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hey george, take a look at this curve:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harmonic_entropy/files/dyadic/secortst.g
if

i left it unlabeled for your fun and amusement . . .

(if you don't like seeing all those tiny local minima, not taking the
exponential should help . . . let me know).

anyhow, the global maximum here is at 67 cents.

the next most discordant intervals are kind of in that vicinity, but
don't form a contiguous region the way they did with the original,
smooth harmonic entropy formulation.

then, the next most discordant interval (within the octave) is at
1139 cents.

then more in the vicinities of 67 and 1139, with the caveat above.

then, 758, followed by 757, followed by *750* . . .

let me know if these values are ok for you . . . if not, there's
plenty more that can be tried on tomorrow's menu . . .




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hey george, take a look at this curve: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/harmonic_entropy/files/dyadic/secortst.g if i left it unlabeled for your fun and amusement...
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... importance ... more ... the ... ratios). ... local ... what ... I think we're talking about the same thing, but I just didn't say it the right way. By...
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Jul 3, 2002
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... and ... than ... bumps ... it ... but ... translate ... actually, it doesn't work that way in the harmonic entropy model. firstly, hearing harmonics is not...
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Jul 8, 2002
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... make ... I ... making ... I guess you could put it that way. But I would like the curve to correspond to what is actually heard with musical tones (i.e.,...
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Jul 9, 2002
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... not ... So ... the ... tones ... human voices, bowed strings, brasses, all of these can have audible harmonics into the 40s. but again, this doesn't...
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Jul 9, 2002
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... even ... We seem to be looking at this in two different (but related) ways: you're considering the tones in the intervals as partials over a missing...
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Jul 10, 2002
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... would ... consonance. ... in ... to ... waveform). ... audible ... *heard ... with ... if consonance were simply a matter of coincident partials, then ...
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Jul 10, 2002
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... a ... would ... If we're only considering intervals, then otonal/utonal has no bearing. Do you also have a calculation of harmonic entropy for chords? ...
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... a ... even ... exactly. you seem to be missing my point. read it over again. are you saying that completely different factors are at work in determining...
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Jul 11, 2002
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... over a ... fundamentals with ... even ... would ... determining ... assume ... Of course the same factors are at work. We perceive dissonance as ...
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... related) ... then ... there ... partials ... yes, i believe that the virtual pitch phenomenon (measurably distinct from combinational tone effects), which...
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... so ... other ... Could you tell me what some of those "other tetrads" were? But whatever they were, I suspect that we are not in disagreement on this,...
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Jul 17, 2002
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... concordant, ... the ... look at joseph pehrson's "tuning lab" page on mp3.com. ... on ... the question of primality (absolute primality, that is) doesn't ...
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