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Re: [harmonic_entropy] Re: interval as pitch space, not frequency

Hi Kelly-

>hi Carl. One reference to this issue occurs in Richard Parncutt's
>important 1988 "Revision of Terhardt's Psychoacoustical Model of the
>Root(s) of a musical chord." On p. 70, he discusses Terhtards use of
>subharmonics for a chord root model, and on the 'mistuning' of the
>natural 7th harmonic, he writes that 'this does not effect the model,
>as mistunings by up to half a semitone may still be perceived as
>belonging to the tone [citations...]

There's nothing I can see here against harmonic entropy.

>...and variations in tuning may occur in performance of diatonic
>music [citations..] without effecting the musics perceived tonal
>structure.

"Tonal structure" sounds to me like it almost could be referring
to functional harmony, which is outside of the scope of harmonic
entropy or any model of psychoacoustic dissonance.

>I don't know the current status of this debate, but have often seen
>it stated in the psychacoust lit. that tonal fusion in a complex tone
>works within a range of 'mistuings'...

"Tonal fusion" is a loaded term, isn't it? One would have to
know what it means to comment.

-Carl




Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:27 am

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A leading Psychoacoustician wrote "I had a look at "Harmonic Entropy" and was immediately put off by the idea that intervals are frequency ratios (which ratio?...
traktus5
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Dec 29, 2007
4:51 pm

... Hi Kelly, Who said this? It doesn't seem like they understand harmonic entropy very well. -Carl...
Carl Lumma
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Dec 29, 2007
4:59 pm

Believe me, a top source. I belive it's based, partly, on the work of Bloomslitter and Creel. All you have to do is look at the main papers in...
Kelly Johnson
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Dec 29, 2007
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... What is based on Boomlitter & Creel? ... I'm not familiar with such papers. Can you cite some examples? -Carl...
Carl Lumma
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Dec 29, 2007
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hi Carl. One reference to this issue occurs in Richard Parncutt's important 1988 "Revision of Terhardt's Psychoacoustical Model of the Root(s) of a musical...
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Dec 30, 2007
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Hi Kelly- ... There's nothing I can see here against harmonic entropy. ... "Tonal structure" sounds to me like it almost could be referring to functional...
Carl Lumma
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Dec 31, 2007
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... We all know that certain properties hold for mistunings. That's the whole point of temperament. What you said is that the precise tuning doesn't matter....
Graham Breed
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