Cool, have you check out my web page yet www.hardcore4Jesus.com Where are you
from? If you like what you see on our page would love to send you some free
stickers and some cards to pass out. This Ministry is for everyone and ever one
can be a Minister for Hardcore4Jesus. As we grow we all grow for our love of
God. But know bible thumping its about friendship and relationship with
Christian and non-Christians through common interests in this case the love of
hardcore music.

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i have listened to every kind of music besides Christian and now i am
a new found Christian and and hearing god's word through any kind of
music possible that is pure and true!
KEEP PRAISING THE FATHER,
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God Bless!!
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i have listened to every kind of music besides christian and now i am
a new found christian and and hearing god's word through any kind of
music possible that is pure and true!
KEEP PRIASING THE FATHER,
               krista

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God Bless!!
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We have started a new Ministry here in California called
www.hardcore4jesus.com and its really taking off. What I need is some
real cool links and mp3 of hardcore music. All who help will be put
on a wall of thanks and would love to send out a sticker or two if we
use you ideas or info. We will be at the allage clud in Anaheim,Ca at
the pax217 concert to give out stuff and take some pics. Check out
the web page and let me know whats up. Bigrob@...
I really need some help. We are also putting together a hardcore
worship band so if you are local drop us a line.
                                 Thanks God Bless!
                                   HC4JC

Yup, none of us appear to go here very often any more. Still
listening to heavy metal, probably will never stop no matter how old
I get.

Dave your song is not here.

Playlist for today:
PARAMAECIUM--Echoes From the Ground
ARVINGER--Helgards Fall
VENI DOMINE--The Album of Labor

What has everyone else been listening to. Secular or Christian.

Bob

As I Lay Dying has a new guitarist that used to play
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It has been forever since i have been on here. This band has probably
been discussed before. As I Lay Dying is sooo good. If you do not
have their cd Frail Words Collapse you must go buy it. Everythig on
this album is superb. The guitars, vocals, and their drummer is
amazing.

Let's see, yesterday I listed to:
Nocturnal Rites-I don't remember which cd
Iced Earth-- The Dark Saga
Pretty Maids-- Carpe Diem
Children of Bodom- I don't remember which one, but I was banging my
head that is for sure.

>    Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2004
>    From: bgast1
> Subject: Playlist
>
> Today:
> TESTAMENT--entire discography
> DEATH ANGEL--The Art of Dying
>
> I guess it was a thrash day....Bob


OH YA!!!  I still love that good ol' thrash!
especially Testament!
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Today:
TESTAMENT--entire discography
DEATH ANGEL--The Art of Dying

I guess it was a thrash day....Bob

>    From: Doug Vice <dougyfresh32@...>
> Subject: Re: Re: Playlist
>
> I want to hear everyone's opinion on the cultural
> progression of Christian hard music as of late.
> But what are happening to these and other Christian
>  bands lately?  I am seeing less fervent
> displays of  God's grace and
> mercy inherent in the messages of many many
> Christian
> bands as of late, and I shudder to think what may
> happen if things don't change. ZAO, for instance,
> has
> left Solid State in favor of Ferret Records. Even
> before the move, they are a mockery of their former
> self. That's the best example that I can think of. I
> want to hear opinions.
>
> DVII

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Hmmmmm. Punctuation. So solly. Nevermore is one of my favorite bands.
Great stuff. Just not very Christian friendly. I think that tonight,
I might listen to some Overkill. Also, great stuff but not very
Christian friendly.....Bob

Perhaps the punctuation threw you off. I read it to mean that he was
listening to the first LS and also stuff by Deliverance. But either
way, you have to keep your eyes on Bob, He's a misunderstanding
waiting to happen.. haha.

I also listened to the first LS yesterday and was digging it. Ive
been all into speed metal lately. I popped in some Powermad also. Not
real well known but the album 'absolute power' is pretty good stuff.

--- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, Doug Vice
<dougyfresh32@y...> wrote:
> ???????? Living Sacrifice never had an album named
> Deliverance. There was a band named Deliverance, but
> not a LS album. Yesterday I bought Nevermore's latest
> CD. It's amazing.
>
> DVII
>
>
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???????? Living Sacrifice never had an album named
Deliverance. There was a band named Deliverance, but
not a LS album. Yesterday I bought Nevermore's latest
CD. It's amazing.

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Well, I am a more metal listener than hardcore and metalcore. I like
your traditional metal, thrash, death metal, black metal. But the
hardcore screaming sortof just gets to me. Furthermore, I missed the
entire scene because I sort of got preached the rock n roll is evil
thing for so many years. Therefore mostly I am going back and
discovering what I missed. Have been listening to an awful lot of
Barren Cross, Mortification, Tourniquet, Metonia, some Living
Sacrifice particularily their first album, Deliverance. Also like a
lot of prog metal as well. One album that you absolutely have to get
is Theocracy if this tthe kind of music you like.

Good points Bro, That may be a reason I havent been as much into the
scene as I once was. I havent bought much new stuff in the hard realm
for a while. Ive been buying more praise albums than anything. To me,
one of the things I love about music in general is when they use it
as a conduit to proclaim their faith in God. I hadnt really
consciously thought about it but I do see what you mean.

Its a shame to see bands that sweat through the tough years when
theyre small yet focused on God only to make it big, where they have
such a powerful sounding board, only to turn into a noncomittal rock
band. Such is not the case for everyone but its happened enough to
times to notice a trend. Its like when they get into the spotlight,
they come across to the industry and fans like "See? we're no
differant than you. We can rock, we just stay away from typical bad
imagery (for the most part)." Its like its a get big then stay-below-
the-radar-and-blend-in campaign.

--- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, Doug Vice
<dougyfresh32@y...> wrote:
> I want to hear everyone's opinion on the cultural
> progression of Christian hard music as of late. A few
> years ago POD burst into the mainstream, blah blah
> blah. In recent enough times, As I Lay Dying, Demon
> Hunter, Underoath, Norma Jean, Mortal Treason, and The
> Agony Scene have released MTV2 worthy music videos.
> Solid State Records had commercials advertising their
> most recent Solid State Tour. Blindside and Pillar
> moved to major labels Elektra and Geffen. But what are
> happening to these and other Christian bands lately? I
> am seeing less fervent displays of God's grace and
> mercy inherent in the messages of many many Christian
> bands as of late, and I shudder to think what may
> happen if things don't change. ZAO, for instance, has
> left Solid State in favor of Ferret Records. Even
> before the move, they are a mockery of their former
> self. That's the best example that I can think of. I
> want to hear opinions.
>
> DVII
>
>
>
>
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I want to hear everyone's opinion on the cultural
progression of Christian hard music as of late. A few
years ago POD burst into the mainstream, blah blah
blah. In recent enough times, As I Lay Dying, Demon
Hunter, Underoath, Norma Jean, Mortal Treason, and The
Agony Scene have released MTV2 worthy music videos.
Solid State Records had commercials advertising their
most recent Solid State Tour. Blindside and Pillar
moved to major labels Elektra and Geffen. But what are
happening to these and other Christian bands lately? I
am seeing less fervent displays of God's grace and
mercy inherent in the messages of many many Christian
bands as of late, and I shudder to think what may
happen if things don't change. ZAO, for instance, has
left Solid State in favor of Ferret Records. Even
before the move, they are a mockery of their former
self. That's the best example that I can think of. I
want to hear opinions.

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I have been conitnuing with my reminiscing. Dusting off stuff I havet
heard in a while. I was into Believer the other day. I popped in the
Metanioa stuff today. It was ok. Didnt totally hit the spot.

--- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, bgast1 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> Today I have not listened to much music, yet.
> ULTIMATUM--The Mechanics of Perilous Times.  Fantastic straight
> lyrical Christian thrash from Albuquerque, NM.

Today I have not listened to much music, yet.
ULTIMATUM--The Mechanics of Perilous Times.  Fantastic straight
lyrical Christian thrash from Albuquerque, NM.

Yeah, you always seem to get me thinking back on track. Still like a
lot of secular music with crappy lyrics though. Was listening to
Nevermore today, just about everything they ever put out.

That Living Sacrifice is about as close to Slayer as you can get as a
Christian band. How about that METONIA--Time to Die. That is some
great death metal. Have you got EXTOL's--Synergy?

The last book I read was the final book of the Left Behind Series. I
have been telling myself for years that I was going to read those
C.S. Lewis books. I guess next time I am in Borders I will have to
pick up one of those books

Thanks Bob. You know I feel pretty strongly about that topic.

Havent heard anything by Thoecracy. I took your advice and popped in
the 1st LS among the other CDs I been going through. Good stuff.

Read any good books lately? I have been tearing through a bunch of
stuff. I read a couple fiction books by CS Lewis recently. Out of the
Silent Planet and Perelandra. That Hideous Strength is next. A space
trilogy they are. Deep stuff. Really insightful and imaginative.

--- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, bgast1 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> Well, Dave all I have to say is good post. Iron sharpens iron. I
will
> have to ponder this some more. But I suppose that is why I don't
read
> the lyrics. It's just too bad that the Christian realm doesn't have
> that much good metal.
>
> Oh by the way, one metal album which you should definitely get.
> Theocracy. Probably one of the best power metal albums to come out
in
> a while, secular or Christian. However, the Christian message on
this
> is top notch.

Well, Dave all I have to say is good post. Iron sharpens iron. I will
have to ponder this some more. But I suppose that is why I don't read
the lyrics. It's just too bad that the Christian realm doesn't have
that much good metal.

Oh by the way, one metal album which you should definitely get.
Theocracy. Probably one of the best power metal albums to come out in
a while, secular or Christian. However, the Christian message on this
is top notch.

We've talked about it before. But for the sake of not posting much in
the past year or so, I'll rehash my stance on this topic.

I dont know which bands you consider to be "even the worst of it" but
if youre talking about the Slayers, Cannibal Corpses, Deicide, Dimmu
Borgirs, etc of the world, take the following thoughts to heart.
Whether you realize it or not, whether you can even admit it or not.
The things that you surround yourself with are the things that are
going to influence you. Can you really listen to a cd that has great
music and honestly judge that what they are voicing to that music is
irrelevant just because you dont pay it heed? Think about it.

Or think about it this way, and forgive me if Ive already used this
analogy with you, I just think it really put things into perspective
for me. What if you are allowing the lyrics to be too distant and
impersonal. Take a song by Slayer from the hell awaits album for
example. I broke this cd and threw it away a while ago but the lyrics
have stuck with me (unfortunately). "kill the preachers only son,
watch the infant die, bodily dismemberment, drink the purest blood"
So because theoretically we cant fully understand that this is what
he is saying or because maybe we just mentally tune out until the
guitar solos kick in, this is acceptable? Ignorance is bliss?

Think about it this way. What if they are singing about your son, or
daughter, or Mother, or Wife. "Kill Bob's only son... etc". If thats
what they sing do you still go out and buy the album and crank this
crap out the of your car while you play air guitar and play drums on
the wheel? Ignorance is bliss?

How much more so then should we take it personally... extra
personally when people are blasphemous and make a mockery of God.
They dont even disguise what they say. You dont have to make any
substitutions because they spell it right out that way.

Is a fleeting pleasure, no matter how crushing the riff or how
masterful the solo worth the price it exacts in blinding us to the
truth and the insult it makes against God?

Think about it.

--- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, bgast1 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> You ought to get out the first Living Sacrifice too. Why I was just
> listening to some Deliverance last night myself. How about Metonia
> also. or Horde.
>
> I have been listening to a lot of secular stuff also. I really don't
> have a problem with even the worst of it as I have the ability to
not
> listen to the lyrics and just rock with the music.

You ought to get out the first Living Sacrifice too. Why I was just
listening to some Deliverance last night myself. How about Metonia
also. or Horde.

I have been listening to a lot of secular stuff also. I really don't
have a problem with even the worst of it as I have the ability to not
listen to the lyrics and just rock with the music.

The latest couple albums Ive invested in are Jeff Deyo- Light and
Third Day - Wire. More hard rock type stuff. The Jeff Deyo CD is
awesome. Aside from those 2 Ive really been just dusting off some old
stuff. Mostly speed metal from the late 80s early 90s like
Deliverance- Weapons of our warfare. Man, that stuff still rips.

--- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, bgast1 <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> --- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, ekimmel
<no_reply@y...>
> wrote:
> > Just picked up the new Demon Hunter.  It's just downright
amazing.
> > I thought it would be difficult to top or even be on par with the
> > latest SE and LS released but it's right up there with them.
> > Definitely go check it out.  Best Buy has it for $11.99 (and it
> > seems all SS releases for the same price).
>
> Yeah, I have heard this one is good. I liked the first one ok, but
it
> is nu-metal. Not my favorite genre, and really neither is hardcore.
I
> am into mostly old school stuff. Thrash, power metal etc. The first
> Living Sacrifice to me totally rocks.  Will probably pick up the new
> Demon Hunter though.

--- In hardcorechristianmusic@yahoogroups.com, ekimmel <no_reply@y...>
wrote:
> Just picked up the new Demon Hunter.  It's just downright amazing.
> I thought it would be difficult to top or even be on par with the
> latest SE and LS released but it's right up there with them.
> Definitely go check it out.  Best Buy has it for $11.99 (and it
> seems all SS releases for the same price).

Yeah, I have heard this one is good. I liked the first one ok, but it
is nu-metal. Not my favorite genre, and really neither is hardcore. I
am into mostly old school stuff. Thrash, power metal etc. The first
Living Sacrifice to me totally rocks.  Will probably pick up the new
Demon Hunter though.

Dudes, come on back and post guys. I have been checking in once in a
while but it seems nobody posts. Would love to see this thing get
going again.

SS = Solid State

:-)



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<dougyfresh32@y...> wrote:
> Ah man, now I feel like a retard. I know SE is Soul
> Embraced and LS is Living Sacrifice, but what is SS?
>
> DVII
>
> p.s. I totally forgot that I was on this thing.
>
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Ah man, now I feel like a retard. I know SE is Soul
Embraced and LS is Living Sacrifice, but what is SS?

DVII

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Just picked up the new Demon Hunter.  It's just downright amazing.
I thought it would be difficult to top or even be on par with the
latest SE and LS released but it's right up there with them.
Definitely go check it out.  Best Buy has it for $11.99 (and it
seems all SS releases for the same price).