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Harmonic Entropy and the Raga

--- In harmonic_entropy@yahoogroups.com, <vilaalbert@h...> wrote:
>>>> .........
> Looking forward to more, >>>>

Indeed, there is more.

Hello ALL, I request Paul and other Group members to test the veracity of the
eight audacious statements I am making below. Your remarks will be very
valuable.

RHE and Raga-s
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A raga is a non-stochastic arrangement of notes. The improvisation of a raga is
a process in which every future note to be performed depends not only on the
present note being performed, but also on how this present note was arrived at.

Inferences from the above statements:

(1) the larger the number of notes in a raga, the greater is its Harmonic
Entropy. Obviously, it follows that vivadi (omitted) notes lower the Harmonic
Entropy.

(2) The greater the number of random ways in which we can combine the notes, the
greater is the raga's Harmonic Entropy.

(3) The greater the distance of the notes from the Sa (tonic), the greater is
the raga's Harmonic Entropy.

(4) The greater the specificity -- and consquent recognizability -- of a raga,
the lower its Harmonic Entropy. This is because, one recognizes a raga from (i)
the way and (ii) the order in which its constituent notes are ordered. This
reduces randomness. This is where the "jumps" I referred to in the previous
email, comes into play. These "jumps" lower the Harmonic Entropy of the raga.

(5) The longer one stays on a note, the lower the Harmonic Entropy gets. This
happens all the time, because the vadi and samvadi notes are stayed on longer --
even some other notes are stayed longer on, too, depending upon the requirements
of a raga. Similarly, vivadi (omitted) notes lower the Harmonic Entropy. At the
end of every alap (phrase), we come back to Sa (tonic), resulting in minimum
entropy.

(6) The greater the number of times a note is repeated, the lower the Harmonic
Entropy gets. As an example, Ga-Ga has a lower Harmonic Entropy than Ga-Pa.

(7) The greater the use of embellishments [ornaments like gamaka, meend
(glissando), murki etc.], the greater the Harmonic Entropy.

(8) The greater the use of vowels and consonants, the greater the Harmonic
Entropy. The vowel normally used is singing is 'aa'. Variations are achieved by
the use of 'ee', 'o', 'e' (as in "sEt"), and sometimes 'oo'. The use of
consonants implies using the words of the composition used during singing.

(9) The greater the correctness of the notes (as JI frequencies), the lower the
Harmonic Entropy.

As regards the math of Harmonic Entropy, I am acutely aware of my ignorance. But
I have depended heavily on my experience and intuition, and on the fact that I
can depend on the Harmonic Entropy pundits.

Regards, and thanks for your time,
Haresh.





Tue Dec 30, 2003 9:43 pm

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... equivalent? The last two Words(?) were invented by Monzo. Sonance is not equivalence to cordance, because sonance is dependent on musical context and...
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... From: wallyesterpaulrus To: harmonic_entropy@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:33 AM Subject: [harmonic_entropy] Reply to Haresh ... ...
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... Indeed, there is more. Hello ALL, I request Paul and other Group members to test the veracity of the eight audacious statements I am making below. Your...
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Hi Haresh, I'm afraid we are losing one another. Before I attempt to address what you write below, perhaps you could go back to message #698 and answer my...
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... veracity of the eight audacious statements I am making below. Your remarks will be very valuable. ... of a raga is a process in which every future note to...
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... .............. ... Does not the statement (i) account for the pentatonic raga-s, for example, being so powerfully stable and dominant from "times...
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... many questions. While I mull over your responses, I have the ... its ... notes ... some ... I remember reading that none of the pentatonic raga-s...
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... <wallyesterpaulrus@y...> wrote: ...................... Hi Paul, I re-read your reply carefully. The questions you have raised arose, I believe, because...
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... 11. ... Entropy. Well, from 4 to 5 for example, it seems you'd be lowering the harmonic entropy against a drone note at C4, but at the same time you'd be...
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