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Hello group. I read the statement below, and was wondering if you
scholars would be kind enough to say whether it is true, and if so,
where I could learn more about it?

"When different frequency waves meeet, they add and multiply. Phi
permits waves to intersect in orderly, harmonic patterns...thus waves
of a different length form a stable nest. In electronics, this
is 'heterodyne', and is used to modulate radio and tv signals..."

Also (---going out on limb here!) could it be possible that there is
some sort of interaction of harmonics, almost like the interference
pattern referred to above, but at the level of harmonics, which is
involved with the perception of 'chord color'? I guess I'm sort of
thinking of that older theory of dissonance pertaining to coinciding
partials....

If this is all too murky to even respond to, I understand! It's just
that I sort of visualize chord color, like synthesia, and am trying to
understand it...

thanks, Kelly





Mon May 23, 2005 11:05 pm

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Hello group. I read the statement below, and was wondering if you scholars would be kind enough to say whether it is true, and if so, where I could learn more...
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May 23, 2005
11:06 pm

... It depends in what sense you mean "add" and "multiply". It can't be in one and the same sense. ... This seems to be *least* true for phi and *most* true...
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May 24, 2005
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... you ... so, ... be ... I see what you mean. I'm mindful of your earlier comments on 'multiplication tones'. I saw the comment in a 'sacred geometry'...
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May 24, 2005
5:38 am

... on... ... What does this mean? What's a 'nest'? Why don't they have one? How are you assuming these chords are tuned? I would have presumed the opposite --...
wallyesterpaulrus
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May 26, 2005
1:10 am

... the tritone, > dominant-to-tonic pull, etc., are very much cultural, and those in ... Well, other cultures' tuning methods and practices are also...
traktus5
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May 27, 2005
3:08 am

... be > in one and the same sense. The source on this (it may be new-agey, soft science) is: http://www.soulinvitation.com/heterofi/heterofi.htm Anything to...
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May 27, 2005
5:35 am

Hi again Kelly, I read your reference right through. Well, the first few paragraphs - up to the heading "Applications?" - seems sound enough, if basic, ...
Yahya Abdal-Aziz
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May 27, 2005
6:59 pm

... Most of what's being said here is valid, and applies almost directly to Kraig Grady's work with Mt. Meru scales. He's posted a bit of information on this...
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May 27, 2005
7:36 pm

Hi Kelly, I think Paul answered the points on phi pretty much as I would have, so I won't repeat any of that. But I'm intrigued by your synaesthetic experience...
Yahya Abdal-Aziz
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May 25, 2005
9:50 pm

Hi Yahya, ... I've been thinking about this, recalling interviews with true synaesthesics (?), and am not sure.... I don't actually vividly see colors, but...
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May 27, 2005
3:30 am

Hi Kelly, True synaesthesia, as I understand it, consists in perceiving things _as if_ through another sense; there's no question of forcing anything. ...
Yahya Abdal-Aziz
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May 27, 2005
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Yahya wrote <I have only very ... It's interesting you say this, as I've always felt that a 'percussion' section of the orchestra should include instruments...
traktus5
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May 27, 2005
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Kelly, You're actually talking o some fairly subtle sounds - for example, balloons rubbing together - and some that are very difficult to record realistically...
Yahya Abdal-Aziz
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