Greetings hiphop blogger fam:

Cherryl Aldave here. Sorry I have fallen off the Yin Yang Twins
thread since last week. E-mail server issues.

Below is the post I was gonna put up on hiphop-blogs last week b4 my
computer drama. This response is kinda graphic but my intent is not
to offend:


P***y + Beating = Fun: A Non PC Response to the Ying Yang
Twins "Wait" Song


I love the "Wait" song. I used to listen to it while writing, while
gardening etc., along with other kinds of music. I actually hadn't
listened to it in a while cause like everything, after a while it
loses its appeal and you go on to something else. Love the video too.

But since this debate I've started listening to the song again to see
if I've missed something. And I don't think I did. It's a cute song
with a sexy ass beat. But then again some things are just for grown
folks. I am constantly amazed at how easy it is for people to forget
that there is such a thing as adult entertainment.

After reading the various posts on this and the Village Voice article
that started all this, I'd like to discuss some things.

Some folks say the lyrics promote "rape", so let's do a quick
examination of the lyrics:

(sample verses)

1. "...see I don't mind asking for head... " Ok. I don't either.

2. "...you like to fuck have your legs open all in the buck..." Hell
yeah.

3. "...he fucks her near the dishes and she's nuttin..." Sounds
pleasant enough.

I don't see any problem with the lyrics. Not even the "bitch" part.
Not even the "beat the p***y up" part.

It's just (gasp!) a song folks. I know too many people who like this
song. I know hillbillies who like this song, literally. Where I live
is very close to Appalachia.

But I do agree that some things should not be broadcast during hours
where the listening audience contains a lot of very young people.

I used to be a radio deejay in the early nineties and back then there
was just this understanding between deejays that you wouldn't play
like, Lil Louis & the World's "Nice and Slow" at 2 pm.

Now more about lyrics. In the beginning of "Wait", Yin or Yang says
something about "nah i'm just playing" and this seems to have set a
lot of people off.

In the mindframe of someone who has suffered through sexaul assualt,
yes this could be hurtful to hear.

Now, if this is so, then I mean this with the utmost sincerity and
empathy: Please turn the song off and go seek professional help for
your trauma. Trying to bring down the piss-yellow-gold grilled Yin
Yuck Twins is not the answer.

I think this is the heart of the matter for me; the real thing that
bothers me about this. And that is what I perceive as a pattern of
women who have been sexually assaulted taking their frustrations out
by attacking lyrics, videos, etc., then it pretty much stops there.

This is not the answer alone, and in fact is hurtful to all women
because these tactics do not address root issues in black/minority
and other communities.

After all, did rape/incest/pedophilia not exist before radio? I think
religion has more to do with patriarchy and misogyny than anything
else, and there could be a lyric in every song that bothers someone,
then what?

And if boycotting artists and publications is the answer we all might
as well chuck every Schoolly D, NWA and early PE record we have. Let
us not forget that even PE called women bitches in their early days.
I mention PE in this article
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/print/t.feature_article/id.198
in which I make it perfectly clear that I am not an advocate of just
calling women bitches for the hell of it, and in this article I do
say that calling women "bitches" is a problem.

But two years older now, and I believe a bit wiser I've re-thought my
closing statements in that article, and what I *really* think the
problem is, like with most issues, is lack of balance.

There is little balance to the types of songs being produced by men
and women in hip hop today, but the "PC-ing" of hip hop is not the
answer. There's just so many other things I could see energy being
directed towards to change people's mindsets in general, primarily
self esteem efforts for girls without fathers.

Perhaps we as a society could try educating kids when they are very
young about proper sexual behavior, and not in middle school when
they're already bumping uglies in the band room. That's just one idea.

And I do not think that songs like "Wait" make black men look like
savages, unless that is in your mindframe anyway and all you listen
to is your local Hot/Foxy/Jams syndicate.

After reading Jessica Hoppers sentiments here:
http://tiny.abstractdynamics.org/archives/005612.html


"3. 'by people who have no sympathy for lechers' -- Anthony, have you
ever had your pussy beat up? Have you ever been raped? Have you ever
started to leave the house and suddenly decided to change your outfit
from shorts into jeans because you did not want to be harrassed? Have
you ever been followed home in the day light or the dark? You ever
been stalked? You ever been sexually harrassed by a boss? You ever
been slapped in the face by an employer, in front of other people,
for refusing his advances? You ever been beaten with a shoe by a man
that insists "loves" you? Have you ever considered what it is like to
be a little afraid anytime you are alone, even when you are in your
own house, because of lechers? Have you ever considered how the women
you know and see on the street and at the office and on stage live
their lives because of "lechers"? See, I have , so I do not have any
give in my heart for seeing the lechers side of things. So, in light
of alla that I do not have a lot of humor around lechers. I do not
have the luxury of a critical blind eye to a song, or a cannon of
songs, a domination aesthetic present in music I like and music I do
not NOR pop hits about hitting or hurting people, keeping bitches in
line, etc. Nor am I interested in threatening forced sex anthems
being dismissed (sic) or, rather, emboldened as catchy tunez fun
timez."

I must say I totally empathize with where Jessica is coming from, but
again, I do not think boycotting a publication or type of music is
the answer. Besides, I wouldn't categorize what the Twins do as hip
hop. I think "crunk" should be its own spinoff category, kinda like
house was from disco.

I am a huge house head too btw, this is perhaps why I dig the track
as its quite "housey" in a way.

And if Snoop does have rape charges then burn his fuckin ass.

BTW, just so folks know, I am not as Julianne Shepehrd puts it,
an "internerd-critic".
http://www.urbanhonking.com/cowboyz/archives/2005/05/no_means_no.html

I am just a hip hop head mom of three who claims my right to be a
voice for the people despite the fact that I have no degrees (because
I shit on the eurocentric education system) who has been around and
seen some things. Done some things and yes! I must admit on occasion
does like getting it beat up - the right way.

respect,

cherryl | http://thelastnerve.blogspot.com


--- In hiphopbloggers@yahoogroups.com, Rafi Kam <rafikam@y...> wrote:
> People...
>
> The Clarence Carter reference was a joke! I happened upon it tonight
> when I was getting nostalgic with an old high school friend.
>
> But as long as we're there, I agree that they're very different in
> finished product but really a whole world apart in connotation?
They're
> both boast songs about how good the singer is at sex... One is coy
and
> more fun and the other is nasty, blunt and less interesting. But
> they're both about the dick-slinging prowess of the singer.
>
> In my last post (which was probably a mistake as I definitely didn't
> mean it to offend) I was just trying to raise the question of what
is
> this uproar really about. Unfortunately I was too coy in my
methodology
> and Diva's reply put it in much clearer terms... It's not about the
> song being an affront to humanity, it is about what's appropriate
for a
> mass of children to consume so then lets say that's what this is
about.
> And as a dad and part-time teacher I can be on-board for that
> discussion although as a proponent of free speech I go into that
> conversation with a built-in set of worries about the implications
> before the first word is even said.
>
> Wow it's 3am... I'm just putting off work so I can write bullshit
like
> the above.
>
> Goodnight
>
> --- jsmooth995 <jsmooth@h...> wrote:
>
> > Damn I guess that was the 90s haha.. I can't believe the 90s were
> > that long ago.
> >
> > But again, I don't see how those songs are comparable.. there's a
> > world of difference in tone and connotation between Clarence's
coy
> > reference to anal sex and the Twins' "bitch my dick will beat
your
> > pussy up"
> >
> > -Jay
> > wbai / hiphopmusic.com
> >
> >
> > --- In hiphopbloggers@yahoogroups.com, m c <djdiva1973@y...>
wrote:
> > > Si Senor..I am quite aware of the release date of the song.
(1994)
> > My mother and her friends loved it too. However, I did not
indulge in
> >
> > viewing "The Box" on a regular basis...who would want to see an
old
> > blind man singing about strokin something? I guess the same kind
of
> > people who could enjoy the Ying Yang Twins..My point was they did
not
> >
> > play it on the radio during the day.
> > >
> > > You must have given my blog a cursory glance and summed it all
up
> > too quickly in your mind. I obviously care...considering the
Catch 22
> >
> > I find myself in..being a DJ and a responsible parent. My comment
in
> > regards to it being played to adult audience is as simple as it
gets.
> >
> > I don't feel like it is appropriate for children, so no, I don't
feel
> >
> > like it should be played on mainstream radio during the day. As
well
> > as a bunch of other songs that I tend to enjoy. I am fully aware
of
> > the boundaries I want my children to adhere to, my only gripe is
that
> >
> > mainstream media makes it harder on me.
> > >
> > > I would be curious to know if you have children. Particularly a
> > little girl? You want her dancing to it? Or singing bam, bam,
bam,
> > bam? Never get enuf, never get enuf? And that's the clean version.
> > >
> > > You are correct in assuming that it isn't about gender
politics. I
> > wouldn't pay any attention to such an idiot if he crept up behind
me
> > saying such asinine lines. However, keeping your child a child
by
> > not exposing them to this overly sexual content? I don't consider
it
> > Puritanism, just Good Parenting. I would be the first one you
would
> > blame if you saw my twins wilding out in a sexual manner at nine
> > years old. Capitalism or Puritanism? Dude you really taking this
> > further than it needs to go. Of course I'm not going to pick
either
> > side. It would be Ludacris.
> > >
> > > I am a mother who loves HipHop. I listen to things like that
out of
> >
> > the earshot of my girls. Cause I'm grown. I can handle it. U can
> > handle it. Children? They Can't.
> > >
> > > You ain't gotta agree with me...and save the veiled insults
because
> >
> > I really don't give hoot what you think about what I do with my
spare
> >
> > time. Next time read a little closer.
> > >
> > > I ain't here to argue...so I won't respond to you again on this
> > issue...All I ever really wanted to say about it was on my blog.
> > >
> > > DIVA
> > >
> > > http://djdiva.blogspot.com
> > >
> > >
> > > Rafi Kam <rafikam@y...> wrote:
> > > For the record Clarence Carter's "Strokin'" was a big hit in
the
> > early
> > > 90s on "The Box" (a music video channel where the playlist was
> > > determined by paid phone calls from the viewers).
> > >
> > > But who cares if the song is played on mainstream radio or not.
Is
> > it
> > > the message of the song or its popularity that is
objectionable. If
> >
> > it
> > > was just being played on college radio then this would be a non-
> > issue?
> > >
> > > In that case why have any outrage at all towards the artist?
> > >
> > > Your comment about being "played at adult parties" suggests to
me
> > that
> > > the issue is not really at all about gender politics but simply
the
> > > appropriateness of what Keter called just "a dirty song".
> > Capitalism vs
> > > Puritanism. Which side are you on?
> > >
> > > Finally as we wait for the answer song from the person (sorry
MJ)
> > who
> > > posted Kelis's dirtier milkshake video for her male blog
readers a
> > week
> > > earlier, I just want to say God Bless Hiphop.
> > >
> > > - Devil's Advocate
> > >
> > >
> > > --- djdiva1973 <djdiva1973@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's cool that you found that song...but it was never played
on
> > > > mainstream radio like the Ying Yang...Back then they had a
name
> > for
> > > > that.."underground"...played at adult parties and sold under
the
> > > > table...
> > > >
> > > > I will admit...i'm feeling Busta's verse on the remix...he
could
> > > > whisper in my ear all day
> > > >
> > > > Diva
> > > > http://djdiva.blogspot.com
> > > >
> > > > --- In hiphopbloggers@yahoogroups.com, "El Keter ben Tzadik"
> > > > <keter@i...> wrote:
> > > > > Word, he strokes it to both the east and the west.
> > > > >
> > > > > He also likes stickin' it in the butt.
> > > > >
> > > > > El Keter ben Tzadik
> > > > > Imageyenation Multimedia/Urban Alternatives Crew
> > > > > e-mail: keter@i...
> > > > > aol instant messenger: elketerbentzadik
> > > > >
> > > > > interweb:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.imageyenation.com : IMAGEYENATION : Underground,
> > urban
> > > > and alternative culture
> > > > >
> > > > > http://urbaltcrew.imageyenation.com : URBAN ALTERNATIVES
CREW :
> >
> > > > Spinning Dusty Grooves and Urban Alternatives late night
Mondays
> > and
> > > > Wednesdays, 12 midnight to 3 AM eastern time on 90.7 FM WTCC,
and
> >
> > on
> > > > the web
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Rafi Kam
> > > > > To: hiphopbloggers@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 10:27 PM
> > > > > Subject: [HiphopBloggers] nice juxtaposition
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Feminism 101 indeed:
> > > > > http://img291.echo.cx/img291/2884/feminism1014mp.jpg
> > > > >
> > > > > observed at
> > http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/04/25/121330.php
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Yingyang twinz have little to nothing on Clarence
Carter
> > > > > http://www.80smusiclyrics.com/artists/clarencecarter.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
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