Dear friends,

This is my new recording. Please let me know your opinion.
http://www.box.net/shared/8sk7afqcsn

JEMI
www.jemimusic.com

PaHe Mastering "RAMADHAN"
1-14 September 2008

Untuk info lebih lanjut, silahkan kunjungi:
WWW.JEMIMUSIC.COM.

Untuk pertanyaan, silahkan kirimkan email ke:
jemi@...

Teman2,

Aku haya ingin berbagi kebahagiaan dan pengalaman. Moga2 bisa bermanfaat dan
memacu
kita semua untuk terus belajar dan berprestasi khususnya dibidang Sound
Engineering.

http://www.icom.edu.my/html/alumni_jemi.php

Jemi Sitanayah
Professional Recording Engineer
Online Mastering Engineer & Studio
McGill University (2009, MMus in Sound Recording Candidate)
Berklee College of Music (Magna Cum Laude)
YM = jemi_sitanayah@...
MSN = jemi_sitanayah@...
www.jemimusic.com

English my friend...here we write in English.

Thank you,
James


--- In electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Jemi Sitanayah"
<jemi_sitanayah@...> wrote:
>
> Halo Teman2,
>
> Aku baru aja membuka ONLINE MASTERING STUDIO. Mohon doa restu dan
dukungannya.
> Mudah2an saya dapat menolong band2 Indie Indonesia untuk
mendapatkan kualitas sound
> kelas dunia. Juga turut meningkatkan kualitas sound industri musik
Indonesia.
>
> Silahkan mendengarkan contoh singkat hasil masteringku untuk indie
band Palembang.
> www.jemimusic.com/jemimastering
>
> Untuk info lebih lanjut silahkan menghubungi saya di:
> jemi@...
>
> Silahkan bergabung dengan milis saya untuk mendapatkan berita2
terbaru di:
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/jemimusic/
>

Halo Teman2,

Aku baru aja membuka ONLINE MASTERING STUDIO. Mohon doa restu dan dukungannya.
Mudah2an saya dapat menolong band2 Indie Indonesia untuk mendapatkan kualitas
sound
kelas dunia. Juga turut meningkatkan kualitas sound industri musik Indonesia.

Silahkan mendengarkan contoh singkat hasil masteringku untuk indie band
Palembang.
www.jemimusic.com/jemimastering

Untuk info lebih lanjut silahkan menghubungi saya di:
jemi@...

Silahkan bergabung dengan milis saya untuk mendapatkan berita2 terbaru di:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/jemimusic/

Halo Teman2,

Aku baru aja membuka ONLINE MASTERING STUDIO. Mohon doa restu dan dukungannya.
Mudah2an saya dapat menolong band2 Indie Indonesia untuk mendapatkan kualitas
sound
kelas dunia. Juga turut meningkatkan kualitas sound industri musik Indonesia.

Silahkan mendengarkan contoh singkat hasil masteringku untuk indie band
Palembang.
www.jemimusic.com/jemimastering

Untuk info lebih lanjut silahkan menghubungi saya di:
jemi@...

Silahkan bergabung dengan milis saya untuk mendapatkan berita2 terbaru di:
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/jemimusic/

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I am pleased to introduce a new electone website to    you:
http://electone. tv/ <http://electone.tv/>   --
Your    ultimate Yamaha Electone TV channel that brings you the best
electone    performances.

If you have your own Yamaha    electone performance, please share with
us at
electone@electone. com <mailto:electone@...> . We    would love
to promote your video    here.


Thanks,

Electone.tv



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Dear Friends,

I would like to represent The World Class Classical Music presented by Students
of Richard
Raymond at Tanna Hall. This program has been live recorded, mixed, and mastered
by me.

Listen to the complete program:
http://www.jemimusic.com/index.php?id=4

Let me know your comment on the recording:
http://www.jemimusic.com/cgi-bin/guestbook/guestbook.cgi


Jemi Sitanayah
Master of Music in Sound Recording (Candidate)
McGill University
Berklee College of Music (BMus in Sound Recording and Piano)
www.jemimusic.com

HELLO ARE THERE ANY FANS AROUND NORTHANTS ?????

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It accually came with an MDR 4, which is great. Yes I agree the EL90 would have
been so much better, but these are very hard to comeby. In fact I have never
seen one for sale in NZ, but had seen an EL87, but the cost is over twice that I
got the EL50 for, So seeing the HS-8 I jumped at the chance due to be much
better then the EL50/60

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: jameshx1
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 11:27 AM
   Subject: [Electone Club International] Re: For it's age I find the HS-8 better


   Hi Dennis and hello Dave.

   First, I'd like to congratulate you on your new purchase, and I do
   agree that in many aspects the HS-8 is a much better instrument than
   the EL-50, and must say that if it was my decision I would've taken
   the HS-8 without thinking twice.

   But, I must also agree with Dave in the fact that the EL-90 (that's
   90 NOT 50...), is a much better tool than the HS-8. But as you've
   already have the HS, it's really not so important now.

   Regarding you've troubles with the bass and reg. button light, I
   strongly recommend using only genuine Yamaha parts (+ spears if you
   can), as using other more "durable"/"long-lasting" parts could (and
   most certainly will) damage more critical-and-extremely-hard-to-get
   parts such as the pedals themselves..

   I do hope you also have the MDR-2 (or 3), so you'll be able to
   download and enjoy HS-8 registrations and playbacks of others on the
   net.
   Of-course, if you don't have it - I strongly recommend buying one
   (if you can find it..).

   You can start with this site: http://www.ggbmusic.com/hs8/index.html

   In any case I wish you continuing playing and enjoying your music
   for many years.

   Yours,
   James Cohen - Israel

   --- In electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Rogers"
   <dennisrogers@...> wrote:
   >
   > Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
   > better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
   > pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
   > sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller.
   Even
   > though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.
   >
   > I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
   > they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
   > clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a
   lot
   > better on the EL50.
   >
   > So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
   > the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.
   >
   > The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so
   getting
   > a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to
   not
   > be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone
   know
   > how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not
   go.
   > Apart from that eveything else goes.
   >
   > Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do
   and
   > sound even better.
   >
   > The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So
   find
   > the HS-8 you can balance everything better.
   >






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Hi Dennis and hello Dave.

First, I'd like to congratulate you on your new purchase, and I do
agree that in many aspects the HS-8 is a much better instrument than
the EL-50, and must say that if it was my decision I would've taken
the HS-8 without thinking twice.

But, I must also agree with Dave in the fact that the EL-90 (that's
90 NOT 50...), is a much better tool than the HS-8. But as you've
already have the HS, it's really not so important now.

Regarding you've troubles with the bass and reg. button light, I
strongly recommend using only genuine Yamaha parts (+ spears if you
can), as using other more "durable"/"long-lasting" parts could (and
most certainly will) damage more critical-and-extremely-hard-to-get
parts such as the pedals themselves..

I do hope you also have the MDR-2 (or 3), so you'll be able to
download and enjoy HS-8 registrations and playbacks of others on the
net.
Of-course, if you don't have it - I strongly recommend buying one
(if you can find it..).

You can start with this site: http://www.ggbmusic.com/hs8/index.html


In any case I wish you continuing playing and enjoying your music
for many years.

Yours,
James Cohen - Israel



--- In electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis Rogers"
<dennisrogers@...> wrote:
>
> Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
> better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
> pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
> sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller.
Even
> though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.
>
> I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
> they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
> clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a
lot
> better on the EL50.
>
> So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
> the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.
>
> The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so
getting
> a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to
not
> be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone
know
> how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not
go.
> Apart from that eveything else goes.
>
> Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do
and
> sound even better.
>
> The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So
find
> the HS-8 you can balance everything better.
>

Dennis



Glad you are happy with the HS. I used to have an Atari program for tweaking
the sounds as I had an HE without the tweak facility. For what I remember
both Piano and Vibraphone are a bit “thin” and “oriental” in sounds and can
take quite a bit of adjustment. Much of this is personal preference though.
And do look out for a CVS10 if you can get one cheap. I think all the sounds
in that are really nice and it integrates well with the registration buttons
(and disk drive if you have one). If you don’t have a disk drive then you
can use a PC to store registrations but because of the handshake it’s a bit
fiddley… If you want help ask…



Dave.



-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Rogers
Sent: 16 December 2007 05:38
To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8
better



Yeah have the AWM cart. Came with the 3 with the Organ. And guess as you say
twick the sounds to get them clearer. The HS-8 is certianly much better then
my EL50

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Wade
To: electoneclubinterna <mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com>
tional@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8
better

Dennis,

If the pedals have the usual fault of "soggy rubbers" it is possible to do
yourself. In the UK you can get a set of pedal rubbers from Yamaha, for I
think about £15.0 they are the same size as the EL90 and the EL90 are a
better rubber so last longer. The pedals have a kind of "kinife edge" cast
in the bottom that sits on the rubber, and eventually chops it in half. Its
"just" a matter of tilting the instrument on its back and replacing them.

Isn't there an AWM card for piano? The FM Piano can be "improved" by
tweaking it in the edit menu. And if you can find an AWM10 and brackets that
will sort out your piano sounds and add a really nice harpsichord as well.

Dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinterna
<mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com> tional@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinterna
<mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com> tional@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis
Rogers
Sent: 15 December 2007 18:46
To: electoneclubinterna <mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com>
tional@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8 better

Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller. Even
though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.

I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a lot
better on the EL50.

So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.

The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so getting
a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to not
be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone know
how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not go.
Apart from that eveything else goes.

Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do and
sound even better.

The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So find
the HS-8 you can balance everything better.

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But you would probably wear out the pedals instead…



-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Rogers
Sent: 16 December 2007 05:36
To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8
better



I read somewhere if you place metal washers so sandwich the rubbers with
washers you never have to replace the rubbers, or last much longer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Wade
To: electoneclubinterna <mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com>
tional@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:50 AM
Subject: RE: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8
better

Dennis,

If the pedals have the usual fault of "soggy rubbers" it is possible to do
yourself. In the UK you can get a set of pedal rubbers from Yamaha, for I
think about £15.0 they are the same size as the EL90 and the EL90 are a
better rubber so last longer. The pedals have a kind of "kinife edge" cast
in the bottom that sits on the rubber, and eventually chops it in half. Its
"just" a matter of tilting the instrument on its back and replacing them.

Isn't there an AWM card for piano? The FM Piano can be "improved" by
tweaking it in the edit menu. And if you can find an AWM10 and brackets that
will sort out your piano sounds and add a really nice harpsichord as well.

Dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinterna
<mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com> tional@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinterna
<mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com> tional@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis
Rogers
Sent: 15 December 2007 18:46
To: electoneclubinterna <mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com>
tional@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8 better

Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller. Even
though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.

I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a lot
better on the EL50.

So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.

The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so getting
a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to not
be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone know
how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not go.
Apart from that eveything else goes.

Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do and
sound even better.

The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So find
the HS-8 you can balance everything better.

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Yeah have the AWM cart. Came with the 3 with the Organ. And guess as you say
twick the sounds to get them clearer. The HS-8 is certianly much better then my
EL50

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Wade
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:50 AM
   Subject: RE: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8 better


   Dennis,

   If the pedals have the usual fault of "soggy rubbers" it is possible to do
   yourself. In the UK you can get a set of pedal rubbers from Yamaha, for I
   think about £15.0 they are the same size as the EL90 and the EL90 are a
   better rubber so last longer. The pedals have a kind of "kinife edge" cast
   in the bottom that sits on the rubber, and eventually chops it in half. Its
   "just" a matter of tilting the instrument on its back and replacing them.

   Isn't there an AWM card for piano? The FM Piano can be "improved" by
   tweaking it in the edit menu. And if you can find an AWM10 and brackets that
   will sort out your piano sounds and add a really nice harpsichord as well.

   Dave.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
   Rogers
   Sent: 15 December 2007 18:46
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8 better

   Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
   better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
   pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
   sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller. Even
   though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.

   I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
   they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
   clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a lot
   better on the EL50.

   So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
   the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.

   The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so getting
   a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to not
   be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone know
   how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not go.
   Apart from that eveything else goes.

   Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do and
   sound even better.

   The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So find
   the HS-8 you can balance everything better.

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I read somewhere if you place metal washers so sandwich the rubbers with washers
you never have to replace the rubbers, or last much longer.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Wade
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 8:50 AM
   Subject: RE: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8 better


   Dennis,

   If the pedals have the usual fault of "soggy rubbers" it is possible to do
   yourself. In the UK you can get a set of pedal rubbers from Yamaha, for I
   think about £15.0 they are the same size as the EL90 and the EL90 are a
   better rubber so last longer. The pedals have a kind of "kinife edge" cast
   in the bottom that sits on the rubber, and eventually chops it in half. Its
   "just" a matter of tilting the instrument on its back and replacing them.

   Isn't there an AWM card for piano? The FM Piano can be "improved" by
   tweaking it in the edit menu. And if you can find an AWM10 and brackets that
   will sort out your piano sounds and add a really nice harpsichord as well.

   Dave.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
   Rogers
   Sent: 15 December 2007 18:46
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8 better

   Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
   better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
   pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
   sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller. Even
   though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.

   I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
   they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
   clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a lot
   better on the EL50.

   So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
   the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.

   The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so getting
   a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to not
   be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone know
   how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not go.
   Apart from that eveything else goes.

   Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do and
   sound even better.

   The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So find
   the HS-8 you can balance everything better.

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Dennis,



  If the pedals have the usual fault of “soggy rubbers” it is possible to do
yourself. In the UK you can get a set of pedal rubbers from Yamaha, for I
think about £15.0 they are the same size as the EL90 and the EL90 are a
better rubber so last longer. The pedals have a kind of “kinife edge” cast
in the bottom that sits on the rubber, and eventually chops it in half. Its
“just” a matter of tilting the instrument on its back and replacing them.



Isn’t there an AWM card for piano? The FM Piano can be “improved” by
tweaking it in the edit menu. And if you can find an AWM10 and brackets that
will sort out your piano sounds and add a really nice harpsichord as well.



Dave.



-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Rogers
Sent: 15 December 2007 18:46
To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Electone Club International] For it's age I find the HS-8 better



Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller. Even
though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.

I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a lot
better on the EL50.

So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.

The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so getting
a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to not
be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone know
how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not go.
Apart from that eveything else goes.

Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do and
sound even better.

The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So find
the HS-8 you can balance everything better.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Got my HS-8 and so far find it better then my EL50. seems to have a
better more powerful rythim section. The drums and bass are more
pronounced, and you can balance between more drums or less. More
sounds, can layer more instruments, so the organ sounds fuller. Even
though it's less wattage then the EL50 it sounds louder.

I don't find the instruments sounding a lot worse then the EL50, as
they sound basically the same apart from the EL50's are a little
clearer and sharper. The only worse thing I find is the panio is a lot
better on the EL50.

So differences in instruments I don't find that much difference, so
the HS-8 still sounds as good as my EL50.

The only thing I need to get fixed is the pedals don't go, so getting
a tech around to reconditon the pedals. The flip down lid seems to not
be straight, one side is more up than the other, so does anyone know
how to adjust this. And the number 16 regsitration light does not go.
Apart from that eveything else goes.

Been playing it and can do a lot more then my EL50 could ever do and
sound even better.

The balance between upper and lower keyboards even is better. So find
the HS-8 you can balance everything better.

The HS-8 has a small LCD display. From what I remember its main use was for
editing the FM Voices. In common with most of the HE and HS organs the HE
allows you to define four "user voices" , but unlike most other HS and HEs,
you can edit the voices on the instrument. On the others you could either
load them from ROM cards, or from memory packs or registration disks that
you had created on one of the HS instruments with the voice editing
facility..



Dave.



(Or use a program. There were a couple about for the HE and HS. I wrote one
for my Atari ST..)



-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert M.
Kowie
Sent: 01 December 2007 03:24
To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8



Hrmmm.... I don't recall the LCD part. Maybe they did a mid-cycle
"refresh" or something and add that feature in. You know, like car
makers do.

Gil.

Dennis Rogers wrote:
>
>
> On thing I have forgotten to ask is am I seeing things? I have thought I
> have seen pictures of the HS-8, and not only does it have the tumbler
> for selecting sounds, but also a small LCD. I have noticed it on some
> and not others?
>
> Or am I seeing things?





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Since I am about to get an HS-8 I thought I would start a group as
there is little on the internet about them, so all us owners can
support each other.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/hsowners/

Hrmmm.... I don't recall the LCD part.  Maybe they did a mid-cycle
"refresh" or something and add that feature in.  You know, like car
makers do.

Gil.


Dennis Rogers wrote:
>
>
> On thing I have forgotten to ask is am I seeing things? I have thought I
> have seen pictures of the HS-8, and not only does it have the tumbler
> for selecting sounds, but also a small LCD. I have noticed it on some
> and not others?
>
> Or am I seeing things?

On thing I have forgotten to ask is am I seeing things? I have thought I have
seen pictures of the HS-8, and not only does it have the tumbler for selecting
sounds, but also a small LCD. I have noticed it on some and not others?

Or am I seeing things?
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Wade
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:16 PM
   Subject: RE: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8


   You forgot the draw bars. Plus you can put upper lead and one pedal voice to
   lower.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert M.
   Kowie
   Sent: 30 November 2007 23:28
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

   I, for one, want my HS-8 back!!!! :)

   That was my 2nd Electone of the digital era after the FE-70 (started in
   the 70's with the B-series). Then lo' and behold I upgraded to an
   EL-90. Hrmmm.....
   I like the rolling drum for voice selection better. I miss that thing! :)
   And somebody correct me if I'm wrong... I'm going by memory. The HS-8
   can have 4 voices layered (orchestra, combination, AWM, Lead), while the
   EL-90 just have 3 (voice 1, voice 2, lead).

   Gil.

   Dennis Rogers wrote:
   >
   >
   > I also belief that did they not drop the Sequncer and rythim
   > programiblity? My EL50 like the EL60 has this and I feel is more useful
   > then drawbars as I can using backing disks and different rythim styles.
   >

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I do know I sometimes go and see this guy I know, who is now in his mid 80's,
and he has an MC600, with the tumbler like the HS-8 and it is so much easier to
use then mine, and with less buttons involved It makes quick work of selecting
voices. I don't know why yamaha did not retain this idea. I think it makes
selection easier then going though pages on your LCD.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Wade
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 1:16 PM
   Subject: RE: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8


   You forgot the draw bars. Plus you can put upper lead and one pedal voice to
   lower.

   -----Original Message-----
   From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   [mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert M.
   Kowie
   Sent: 30 November 2007 23:28
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

   I, for one, want my HS-8 back!!!! :)

   That was my 2nd Electone of the digital era after the FE-70 (started in
   the 70's with the B-series). Then lo' and behold I upgraded to an
   EL-90. Hrmmm.....
   I like the rolling drum for voice selection better. I miss that thing! :)
   And somebody correct me if I'm wrong... I'm going by memory. The HS-8
   can have 4 voices layered (orchestra, combination, AWM, Lead), while the
   EL-90 just have 3 (voice 1, voice 2, lead).

   Gil.

   Dennis Rogers wrote:
   >
   >
   > I also belief that did they not drop the Sequncer and rythim
   > programiblity? My EL50 like the EL60 has this and I feel is more useful
   > then drawbars as I can using backing disks and different rythim styles.
   >

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You forgot the draw bars. Plus you can put upper lead and one pedal voice to
lower.



-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gilbert M.
Kowie
Sent: 30 November 2007 23:28
To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8



I, for one, want my HS-8 back!!!! :)

That was my 2nd Electone of the digital era after the FE-70 (started in
the 70's with the B-series). Then lo' and behold I upgraded to an
EL-90. Hrmmm.....
I like the rolling drum for voice selection better. I miss that thing! :)
And somebody correct me if I'm wrong... I'm going by memory. The HS-8
can have 4 voices layered (orchestra, combination, AWM, Lead), while the
EL-90 just have 3 (voice 1, voice 2, lead).

Gil.

Dennis Rogers wrote:
>
>
> I also belief that did they not drop the Sequncer and rythim
> programiblity? My EL50 like the EL60 has this and I feel is more useful
> then drawbars as I can using backing disks and different rythim styles.
>





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I would just say the HE was very much an "entry level" device, dummed down
device. It was the first Organ I bought and I really enjoyed it. My dad
still has one. A great instrument to learn on having long keyboards and
pedals, but oh so lacking in sounds, even after I wrote a program for my
Atari ST to edit the voices.. Still I would much rather have one of those
than an EL10, 15 or 20...



-----Original Message-----
From: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
Rogers
Sent: 30 November 2007 22:34
To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8



One thing I have learned about Organs is newer is not always better. I have
read in some forums that some concidered the HS series much better then the
HE series, yet was a later organ.

A friend of mine has two Farfisa Organs, and is going to take them apart and
to use parts of these for a real pipe organ his is making

One was an earlier model, and the other a later model, yet the earlier one
had more on it and even sounded better. It also had better amplifcation on
it also.

So don't get bound by the fact because it's new it's better. This does not
always apply to organs, as these got more expensive they dropped things here
and there. The same applies to the EL series if you look at the musem you
will see some models where better then others.

My EL50 sounds better then the EL25 I had, so maybe better sampling. Also
the aftertouch makes a big difference in able to express yourself and the
instrument your playing more natural. With the EL50 they dropped the
drawbars and some of the other settings like some of the extra rythms the
EL60 has. Also the one touch play is not there. And tone brightness, but
these are small things missing, so in some ways my EL25 was better, like
drawbars.

But I found I never used them, so as far as the HS-8 goes it's something I
won't miss as I don't accually play the standard Organ sounds very much now,
and going my what's on You Tube they don't seem to be used much either in
the EL90's and EL900's. People now I think would rather mimik a whole
orchistra now rather the the Organ sound.

As for playing and changing sounds quickly. Almost everyone I know or have
seen does not change voices manually while playing, they always seem have
them preloaded in registration memory or off disk. In the old days that is
all you could do is change sounds on the fly as no registration memories
then. But now to make the best use of the Organ you have to really have the
regisrations you want prearranged before you play. Certianly live no one
ever changes instuments on the fly but always from disk, so to make the most
of an organ you really cannot change or select sounds you want as most now
on the Electones are hidden and now use the dotted buttons to tranfer
instruments to a button. This seems common, and not the best method at all.

I think the bigger EL series are a lot more user friendly then the lower
bottom end EL series. I have to go through several pages just to select the
voice I want, so cannot do a lot of voice changes on the fly.

I do notice with the HS-8 these had the drum roller which is more freindly
than the system I have for selecting instruments.

Also I only have about 30 instruments to choose from and only around 16 are
available from my buttons.

So in some ways the HS will be easier to get around then my EL will be, but
sure it more dotted buttons and less to pick from on the fly, but how many
do this now. I don't see anyone do it now. All from disk or setting up in
advance what you want. Does not the HS have something like 90 voices? With
the HS you have 8 voice selections, on my El I only have 4, so this Gives
the HS more scope and can sound bigger. I do notice the upper EL series has
2 lots of voice selections, but why do they duplcate the same voices for
each I don't understand. I notice with the HS they are not duplicated as far
as I can tell looking at the download manual. Would it not have made more
sense to have both voice selections with different instruments, thereby
making it unessary to have to make so much use of using dotted buttons? Did
not the latter EL series make use of dotted buttons, whereas the ealier ones
did not?

Having to put voices into dotted buttons is a bit of a pain, and sure will
be a bit worse for the HS over my EL, but can access them easier on the HS
then my EL, as with my EL I have to press the button each to to access a new
page each time which is also pain.

But since I cannot afford an EL70+ The HS is still got to sound bigger and
better then my EL is and the HS will do a lot more then my EL will, so a
good compromise. And listen to the HS-8 on You Tube it still sounds a
wonderful instrument and still sound pretty realistic, and to my ear still
stands up well to the EL series.

I can only see they can take live recored instruments only up to a certian
point and the ear cannot notice the difference. As one person pointed out
all the EL's sound the same, he Rolands etc is because they cannot advance
anymore or if they do it's that minor the ear cannot tell. So I cannot see
there will not be that great a diffrerence between the EL and HS, sure there
will be a difference due to techology but not by a hugh ammount. I think
they have reached the limit.

I accually have a PSR S500 and the sounds are better then the EL series, but
not by that much I feel listening to many MP3'S and EL 90 and 900 there is
hardly any difference in sound quaility to me anyway. I could be wrong.

I do notice my PSR S500 is clearer, but I accually like the trumpt far
better then my PSR S500.

I think the biggest difference between my PSR and the EL series is the
rythms and styles on my PSR is much better and clearer. But clearer
instruments does not always make it better. I like the EL sounds better than
my PSR S500, they are cleaner, but not better by miles.

But newer is not always better. I have read and talked to many organist who
will accually tell you older is better. Depends on if you want an organ to
sound like an organ or you want an Orchestra.

I would think as an Orchstrea the HS will do a lot better then my lower end
EL will do. And looking in the manual is a lot more progamable and like how
like the upper EL series you can even alter the voices and progam them to
sound different.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Wade
To: electoneclubinterna <mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com>
tional@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

The HS-8 is much older technology, so I would expect reliability issues to
be starting to appear and some spares may be hard to obtain. Batteries in
RAM packs may need replacing, not an easy task.

When to playing "live" its more limited than an EL series organ. Whilst it
has plenty of sections you only get a limited number of voices that directly
accessible from the front panel. Changing voices needs either both hands, or
use of the registration memories.

Not sure if the EL50 has draw bar sounds. The HS-8 does not, but a separate
expander was available.

HS-8 sounds are almost all pure FM. To my ear the percussive sounds (Piano,
Guitar, Xylophone) in the EL series are much cleaner and nicer, but again I
am not familiar with those in the EL-50 so they may be the same.

There are differences in the way the Leslie emulation (chorus etc.) works.

Personally I would look to part-ex for an EL70 or EL90. I think you would
find the money well spent.

Check what extras come with it. The AWM voices are on cards, one per manual.
Does it have extra cards. Does it have any RAM packs for storing
registrations? Does it have a disk drive? (This can be used instead of RAM
Packs) Does it have any of the extrra AWM voice cards for easy loading of
extra voices. Does it have any expanders.

Dave G4UGM
Illegitimi Non Carborundum

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis Rogers
To: electoneclubinterna <mailto:electoneclubinternational%40yahoogroups.com>
tional@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:22 AM
Subject: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

I have a EL50 at the moment, and came across a HS-8. I notice it
shares a lot in common with the EL700+ series. I figure the HS-8 will
be heaps more versital then my EL50, which is still bottom range EL
and not that many voices, and the HS-8 even though is older will do a
lot more and far more programmable.

What are your thoughts? Am I doing the right thing? I do notice on You
Tube the odd video shows the HS-8 will achive a lot more them my EL50
and still stands up well today, even compared to the higher EL series.

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Looking at the manual for the HS-8 this is correct. And know that the EL70 has
two duplicated upper keyboard voices, and a lead. With my EL50 I only have one
seleciton of keyboard and lead voice so only 2 layers as opposied to 4, so it's
got to be better, and with the MOC also would sound very powerful out of a good
amp


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Gilbert M. Kowie
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 12:28 PM
   Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8


   I, for one, want my HS-8 back!!!! :)

   That was my 2nd Electone of the digital era after the FE-70 (started in
   the 70's with the B-series). Then lo' and behold I upgraded to an
   EL-90. Hrmmm.....
   I like the rolling drum for voice selection better. I miss that thing! :)
   And somebody correct me if I'm wrong... I'm going by memory. The HS-8
   can have 4 voices layered (orchestra, combination, AWM, Lead), while the
   EL-90 just have 3 (voice 1, voice 2, lead).

   Gil.

   Dennis Rogers wrote:
   >
   >
   > I also belief that did they not drop the Sequncer and rythim
   > programiblity? My EL50 like the EL60 has this and I feel is more useful
   > then drawbars as I can using backing disks and different rythim styles.
   >






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I, for one, want my HS-8 back!!!!  :)

That was my 2nd Electone of the digital era after the FE-70 (started in
the 70's with the B-series).  Then lo' and behold I upgraded to an
EL-90.  Hrmmm.....
I like the rolling drum for voice selection better.  I miss that thing!  :)
And somebody correct me if I'm wrong... I'm going by memory.  The HS-8
can have 4 voices layered (orchestra, combination, AWM, Lead), while the
EL-90 just have 3 (voice 1, voice 2, lead).

Gil.


Dennis Rogers wrote:
>
>
> I also belief that did they not drop the Sequncer and rythim
> programiblity? My EL50 like the EL60 has this and I feel is more useful
> then drawbars as I can using backing disks and different rythim styles.
>

Hi,

when will you upload the sheets?

Michael


----- Ursprüngliche Mail ----
Von: fr_hooligan <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
An: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
Gesendet: Montag, den 5. November 2007, 18:58:30 Uhr
Betreff: [Electone Club International] Re: Share music scores

Well, i have an arragement of "Take the A train" and "the autumn
leaves"...they sound pretty good.
I will upload some videos at you tube so you can hear them...
According to the scores, they are grade 5-4 respectively so you can
realize of the difficulty.
I also have "Recado BossaNova" which is very similar to the version
that the "manhattan jazz quintet" plays...
I'll scan some sheets to you in the next days and also if you are
interested, i have some movie main themes like superman, startreck,
back to the future...
The scores are for electone





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Look here
http://www.youtube.com/user/LymeBayExperience

Dave Wade <g4ugm@...> wrote:                              
Chris,

  Its been a long time since I played an HS-8, and it is a very versatile organ,
and if you can't afford an EL70 or 90 then its probably the next best thing. I
must admit if I had the space I would have both an HS-8 and an EL-90. (and an
HX1 but then I always was gready) Personally I really like the brass sounds in
the HS series, but the in the EL90 the draw bars are so available as to be
stunning. Just go and look at http://www.elizabeth-harrison.com/video.php. Not
sure if you can see in the videos but she plays the EL900 like a Hammond,
tweaking the drawer bars as she plays. Amazing.... (I wish I could do it!)

  Dave G4UGM
  Illegitimi Non Carborundum

  ----- Original Message -----
    From: chris rendall
    To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 7:06 PM
    Subject: RE: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

  Hi Dave
    Reading your comments on the HS vs EL I think I would tend to disagree a
little, on the HS8 you can work it to such an extent that the organ/drawbar
sounds are far more realistic that the EL, also, if you mix the symphonic chorus
with the tremelo effect, you can get very close to a REAL Leslie speaker sound.
    Chris

  To: electoneclubinternational@...:
g4ugm@...: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 08:27:54 +0000Subject: Re:
[Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

  The HS-8 is much older technology, so I would expect reliability issues to be
starting to appear and some spares may be hard to obtain. Batteries in RAM packs
may need replacing, not an easy task.When to playing "live" its more limited
than an EL series organ. Whilst it has plenty of sections you only get a limited
number of voices that directly accessible from the front panel. Changing voices
needs either both hands, or use of the registration memories.Not sure if the
EL50 has draw bar sounds. The HS-8 does not, but a separate expander was
available.HS-8 sounds are almost all pure FM. To my ear the percussive sounds
(Piano, Guitar, Xylophone) in the EL series are much cleaner and nicer, but
again I am not familiar with those in the EL-50 so they may be the same.There
are differences in the way the Leslie emulation (chorus etc.) works.Personally I
would look to part-ex for an EL70 or EL90. I think you would find the money well
spent. Check what extras come with it. The AWM
  voices are on cards, one per manual. Does it have extra cards. Does it have any
RAM packs for storing registrations? Does it have a disk drive? (This can be
used instead of RAM Packs) Does it have any of the extrra AWM voice cards for
easy loading of extra voices. Does it have any expanders.Dave G4UGMIllegitimi
Non Carborundum ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Rogers To:
electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:22
AMSubject: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8I have a EL50 at the
moment, and came across a HS-8. I notice itshares a lot in common with the
EL700+ series. I figure the HS-8 willbe heaps more versital then my EL50, which
is still bottom range ELand not that many voices, and the HS-8 even though is
older will do alot more and far more programmable. What are your thoughts? Am I
doing the right thing? I do notice on YouTube the odd video shows the HS-8 will
achive a lot more them my EL50and still stands up well
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I also belief that did they not drop the Sequncer and rythim programiblity? My
EL50 like the EL60 has this and I feel is more useful then drawbars as I can
using backing disks and different rythim styles.


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dennis Rogers
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:34 AM
   Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8


   One thing I have learned about Organs is newer is not always better. I have
read in some forums that some concidered the HS series much better then the HE
series, yet was a later organ.

   A friend of mine has two Farfisa Organs, and is going to take them apart and
to use parts of these for a real pipe organ his is making

   One was an earlier model, and the other a later model, yet the earlier one had
more on it and even sounded better. It also had better amplifcation on it also.

   So don't get bound by the fact because it's new it's better. This does not
always apply to organs, as these got more expensive they dropped things here and
there. The same applies to the EL series if you look at the musem you will see
some models where better then others.

   My EL50 sounds better then the EL25 I had, so maybe better sampling. Also the
aftertouch makes a big difference in able to express yourself and the instrument
your playing more natural. With the EL50 they dropped the drawbars and some of
the other settings like some of the extra rythms the EL60 has. Also the one
touch play is not there. And tone brightness, but these are small things
missing, so in some ways my EL25 was better, like drawbars.

   But I found I never used them, so as far as the HS-8 goes it's something I
won't miss as I don't accually play the standard Organ sounds very much now, and
going my what's on You Tube they don't seem to be used much either in the EL90's
and EL900's. People now I think would rather mimik a whole orchistra now rather
the the Organ sound.

   As for playing and changing sounds quickly. Almost everyone I know or have
seen does not change voices manually while playing, they always seem have them
preloaded in registration memory or off disk. In the old days that is all you
could do is change sounds on the fly as no registration memories then. But now
to make the best use of the Organ you have to really have the regisrations you
want prearranged before you play. Certianly live no one ever changes instuments
on the fly but always from disk, so to make the most of an organ you really
cannot change or select sounds you want as most now on the Electones are hidden
and now use the dotted buttons to tranfer instruments to a button. This seems
common, and not the best method at all.

   I think the bigger EL series are a lot more user friendly then the lower
bottom end EL series. I have to go through several pages just to select the
voice I want, so cannot do a lot of voice changes on the fly.

   I do notice with the HS-8 these had the drum roller which is more freindly
than the system I have for selecting instruments.

   Also I only have about 30 instruments to choose from and only around 16 are
available from my buttons.

   So in some ways the HS will be easier to get around then my EL will be, but
sure it more dotted buttons and less to pick from on the fly, but how many do
this now. I don't see anyone do it now. All from disk or setting up in advance
what you want. Does not the HS have something like 90 voices? With the HS you
have 8 voice selections, on my El I only have 4, so this Gives the HS more scope
and can sound bigger. I do notice the upper EL series has 2 lots of voice
selections, but why do they duplcate the same voices for each I don't
understand. I notice with the HS they are not duplicated as far as I can tell
looking at the download manual. Would it not have made more sense to have both
voice selections with different instruments, thereby making it unessary to have
to make so much use of using dotted buttons? Did not the latter EL series make
use of dotted buttons, whereas the ealier ones did not?

   Having to put voices into dotted buttons is a bit of a pain, and sure will be
a bit worse for the HS over my EL, but can access them easier on the HS then my
EL, as with my EL I have to press the button each to to access a new page each
time which is also pain.

   But since I cannot afford an EL70+ The HS is still got to sound bigger and
better then my EL is and the HS will do a lot more then my EL will, so a good
compromise. And listen to the HS-8 on You Tube it still sounds a wonderful
instrument and still sound pretty realistic, and to my ear still stands up well
to the EL series.

   I can only see they can take live recored instruments only up to a certian
point and the ear cannot notice the difference. As one person pointed out all
the EL's sound the same, he Rolands etc is because they cannot advance anymore
or if they do it's that minor the ear cannot tell. So I cannot see there will
not be that great a diffrerence between the EL and HS, sure there will be a
difference due to techology but not by a hugh ammount. I think they have reached
the limit.

   I accually have a PSR S500 and the sounds are better then the EL series, but
not by that much I feel listening to many MP3'S and EL 90 and 900 there is
hardly any difference in sound quaility to me anyway. I could be wrong.

   I do notice my PSR S500 is clearer, but I accually like the trumpt far better
then my PSR S500.

   I think the biggest difference between my PSR and the EL series is the rythms
and styles on my PSR is much better and clearer. But clearer instruments does
not always make it better. I like the EL sounds better than my PSR S500, they
are cleaner, but not better by miles.

   But newer is not always better. I have read and talked to many organist who
will accually tell you older is better. Depends on if you want an organ to sound
like an organ or you want an Orchestra.

   I would think as an Orchstrea the HS will do a lot better then my lower end EL
will do. And looking in the manual is a lot more progamable and like how like
the upper EL series you can even alter the voices and progam them to sound
different.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Wade
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:27 PM
   Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

   The HS-8 is much older technology, so I would expect reliability issues to be
starting to appear and some spares may be hard to obtain. Batteries in RAM packs
may need replacing, not an easy task.

   When to playing "live" its more limited than an EL series organ. Whilst it has
plenty of sections you only get a limited number of voices that directly
accessible from the front panel. Changing voices needs either both hands, or use
of the registration memories.

   Not sure if the EL50 has draw bar sounds. The HS-8 does not, but a separate
expander was available.

   HS-8 sounds are almost all pure FM. To my ear the percussive sounds (Piano,
Guitar, Xylophone) in the EL series are much cleaner and nicer, but again I am
not familiar with those in the EL-50 so they may be the same.

   There are differences in the way the Leslie emulation (chorus etc.) works.

   Personally I would look to part-ex for an EL70 or EL90. I think you would find
the money well spent.

   Check what extras come with it. The AWM voices are on cards, one per manual.
Does it have extra cards. Does it have any RAM packs for storing registrations?
Does it have a disk drive? (This can be used instead of RAM Packs) Does it have
any of the extrra AWM voice cards for easy loading of extra voices. Does it have
any expanders.

   Dave G4UGM
   Illegitimi Non Carborundum

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dennis Rogers
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:22 AM
   Subject: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

   I have a EL50 at the moment, and came across a HS-8. I notice it
   shares a lot in common with the EL700+ series. I figure the HS-8 will
   be heaps more versital then my EL50, which is still bottom range EL
   and not that many voices, and the HS-8 even though is older will do a
   lot more and far more programmable.

   What are your thoughts? Am I doing the right thing? I do notice on You
   Tube the odd video shows the HS-8 will achive a lot more them my EL50
   and still stands up well today, even compared to the higher EL series.

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One thing I have learned about Organs is newer is not always better. I have read
in some forums that some concidered the HS series much better then the HE
series, yet was a later organ.

A friend of mine has two Farfisa Organs, and is going to take them apart and to
use parts of these for a real pipe organ his is making

One was an earlier model, and the other a later model, yet the earlier one had
more on it and even sounded better. It also had better amplifcation on it also.

So don't get bound by the fact because it's new it's better. This does not
always apply to organs, as these got more expensive they dropped things here and
there. The same applies to the EL series if you look at the musem you will see
some models where better then others.

My EL50 sounds better then the EL25 I had, so maybe better sampling. Also the
aftertouch makes a big difference in able to express yourself and the instrument
your playing more natural. With the EL50 they dropped the drawbars and some of
the other settings like some of the extra rythms the EL60 has. Also the one
touch play is not there. And tone brightness, but these are small things
missing, so in some ways my EL25 was better, like drawbars.

But I found I never used them, so as far as the HS-8 goes it's something I won't
miss as I don't accually play the standard Organ sounds very much now, and going
my what's on You Tube they don't seem to be used much either in the EL90's and
EL900's. People now I think would rather mimik a whole orchistra now rather the
the Organ sound.

As for playing and changing sounds quickly. Almost everyone I know or have seen
does not change voices manually while playing, they always seem have them
preloaded in registration memory or off disk. In the old days that is all you
could do is change sounds on the fly as no registration memories then. But now
to make the best use of the Organ you have to really have the regisrations you
want prearranged before you play. Certianly live no one ever changes instuments
on the fly but always from disk, so to make the most of an organ you really
cannot change or select sounds you want as most now on the Electones are hidden
and now use the dotted buttons to tranfer instruments to a button. This seems
common, and not the best method at all.

I think the bigger EL series are a lot more user friendly then the lower bottom
end EL series. I have to go through several pages just to select the voice I
want, so cannot do a lot of voice changes on the fly.

I do notice with the HS-8 these had the drum roller which is more freindly than
the system I have for selecting instruments.

Also I only have about 30 instruments to choose from and only around 16 are
available from my buttons.

So in some ways the HS will be easier to get around then my EL will be, but sure
it more dotted buttons and less to pick from on the fly, but how many do this
now. I don't see anyone do it now. All from disk or setting up in advance what
you want. Does not the HS have something like 90 voices? With the HS you have 8
voice selections, on my El I only have 4, so this Gives the HS more scope and
can sound bigger. I do notice the upper EL series has 2 lots of voice
selections, but why do they duplcate the same voices for each I don't
understand. I notice with the HS they are not duplicated as far as I can tell
looking at the download manual. Would it not have made more sense to have both
voice selections with different instruments, thereby making it unessary to have
to make so much use of using dotted buttons? Did not the latter EL series make
use of dotted buttons, whereas the ealier ones did not?

Having to put voices into dotted buttons is a bit of a pain, and sure will be a
bit worse for the HS over my EL, but can access them easier on the HS then my
EL, as with my EL I have to press the button each to to access a new page each
time which is also pain.

But since I cannot afford an EL70+ The HS is still got to sound bigger and
better then my EL is and the HS will do a lot more then my EL will, so a good
compromise. And listen to the HS-8 on You Tube it still sounds a wonderful
instrument and still sound pretty realistic, and to my ear still stands up well
to the EL series.

I can only see they can take live recored instruments only up to a certian point
and the ear cannot notice the difference. As one person pointed out all the EL's
sound the same, he Rolands etc is because they cannot advance anymore or if they
do it's that minor the ear cannot tell. So I cannot see there will not be that
great a diffrerence between the EL and HS, sure there will be a difference due
to techology but not by a hugh ammount. I think they have reached the limit.

I accually have a PSR S500 and the sounds are better then the EL series, but not
by that much I feel listening to many MP3'S and EL 90 and 900 there is hardly
any difference in sound quaility to me anyway. I could be wrong.

I do notice my PSR S500 is clearer, but I accually like the trumpt far better
then my PSR S500.

I think the biggest difference between my PSR and the EL series is the rythms
and styles on my PSR is much better and clearer. But clearer instruments does
not always make it better. I like the EL sounds better than my PSR S500, they
are cleaner, but not better by miles.

But newer is not always better. I have read and talked to many organist who will
accually tell you older is better. Depends on if you want an organ to sound like
an organ or you want an Orchestra.

I would think as an Orchstrea the HS will do a lot better then my lower end EL
will do. And looking in the manual is a lot more progamable and like how like
the upper EL series you can even alter the voices and progam them to sound
different.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dave Wade
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:27 PM
   Subject: Re: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8


   The HS-8 is much older technology, so I would expect reliability issues to be
starting to appear and some spares may be hard to obtain. Batteries in RAM packs
may need replacing, not an easy task.

   When to playing "live" its more limited than an EL series organ. Whilst it has
plenty of sections you only get a limited number of voices that directly
accessible from the front panel. Changing voices needs either both hands, or use
of the registration memories.

   Not sure if the EL50 has draw bar sounds. The HS-8 does not, but a separate
expander was available.

   HS-8 sounds are almost all pure FM. To my ear the percussive sounds (Piano,
Guitar, Xylophone) in the EL series are much cleaner and nicer, but again I am
not familiar with those in the EL-50 so they may be the same.

   There are differences in the way the Leslie emulation (chorus etc.) works.

   Personally I would look to part-ex for an EL70 or EL90. I think you would find
the money well spent.

   Check what extras come with it. The AWM voices are on cards, one per manual.
Does it have extra cards. Does it have any RAM packs for storing registrations?
Does it have a disk drive? (This can be used instead of RAM Packs) Does it have
any of the extrra AWM voice cards for easy loading of extra voices. Does it have
any expanders.

   Dave G4UGM
   Illegitimi Non Carborundum

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Dennis Rogers
   To: electoneclubinternational@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 6:22 AM
   Subject: [Electone Club International] Getting an HS-8

   I have a EL50 at the moment, and came across a HS-8. I notice it
   shares a lot in common with the EL700+ series. I figure the HS-8 will
   be heaps more versital then my EL50, which is still bottom range EL
   and not that many voices, and the HS-8 even though is older will do a
   lot more and far more programmable.

   What are your thoughts? Am I doing the right thing? I do notice on You
   Tube the odd video shows the HS-8 will achive a lot more them my EL50
   and still stands up well today, even compared to the higher EL series.

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