxes and are very happy with them; my own
experience has been terrible, but I appear to be in the minority. My own
solution, wiring an Anatek Pocket Merge into a Yamaha MJC8, is messy to look
at but very reliable. It basically reduces the MJC8 from an 8x8 to a 7x6
patchbay, and you can route anything through the merger and then to anything
else.

To merge more than two data streams into one is very hard. I'm not sure if the
Opcode Studio 5LX will let you do it; if it does, you'll need an old OS 9 Mac
to run the software that controls the interface, which itself can be quite
costly. Anatek made a seven-to-one merger but I've never seen or used one
myself. The only many-to-one mergers I am aware of on the market today are
made by MIDI Solutions (http://www.midisolutions.com). They make a 4:1 and an
8:1 merger that are very expensive but very high-quality. I know and like John
Fast, who runs MIDI Solutions, and if I lost my Anatek I'd happily buy one of
his mergers. Problem is, he doesn't build routing matrices of any kind, so you
can't get a router with merging built in from him.

To do everything you mention, you will need the following:

MIDI INs from: Radium, FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord, extra clock source.
MIDI OUTs to: FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord.

If you buy a MIDI Solutions QuadraMerge and only wire up three of the inputs,
you can do the following with an 8 x 8 router like the MJC8 (easy to find
cheap, I just got one for $40 shipped):

INs From:
1. Nord
2. FutureRetro
3. Korg
4. Roland
5. Radium
6. extra clock source
7. Quadra Merge (merged output)
8. Not currently used

OUTs To:
1. Nord
2. FutureRetro
3. Korg
4. Roland
5. QuadraMerge (Input 1)
6. QuadraMerge (Input 2)
7. QuadraMerge (Input 3)
8. QuadraMerge (Input 4) or leave open

Then what you do is to route whatever signals you want to merge to the inputs
of the QuadraMerge, then run the QuadraMerge output to the Nord. Set up the
MIDI Channels on your various controllers and route them to whatever parts of
the Nord they should control.

You'll need 16 MIDI cables, 5 of which will be very short if you just rest the
merger atop the router box, but you should budget for them anyway.

Hope this helps,

mike


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What about the Cranial/Occular XJ16?  I love that thing!  My
officemates stopped with the Borg jokes months ago.

On Apr 8, 2005, at 1:01 PM, darkstr1746@... wrote:

>
> and of course don't forget the Anatek SMP -7s or 16s for just straight
> patching. But they won't do merging.
> kind regards
> john duval
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> Jeff Kunzelman said:
>>
>> The only time I'm not infront of a computer is when I'm sleeping so I
>> feel
>> like I need to get some quality non-computer time when making music.
>> So thanks
>> to e-bay and the internet I have a few new devices that I'd like to
>> make work
>> together.
>
> That's very funny. These days my time in front of a computer is the
> only time
> I get to sleep at all. Anyways...
>
>> Here's the list (change to courier if the formating is munged):
>>
>> Controlers:
>> Future-Retro Revolution Sequencer  Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 2 :
>> Master Clock
>> Korg Electribe R MkII Drum machine Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 3
>> Radium midi keyboard controler     Midi: Out         Channel: 1
>>
>> Recievers:
>> Boss Sp 303 Sampler                Midi: In
>> Nord Rack 2                        Midi  In Out
>>
>> My goal:
>>
>> Have all devices synch to clock from FRR Sequencer and have a spare
>> plug to
>> get midi clock from elsewhere. I don't want to use the korg as the
>> master
>> clock as sometimes I'd like not have the drum machine running and the
>> FR is
>> easier to change tempo on.
>>
>> Have the option to control Nord from Radium, FRR, or Korg by selecting
>> different midi channels on Nord. Also the abilty to control the Nords
>> percussion kit on one bank while controling the other 3 banks from
>> Radium. Or
>> AB <- Radium, C <- FRR , D <- Korg.
>>
>> Forgive my midi ignorance, but is there a Midi patchbay of some sort
>> that
>> could work all this out?
>
> Soitenly! Nyuk nyuk nyuk.
>
> Most of what you want to do is simply routing from various sources to
> various
> destinations. There are a bunch of MIDI router boxes that can do this,
> including the Ensoniq KMX-16, the JLCooper Synapse, the Yamaha MJC8,
> etc.
>
> However, there's one thing you want to do that's more complex: namely,
> merging
> two or more control sources to go to one destination. Merging MIDI data
> streams is tricky business and needs to be done right; unfortunately,
> very few
> people make mergers any more, and unless you want to spend primo bux,
> you'll
> have to do some hunting for used stuff.
>
> If you can live with only merging two sources, you can buy a Digital
> Music
> MX-8 patchbay, which has a built-in merger that can be set up to merge
> any two
> inputs and send the merged data stream to any output, and to remember
> this
> routing as a stored program.
>
> Bill Fox and others use MX-8 boxes and are very happy with them; my own
> experience has been terrible, but I appear to be in the minority. My
> own
> solution, wiring an Anatek Pocket Merge into a Yamaha MJC8, is messy
> to look
> at but very reliable. It basically reduces the MJC8 from an 8x8 to a
> 7x6
> patchbay, and you can route anything through the merger and then to
> anything
> else.
>
> To merge more than two data streams into one is very hard. I'm not
> sure if the
> Opcode Studio 5LX will let you do it; if it does, you'll need an old
> OS 9 Mac
> to run the software that controls the interface, which itself can be
> quite
> costly. Anatek made a seven-to-one merger but I've never seen or used
> one
> myself. The only many-to-one mergers I am aware of on the market today
> are
> made by MIDI Solutions (http://www.midisolutions.com). They make a 4:1
> and an
> 8:1 merger that are very expensive but very high-quality. I know and
> like John
> Fast, who runs MIDI Solutions, and if I lost my Anatek I'd happily buy
> one of
> his mergers. Problem is, he doesn't build routing matrices of any
> kind, so you
> can't get a router with merging built in from him.
>
> To do everything you mention, you will need the following:
>
> MIDI INs from: Radium, FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord, extra clock
> source.
> MIDI OUTs to: FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord.
>
> If you buy a MIDI Solutions QuadraMerge and only wire up three of the
> inputs,
> you can do the following with an 8 x 8 router like the MJC8 (easy to
> find
> cheap, I just got one for $40 shipped):
>
> INs From:
> 1. Nord
> 2. FutureRetro
> 3. Korg
> 4. Roland
> 5. Radium
> 6. extra clock source
> 7. Quadra Merge (merged output)
> 8. Not currently used
>
> OUTs To:
> 1. Nord
> 2. FutureRetro
> 3. Korg
> 4. Roland
> 5. QuadraMerge (Input 1)
> 6. QuadraMerge (Input 2)
> 7. QuadraMerge (Input 3)
> 8. QuadraMerge (Input 4) or leave open
>
> Then what you do is to route whatever signals you want to merge to the
> inputs
> of the QuadraMerge, then run the QuadraMerge output to the Nord. Set
> up the
> MIDI Channels on your various controllers and route them to whatever
> parts of
> the Nord they should control.
>
> You'll need 16 MIDI cables, 5 of which will be very short if you just
> rest the
> merger atop the router box, but you should budget for them anyway.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> mike
>
>
> --
> "Hey, I didn't say it wasn't FUN poop."
> (k.snyder)
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16 midi cables and OS 9? I guess that's what you get with a Reagan era
interface standard. Ah well I got a bid in on a MJC-8 on ebay. Haven't seen
the midi solutions stuff before. Will check those out too.

Kevin Lighnter says my minimoog keyboard action is doomed and the mice got the
best of it, but he is developing an optical PC board that will replace the
contact springs, wires and rubber widgets that he will be selling in a few
months:

"It's optical and never needs cleaning. Will also offer more functions
such as inversion, transpose, hi/lo/last note priority, etc. However, it's an
easy 4-8 mos off. The boards are only just being designed now. Cost would be
under $300, but that's all I know right now. "

sounds like a nice mod. Figured I'd pass it on for other mini owners on the
list.




On Fri, 8 Apr 2005 11:51:45 -0600 (MDT), Mike Metlay wrote
> Jeff Kunzelman said:
> >
> > The only time I'm not infront of a computer is when I'm sleeping so I feel
> > like I need to get some quality non-computer time when making music. So
thanks
> > to e-bay and the internet I have a few new devices that I'd like to make
work
> > together.
>
> That's very funny. These days my time in front of a computer is the
> only time I get to sleep at all. Anyways...
>
> > Here's the list (change to courier if the formating is munged):
> >
> > Controlers:
> > Future-Retro Revolution Sequencer  Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 2 : Master
Clock
> > Korg Electribe R MkII Drum machine Midi: In Out Thru Channel: 3
> > Radium midi keyboard controler     Midi: Out         Channel: 1
> >
> > Recievers:
> > Boss Sp 303 Sampler                Midi: In
> > Nord Rack 2                        Midi  In Out
> >
> > My goal:
> >
> > Have all devices synch to clock from FRR Sequencer and have a spare plug to
> > get midi clock from elsewhere. I don't want to use the korg as the master
> > clock as sometimes I'd like not have the drum machine running and the FR is
> > easier to change tempo on.
> >
> > Have the option to control Nord from Radium, FRR, or Korg by selecting
> > different midi channels on Nord. Also the abilty to control the Nords
> > percussion kit on one bank while controling the other 3 banks from Radium.
Or
> > AB <- Radium, C <- FRR , D <- Korg.
> >
> > Forgive my midi ignorance, but is there a Midi patchbay of some sort that
> > could work all this out?
>
> Soitenly! Nyuk nyuk nyuk.
>
> Most of what you want to do is simply routing from various sources
> to various destinations. There are a bunch of MIDI router boxes that
> can do this, including the Ensoniq KMX-16, the JLCooper Synapse, the
> Yamaha MJC8, etc.
>
> However, there's one thing you want to do that's more complex:
> namely, merging two or more control sources to go to one
> destination. Merging MIDI data streams is tricky business and needs
> to be done right; unfortunately, very few people make mergers any
> more, and unless you want to spend primo bux, you'll have to do some
> hunting for used stuff.
>
> If you can live with only merging two sources, you can buy a Digital
> Music MX-8 patchbay, which has a built-in merger that can be set up
> to merge any two inputs and send the merged data stream to any
> output, and to remember this routing as a stored program.
>
> Bill Fox and others use MX-8 boxes and are very happy with them; my own
> experience has been terrible, but I appear to be in the minority. My
> own solution, wiring an Anatek Pocket Merge into a Yamaha MJC8, is
> messy to look at but very reliable. It basically reduces the MJC8
> from an 8x8 to a 7x6 patchbay, and you can route anything through
> the merger and then to anything else.
>
> To merge more than two data streams into one is very hard. I'm not
> sure if the Opcode Studio 5LX will let you do it; if it does, you'll
> need an old OS 9 Mac to run the software that controls the interface,
>  which itself can be quite costly. Anatek made a seven-to-one merger
> but I've never seen or used one myself. The only many-to-one mergers
> I am aware of on the market today are made by MIDI Solutions
> (http://www.midisolutions.com). They make a 4:1 and an
> 8:1 merger that are very expensive but very high-quality. I know and
> like John Fast, who runs MIDI Solutions, and if I lost my Anatek I'd
> happily buy one of his mergers. Problem is, he doesn't build routing
> matrices of any kind, so you can't get a router with merging built
> in from him.
>
> To do everything you mention, you will need the following:
>
> MIDI INs from: Radium, FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord, extra clock source.
> MIDI OUTs to: FutureRetro, Korg, Roland, Nord.
>
> If you buy a MIDI Solutions QuadraMerge and only wire up three of
> the inputs, you can do the following with an 8 x 8 router like the
> MJC8 (easy to find cheap, I just got one for $40 shipped):
>
> INs From:
> 1. Nord
> 2. FutureRetro
> 3. Korg
> 4. Roland
> 5. Radium
> 6. extra clock source
> 7. Quadra Merge (merged output)
> 8. Not currently used
>
> OUTs To:
> 1. Nord
> 2. FutureRetro
> 3. Korg
> 4. Roland
> 5. QuadraMerge (Input 1)
> 6. QuadraMerge (Input 2)
> 7. QuadraMerge (Input 3)
> 8. QuadraMerge (Input 4) or leave open
>
> Then what you do is to route whatever signals you want to merge to
> the inputs of the QuadraMerge, then run the QuadraMerge output to
> the Nord. Set up the MIDI Channels on your various controllers and
> route them to whatever parts of the Nord they should control.
>
> You'll need 16 MIDI cables, 5 of which will be very short if you
> just rest the merger atop the router box, but you should budget for
> them anyway.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> mike
>
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