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#1262 From: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed Dec 23, 2009 1:48 am
Subject: New file uploaded to guitarlogic
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the guitarlogic
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   File        : / Can't You Play Any Nice SONGS!?!/-K-/Kenny Chesney - Down The
Road.txt
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   Description :

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#1261 From: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:44 pm
Subject: New file uploaded to guitarlogic
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Hello,

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   File        : /TABS, POWERTABS, and MORE TABS!/PowerTab Files/Songs/John Mayer
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#1260 From: nivedita mahapatra <mahanivs@...>
Date: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:18 am
Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Nice Song by Radical Face
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hey really nice one...


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Sent: Sun, 13 December, 2009 4:31:43 AM
Subject: [Guitar Logic] Nice Song by Radical Face

 

"Welcome Home, Son"

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=bLzGlRWBW38

I really like the chord changes in this song but it is hard to get the timing right.



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#1259 From: "jammed_ak" <jammed_ak@...>
Date: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Nice Song by Radical Face
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"Welcome Home, Son"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLzGlRWBW38

I really like the chord changes in this song but it is hard to get the timing
right.

#1258 From: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri Dec 4, 2009 1:56 am
Subject: New file uploaded to guitarlogic
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Hello,

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   File        : / Can't You Play Any Nice SONGS!?!/-W-/Wilco - Sky Blue Sky.txt
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   Description : In both C and G (for performing with a capo)

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#1257 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:28 am
Subject: Reminder - No RL Turner Class - Wed. Night 11/25
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Wednesday night guitar class at RL Turner will not meet this week 11/25 in
observance of the Thanksgiving holiday.  The next class meets the following
week, 12/2.

So far the class has covered chord studies in C, Am, and D, and Tab Etude 1. 
Stick with your practice routine over the break!  Next class we'll do the Blues
Riffs and the Pentatonic Scale.

Have fun, and have a safe and happy Thanksgiving!

#1256 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Mon Nov 23, 2009 5:51 am
Subject: Nice Jeff Beck Clip - Somewhere Over The Rainbow
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#1255 From: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat Nov 21, 2009 2:52 am
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Hello,

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   File        : /Can't You Play Any Nice SONGS!?!/-T-/Three Days Grace - Life
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#1254 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:42 am
Subject: Winter Wonderland - Youtube
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One of my wife's favorite Christmas tunes!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfSxdv3yA6I

#1253 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:33 am
Subject: Re: John Fahey's Guitar Christmas Book
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BTW, There are some nice and simple Christmas songs in the Files Section, under
"Can't You Play Any Nice Songs?!", at the very bottom of the page...

--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...> wrote:
>
> It's getting to be that time of year again!  Time to dust off that holiday
music!  Found a nice free PDF Download of the John Fahey Guitar Christmas Book,
all in tabulature.  Posted the link in the links section, this is it:
>
> http://drop.io/JohnFaheyXmasBook
>

#1252 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:23 am
Subject: John Fahey's Guitar Christmas Book
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It's getting to be that time of year again!  Time to dust off that holiday
music!  Found a nice free PDF Download of the John Fahey Guitar Christmas Book,
all in tabulature.  Posted the link in the links section, this is it:

http://drop.io/JohnFaheyXmasBook

#1251 From: "chebeaux_2000" <chebeaux@...>
Date: Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: fantastic
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New to the group.  Ran across this and thought it was pretty amazing and
something to aspire to play.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9oae5ClxaQ

#1249 From: "kentucky kid" <jerryhearn54@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:53 am
Subject: Re: hello
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Just to let you know stoped  and got a roy orbison book with good tab songs are
coming fast even getting some stuff back i havent done in years awsome I guess i
on my way home
              Thanks for the pat on the back and link
              Jerry


--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry, Thanks for checking in!  I can relate, I've had to take time off
from music in the past, and I always end up coming back to it.
>
> --- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "kentucky kid" <jerryhearn54@> wrote:
> >
> > hi all new to the group. did bluegrass and country for around 10 years and
quit for 15 back once more (hi honey im home) just puting guitars back in my
life. my gibsons are gone but just got 310 yahama. lets go from.
> >    jerry
> >
>

#1248 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:17 am
Subject: Re: hello
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Hi Jerry, Thanks for checking in!  I can relate, I've had to take time off from
music in the past, and I always end up coming back to it.

--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "kentucky kid" <jerryhearn54@...> wrote:
>
> hi all new to the group. did bluegrass and country for around 10 years and
quit for 15 back once more (hi honey im home) just puting guitars back in my
life. my gibsons are gone but just got 310 yahama. lets go from.
>    jerry
>

#1247 From: "kentucky kid" <jerryhearn54@...>
Date: Mon Nov 9, 2009 4:09 am
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hi all new to the group. did bluegrass and country for around 10 years and quit
for 15 back once more (hi honey im home) just puting guitars back in my life. my
gibsons are gone but just got 310 yahama. lets go from.
    jerry

#1246 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Fri Nov 6, 2009 7:51 pm
Subject: Re: Chord Progressions.
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Do you mean Mel Bay's "Deluxe Encyclopedia of Guitar Chord Progressions by
Johnny Rector"???

--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "crackerjacklee1" <lawrence_levac@...>
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>
>
>
>
> Corey,
> I'm getting a lot of mileage from Johnny Rector's book on chords and chord
progressions...interesting chords and professional sounding progressions. (in
the jazz or pop vein)
>

#1245 From: "crackerjacklee1" <lawrence_levac@...>
Date: Thu Nov 5, 2009 1:47 am
Subject: Re: Chord Progressions.
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Corey,
I'm getting a lot of mileage from Johnny Rector's book on chords and chord
progressions...interesting chords and professional sounding progressions. (in
the jazz or pop vein)

#1244 From: "1guitarjunkie" <randys_guitar_clinic@...>
Date: Wed Nov 4, 2009 7:22 pm
Subject: minor scales
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Hi everyone,

I recently was asked what other scales could be used with a song in a minor key.

Instead of thinking of playing a "a lot of different scales", how about we look
at what notes we can add to the existing scale to make it more
complex/sophisticated.

After all, if we are in Dm, there are certain notes that will always work. You
have to have the root (in this case D) and for it to be minor, you have to have
a minor third (in this case F).

The many versions of a minor scale (melodic minor, harmonic minor, natural
minor, Dorian mode . . . . ) only change a few notes.

There is a demo of adding two extra notes to the pentatonic minor at this page:

http://webspace.webring.com/people/pv/vangar/usescaleforms.htm

It is in D minor pentatonic and adds two notes to become D natural minor. I will
add more on minor scales later, but check out the diagram and video clips, it
might show you what I mean about adding notes to the existing scale to get a new
scale.

I uploaded the backing tracks from the video to the file section of this group.
Go to the file section and scroll down.


I will do Dorian and Harmonic minor as relates to the pentatonic minor in the
next day or two.

For those of you who know that my wife, Petala, had surgery, life is getting
back to normal. Petala is home from the hospital and recovering wonderfully.
Thank you all for your prayers and warm wishes.

I hope that helps!

Keep Playing! Remember, only YOU can make YOU a better guitarist.

Randy Sadewater
1guitarjunkie
http://www.myspace.com/1guitarjunkie

http://webspace.webring.com/people/pv/vangar/

Live Clip performing Soul Man
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzm06x8Kd54


I enjoy playing my guitar everyday . . . .

I enjoy playing my guitar everyday . . . .

I enjoy playing my guitar everyday . . . .

#1243 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Mon Nov 2, 2009 10:54 am
Subject: Telecaster TWANG Tuesday --> 11/3/09 Ernies of North Dallas 7-11pm
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Want to let you know that there will be a Telecaster jam sponsored by
Telecaster.com (aka TDPRI) and hosted by local Dallas Blues curmudgeon Hash
Brown at Ernie's of North Dallas.

No cover charge, kitchen is open 'till 10 pm.

http://www.erniesofnorthdallas.com/

http://tiny.cc/LOCATION91

I think under 21 can attend with a parent or guardian, but please call to make
sure: 972-233-8855

#1242 From: "corey" <linkdmx@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:06 pm
Subject: Re: More Satch Clips!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNDyI5b3Fh8
this is the lesson video i meant to link

--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "corey" <linkdmx@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey j,
>
> Yeah man thank you for the insight, i had no clue that was a different tuning.
And all this time i have been attempting to learn it by ear! HAHA! But i am on
my way to check it all out now. I found out through a little research that the
lead guitarist from Metallica was taught by Joe, and now Joe is in a super group
called Chicken Foot. With Sammy and some other really big names, even the
drummer from RedHot Chille peppers. I will keep my eyes and ears open for more
info. I really like Joe's warm ups that he does, i have adopted one of them and
it works great! I'll link the video. in there are some great ideas about how to
play the things we already can play and a tip on how to create a different
approch. Check it out
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fPv450OYM
> Laters all,
> Corey
>

#1241 From: "corey" <linkdmx@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:52 pm
Subject: Re: More Satch Clips!
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Hey j,

Yeah man thank you for the insight, i had no clue that was a different tuning.
And all this time i have been attempting to learn it by ear! HAHA! But i am on
my way to check it all out now. I found out through a little research that the
lead guitarist from Metallica was taught by Joe, and now Joe is in a super group
called Chicken Foot. With Sammy and some other really big names, even the
drummer from RedHot Chille peppers. I will keep my eyes and ears open for more
info. I really like Joe's warm ups that he does, i have adopted one of them and
it works great! I'll link the video. in there are some great ideas about how to
play the things we already can play and a tip on how to create a different
approch. Check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fPv450OYM
Laters all,
Corey

#1240 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:25 am
Subject: More Satch Clips!
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Got me thinking... Here are few more you might like:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtkOSsHedzw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hxx1CuwzbI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMcjXo8ZuqE



--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "corey" <linkdmx@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Whats up my follow music loving peeps out there. I was surfing the youtube and
caught an awesome song that is extremely tasteful and very thoughtful. Its
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fPv450OYM Check it out if you have time. For
all the peeps that are still learning, this was one of my main inspirations when
i was learning the basics. Rock out!
>
> Post some good songs if you can, or just hit me back with a thought.
> Laters
> Corey
>

#1239 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:05 am
Subject: A Couple More Examples of Nashville Tuning...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uetjZHz2Jk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqRL5lb60Pk

--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...> wrote:
>
> One thing that's cool on that tune is that the rhythm part after the 1st solo
around 2:12 is done in Nashville tuning.  Here's a good explanation of Nashville
tuning:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqDCuFCbGQ0
>
> Yes, another reason you need another guitar... So you can keep one in
alternate tuning!

#1238 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Thu Oct 29, 2009 10:59 am
Subject: Re: Good song
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Hey Corey, What's up?  Yeah, that's old school Satch, back when he still had
hair!

I always thought Satriani was a very melodic player.  People who say he just
plays fast aren't listening, or they're hearing something I can't. Maybe both?!
;-)

One thing that's cool on that tune is that the rhythm part after the 1st solo
around 2:12 is done in Nashville tuning.  Here's a good explanation of Nashville
tuning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqDCuFCbGQ0

Yes, another reason you need another guitar... So you can keep one in alternate
tuning!

--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "corey" <linkdmx@...> wrote:
>
> Hey guys,
>
> Whats up my follow music loving peeps out there. I was surfing the youtube and
caught an awesome song that is extremely tasteful and very thoughtful. Its
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fPv450OYM Check it out if you have time. For
all the peeps that are still learning, this was one of my main inspirations when
i was learning the basics. Rock out!
>
> Post some good songs if you can, or just hit me back with a thought.
> Laters
> Corey
>

#1237 From: "corey" <linkdmx@...>
Date: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:54 am
Subject: Good song
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Hey guys,

Whats up my follow music loving peeps out there. I was surfing the youtube and
caught an awesome song that is extremely tasteful and very thoughtful. Its
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4fPv450OYM Check it out if you have time. For
all the peeps that are still learning, this was one of my main inspirations when
i was learning the basics. Rock out!

Post some good songs if you can, or just hit me back with a thought.
Laters
Corey

#1236 From: "jasoncole1369" <jasoncole1369@...>
Date: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:35 am
Subject: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences
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There is a lot of misunderstanding over the CAGED system.  You can use it to
create inversions, but it is more than that.

Take a look in the Files section under Lessons.

Check out the follow files:

1) GEDCA.txt
2) Get Excellent Doing Chords Always.txt
3) CAGED_octaves.gif
4) 5FormsMajMinPentaBlues.pdf

CAGED is the simplest way to remember the sequence, but I find that a lot of
people who learn it as CAGED seem to get trapped in the box patterns, and they
never fully apply it outside of the key of C.

In other words, it seems simple, so it doesn't challenge people to look at the
implications.  These are not simply inversions.  ANY chord played on a guitar
will relate back to at least one of these 5 forms.

Most people know the forms in open position, but don't realize how they move up
the neck, or that it will apply to other flavors of chords besides just major.

It can be applied to alternate tunings as well.

--- In guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com, "John DuVal" <darkstr1746@...> wrote:
>
> Ok, thanks Tony.  It's just a different way of saying what I learned back
> when I first picked up the instrument. Never heard it referred to in that
> way. In other words, movable barre chord of root, 1st inversion and 2nd
> inversion. .or as I learned in theory back in the dark ages, I . .   1 6/3
> and 1 6/4.  That may be just as confusing to some, but I get the picture.
> Many thanks
>
> Kind regards
>
> jd
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of tony
> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:32 AM
> To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning
> experiences
>
>
>
>
>
> Glad to help, and nobody will laugh at you.
>
> CAGED is a progression of note patterns for the open position C though D
> major chords played in the first position. The important word here is
> patterns. Here is a rather simplistic explanation. If you bar any one of
> them, you can take that same pattern and move it up the fretboard to play
> other chords. The pattern is "movable" up and down the fretboard. If you add
> and subtract frets on your fingering, you can create a new chord. For
> instance, flatten the third (down one fret on the third), and you create a
> minor chord, but that new pattern is also movable up and down the fretboard
> to play minor chords. Add a 7th, and the pattern is also movable to
> form....... I will let you guess the answer. Type in CAGED in Google and you
> will turn up far more detailed explanation as well as website that offer
> learning.
>
> It is a rapid way to build up a huge chord vocabulary. Scale patterns are
> built up the same way, but there are only five of those. But these only help
> you going up the fretboard and down vertically in the same position. Won't
> help you for doing diatonic scales across the fretboard. You will need to
> know the scale formulas for those and create your own.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: John DuVal <darkstr1746@...>
> To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 2:14:41 PM
> Subject: RE: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning
> experiences
>
>
>
> What is CAGED? Yea, I'm ignorant and really out of any kind of loop. I've
> been playing for almost fifty years, can read tab and standard notation at a
> moderate rate and have pretty much zero modern technical skills as far as
> computer programs go for recoding/editing/ scoring/transposing and all the
> rest of that stuff. My knowledge of Midi doesn't extend beyond note on and
> note off.  So someone clue me. . what is CAGED? That's not a tuning is it?
>
> Ok. . . stop laughing!  :-)
>
> I'm new to the list also and reside in the Pacific Northwest
>
> Kind regards
>
> jd
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> From: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:guitarlogic @yahoogroups. com]
> On Behalf Of tony
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:07 AM
> To: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning
> experiences
>
>
>
>
>
> Jason,
>
> Of course, standard notation and CAGED are separate things. CAGED obviously
> works  for both TAB and notation; the explanations, however, are in TAB.here
> may be some books out there that explain the CAGED system in standard
> notation and TAB, but I have not seen them. What I have seen, has been only
> in TAB. I have used Fretboard Logic and Guitar Fretboard Workbook.
>
> That is not to say that there may be material out there that uses both, but
> I have not really looked any further. In fact, one of my exercises is based
> on worksheets that I have made up from CAGED patterns. It is a good way to
> practice left hand finger independence, ear training,  and speed while
> building up a large chord library in the brain. I have got it on 6 pages,
> and it covers almost any conceivable chord pattern that one will ever need
> from blues to jazz to classical.
>
>
>
> I still think that the few dollars that one spends on Tabledit are more than
> worth it when one considers the huge repertoire of
>
> music that it opens up for free afterward. In my old age, I get confused at
> looking at ASCII TAB files. I was looking for Clapton's Signe, and found 20
> versions of it. It is not a difficult piece, but so pretty. The skill level
> required is intermediate. It took me 20 minutes to find the one I wanted,
> and I ended up with a nice score (notation or TAB or both). Could have
> bought the score for $6 or spend hours trying to transcribe it. (My ear
> development still needs a lot of work).
>
> Another one was Chet Atkin's Choral of the Bells. It is a much, much harder
> piece. Found the midi file and had a score in less  than a minute. Am not a
> big fan of Country Western (in fact, I hate it), but Atkins is a guitar
> great. Could not find sheet music for it. This one will take a while for me
> to play well.
>
> There are web sites that have Tabledit, and ASCII files. There is also a
> bunch of midi stuff out there that the program can easily import. The file
> sizes are only a few kilobytes (Tabledit format, ASCII, or midi) so it is
> not demanding on bandwidth. It is so nice to play back the score and listen
> to it. That is something you cannot do with ASCII. Tabledit allows you to
> convert an ASCII file to notation to sound. Can also use it to practice by
> slowing the piece down and gradually building up speed.
>
> It's not that I am bedazzled by all this technology. It does have a $ price
> tag, but not modest one. Nothing, but nothing will replace hard work and
> practice. The techno stuff only helps a bit.
>
> Tony
>
>   _____
>
> From: jasoncole1369 <jasoncole1369@ yahoo.com>
> To: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 1:18:20 AM
> Subject: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning
> experiences
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Thanks for checking in. I agree with what you're saying about finding the
> right teacher for you. Not sure what you mean by "doing the CAGED system...
> even though I can read standard notation."
>
> To me that's kind of like saying, "I've been doing push-ups and jumping
> jacks, even though I already know how to swim." They are separate things,
> not mutually exclusive.
>
> I've used TablEdit before, but it was a while ago, and I think it was the
> free version... I think BucketOTab does something similar. I agree that most
> ASCII Tabs that you find on the internet are innaccurate, I like ASCII Tab
> because it doesn't require any special software to be downloaded, free or
> otherwise. All computers come with a text editor of some kind.
>
> Even if a program can be downloaded for free, if someone is accessing the
> Internet from their phone, or even from a desktop in rural Thailand or
> Barrow Alaska, they might not have the bandwidth to download programs. But I
> will give it another look on your recommendation.
>
> Thanks again for checking in!
>
> J.
>
> --- In guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com <mailto:guitarlogic%40yahoogroups.com>
> , "torogr" <torogr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > My name is Tony and have been playing for about 18 months. Classical and
> some jazz. Got started late. I went to grade school when the dinosaurs were
> still roaming the earth.
> >
> > Anyway, I would like to share some of my experiences in learning. If I get
> too pedantic, you may kick me.
> >
> > I had breezed through Noad's first book and thought that I was making
> super progress. My first teacher did not help. For instance, he started me
> on chord inversions without first going through chord theory. His lessons
> went from the impossible to the ridiculously simple and back. I changed
> teacher. A good teacher is important, not only for the pedagogical aspect
> but also from the chemistry.
> >
> > I also made a few of my own mistakes along the way.
> >
> > My biggest mistake was not doing my technical studies. My thoughts were if
> I play hard pieces, why do I need to do boring exercises? I was so wrong and
> hit a brick wall in my technical skills. In fact, I was getting worse.
> >
> > So now I make it a routine: hammer on and pull studies, Segovia's Diatonic
> scale studies, Calevero's right hand studies, learning the CAGED system of
> scale and chord building, even though I learned to read standard notation. I
> mix them up to avoid boredom.
> >
> > There are some good books out there on exercises: Pumping Nylon, Guitar
> Exercises for Dummies, 10 minute Workout for Acoustic Guitar. The later two
> are the best since they go over theory and basic techniques as well.
> >
> > One thing that I have started to do is make up my own exercise book of
> passages that give me trouble in a piece. It avoids the frustration of being
> stuck on a piece. Normally, there are always a few passages that give me
> trouble and prevent me from mastering the piece. I work on those parts only,
> and then I can then attack the piece without the fear of getting stuck.
> >
> > This is not a commercial plug, but I absolutely detest ASCII TAB. True,
> there are literally millions of free TAB's on the net. Trying to read them
> and count note durations drives me nuts. There is a nifty little score
> writing program called TablEdit. You do not need to be a composer or know a
> lot about music theory to use it, and it is easy to learn. The really nice
> feature about it is that you can take ASCII TAB,copy it to the clipboard,
> and import it into the program. It will generate a score in a far more
> readable TAB and standard notation. It will also play the score, so you can
> determine if you like it. It can also import MIDI files. It is only about
> $50, the price of two music books where you might only take one or two
> pieces out.
> >
> > Anyway, just a wanted to share my experiences. There is a Latin expression
> that experience is the mother of fools. If I can help someone learn through
> my own mistakes, then I have done something positive.
> >
> > Tony
> >
>
>
>
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#1235 From: "John DuVal" <darkstr1746@...>
Date: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:35 pm
Subject: RE: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences
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Ok, thanks Tony.  It’s just a different way of saying what I learned back when I first picked up the instrument. Never heard it referred to in that way. In other words, movable barre chord of root, 1st inversion and 2nd inversion. .or as I learned in theory back in the dark ages, I . .   1 6/3  and 1 6/4.  That may be just as confusing to some, but I get the picture. Many thanks

Kind regards

jd

 


From: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony
Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 10:32 AM
To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 

 

Glad to help, and nobody will laugh at you.

CAGED is a progression of note patterns for the open position C though D major chords played in the first position. The important word here is patterns. Here is a rather simplistic explanation. If you bar any one of them, you can take that same pattern and move it up the fretboard to play other chords. The pattern is "movable" up and down the fretboard. If you add and subtract frets on your fingering, you can create a new chord. For instance, flatten the third (down one fret on the third), and you create a minor chord, but that new pattern is also movable up and down the fretboard to play minor chords. Add a 7th, and the pattern is also movable to form....... I will let you guess the answer. Type in CAGED in Google and you will turn up far more detailed explanation as well as website that offer learning.

It is a rapid way to build up a huge chord vocabulary. Scale patterns are built up the same way, but there are only five of those. But these only help you going up the fretboard and down vertically in the same position. Won't help you for doing diatonic scales across the fretboard. You will need to know the scale formulas for those and create your own.

Hope this helps.

Tony

 


From: John DuVal <darkstr1746@comcast.net>
To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 2:14:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 

What is CAGED? Yea, I’m ignorant and really out of any kind of loop. I’ve been playing for almost fifty years, can read tab and standard notation at a moderate rate and have pretty much zero modern technical skills as far as computer programs go for recoding/editing/ scoring/transposing and all the rest of that stuff. My knowledge of Midi doesn’t extend beyond note on and note off.  So someone clue me. . what is CAGED? That’s not a tuning is it?

Ok. . . stop laughing!  J

I’m new to the list also and reside in the Pacific Northwest

Kind regards

jd

 


From: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:guitarlogic @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of tony
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:07 AM
To: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 

 

Jason,

Of course, standard notation and CAGED are separate things. CAGED obviously works  for both TAB and notation; the explanations, however, are in TAB.here may be some books out there that explain the CAGED system in standard notation and TAB, but I have not seen them. What I have seen, has been only in TAB. I have used Fretboard Logic and Guitar Fretboard Workbook.

That is not to say that there may be material out there that uses both, but I have not really looked any further. In fact, one of my exercises is based on worksheets that I have made up from CAGED patterns. It is a good way to practice left hand finger independence, ear training,  and speed while building up a large chord library in the brain. I have got it on 6 pages, and it covers almost any conceivable chord pattern that one will ever need from blues to jazz to classical.



I still think that the few dollars that one spends on Tabledit are more than worth it when one considers the huge repertoire of

music that it opens up for free afterward. In my old age, I get confused at looking at ASCII TAB files. I was looking for Clapton's Signe, and found 20 versions of it. It is not a difficult piece, but so pretty. The skill level required is intermediate. It took me 20 minutes to find the one I wanted, and I ended up with a nice score (notation or TAB or both). Could have bought the score for $6 or spend hours trying to transcribe it. (My ear development still needs a lot of work).

Another one was Chet Atkin's Choral of the Bells. It is a much, much harder piece. Found the midi file and had a score in less  than a minute. Am not a big fan of Country Western (in fact, I hate it), but Atkins is a guitar great. Could not find sheet music for it. This one will take a while for me to play well.

There are web sites that have Tabledit, and ASCII files. There is also a bunch of midi stuff out there that the program can easily import. The file sizes are only a few kilobytes (Tabledit format, ASCII, or midi) so it is not demanding on bandwidth. It is so nice to play back the score and listen to it. That is something you cannot do with ASCII. Tabledit allows you to convert an ASCII file to notation to sound. Can also use it to practice by slowing the piece down and gradually building up speed.

It's not that I am bedazzled by all this technology. It does have a $ price tag, but not modest one. Nothing, but nothing will replace hard work and practice. The techno stuff only helps a bit.

Tony


From: jasoncole1369 <jasoncole1369@ yahoo.com>
To: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 1:18:20 AM
Subject: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 



Hi Tony,

Thanks for checking in. I agree with what you're saying about finding the right teacher for you. Not sure what you mean by "doing the CAGED system... even though I can read standard notation."

To me that's kind of like saying, "I've been doing push-ups and jumping jacks, even though I already know how to swim." They are separate things, not mutually exclusive.

I've used TablEdit before, but it was a while ago, and I think it was the free version... I think BucketOTab does something similar. I agree that most ASCII Tabs that you find on the internet are innaccurate, I like ASCII Tab because it doesn't require any special software to be downloaded, free or otherwise. All computers come with a text editor of some kind.

Even if a program can be downloaded for free, if someone is accessing the Internet from their phone, or even from a desktop in rural Thailand or Barrow Alaska, they might not have the bandwidth to download programs. But I will give it another look on your recommendation.

Thanks again for checking in!

J.

--- In guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com, "torogr" <torogr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My name is Tony and have been playing for about 18 months. Classical and some jazz. Got started late. I went to grade school when the dinosaurs were still roaming the earth.
>
> Anyway, I would like to share some of my experiences in learning. If I get too pedantic, you may kick me.
>
> I had breezed through Noad's first book and thought that I was making super progress. My first teacher did not help. For instance, he started me on chord inversions without first going through chord theory. His lessons went from the impossible to the ridiculously simple and back. I changed teacher. A good teacher is important, not only for the pedagogical aspect but also from the chemistry.
>
> I also made a few of my own mistakes along the way.
>
> My biggest mistake was not doing my technical studies. My thoughts were if I play hard pieces, why do I need to do boring exercises? I was so wrong and hit a brick wall in my technical skills. In fact, I was getting worse.
>
> So now I make it a routine: hammer on and pull studies, Segovia's Diatonic scale studies, Calevero's right hand studies, learning the CAGED system of scale and chord building, even though I learned to read standard notation. I mix them up to avoid boredom.
>
> There are some good books out there on exercises: Pumping Nylon, Guitar Exercises for Dummies, 10 minute Workout for Acoustic Guitar. The later two are the best since they go over theory and basic techniques as well.
>
> One thing that I have started to do is make up my own exercise book of passages that give me trouble in a piece. It avoids the frustration of being stuck on a piece. Normally, there are always a few passages that give me trouble and prevent me from mastering the piece. I work on those parts only, and then I can then attack the piece without the fear of getting stuck.
>
> This is not a commercial plug, but I absolutely detest ASCII TAB. True, there are literally millions of free TAB's on the net. Trying to read them and count note durations drives me nuts. There is a nifty little score writing program called TablEdit. You do not need to be a composer or know a lot about music theory to use it, and it is easy to learn. The really nice feature about it is that you can take ASCII TAB,copy it to the clipboard, and import it into the program. It will generate a score in a far more readable TAB and standard notation. It will also play the score, so you can determine if you like it. It can also import MIDI files. It is only about $50, the price of two music books where you might only take one or two pieces out.
>
> Anyway, just a wanted to share my experiences. There is a Latin expression that experience is the mother of fools. If I can help someone learn through my own mistakes, then I have done something positive.
>
> Tony
>

 

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#1234 From: tony <torogr@...>
Date: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences
torogr
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Glad to help, and nobody will laugh at you.

CAGED is a progression of note patterns for the open position C though D major chords played in the first position. The important word here is patterns. Here is a rather simplistic explanation. If you bar any one of them, you can take that same pattern and move it up the fretboard to play other chords. The pattern is "movable" up and down the fretboard. If you add and subtract frets on your fingering, you can create a new chord. For instance, flatten the third (down one fret on the third), and you create a minor chord, but that new pattern is also movable up and down the fretboard to play minor chords. Add a 7th, and the pattern is also movable to form....... I will let you guess the answer. Type in CAGED in Google and you will turn up far more detailed explanation as well as website that offer learning.

It is a rapid way to build up a huge chord vocabulary. Scale patterns are built up the same way, but there are only five of those. But these only help you going up the fretboard and down vertically in the same position. Won't help you for doing diatonic scales across the fretboard. You will need to know the scale formulas for those and create your own.

Hope this helps.

Tony


From: John DuVal <darkstr1746@...>
To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 2:14:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 

What is CAGED? Yea, I’m ignorant and really out of any kind of loop. I’ve been playing for almost fifty years, can read tab and standard notation at a moderate rate and have pretty much zero modern technical skills as far as computer programs go for recoding/editing/ scoring/transposing and all the rest of that stuff. My knowledge of Midi doesn’t extend beyond note on and note off.  So someone clue me. . what is CAGED? That’s not a tuning is it?

Ok. . . stop laughing!  J

I’m new to the list also and reside in the Pacific Northwest

Kind regards

jd

 


From: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:guitarlogic @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of tony
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:07 AM
To: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 

 

Jason,

Of course, standard notation and CAGED are separate things. CAGED obviously works  for both TAB and notation; the explanations, however, are in TAB.here may be some books out there that explain the CAGED system in standard notation and TAB, but I have not seen them. What I have seen, has been only in TAB. I have used Fretboard Logic and Guitar Fretboard Workbook.

That is not to say that there may be material out there that uses both, but I have not really looked any further. In fact, one of my exercises is based on worksheets that I have made up from CAGED patterns. It is a good way to practice left hand finger independence, ear training,  and speed while building up a large chord library in the brain. I have got it on 6 pages, and it covers almost any conceivable chord pattern that one will ever need from blues to jazz to classical.



I still think that the few dollars that one spends on Tabledit are more than worth it when one considers the huge repertoire of

music that it opens up for free afterward. In my old age, I get confused at looking at ASCII TAB files. I was looking for Clapton's Signe, and found 20 versions of it. It is not a difficult piece, but so pretty. The skill level required is intermediate. It took me 20 minutes to find the one I wanted, and I ended up with a nice score (notation or TAB or both). Could have bought the score for $6 or spend hours trying to transcribe it. (My ear development still needs a lot of work).

Another one was Chet Atkin's Choral of the Bells. It is a much, much harder piece. Found the midi file and had a score in less  than a minute. Am not a big fan of Country Western (in fact, I hate it), but Atkins is a guitar great. Could not find sheet music for it. This one will take a while for me to play well.

There are web sites that have Tabledit, and ASCII files. There is also a bunch of midi stuff out there that the program can easily import. The file sizes are only a few kilobytes (Tabledit format, ASCII, or midi) so it is not demanding on bandwidth. It is so nice to play back the score and listen to it. That is something you cannot do with ASCII. Tabledit allows you to convert an ASCII file to notation to sound. Can also use it to practice by slowing the piece down and gradually building up speed.

It's not that I am bedazzled by all this technology. It does have a $ price tag, but not modest one. Nothing, but nothing will replace hard work and practice. The techno stuff only helps a bit.

Tony


From: jasoncole1369 <jasoncole1369@ yahoo.com>
To: guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 1:18:20 AM
Subject: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 



Hi Tony,

Thanks for checking in. I agree with what you're saying about finding the right teacher for you. Not sure what you mean by "doing the CAGED system... even though I can read standard notation."

To me that's kind of like saying, "I've been doing push-ups and jumping jacks, even though I already know how to swim." They are separate things, not mutually exclusive.

I've used TablEdit before, but it was a while ago, and I think it was the free version... I think BucketOTab does something similar. I agree that most ASCII Tabs that you find on the internet are innaccurate, I like ASCII Tab because it doesn't require any special software to be downloaded, free or otherwise. All computers come with a text editor of some kind.

Even if a program can be downloaded for free, if someone is accessing the Internet from their phone, or even from a desktop in rural Thailand or Barrow Alaska, they might not have the bandwidth to download programs. But I will give it another look on your recommendation.

Thanks again for checking in!

J.

--- In guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com, "torogr" <torogr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My name is Tony and have been playing for about 18 months. Classical and some jazz. Got started late. I went to grade school when the dinosaurs were still roaming the earth.
>
> Anyway, I would like to share some of my experiences in learning. If I get too pedantic, you may kick me.
>
> I had breezed through Noad's first book and thought that I was making super progress. My first teacher did not help. For instance, he started me on chord inversions without first going through chord theory. His lessons went from the impossible to the ridiculously simple and back. I changed teacher. A good teacher is important, not only for the pedagogical aspect but also from the chemistry.
>
> I also made a few of my own mistakes along the way.
>
> My biggest mistake was not doing my technical studies. My thoughts were if I play hard pieces, why do I need to do boring exercises? I was so wrong and hit a brick wall in my technical skills. In fact, I was getting worse.
>
> So now I make it a routine: hammer on and pull studies, Segovia's Diatonic scale studies, Calevero's right hand studies, learning the CAGED system of scale and chord building, even though I learned to read standard notation. I mix them up to avoid boredom.
>
> There are some good books out there on exercises: Pumping Nylon, Guitar Exercises for Dummies, 10 minute Workout for Acoustic Guitar. The later two are the best since they go over theory and basic techniques as well.
>
> One thing that I have started to do is make up my own exercise book of passages that give me trouble in a piece. It avoids the frustration of being stuck on a piece. Normally, there are always a few passages that give me trouble and prevent me from mastering the piece. I work on those parts only, and then I can then attack the piece without the fear of getting stuck.
>
> This is not a commercial plug, but I absolutely detest ASCII TAB. True, there are literally millions of free TAB's on the net. Trying to read them and count note durations drives me nuts. There is a nifty little score writing program called TablEdit. You do not need to be a composer or know a lot about music theory to use it, and it is easy to learn. The really nice feature about it is that you can take ASCII TAB,copy it to the clipboard, and import it into the program. It will generate a score in a far more readable TAB and standard notation. It will also play the score, so you can determine if you like it. It can also import MIDI files. It is only about $50, the price of two music books where you might only take one or two pieces out.
>
> Anyway, just a wanted to share my experiences. There is a Latin expression that experience is the mother of fools. If I can help someone learn through my own mistakes, then I have done something positive.
>
> Tony
>

 

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#1233 From: "John DuVal" <darkstr1746@...>
Date: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:14 pm
Subject: RE: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences
tikiman1964
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What is CAGED? Yea, I’m ignorant and really out of any kind of loop. I’ve been playing for almost fifty years, can read tab and standard notation at a moderate rate and have pretty much zero modern technical skills as far as computer programs go for recoding/editing/ scoring/transposing and all the rest of that stuff. My knowledge of Midi doesn’t extend beyond note on and note off.  So someone clue me. . what is CAGED? That’s not a tuning is it?

Ok. . . stop laughing!  J

I’m new to the list also and reside in the Pacific Northwest

Kind regards

jd

 


From: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com [mailto:guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tony
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 7:07 AM
To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 

 

Jason,

Of course, standard notation and CAGED are separate things. CAGED obviously works  for both TAB and notation; the explanations, however, are in TAB.here may be some books out there that explain the CAGED system in standard notation and TAB, but I have not seen them. What I have seen, has been only in TAB. I have used Fretboard Logic and Guitar Fretboard Workbook.

That is not to say that there may be material out there that uses both, but I have not really looked any further. In fact, one of my exercises is based on worksheets that I have made up from CAGED patterns. It is a good way to practice left hand finger independence, ear training,  and speed while building up a large chord library in the brain. I have got it on 6 pages, and it covers almost any conceivable chord pattern that one will ever need from blues to jazz to classical.



I still think that the few dollars that one spends on Tabledit are more than worth it when one considers the huge repertoire of

music that it opens up for free afterward. In my old age, I get confused at looking at ASCII TAB files. I was looking for Clapton's Signe, and found 20 versions of it. It is not a difficult piece, but so pretty. The skill level required is intermediate. It took me 20 minutes to find the one I wanted, and I ended up with a nice score (notation or TAB or both). Could have bought the score for $6 or spend hours trying to transcribe it. (My ear development still needs a lot of work).

Another one was Chet Atkin's Choral of the Bells. It is a much, much harder piece. Found the midi file and had a score in less  than a minute. Am not a big fan of Country Western (in fact, I hate it), but Atkins is a guitar great. Could not find sheet music for it. This one will take a while for me to play well.

There are web sites that have Tabledit, and ASCII files. There is also a bunch of midi stuff out there that the program can easily import. The file sizes are only a few kilobytes (Tabledit format, ASCII, or midi) so it is not demanding on bandwidth. It is so nice to play back the score and listen to it. That is something you cannot do with ASCII. Tabledit allows you to convert an ASCII file to notation to sound. Can also use it to practice by slowing the piece down and gradually building up speed.

It's not that I am bedazzled by all this technology. It does have a $ price tag, but not modest one. Nothing, but nothing will replace hard work and practice. The techno stuff only helps a bit.

Tony


From: jasoncole1369 <jasoncole1369@yahoo.com>
To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 1:18:20 AM
Subject: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 



Hi Tony,

Thanks for checking in. I agree with what you're saying about finding the right teacher for you. Not sure what you mean by "doing the CAGED system... even though I can read standard notation."

To me that's kind of like saying, "I've been doing push-ups and jumping jacks, even though I already know how to swim." They are separate things, not mutually exclusive.

I've used TablEdit before, but it was a while ago, and I think it was the free version... I think BucketOTab does something similar. I agree that most ASCII Tabs that you find on the internet are innaccurate, I like ASCII Tab because it doesn't require any special software to be downloaded, free or otherwise. All computers come with a text editor of some kind.

Even if a program can be downloaded for free, if someone is accessing the Internet from their phone, or even from a desktop in rural Thailand or Barrow Alaska, they might not have the bandwidth to download programs. But I will give it another look on your recommendation.

Thanks again for checking in!

J.

--- In guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com, "torogr" <torogr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My name is Tony and have been playing for about 18 months. Classical and some jazz. Got started late. I went to grade school when the dinosaurs were still roaming the earth.
>
> Anyway, I would like to share some of my experiences in learning. If I get too pedantic, you may kick me.
>
> I had breezed through Noad's first book and thought that I was making super progress. My first teacher did not help. For instance, he started me on chord inversions without first going through chord theory. His lessons went from the impossible to the ridiculously simple and back. I changed teacher. A good teacher is important, not only for the pedagogical aspect but also from the chemistry.
>
> I also made a few of my own mistakes along the way.
>
> My biggest mistake was not doing my technical studies. My thoughts were if I play hard pieces, why do I need to do boring exercises? I was so wrong and hit a brick wall in my technical skills. In fact, I was getting worse.
>
> So now I make it a routine: hammer on and pull studies, Segovia's Diatonic scale studies, Calevero's right hand studies, learning the CAGED system of scale and chord building, even though I learned to read standard notation. I mix them up to avoid boredom.
>
> There are some good books out there on exercises: Pumping Nylon, Guitar Exercises for Dummies, 10 minute Workout for Acoustic Guitar. The later two are the best since they go over theory and basic techniques as well.
>
> One thing that I have started to do is make up my own exercise book of passages that give me trouble in a piece. It avoids the frustration of being stuck on a piece. Normally, there are always a few passages that give me trouble and prevent me from mastering the piece. I work on those parts only, and then I can then attack the piece without the fear of getting stuck.
>
> This is not a commercial plug, but I absolutely detest ASCII TAB. True, there are literally millions of free TAB's on the net. Trying to read them and count note durations drives me nuts. There is a nifty little score writing program called TablEdit. You do not need to be a composer or know a lot about music theory to use it, and it is easy to learn. The really nice feature about it is that you can take ASCII TAB,copy it to the clipboard, and import it into the program. It will generate a score in a far more readable TAB and standard notation. It will also play the score, so you can determine if you like it. It can also import MIDI files. It is only about $50, the price of two music books where you might only take one or two pieces out.
>
> Anyway, just a wanted to share my experiences. There is a Latin expression that experience is the mother of fools. If I can help someone learn through my own mistakes, then I have done something positive.
>
> Tony
>

 

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#1232 From: tony <torogr@...>
Date: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:06 pm
Subject: Re: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences
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Jason,

Of course, standard notation and CAGED are separate things. CAGED obviously works  for both TAB and notation; the explanations, however, are in TAB.here may be some books out there that explain the CAGED system in standard notation and TAB, but I have not seen them. What I have seen, has been only in TAB. I have used Fretboard Logic and Guitar Fretboard Workbook.

That is not to say that there may be material out there that uses both, but I have not really looked any further. In fact, one of my exercises is based on worksheets that I have made up from CAGED patterns. It is a good way to practice left hand finger independence, ear training,  and speed while building up a large chord library in the brain. I have got it on 6 pages, and it covers almost any conceivable chord pattern that one will ever need from blues to jazz to classical.



I still think that the few dollars that one spends on Tabledit are more than worth it when one considers the huge repertoire of
music that it opens up for free afterward. In my old age, I get confused at looking at ASCII TAB files. I was looking for Clapton's Signe, and found 20 versions of it. It is not a difficult piece, but so pretty. The skill level required is intermediate. It took me 20 minutes to find the one I wanted, and I ended up with a nice score (notation or TAB or both). Could have bought the score for $6 or spend hours trying to transcribe it. (My ear development still needs a lot of work).

Another one was Chet Atkin's Choral of the Bells. It is a much, much harder piece. Found the midi file and had a score in less  than a minute. Am not a big fan of Country Western (in fact, I hate it), but Atkins is a guitar great. Could not find sheet music for it. This one will take a while for me to play well.

There are web sites that have Tabledit, and ASCII files. There is also a bunch of midi stuff out there that the program can easily import. The file sizes are only a few kilobytes (Tabledit format, ASCII, or midi) so it is not demanding on bandwidth. It is so nice to play back the score and listen to it. That is something you cannot do with ASCII. Tabledit allows you to convert an ASCII file to notation to sound. Can also use it to practice by slowing the piece down and gradually building up speed.

It's not that I am bedazzled by all this technology. It does have a $ price tag, but not modest one. Nothing, but nothing will replace hard work and practice. The techno stuff only helps a bit.

Tony



From: jasoncole1369 <jasoncole1369@...>
To: guitarlogic@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, October 23, 2009 1:18:20 AM
Subject: [Guitar Logic] Re: New Member from Michigan and some learning experiences

 



Hi Tony,

Thanks for checking in. I agree with what you're saying about finding the right teacher for you. Not sure what you mean by "doing the CAGED system... even though I can read standard notation."

To me that's kind of like saying, "I've been doing push-ups and jumping jacks, even though I already know how to swim." They are separate things, not mutually exclusive.

I've used TablEdit before, but it was a while ago, and I think it was the free version... I think BucketOTab does something similar. I agree that most ASCII Tabs that you find on the internet are innaccurate, I like ASCII Tab because it doesn't require any special software to be downloaded, free or otherwise. All computers come with a text editor of some kind.

Even if a program can be downloaded for free, if someone is accessing the Internet from their phone, or even from a desktop in rural Thailand or Barrow Alaska, they might not have the bandwidth to download programs. But I will give it another look on your recommendation.

Thanks again for checking in!

J.

--- In guitarlogic@ yahoogroups. com, "torogr" <torogr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> My name is Tony and have been playing for about 18 months. Classical and some jazz. Got started late. I went to grade school when the dinosaurs were still roaming the earth.
>
> Anyway, I would like to share some of my experiences in learning. If I get too pedantic, you may kick me.
>
> I had breezed through Noad's first book and thought that I was making super progress. My first teacher did not help. For instance, he started me on chord inversions without first going through chord theory. His lessons went from the impossible to the ridiculously simple and back. I changed teacher. A good teacher is important, not only for the pedagogical aspect but also from the chemistry.
>
> I also made a few of my own mistakes along the way.
>
> My biggest mistake was not doing my technical studies. My thoughts were if I play hard pieces, why do I need to do boring exercises? I was so wrong and hit a brick wall in my technical skills. In fact, I was getting worse.
>
> So now I make it a routine: hammer on and pull studies, Segovia's Diatonic scale studies, Calevero's right hand studies, learning the CAGED system of scale and chord building, even though I learned to read standard notation. I mix them up to avoid boredom.
>
> There are some good books out there on exercises: Pumping Nylon, Guitar Exercises for Dummies, 10 minute Workout for Acoustic Guitar. The later two are the best since they go over theory and basic techniques as well.
>
> One thing that I have started to do is make up my own exercise book of passages that give me trouble in a piece. It avoids the frustration of being stuck on a piece. Normally, there are always a few passages that give me trouble and prevent me from mastering the piece. I work on those parts only, and then I can then attack the piece without the fear of getting stuck.
>
> This is not a commercial plug, but I absolutely detest ASCII TAB. True, there are literally millions of free TAB's on the net. Trying to read them and count note durations drives me nuts. There is a nifty little score writing program called TablEdit. You do not need to be a composer or know a lot about music theory to use it, and it is easy to learn. The really nice feature about it is that you can take ASCII TAB,copy it to the clipboard, and import it into the program. It will generate a score in a far more readable TAB and standard notation. It will also play the score, so you can determine if you like it. It can also import MIDI files. It is only about $50, the price of two music books where you might only take one or two pieces out.
>
> Anyway, just a wanted to share my experiences. There is a Latin expression that experience is the mother of fools. If I can help someone learn through my own mistakes, then I have done something positive.
>
> Tony
>



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