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11865 roberthillier Offline Send Email May 15, 2012
10:35 pm
I have now found that the title "La Tournée" was used for a number of pieces for baroque lute. One example is as a movement title in a lute sonata/suite by...
11866 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 16, 2012
6:40 am
Hi Robert You quote again a German composer. Was it a German dance with a French name? For sure not a French dance. see...
11867 Javier Gelati
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May 16, 2012
10:48 am
I think in that times, when a composer wanted to write a movement of dance he put the title alone- for example- "Menuet", and not "La Menuet" (The Menuet). In...
11868 keithfre Offline Send Email May 16, 2012
12:28 pm
... Also people: Duphly's La Forqueray, for instance. -Keith...
11869 keithfre Offline Send Email May 16, 2012
12:42 pm
Or perhaps it could be a 'tour' (procession) around the dance floor? -Keith...
11870 Javier Gelati
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May 16, 2012
12:46 pm
Yes! Javier Gelati "Las obras grandes son las que hacen grandes a los hombres, porque los sustraen de las limitaciones que los...
11871 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 16, 2012
12:52 pm
Hi Javier This is an interesting remark.If the composer had no idea about the "portrait", it was simply Allemande, sarabande or gavotte, but never "tournée" ...
11872 Javier Gelati
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May 16, 2012
1:18 pm
Interesting, Philippe, thank you!  In the baroque, by copnsequence of "Gout Reunis, "there seems to be a "collage" or, better, mistake of languages,...
11873 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 16, 2012
1:57 pm
Oups sorry Javier but you introduce confusion! "traversa" is a right name, written by Bach, Haendel and there predecessors, Schein, Schütz, Tobias Michaël. ...
11874 Javier Gelati
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May 16, 2012
2:15 pm
I continue learning. Thanks again!  Javier Gelati  "Las obras grandes son las que hacen grandes a los hombres, porque los sustraen de las limitaciones que...
11875 Javier Gelati
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May 16, 2012
2:18 pm
I´m sorry about my confusion. Probably the erroneous words in most editions is an other thing.   Javier Gelati "Las obras grandes son las que hacen grandes...
11876 Javier Gelati
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May 16, 2012
2:29 pm
Philippe Wrote:  it is "traverso" which is a modern mistake introduced by Dutch language.  But "traverso" is a correct word in italian, isn´t it? All the...
11877 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 16, 2012
3:02 pm
Not as a name , I fear It's an adjective in Italian best Philippe Allain-Dupré http://allaindu.perso.neuf.fr/discographie/ ...
11878 Jan De Winne
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May 16, 2012
3:18 pm
Traverso in italian is just the qualification of the flauto traverso as opposed to flauto dritto… ( transverse flute, straight flute) So from now on you...
11879 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 16, 2012
3:25 pm
Thanks Jan I hope you can also help about these tunes named "la tournée" which are very confusing from a French point of view! best wishes; Philippe...
11880 Santy
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May 16, 2012
3:28 pm
Yes, the name of the transverse flute is "flauto traverso" in Italian. form more information about the terms you can read this article by David Lasocki (well...
11881 keithfre Offline Send Email May 16, 2012
3:29 pm
... But the history of any language is the history of mistakes that eventually become accepted... ;-} To give just one example, when I was growing up as an...
11882 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 16, 2012
3:57 pm
Dear keith I understand your feeling, which was already claimed by David Lasocki a few years ago on this list The problem is that in French, when you say...
11883 keithfre Offline Send Email May 16, 2012
5:07 pm
... Pas tout à fait: if I search for "flûte baroque" on French ebay it comes up with more recorders than flutes. It seems I have to specify "flûte...
11884 Lasocki, David
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May 16, 2012
5:35 pm
Please don't read the article I wrote about flute terminology 25 years ago. I've done a lot more research since then, which I'll publish soon. David Lasocki....
11885 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 16, 2012
5:43 pm
Ho Keith do you trust French ebay? "hopefully" (sorry I couldn't resist) we have David Lasocki on the list :-) Th right term for recorder is : "flûte à bec...
11886 robert hillier
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May 16, 2012
10:02 pm
Hello Philippe: The same tune as used by Weiss apparently appears in a variety of lute manuscripts, with a variety of names, sometimes ascribed to him and...
11887 Philippe Allain-Dupr€...
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May 17, 2012
12:37 am
Hi Robert This discover makes much more sense : Tournée, taken as an adjective, like traverso, as much more meaning: I will inquire for a "bourrée...
11888 Ron
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May 17, 2012
2:48 am
... Perhaps a troupe of wandering entertainers called themselves "La tournée". Googling about, "bourrée tournée" would seem to be various combinations of...
11889 bedford_vanadium
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May 19, 2012
6:38 am
Hi All Has anyone in the group used a good casemaker or a box maker. I can line out a bare box no problem. Only in UK or Europe please Peter Worrell ...
11890 Kenneth
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May 19, 2012
11:26 am
There's gorgeous work at <http://www.fine-boxes.com/>. Try Wiseman <http://www.wisemancases.com/> for big, clunky, expensive, super-protective stuff. Monika...
11891 Eva Aralikatti
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May 19, 2012
12:14 pm
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11892 keithfre Offline Send Email May 21, 2012
6:17 pm
You could enquire about the wooden one on: http://www.boorinwoodmusic.com/html/flutes.html EMS have one suitable for a baroque flute in 3 pieces: ...
11893 Daniel
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May 24, 2012
3:16 am
Dear Earlyfluters, A client of mine has a wonderful flute that she is hoping to sell. It an anonymous six keyed instrument of boxwood with ivory rings and cap...
11894 Steven Goldman
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May 25, 2012
7:07 pm
Flutes of course, between 42,000 and 43,000 years old, older than those found in 2009. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18196349...
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