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Re: warbling

--- In harmonic_entropy@y..., Carl Lumma <carl@l...> wrote:
> >> () On the harmonic entropy list, when we were listening to
chords of
> >> tones with harmonic content, at least two of us reported
hearing a
> >> "warbling", "pulsing" at a rate which could only have been
caused by
> >> the presence of virtual pitches (not combination tones).
> >
> >i don't remember this being our conclusion. could you point us to
> >this discussion again? perhaps on the harmonic entropy list
> >itself . . .
>
> See msg. number 174.
>
> -Carl

i don't see how the presence of virtual pitches would help explain
this. virtual pitches occur at the missing fundamentals of
approximate harmonic series. that would be at the "1" of the
9:10:11:15 chord.

meanwhile, it's obvious that i was stoned when i wrote that message.
in fact i remember it -- i was at ara's apartment late at night.
anyhow, the most prominent combinational tones at low volumes are of
the form 2*a - b. and 2*10 - 9 = 11. so there ya go. combinational
tones do seem to be at work, explaining the warbling.

should one of us report back to the tuning list on this?




Sat May 25, 2002 2:13 am

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... See msg. number 174. -Carl...
Carl Lumma
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May 25, 2002
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... chords of ... hearing a ... caused by ... i don't see how the presence of virtual pitches would help explain this. virtual pitches occur at the missing...
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May 25, 2002
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... I thought you were suggesting a 2nd-order virtual pitches, if you will. ... Is there a name for 2*a-b combination tones? These are louder than a-b and a+b...
Carl Lumma
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May 25, 2002
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... i'd want to check over the psychoacoustic literature again to make sure cubic difference tones aren't *supposed* to be audible binaurally . . ....
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... How could a difference tone possibly be audible binaurally? I thought binaural tests were one of the classic ways researchers showed virtual pitch to be...
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May 29, 2002
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... make ... cubic difference tones are thought to come from a higher level of processing than the non-linearities that cause most other combinational tones. ...
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