... Paul ... Right, so the inductive proof of your observation would consist of my observation plus the observation that the first level consists only of the ...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 1, 2000 9:06 pm
299
Hi Robert... Sorry, things got a little busy, and I never definitively mentioned to you that, YES, the Smithy works *apparently* flawlessly right now, even...
Joseph Pehrson
josephpehrson@...
Dec 3, 2000 4:18 am
300
... Sorry, Paul... this was meant to go over to the other list. How did I do that?? ______ ___ __ _ Joseph...
Joseph Pehrson
josephpehrson@...
Dec 3, 2000 4:20 am
301
Joseph, it appears that some of my comments from the initial, open-voicing-biased, Farey-based rankings are still present on the Web page, even though the...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 8, 2000 11:44 pm
302
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/301 ... Web page, even though the ranking has been updated to use the exponential of the unbiased,...
Joseph Pehrson
josephpehrson@...
Dec 9, 2000 10:05 pm
303
... Hmm . . . that might have been a bold step . . . ... the ... wrong place . . . remind me what that was about? Also, regarding this chord . . . you...
Paul Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 11, 2000 2:31 am
304
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/303 ... Do you think that was a bit "preliminary??" Anyway, it's DONE (!!) ... this chord . . ....
Joseph Pehrson
josephpehrson@...
Dec 11, 2000 5:25 am
305
... Looking forward to it. And remember, the best way to avoid the otonal-favoring effects of combination tones is to listen to these chords at as _low_ a...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 11, 2000 8:29 pm
306
I did a new listening session with the new Tenney orderings on the Tuning Lab. After this session, I have concluded that things are MORE COMPLEX than I had...
Joseph Pehrson
pehrson@...
Dec 11, 2000 8:51 pm
307
... Let's clarify the essential distinction by referring to these rankings as TETRADIC and DYADIC, respectively. ... I'm surprised you forgot, Joseph . . ....
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 11, 2000 8:58 pm
308
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/307 ... rankings as TETRADIC and DYADIC, respectively. ... Fine, I will do this. It seems as though...
Joseph Pehrson
pehrson@...
Dec 11, 2000 9:56 pm
309
12-11-00 I did another listening session of the new dyadic Tenney rankings. The tetradic geometric mean list seems, on the overall, to do a better job with the...
Joseph Pehrson
pehrson@...
Dec 11, 2000 9:59 pm
310
... Not really -- each method captures a different component of total discordance. ... Fadda wadda wha? ... Again, they are meant to _each_ get at a...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 11, 2000 10:14 pm
311
... How about its partner, 1/7:1/6:1/5:1/4, relative to some of the other utonal chords on the list (remember, the DYADIC evaluation should be pretty accurate...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 11, 2000 10:31 pm
312
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/310 ... better than any of the old DYADIC ranking, if you can mentally take otonal synergy out of...
Joseph Pehrson
pehrson@...
Dec 11, 2000 10:34 pm
313
I wrote, ... Hmm . . . oops, there was also the 0__302__502__1004 which you thought was too consonant for its place on both lists. I have an idea for a better...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 11, 2000 10:38 pm
314
... Although the latter fails miserably for the stack of fourths and its octave-reductions, and didn't satisfy you too well for some other chords like...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 11, 2000 10:38 pm
315
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/310 ... didn't have an otonal geometric mean... They were at the "bottom" of the chart. I can see...
Joseph Pehrson
josephpehrson@...
Dec 12, 2000 3:44 am
316
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/311 ... the tetradic geometric mean list, so that listing does a better job with it! ... other...
Joseph Pehrson
josephpehrson@...
Dec 12, 2000 4:05 am
317
... So you're saying you find 0__302__502__1004 considerable more concordant than 0___502___702___1004? Hmm.... ... Except for the two chords above and the...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 12, 2000 7:26 pm
318
... But remember also that you're listening on a computer. Quiet tones may beat against the drone of the computer fan(s), possibly a spinning CD-ROM if one...
David J. Finnamore
daeron@...
Dec 12, 2000 7:47 pm
319
I don't understand why a new mathematical ranking should affect our listening rankings. These are the same sound files, right? -- David J. Finnamore ...
David J. Finnamore
daeron@...
Dec 12, 2000 7:50 pm
320
David Finnamore wrote, ... beat ... is ... those ... Hmm, I haven't noticed any extraneous sounds coming from my computer, but it would certainly be a good...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 12, 2000 8:10 pm
321
... listening ... Exactly....
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 12, 2000 8:11 pm
322
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/317 ... concordant ... I realize that these tetrads were the subject of discussion before... We had...
Joseph Pehrson
pehrson@...
Dec 12, 2000 8:12 pm
323
I listened again to the two pairs of tetrads under discussion, #15-16 and #27-28. This time, I found it was difficult to distinguish any significant ...
Joseph Pehrson
pehrson@...
Dec 12, 2000 8:28 pm
324
Joseph Pehrson wrote, ... Are you sure? I thought we had put these chords at the bottom of the geo ranking, since they are essentially tempered:...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 12, 2000 8:29 pm
325
... Familiarity? Easier extrapolation to tonal context? Or is there really a _sensual_ difference?...
Paul H. Erlich
PERLICH@...
Dec 12, 2000 8:30 pm
326
... wrote: http://www.egroups.com/message/harmonic_entropy/324 ... before... We had concluded that 0___502___702___1004, approximately expresssed as...
Joseph Pehrson
pehrson@...
Dec 12, 2000 8:41 pm
327
... Do you have a message # to refer to here? ... You got it . . . perhaps 36 _random_ dyads, and I'll make it a _blind_ test this time . . . what do you guys...
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