This has caused me to rethink this tune and the Bossa Nova. (an early solo

guitar performance that is fast somewhat virtuosic. Surprised me. I have often

told people to slow the bossas down. For the most part I am right. But, what if

I am wrong?

Jim

This is the earliest recording I know.

Tom Jobim



PS.

My friend, David Earle Johnson told me he was playing a party in Rio. David said

that on the breaks he and Tom would find a room and get high and play. This is

classic David Earle, "Jobim, why do you write the same tune over and over."



Maybe it is true, still; you don't get in a person's face and call em out.

Antonio Carlos Jobim?!



Jim

At 11:04 PM 7/7/2009, Jim Mings wrote:

>

>Maybe it is true, still; you don't get in a person's face and call

>em out. Antonio Carlos Jobim?!

>

>Jim





It is NOT true.

Jobim did have a style that he mined assiduously.

Gershwin said if he could get a fine one in 12 that was good. Jobim wrote many

pedestrian songs to get to his special ones. The marijuana reference, i don't

know. i wasn't there. it wouldn't surprise me or impress me none. You know Elis

Regina?

David was there. I believe that. I believe he spent days in voodun ceremonies in

Cuba. He is dead now and I have no way to lie detector the dude. I did not make

it up. The man could chant like no body's business. He might have exaggerated,

but I never knew him to lie.

History is basically the stories people remember.

Mings

--- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, "David B. Klein" <dbklein@...> wrote:

  It is NOT true.

  David, please tell the truth.

Jim

At 01:55 AM 7/8/2009, Jim Mings wrote:

>--- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, "David B. Klein" <dbklein@...> wrote:

>  It is NOT true.

>  David, please tell the truth.

>Jim





He had a characteristic style, but I wouldn't accuse him of writing

the same song over and over. His music was far from a one-note samba.



David

--- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, "David B. Klein" <dbklein@...> wrote:

  He had a characteristic style, but I wouldn't accuse him of writing

  the same song over and over. His music was far from a one-note samba.

  David



Hi David,

That was kinda my point. You wouldn't, I wouldn't, but David Earle would. ;-) I

really wanted you to hear this particular version of Ipanema. It was a

revelation to me.

Jim

At 08:48 AM 7/8/2009, Jim Mings wrote:

>--- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, "David B. Klein" <dbklein@...> wrote:

>  He had a characteristic style, but I wouldn't accuse him of writing

>  the same song over and over. His music was far from a one-note samba.

>  David

>

>Hi David,

>That was kinda my point. You wouldn't, I wouldn't, but David Earle

>would. ;-) I really wanted you to hear this particular version of

>Ipanema. It was a revelation to me.

>Jim

>





Sorry, did I miss a link?

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/oN5UShgj5t36jRtCxVa-HHj7Aj-a4XYFZLmLYQcm_V4oGgyUkaM\

ddf7ugcQd8tYm0Wwfn55HO8O44ZgKzHuG5Z6LMU3sw6_c/Girl%20From%20Ipanema%20original.m\

p3



David,

Maybe you can help me. I am not sure I am doing it correctly, but I upload

things directly into the files. At one time there was a box to click that said

notify group of upload. That doesn't seem to be there anymore. I have uploaded

some very fine things that no one has commented on.

Lately:

1)Artur Rubinstein playing Chopin (I wanted to discuss "rubato" what it actually

means and its implications for solo jazz guitar.)

2)Maria Callas singing the big aria from Barber of Seville (wanted to discuss

virtuoso singing and how we might borrow/steal ideas from other languages.)

3) me explicating  Some Other Time for solo gtr.

4) Laurindo Almeida's fantastic arrangement of Little Girl Blue



If no one at all comments after a few days i delete them so others have a lot of

headroom to upload things. I have also uploaded some of my music. It doesn't

stay up long because no one responds.

When I went to our files there was Jobim's Ipanema. I did "save link as" and it

opened my email. I copied the above from there and pasted it just as you see.

Hope it works.

Jim

Jim



Very Interesting. I too have often told people to slow the Bossa

down. Perhaps we now have an excuse to do the often played manic

speed NY style bossa?



What's the source of the recording? Anymore details?



--

Alisdair MacRae Birch

Guitarist/Bassist/Educator/Arranger

http://www.alisdair.com



P.S. The Url for the file is:



http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/jazz_guitar/files/Members%20Files/MP3s/

It can also be represented as:   http://snipurl.com/me4t9

I keep wishing people would use  snipurl.com or tinyurl.com or any of the

sites that shorten the urls...  It's so much easier







> P.S. The Url for the file is:

>

>

> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/jazz_guitar/files/Members%20Files/MP3s/

>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>





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P.S. The Url for the file is:

  Thank you Angelo.

I am not very sophisticated with this appliance. ;-)



Per usual, I have been informed by Andy Seyler. I asked him to tell me about

Jobim and this record (I am old, I call them records) was suggested. I don't

know for sure when this cut was recorded but it is on "Antonio Carlos Jobim: Do

Brazil Gold Collection Vol. 1. I have never heard Tom play so much, so fast. As

Alisdare mentioned, perhaps we should rethink bossa and include more of the

samba.

Those in the know please take this and run. I have long thought Jobim's music to

be the epitome of cool. Now I hear a heat that alters my thinking.

And, he is in F. The hit was in Db. Am I correct? I await further instruction.

Bless all,

Jim

This msg is like all the others I've read in this thread. Never have

I seen a url to check out the tune. It is quite possible that I

missed it. I'm old too. But I mostly like it.



Best to you Jim.



Ron

Living and playing outside the box.



http://www.myspace.com/ron45becker



On Jul 8, 2009, at 8:35 PM, Jim Mings wrote:



>

>

> P.S. The Url for the file is:

> Thank you Angelo.

> I am not very sophisticated with this appliance. ;-)

>

> Per usual, I have been informed by Andy Seyler. I asked him to tell

> me about Jobim and this record (I am old, I call them records) was

> suggested. I don't know for sure when this cut was recorded but it

> is on "Antonio Carlos Jobim: Do Brazil Gold Collection Vol. 1. I

> have never heard Tom play so much, so fast. As Alisdare mentioned,

> perhaps we should rethink bossa and include more of the samba.

> Those in the know please take this and run. I have long thought

> Jobim's music to be the epitome of cool. Now I hear a heat that

> alters my thinking.

> And, he is in F. The hit was in Db. Am I correct? I await further

> instruction.

> Bless all,

> Jim

>

>







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--- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, Ron Becker <ron45@...> wrote:

  But I mostly like it. Best to you Jim.

Thanks, Ron. I like you, too. Best back at ya!

I think we have a great resource here, but I am not sure how to make the best

advantage of it.

What I want to do is provide audio for the topics so we can HEAR what is being

discussed. I am doing something wrong and would appreciate any help.

The URL I posted did not work. I got it from the file itself..........???

Do many people check out the files of this group?

We have a fair amount of space to fill although when I have tried to upload big

zip files, I am told that there is a limit.

I would humbly ask the moderators to explain the upload parameters (for the

umteenth time, I bet, lo siento) and procedures. I believe that we should not

only talk and write about music, but Listen to it as well.

Thanks for letting computer amateurs participate in this group.

Jim

The URL I posted did not work. I got it from the file itself..........



I never saw the post w/a url but as I said I probably missed it.

Those are finicky things to deal with sometimes if there are < or >

before or after the url and you include these the server says

`naaaahhhh, I can't find that'. Some times a url is more than fits on

one line and if you don't get it all...  same deal. But I for one

like listening to jazz and have a good system on the back end of this

mac to enjoy it with.



Keep trying we all value your input.



Ron

Living and playing outside the box.



http://www.myspace.com/ron45becker



On Jul 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Jim Mings wrote:



>

>

> --- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, Ron Becker <ron45@...> wrote:

> But I mostly like it. Best to you Jim.

> Thanks, Ron. I like you, too. Best back at ya!

> I think we have a great resource here, but I am not sure how to

> make the best advantage of it.

> What I want to do is provide audio for the topics so we can HEAR

> what is being discussed. I am doing something wrong and would

> appreciate any help.

>

> Do many people check out the files of this group?

> We have a fair amount of space to fill although when I have tried

> to upload big zip files, I am told that there is a limit.

> I would humbly ask the moderators to explain the upload parameters

> (for the umteenth time, I bet, lo siento) and procedures. I believe

> that we should not only talk and write about music, but Listen to

> it as well.

> Thanks for letting computer amateurs participate in this group.

> Jim

>

>







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Jim,

As I mentioned in a previous reply, I like to use url clippers. These aids

chage a URL of 100 characters to one of, maybe, 20.

These are two that are commonly used:

  http://www.snipurl.com  and http://www.tinyurl.com  .  Snip is my fave...



What you do is:

Upload your file to the archives.

Copy the URL of the file from the address (URL) bar of your browser.

Open the Snipurl (or Tinyurl) page.

There will be a text box into which you past the address you just copied.

There will be a button (snipit) or (make tinyurl) which you click.

This will create a small url which you copy and paste into the message you

send to us (or to anybody).

We click on it... and viola! it opens to your file...

Practice it a bit. I think it's one of the best aids to communicating on the

web...





On 7/9/09, Jim Mings <jmings2003@...> wrote:

>

> --- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, Ron Becker <ron45@...> wrote:

> But I mostly like it. Best to you Jim.

> Thanks, Ron. I like you, too. Best back at ya!

> I think we have a great resource here, but I am not sure how to make the

> best advantage of it.

> What I want to do is provide audio for the topics so we can HEAR what is

> being discussed. I am doing something wrong and would appreciate any help.

> The URL I posted did not work. I got it from the file itself..........???

> Do many people check out the files of this group?

> We have a fair amount of space to fill although when I have tried to upload

> big zip files, I am told that there is a limit.

> I would humbly ask the moderators to explain the upload parameters (for the

> umteenth time, I bet, lo siento) and procedures. I believe that we should

> not only talk and write about music, but Listen to it as well.

> Thanks for letting computer amateurs participate in this group.

> Jim

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Yahoo! Groups Links

>

>

>

>





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Thanks Angelo, I was wondering about that too.



Ron

Living and playing outside the box.



http://www.myspace.com/ron45becker



On Jul 9, 2009, at 2:59 PM, Angelo wrote:



>

>

> Jim,

> As I mentioned in a previous reply, I like to use url clippers.

> These aids

> chage a URL of 100 characters to one of, maybe, 20.

> These are two that are commonly used:

> http://www.snipurl.com and http://www.tinyurl.com . Snip is my fave...

>

> What you do is:

> Upload your file to the archives.

> Copy the URL of the file from the address (URL) bar of your browser.

> Open the Snipurl (or Tinyurl) page.

> There will be a text box into which you past the address you just

> copied.

> There will be a button (snipit) or (make tinyurl) which you click.

> This will create a small url which you copy and paste into the

> message you

> send to us (or to anybody).

> We click on it... and viola! it opens to your file...

> Practice it a bit. I think it's one of the best aids to

> communicating on the

> web...

>

> On 7/9/09, Jim Mings <jmings2003@...> wrote:

> >

> > --- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, Ron Becker <ron45@...> wrote:

> > But I mostly like it. Best to you Jim.

> > Thanks, Ron. I like you, too. Best back at ya!

> > I think we have a great resource here, but I am not sure how to

> make the

> > best advantage of it.

> > What I want to do is provide audio for the topics so we can HEAR

> what is

> > being discussed. I am doing something wrong and would appreciate

> any help.

> > The URL I posted did not work. I got it from the file

> itself..........???

> > Do many people check out the files of this group?

> > We have a fair amount of space to fill although when I have tried

> to upload

> > big zip files, I am told that there is a limit.

> > I would humbly ask the moderators to explain the upload

> parameters (for the

> > umteenth time, I bet, lo siento) and procedures. I believe that

> we should

> > not only talk and write about music, but Listen to it as well.

> > Thanks for letting computer amateurs participate in this group.

> > Jim

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> > Yahoo! Groups Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

>







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Thanks a lot, Angelo,

I will copy and paste this into Word and put it on my desktop. Maybe I will

learn this time.

Jim

Hi everybody,



I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you all, and in this case Jim Mings,

for all the knowledge and wisdom you have put onto this list.

Regarding that version of "Garota de Ipanema", I don't think Jobim could play

that fast. I have another version on a cassete that is undoubtely the same

player, but it is recorded live. It is a bit more exciting, more "RUBATO" if you

want. Unfortunately I never knew who was the player.



Just now I was searching on deezer (I love deezer!) and I think I found the

player: Baden Powell! Check it out:



http://www.deezer.com/#music/result/all/baden%20powell%20garota



Joao Pedro



PS: Does anyone recall that wonderful site that had a lot of Jobim scores and

arrangings, some hand written? I have been looking for a while without

results...

There were two videos on that page one poorly lit and recorded [ lots

of spurious noise ] but well played. The other was well lit with a

much brighter guitar [not as good a sound as the Baden Powell and

quite as well played. It seemed a little faster too. Do you know who

that guy was? Just curious. He played some cool voicings in the head

of the tune to achieve the chord, melody,and bass parts. The darker

version sounded like the same positions on the guitar but I just

didn't see .......



Ron

Living and playing outside the box.



http://www.myspace.com/ron45becker



On Jul 10, 2009, at 2:47 AM, Joao Rodrigues wrote:



>

>

> Hi everybody,

>

> I'd like to take the opportunity to thank you all, and in this case

> Jim Mings, for all the knowledge and wisdom you have put onto this

> list.

> Regarding that version of "Garota de Ipanema", I don't think Jobim

> could play that fast. I have another version on a cassete that is

> undoubtely the same player, but it is recorded live. It is a bit

> more exciting, more "RUBATO" if you want. Unfortunately I never

> knew who was the player.

>

> Just now I was searching on deezer (I love deezer!) and I think I

> found the player: Baden Powell! Check it out:

>

> http://www.deezer.com/#music/result/all/baden%20powell%20garota

>

> Joao Pedro

>

> PS: Does anyone recall that wonderful site that had a lot of Jobim

> scores and arrangings, some hand written? I have been looking for a

> while without results...

>

>







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Hi Ron,



No, I have no idea who they are. But beeing a classical guitar student myself, I

think they learned that from some transcription of Baden Powell version. It does

not have that spontaneity of jazz guitar (like Baden Powel version had, for

instance). Anyway, it is a great work, and I wouldn't mind learning it as

well...



Joao Pedro

Thanks for clearing that up. It was interesting to compare the two.



Ron

Living and playing outside the box.



http://www.myspace.com/ron45becker



On Jul 13, 2009, at 3:42 AM, Joao Rodrigues wrote:



>

>

> Hi Ron,

>

> No, I have no idea who they are. But beeing a classical guitar

> student myself, I think they learned that from some transcription

> of Baden Powell version. It does not have that spontaneity of jazz

> guitar (like Baden Powel version had, for instance). Anyway, it is

> a great work, and I wouldn't mind learning it as well...

>

> Joao Pedro

>

>







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Joao,

Thanks for your research. It does sound like Baden Powell. He and Jobim were

good friends, no? I thought it was too hot to be Tom, but the cd is in Tom's

name so i was confused and definitely intrigued.

Jim

--- In jazz_guitar@yahoogroups.com, "Jim Mings" <jmings2003@...> wrote:

>

> Joao,

> Thanks for your research. It does sound like Baden Powell. He and

> Jobim were good friends, no? I thought it was too hot to be Tom, but

> the cd is in Tom's name so i was confused and definitely intrigued.



Hi Jim



You're welcome, it is nice to be able to help once in awhile!



By the way, do you know Joao Bosco? It is a Brasilian guitar virtuoso, a bit

unknown.

Angelo Thanks there is so much on the computer that I don't know  let alone jazz

guitar.I'm slowly learning some of it.As I learn how to access the files it will

expose me to some of the wonderful stuff you guys do. Thanks again

man.  Marshall



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David,

The link I gave doesn't seem to work.

Go to files/members files/mp3s and there it is.

There is also a great song about Paris: Once Upon a Summertime!

I hope you enjoy,



Jim

"He had a characteristic style, but I wouldn't accuse  him of writing

the same song over and over. His music was far from a  one-note samba."





Nor would I.  Songs like "Stone Flower", "Waters of March", etc, I  think

would support the notion that he didn't write the same song over &  over;

even "One Note..." has changes under the melody.  Heck, if I could  make

the kind of impact Jobim made writing the same thing over & over, I'd  sure

go for it.  I like his songs, and enjoy trying to find "new stuff" in

there every

time I play 'em.  My drummer is always saying, "I don't want to play

another

bossa", and I wonder why...



Cheers,

JV



Juan Vega



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(http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove00000003)





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At 09:57 AM 7/8/2009, JVegaTrio@... wrote:

>Nor would I.  Songs like "Stone Flower", "Waters of March", etc, I  think

>would support the notion that he didn't write the same song over &  over;

>even "One Note..." has changes under the melody.





I'd say Desafinado is a work of genius.



Cheers, David

One of my faves is the little-played "Bonita". It sounds like none of the

others I know of...





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>>

>>

>>Hi David,

>>That was kinda my point. You wouldn't, I wouldn't, but David Earle

>>would. ;-) I really wanted you to hear this particular version of

>>Ipanema. It was a revelation to me.

>>Jim





That's Jobim himself, eh? Very nice!



David

Hi Guys







I find it very easy to go to the files for our group. I am also in other

music groups that have iterations of their group name just for the purpose

of having a larger file base.







It is easy to listen to the Jobim recording that you (Jim) have posted there

for us. Thank you.  And very, very interesting.







It is not at all my favorite version of the song, but then he grew up with

the bossa and other latin rhythms and perhaps, is far more tired of the

slower approach than I am. Personally I can't get enough, or play enough of

those slow, driving, controlled, but powerful and so full of life and

energy, rhythms from South America. But then I haven't played Girl From

Ipanema nine thousand times like some other musicians have had to.







Here is a hypothesis for you all: Ipanema is the most requested song in the

soft jazz business. Additionally: it used to be Melancholy Baby.







All the best, John







PS Jim I love your idea of us sharing music as a basis for discussion and an

open sharing of musical ideas.







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