Hello all,

The Boston Civic Symphony is playing an all-Beethoven concert this Sunday,
November 15, 3:00 p.m., in Jordan Hall on the New England Conservatory
campus.

The program includes Leonore #3, Piano Concerto #4 (Max Levinson, piano),
and the Symphony #5. Tickets are available at
<http://www.csob.org/tickets.html>. I also have one free ticket. The only
catch is that, if you take the free ticket, you have to come, or we will
hold our next rehearsal at your home. That's the good news--the bad news
is that the next rehearsal is holiday pops.

The Boston Civic Symphony is the group I've been playing in for several
years. This is easily the best orchestra we've had during my tenure--so
good that our conductor actually smiled a couple of weeks ago.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson

Scott,

Well...I do believe in the Triumph of the Will...and I think it is downright
dandy you have lived such a successful and disciplined life. I spent over
twenty years in the Air Force and then the Army so I know about getting up
early and doing things (one of recruiting slogans of the US Army used to be
"we do more by nine o'clock than most people do all day"). Scott, when I
retired from the Army I got a job working in a state police crime lab where
I was on the night shift for over five years. So as you can see I have lived
and survived under a variety of time change conditions...BUT...that does not
mean that I do not function best in the early afternoon into the evening.
All of us have a natural body clock or rhythm, and some of us are morning
people an some of us are afternoon/night people. I used to work for a
colonel who was a late afternoon person who really didn't start demanding
that things be done until around 4pm in the afternoon. We might have had the
first formation for physical training at 6am, but many evenings his staff
officers stayed not infrequently until 7pm or later (the enlisted soldiers
were released at the normal end of the duty day, but we "privileged"
officers had the honor of acceding to the colonel's wishes).

I am certain, too, that working the midnight shift contributed to some
serious health problems from which I have never fully  recovered (at one
point, my personal physician told me that I had about 24 months to live, and
my health got so bad that I had to quit playing the horn for several years).
Although I functioned working all nights and was successful at my job, I was
chronically depressed due to sleep deprivation issues (in the end you cannot
defeat circadian rhythm) , became morbidly obese (300 hundred pounds and I
am only 5'6") developed type 2 diabetes, high blood pressure, and had what
my cardiologist called a "significant cardiovascular event" (read: mild
heart attack which went undiagnosed and untreated). Now while the effects of
my health problems can be directly related to the obesity, the obesity can
in large part be related to my lifestyle which was related to working
nights.  I was also playing in several community orchestras, studied
privately for awhile, and I would frequently go to a rehearsal and then go
directly to work...until of course I reached a point where I was in such a
state of physical and mental exhaustion that I had to drop it.
In the end, the answer for me was gastric bypass surgery which restored much
but not all of my health , and a change in jobs where I worked resulting in
a normal daytime Monday thru Friday schedule. I used to think I was a tough
self-disciplined guy, too.

So yeah, Scott people can adjust over a period of time and we can triumph
over personal liabilities due to either genetics or environment...but you
know Scott, what you have utterly failed to do, other than  to impress us
with what a self-disciplined tough guy you are, highly successful
apparently, and driven, is to recognize that we are all different, with
different temperaments and genetic make-up. I worked with a women on my
night-shift job at the crime lab, who could never adjust to working all
nights, and finally she had to quit. This was a person with a very good
track record of success in previous jobs, she simply couldn't live with the
hours.  My supervisor on the night shift who had great problems sleeping
during the day, finally had a total physical collapse and a heart attack. So
you see Scott, maybe you are lucky that you have a number of factors that
favor you, that maybe others simply do not.  What you do not seem to have is
much empathy.

Now I am not one of those individuals who believes that people are victims
of either their genes or their environment. We are all conscious agents of
choice. What I think we have here is a person who posed a legitimate
question that is of obvious concern to her, and instead she gets a
self-righteous sermon from someone who prides himself on what a great guy he
is despite the disclaimer that he means to offend no one and that those who
are easily offended ignore his post, suggesting or implying that maybe he is
offense in demeanor as many self-righteous and driven people appear to be.

One of virtues of this great list, is that it is generally free of rancor
and we have a reputation of being able to disagree without being
disagreeable. It is not my intent to level some type of ad hominim attack
upon you, but rather to be candid.  I am sure that if we were to meet at a
horn symposium, we could sit down and have a beer and some friendly
conversation...but in this thread, I have to emphatically disagree with the
posture and position that you have taken.

Conja, may have given the best advice in the sense is that in my opinion,
Mara, needs to change her schedule around the next several weeks, and if
possible, go to bed earlier and hence rise earlier. Maybe it is a pain in
the behind, but it would only be for several weeks, and then she can go back
to her previous schedule.

So Scott, keep plugging away and adapting and overcoming...just I like I
have for the last forty years or so since I became an adult, and hopefully
before you move on to the next phase of existence you will develop a sense
of empathy, and realize that not everyone is as good or virtuous as
yourself.

With all best wishes,

Mark Louttit

PS who always sleeps as late as he can, when he can

Nancy,
The best answer would be to visit the Orchestra's website at
http://www.kwsymphony.ca/2009_10/About-Us-KWS-History.html
As for CBC we used to do lots of recording but not so much anymore because of
all the cuts at CBC. BTW I was borned and raised in Montréal, I studied at the
Conservatoire de Musique du Québec à Montréal 1982-1988.
Martin

--- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "Nancy" <nancymomkids@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Martin,
>
> How many concerts do you guys have per season?
>
> Is the orchestra fairly young?  Do you get any performances on CBC
broadcasting?
>
> Nancy (Montreal)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "MartinL" <martin_limoges@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Count me in !!!
> > I'm playing an Alex 200a. This is my everyday horn.
> >
> > Martin Limoges
> > Kitchener-Waterloo Symphony
> > Ontario, Canada
> >
> > --- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Clark" <sclark05@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I do now!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jason, you and I make two.out of.hundreds - thousands even.  That's still
a
> > > VERY small number.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps you'd be willing to write a bit more about the advantages.  If I
had
> > > to name one single thing I like best, it would be that I do not have to
use
> > > any Bb side 1-2 combinations.  I do use them occasionally, but only for
> > > smooth fingering reasons, not because the other options are poor.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where did you get your instrument, Jason, through Wichita Band, or some
> > > other dealer?  And was the ascending system a special order?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sandra
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Lots of good suggestions.  Did I miss something, though?  Did anyone
suggest that exercise in the morning can help with the physical
symptoms of early morning playing?  A good, brisk 1-hour walk, for
example?  Or an active yoga practice for an hour?  Most of us have
trouble in the morning because of puffy lips.  The fluids in the body
seem to be stagnant.  Get them moving for the next three weeks before
your warm up, and see if that doesn't help.

Jean Rife

Hello everyone,
I am 55 years old and haven't played the horn for over 25 years.  I want to get
in practice again to have fun playing again.  I just got a Conn 8D and have
started practicing.  I have only been playing now for 5 days.  When I was in
music school my teacher changed my embochure so that it workded better but I
didn't play much after that.  Now I am trying to remember the embochure
placement.  Has anyone come back to the horn after a long hiatus?  What should I
expect regarding the building up of muscle again.  I didn't realize how much I
can't do -even maintaining a pitch.  I don't know what to expect.  How long does
it take to be able to play again?  I'm a little discouraged but still eager to
play again.  Any advice? Help? How and what should I be practicing?
Thank You,
Judith

Sandra,
I was just browsing to see what was out there about the ascending horn, then I
saw the old post... Just wanted to join the troops and support that wonderful
system.
BTW,I had a blast playing Malher 9 on the Alex 200a last season. I'm looking
foward to play Shostakovich 5th in the spring.

Martin


--- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Clark" <sclark05@...> wrote:
>
> Hear Hear for the Ascending horn!
>
>
>
> (you really reached back Martin - that note is months old!)
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Kerry Thompson <alpha@...> wrote:
"...that being a late riser was a lack of discipline."

I apologize if I made it sound that way.  To me, discipline is less "get up now,
you lazy bum*" and more "You do not have to like it, you just have to do it."

*= a direct quote heard frequently in my house as I was growing up ;)
 
Kerry Thompson <alpha@...> also wrote:
"I think that's the only significant thing we may differ on--is it nature or
nurture that makes one a morning person or a night owl, and how much control
we have over that."
 
We may actually agree on this also, except maybe the control part.  If I cannot
train myself to play at my highest level at a certain time, I have no business
taking people's money at that time.  In other words, there is no place in my
professional life for the concept of "morning" or "evening" person.  The fact
the this student is doing a Masters level recital on horn makes me believe that
she is pursuing professional standards, and let's face it, 9:30 am is not an
unreasonable time to have to play (anyone remember Mr. Betts' Beethoven #7
story?).  One thing we definitely agree on, however, is that Nature does play a
part.  For example, no amount of positive thinking will mitigate the very
physical effect of "Pillow Face;" only time can fix that! This is why I
recommend that she find out how long it takes for her face to feel good and
back-plan her wake up time with that information.
 
Kerry Thompson <alpha@...> also wrote:
"I do think you're right, though, for the grad student Though I'm a late riser,
I often have early rehearsals (early by my standards--9: 00 a.m.). I've
adjusted, and I think the grad student should, and probably can, adjust. It will
take a bit of time to get used to playing in the morning, and that may never be
her best time of day, but one should learn to be
competent at any hour."

I cannot say this better, so I won't!
 
Respectfully Submitted,
Scott Young

 
 
 




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Thank you, Paul!
 
 
During my first semester of college, I was in a brass quintet. We met twice a
week, one of those times being 8:00 am Monday morning!! That meant showing up at
7:30 for a nice warm-up, or showing up at 7:58 and learing to play without
warming up. I got very good at the latter.
 
Having a lesson at 9:00 am is aslo a good way to learn to play well in the
morning.
 
That has helped me later in life when I have a 6:00 am shift and I have to "hit
the ground running".
 
Bill Tyler      
Charlotte NC Air Traffic Cntrol Tower
 


--- On Wed, 11/11/09, corno911@... <corno911@...> wrote:



 
 
 



Early morning, Early evening, Very late night,
It does not matter.

The reality is, if you want to play professionally, you do not set your
playing schedule.

You have to learn to play your best at any time.





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Paul has a lot of really good points. Sometimes, you just have to "Inner
Game" it. Some of the things that have helped me are things like the concept
of "creative not caring." Where you just kinda, well, don't care. And that
releases you to just play. I would check the book out from the library and
read it between early morning practice sessions.


Stephen
Leacock<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/s/stephen_leacock.html>
- "I detest life-insurance agents: they always argue that I shall some
day
die, which is not so."

On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 23:32, <corno911@...> wrote:

> Early morning, Early evening, Very late night,
> It does not matter.
>
> The reality is, if you want to play professionally, you do not set your
> playing schedule.
>
> You have to learn to play your best at any time.
>
> You will probably encounter:
>
>          early morning rehearsals and performances for school concerts.
>
>          early orchestral rehearsals (sometimes).
>
>          very early and very late quintet or chamber music rehearsals.
>
>          If you do recording sessions, sometimes they are scheduled at
>           the strangest times. Often they are scheduled around many
> players
>           different performance schedules.
>
> You have get used to it and just do it.
>
> There may be times when you have to play concerts when it is the last
> thing in the world you would choose to do that day or night, but you do
> it anyway.
>
> Always remember, of all the things some people have to get up early to
> do, playing a concert isn't really such a  bad a thing to have to do.
>
> Train yourself to play your best under all types of circumstances and
> times.
>
> How?      Just do it !
>
> Read the   "Just Do It"   section of Froydis' book- it may
> help.
>
> If you have a 9:30 concert practice at 8 am for a while. Maybe after a
> week or so, playing as late as  9:30 will feel like a relief.
>
> If you think you will have a hard time playing at 9:30, then you
> probably will.
> If you can focus on the music you are playing and not your physical
> feeling, keep a positive outlook toward your recital, believe that you
> will do your best, and practice competently during early mornings, you
> will do much better than if you keep telling yourself or worrying that
> you won't make it through the recital.
>
> Paul Navarro
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Early morning, Early evening, Very late night,
It does not matter.

The reality is, if you want to play professionally, you do not set your
playing schedule.

You have to learn to play your best at any time.

You will probably encounter:

           early morning rehearsals and performances for school concerts.

           early orchestral rehearsals (sometimes).

           very early and very late quintet or chamber music rehearsals.

           If you do recording sessions, sometimes they are scheduled at
            the strangest times. Often they are scheduled around many
players
            different performance schedules.

You have get used to it and just do it.

There may be times when you have to play concerts when it is the last
thing in the world you would choose to do that day or night, but you do
it anyway.

Always remember, of all the things some people have to get up early to
do, playing a concert isn't really such a  bad a thing to have to do.

Train yourself to play your best under all types of circumstances and
times.

How?      Just do it !

Read the   "Just Do It"   section of Froydis' book- it may
help.

If you have a 9:30 concert practice at 8 am for a while. Maybe after a
week or so, playing as late as  9:30 will feel like a relief.

If you think you will have a hard time playing at 9:30, then you
probably will.
If you can focus on the music you are playing and not your physical
feeling, keep a positive outlook toward your recital, believe that you
will do your best, and practice competently during early mornings, you
will do much better than if you keep telling yourself or worrying that
you won't make it through the recital.

Paul Navarro

Scott Young wrote:

> she could opt for number 3) keep telling herself that she is not a morning
> person, not make any changes, and suck on her recital.

It probably wasn't clear from my post, but I wasn't challenging you, or
anybody, to a pissing contest. There are plenty of people who accomplish, on
a daily basis, things that leave us both in the dust. I was only challenging
your assumption--or at least my perception of your assumption--that being a
late riser was a lack of discipline.

Perhaps I overreacted, because it's a common misperception that late risers
are lazy and undisciplined--we're all Beetle Baileys. My point wasn't that
I'm superhuman, or better than you (or anybody else on the list), but that
an night owl can be disciplined and reasonably accomplished.

I think that's the only significant thing we may differ on--is it nature or
nurture that makes one a morning person or a night owl, and how much control
we have over that. That, I think, varies greatly from person to person. Look
at the desperate measures the late Michael Jackson took just to get a
night's sleep, and you start to understand the difficulty of prescribing a
particular sleep pattern for any individual.

I do think you're right, though, for the grad student. Though I'm a late
riser, I often have early rehearsals (early by my standards--9:00 a.m.).
I've adjusted, and I think the grad student should, and probably can,
adjust. It will take a bit of time to get used to playing in the morning,
and that may never be her best time of day, but one should learn to be
competent at any hour.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson

As annotated:
-- On Tue, 11/10/09, Kerry Thompson <alpha@...> wrote:
That's a behavioral change, though, not a change in your nature. I had
sufficient discipline to stop smoking 30 years ago, but I am still a nicotine
addict. I changed my behavior, not my nature.

First, Kudos for quiting smoking.  I agree that changing your behavior is
different than your nature.  That is very well worded.
 
Kerry Thompson <alpha@...> wrote:
I am glad that Scott, and other military people, live up to their set of
standards. I have no quarrel with them at all--in fact, I admire them for their
discipline.
 
Well, former military.
 
Kerry Thompson <alpha@...> wrote:
I live up to my set of standards, too. I have rehearsals and performances that
go until 11:00 at night, and it simply would not be healthy for me to discipline
myself to get up at 5:00 the next morning. I honestly have to question what
benefit it would be to me, and to society as a whole.

 
Not to make too fine of a distinction, but my post was not directed to you, but
to a Masters level student that has to play a 9:30 am recital.  If my specific
advice to her does not benefit you or society as a whole, I sincerely
apologize.  Playing well in the morning is only important to those who have to
play well in the morning.

Kerry Thompson <alpha@...> wrote:
I'm also a computer programmer, and there are times when I work through the
night because a project is due. Sometimes I put in 80-hour weeks. It's on my
terms, though, and I don't think anybody has any right to say that I lack
discipline because I go to bed at 4:30 and get up at 10:00 sometimes.
When you can (1) lead a team of developers on a Web site that has literally
millions of children using it, (2) play principal in a decent orchestra like the
Boston Civic, and (3) be a competitive weight lifter (I dead lift 315, squat 250
at age 60), then we can talk about discipline. Until then, I'm glad that you get
up early; you have my admiration (but not my envy); and I will continue to
believe that discipline is not measured simply in the hour you get up in the
morning.

 
Although I am not generally interested in these types of "contests," I will
concede that my 1) leading a Fine Arts department in an exclusive private school
that has had 100% placement in college for the last 22 years, 2) being the
tenured second hornist in a fully professional regional orchestra, 3) being an
overly active freelance hornist, 4) teaching at the local state college, 4)
walking without a visible limp or a cane although my service resulted in
paralysis of my left leg below the knee when I was 31 years of age, 5) accepting
commissions and having music published (not self-published) 6) maintianing and
growing my relationship with my wife and two daughters, one of whom is a cancer
survior, which includes too frequent trips to a regional Childrens' Hospital
(including the 3 days before this last weekend's gigs), does not compare with
your work schedule.  With that said, it is the Masters student that needs to
either 1) get up early and get her
  chops functioning at the Masters level, or 2) stay up late and have the energy
to spare to not just get through her recitial, but to do so with panche and
grace.  Or, of course, she could opt for number 3) keep telling herself that she
is not a morning person, not make any changes, and suck on her recitial.
 
Respectfully Submitted,
Scott Young




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Hello Martin,

How many concerts do you guys have per season?

Is the orchestra fairly young?  Do you get any performances on CBC broadcasting?

Nancy (Montreal)






--- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "MartinL" <martin_limoges@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Count me in !!!
> I'm playing an Alex 200a. This is my everyday horn.
>
> Martin Limoges
> Kitchener-Waterloo Symphony
> Ontario, Canada
>
> --- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Clark" <sclark05@> wrote:
> >
> > I do now!
> >
> >
> >
> > Jason, you and I make two.out of.hundreds - thousands even.  That's still a
> > VERY small number.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps you'd be willing to write a bit more about the advantages.  If I had
> > to name one single thing I like best, it would be that I do not have to use
> > any Bb side 1-2 combinations.  I do use them occasionally, but only for
> > smooth fingering reasons, not because the other options are poor.
> >
> >
> >
> > Where did you get your instrument, Jason, through Wichita Band, or some
> > other dealer?  And was the ascending system a special order?
> >
> >
> >
> > Sandra
> >
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

Larry Brunelle wrote:

> I think that people do indeed have their better hours
> and that no amount of discipline, per se, will necessarily
> change them.

I think Scott is right in saying that, with appropriate discipline, we can
change behavior. A night owl can, indeed, learn to arise at 4:30 in the morning.

That's a behavioral change, though, not a change in your nature. I had
sufficient discipline to stop smoking 30 years ago, but I am still a nicotine
addict. I changed my behavior, not my nature.

I am glad that Scott, and other military people, live up to their set of
standards. I have no quarrel with them at all--in fact, I admire them for their
discipline.

I live up to my set of standards, too. I have rehearsals and performances that
go until 11:00 at night, and it simply would not be healthy for me to discipline
myself to get up at 5:00 the next morning. I honestly have to question what
benefit it would be to me, and to society as a whole.

I'm also a computer programmer, and there are times when I work through the
night because a project is due. Sometimes I put in 80-hour weeks. It's on my
terms, though, and I don't think anybody has any right to say that I lack
discipline because I go to bed at 4:30 and get up at 10:00 sometimes.

When you can (1) lead a team of developers on a Web site that has literally
millions of children using it, (2) play principal in a decent orchestra like the
Boston Civic, and (3) be a competitive weight lifter (I dead lift 315, squat 250
at age 60), then we can talk about discipline. Until then, I'm glad that you get
up early; you have my admiration (but not my envy); and I will continue to
believe that discipline is not measured simply in the hour you get up in the
morning.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson

I think that people do indeed have their better hours
and that no amount of discipline, per se, will necessarily
change them.  And suppose our rhythms could be changed?
Why, then, we might play our best at 6:00 AM, but how
does that help us on the 8:30 PM concert?

That said, the truth is that there will ALWAYS be some
early services, whether church services or kiddie concerts,
morning weddings, or even teaching lessons.  Yep, 7:00 AM
lessons; it does happen.  And the fact is that you're
expected to play at least adequately for all.  That means
you want your "worst" to be good enough, and that takes
practice, perhaps at 6:30 or 7:00 AM, or earlier.

Not to gainsay those who advocate the one-time all-nighter,
if that's what works.

Scott Young wrote:
> And respectfully re-submitted, (if I may be excused some justifiable
> service pride), 234 years of training and conditioning has blown away
> and re-written "medical science" on a yearly basis.  Not to wax to
> philosophical, by I am not a "moist robot" that must follow my
> biological imperative, but by judicious use of my mind, will, and
> emotions I can change my behavior and even my physical attributes.
> Otherwise, why bother practicing?  Should I stop practicing,
> studying, and perfecting my ear because of some perceived limits?  Do
> weight trainers give up when they reach a plateau?  Should the fact
> that I "come alive" around 10:00 pm each night stop me from playing
> nine hours of rehearsal in 24 hours (2:00 pm until 2:00 pm, 3
> services), record a live concert six hours later for public radio
> broadcast and then play a televised solo at 8:30 am the very next
> morning (BTW that was last weekend's itinerary)?  If they are
> completing a professional degree, they should train (and expect) to
> be successful; No (biological) excuses.
>
> I beg your pardon for channeling my inner Pizka.
>
> Respectfully Submitted, Scott Young
>
> --- On Tue, 11/10/09, alpha@...
> <alpha@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: alpha@... <alpha@...> Subject: Re:
> [horn] Early Morning Recitals To: horn@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday,
> November 10, 2009, 2:35 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Scott Young wrote:
>
>> I personally feel that people do not divide into morning and
>> evening, but disciplined and undisciplined.
>
> Respectfully submitted, medical science disagrees with you.
>
> Cordially,
>
> Kerry Thompson

Hear Hear for the Ascending horn!



(you really reached back Martin - that note is months old!)



Sandra





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Count me in !!!
I'm playing an Alex 200a. This is my everyday horn.

Martin Limoges
Kitchener-Waterloo Symphony
Ontario, Canada

--- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "Sandra Clark" <sclark05@...> wrote:
>
> I do now!
>
>
>
> Jason, you and I make two.out of.hundreds - thousands even.  That's still a
> VERY small number.
>
>
>
> Perhaps you'd be willing to write a bit more about the advantages.  If I had
> to name one single thing I like best, it would be that I do not have to use
> any Bb side 1-2 combinations.  I do use them occasionally, but only for
> smooth fingering reasons, not because the other options are poor.
>
>
>
> Where did you get your instrument, Jason, through Wichita Band, or some
> other dealer?  And was the ascending system a special order?
>
>
>
> Sandra
>
>
>
> *
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Hey Scott!!!  You are THE MAN!!!  Still getting up early and fixing breakfast?

Ed Calfee




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From: Scott Young <scott44y@...>
To: horn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:47:02 PM
Subject: Re: [horn] Early Morning Recitals

 
And respectfully re-submitted, (if I may be excused some justifiable service
pride), 234 years of training and conditioning has blown away and re-written
"medical science" on a yearly basis.  Not to wax to philosophical, by I am not
a "moist robot" that must follow my biological imperative, but by judicious use
of my mind, will, and emotions I can change my behavior and even my physical
attributes.  Otherwise, why bother practicing?  Should I stop practicing,
studying, and perfecting my ear because of some perceived limits?  Do weight
trainers give up when they reach a plateau?  Should the fact that I "come
alive" around 10:00 pm each night stop me from playing nine hours of rehearsal
in 24 hours (2:00 pm until 2:00 pm, 3 services), record a live concert six
hours later for public radio broadcast and then play a televised solo at 8:30 am
the very next morning (BTW that was last weekend's itinerary)?  If they
are completing a professional degree,
they should train (and expect) to be successful; No (biological) excuses.
 
I beg your pardon for channeling my inner Pizka.
 
Respectfully Submitted,
Scott Young

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, alpha@cyberiantiger .biz <alpha@cyberiantiger .biz> wrote:

From: alpha@cyberiantiger .biz <alpha@cyberiantiger .biz>
Subject: Re: [horn] Early Morning Recitals
To: horn@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:35 PM

 

Scott Young wrote:

> I personally feel that people do not divide into morning and evening, but
> disciplined and undisciplined. 

Respectfully submitted, medical science disagrees with you.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson

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What do you have for breakfast?  Carbs for quick energy; protein for longer.  Do
you practice the night before?  Do you warm down if it's an exacting practice
session?  How late do you practice?  Do you get enough sleep before the morning
session?  Lastly, have you had any run-through recital rehearsals at 9:30 to
test your endurance under performance conditions (not just practicing)?

Bruce Clausen


   ----- Original Message -----
   From: mara_448
   To: horn@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:33 AM
   Subject: [horn] Early Morning Recitals



   Hello All!

   I'm a masters student in Canada and I am playing a 40 minute recital in about
3 weeks time...at 9:30am!!
   I am not what you would call a morning person, and my chops agree with me. I
have been praticing waking up early and warming up before 8:30am but so far when
I try and play through my program I lose steam about half way or 3/4 of the way
through, and feel stiff in general.
   Does anyone have any tips on how to survive early morning performances? All
advice will be greatly appreciated!

   M






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--- In horn@yahoogroups.com, "mara_448" <mara_448@...> wrote:
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> Hello All!
>
> I'm a masters student in Canada and I am playing a 40 minute recital in about
3 weeks time...at 9:30am!!
> I am not what you would call a morning person

Nobody's ever accused me of being one, either! <g>

Seriously, if this is a one-shot deal, I'm firmly in the camp of those who say
just to stay up, play the !@#$^% thing, and go crash in the sack the rest of the
day. That's the approach Farkas took to one of his auditions, I think in
Cleveland, but don't plan to take the time to look it up.

If this is going to happen more than once, you'll have to train your body to
deal with it. In addition to the warm shower, I have always found a hot drink
(hot tea is what I've imbibed) early in the morning to be helpful. Also, don't
try to force your early morning warm up, for two reasons: 1) you may manage to
injure yourself, and 2) it won't work. Your body will warm up on its schedule.

Howard Sanner
hornlist@...

And respectfully re-submitted, (if I may be excused some justifiable service
pride), 234 years of training and conditioning has blown away and re-written
"medical science" on a yearly basis.  Not to wax to philosophical, by I am not
a "moist robot" that must follow my biological imperative, but by judicious use
of my mind, will, and emotions I can change my behavior and even my physical
attributes.  Otherwise, why bother practicing?  Should I stop practicing,
studying, and perfecting my ear because of some perceived limits?  Do weight
trainers give up when they reach a plateau?  Should the fact that I "come
alive" around 10:00 pm each night stop me from playing nine hours of rehearsal
in 24 hours (2:00 pm until 2:00 pm, 3 services), record a live concert six
hours later for public radio broadcast and then play a televised solo at 8:30 am
the very next morning (BTW that was last weekend's itinerary)?  If they
are completing a professional degree,
  they should train (and expect) to be successful; No (biological) excuses.
 
I beg your pardon for channeling my inner Pizka.
 
Respectfully Submitted,
Scott Young

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, alpha@... <alpha@...> wrote:


From: alpha@... <alpha@...>
Subject: Re: [horn] Early Morning Recitals
To: horn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:35 PM


 



Scott Young wrote:

> I personally feel that people do not divide into morning and evening, but
> disciplined and undisciplined. 

Respectfully submitted, medical science disagrees with you.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson











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Scott Young wrote:

> I personally feel that people do not divide into morning and evening, but
> disciplined and undisciplined. 

Respectfully submitted, medical science disagrees with you.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson

> Does anyone have any tips on how to survive early morning performances?

James Maxwell, the great Scottish mathematician, was faced with a similar
issue when he went to Cambridge in 1850. He was 19, and, like many
musicians, a night owl.

He was informed that there was mandatory 6:00 a.m. chapel for students. He
thought for a moment, then nodded and said, "Aye, I suppose I could stay
up that late."

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson

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statement: 
I personally feel that people do not divide into morning and evening, but
disciplined and undisciplined.  With that said, here is how to figure out how to
make your chops work earlier.
Ask yourself these questions:
1:  What time do I normally get up?
2.  What time do my chops feel right?
3.  Subtract the two and find the difference in hours.
4.  Now get up that much earlier plus half an hour every day from now until you
play your recital.
Doing this every day from now until your recitial is important so that your body
can adapt to its new rhythm.  During the extra half an hour, take as warm a
shower as you can stand and let the water run over your chops for about five
minutes. 
 
Respectfully Submitted,
Scott Young
 
Veteran of 5 years of 6:30 am musters for Morning Colors ceremonies, that oddly
included Holst's First Suite.


--- On Tue, 11/10/09, mara_448 <mara_448@...> wrote:


From: mara_448 <mara_448@...>
Subject: [horn] Early Morning Recitals
To: horn@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 8:33 AM


 



Hello All!

I'm a masters student in Canada and I am playing a 40 minute recital in about 3
weeks time...at 9:30am!!
I am not what you would call a morning person, and my chops agree with me. I
have been praticing waking up early and warming up before 8:30am but so far when
I try and play through my program I lose steam about half way or 3/4 of the way
through, and feel stiff in general.
Does anyone have any tips on how to survive early morning performances? All
advice will be greatly appreciated!

M


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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 07:33, mara_448 <mara_448@...> wrote:

> Hello All!
>
> I'm a masters student in Canada and I am playing a 40 minute recital in
> about 3 weeks time...at 9:30am!!
> I am not what you would call a morning person, and my chops agree with me.
> I have been praticing waking up early and warming up before 8:30am but so
> far when I try and play through my program I lose steam about half way or
> 3/4 of the way through, and feel stiff in general.
> Does anyone have any tips on how to survive early morning performances? All
> advice will be greatly appreciated!
>
> M
>
>
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Hello All!

I'm a masters student in Canada and I am playing a 40 minute recital in about 3
weeks time...at 9:30am!!
I am not what you would call a morning person, and my chops agree with me. I
have been praticing waking up early and warming up before 8:30am but so far when
I try and play through my program I lose steam about half way or 3/4 of the way
through, and feel stiff in general.
Does anyone have any tips on how to survive early morning performances? All
advice will be greatly appreciated!

M

I'm trying to find a couple of parts for some of Stephen Gerber's Christmas
music. I've googled around, and can't find them. I looked on thompsonedition and
luck's music, and no luck.

Does anybody know where I can get those parts? We have the rest of the music,
but you know how parts go wandering.

Cordially,

Kerry Thompson

Larry, my Farkas warm-up takes around 20 minutes. I start on the Bb side of my
Holton 178, (all a forth higher) now. Warming up to F above high C5. I also have
my low range down to A1 (not very strong) ( Some people call is A0). I don't do
the Farkas sessions. I do try to do all Mozart Concertos with taped
accompaniments. (Not on days I have do ensemble ensemble playing or programs in
schools.
Athletes do physical exercise with no sound, I do physical exercise with sound.
Make sense? I also, right after Farkas warm-up spend a few minuets of trilling
from F# above C3 up to C5.
I really believe trilling is one of the best exercises there is. All of my
students learn how to trill soon after lessons begin. Did you know a trill is
just an over-sized vibrato?
Sorry, I could go on an on. Take care, Marty

To "Martin Williams Sr."
Could you share with us more of your advice for playing horn in our senior
years?  What is different?  Do you use different horns and mouthpieces?  Do you
practice differently?

I'm 62 and don't do well with the Farkas' recommended three one-hour sessions. 
I do a single 90 minute private practice session because all of my required
ensemble rehearsals are 2+ hours (and I need to practice for the endurance), and
I need a 24-hr. rest period to recover.

Thank you,
Larry
  ________________________________________________________________________
> 1a. Ken: Practice <more> in your old age.
>     Posted by: "Martin Williams Sr." martyhorn@...
> martycorno
>     Date: Sat Nov 7, 2009 9:47 pm ((PST))
>
> Ken, find some recorded accompaniments to Mozart Concertos
> and others. Get the parts.
> Warm up with Farkas warm-up, and play some every day. It
> will do wonders for your health. And maybe some playing with
> a group may come along. I have been doing since my full time
> performing job stoped round twenty years ago. I still do
> some odd jobs. I will be 80 this coming Jan 18th and my
> health is in excellent shape. I strongly believe that it is
> because I still practice at least an hour or more 7 days a
> week. Give it a try anyway. Marty