Hey Everyone

For some very weird reason - probably a simple one - I can't get
Logic to control my XBase. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

All the best!

--- razoresc <razor@...> a écrit :
---------------------------------
Hey Everyone

For some very weird reason - probably a simple one - I
can't get
Logic to control my XBase. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

All the best!


Can you be more explicite ????  What is  your problem
???  SYNCH work????  TRIGGER PROBLEM???


ALX


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Hey ALX

I have the XBase set to pattern mode, and when I hit play on Logic I want
the XBase to sync to Logic.

All the best!

on 7/7/03 2:23 PM, ALX002 at alx002@... wrote:

--- razoresc <razor@...> a écrit :
---------------------------------
Hey Everyone

For some very weird reason - probably a simple one - I
can't get
Logic to control my XBase. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

All the best!


Can you be more explicite ????  What is  your problem
???  SYNCH work????  TRIGGER PROBLEM???


ALX


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----- Original Message -----

From: RaZoR

To: jomox@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:12 AM

Subject: Re: [jomox] Logic 6.1 & XBase 09

Hey ALX

I have the XBase set to pattern mode, and when I hit play on Logic I want
the XBase to sync to Logic.

All the best!

on 7/7/03 2:23 PM, ALX002 at alx002@... wrote:

--- razoresc <razor@...> a écrit :
---------------------------------
Hey Everyone

For some very weird reason - probably a simple one - I
can't get
Logic to control my XBase. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

All the best!


Can you be more explicite ????  What is  your problem
???  SYNCH work????  TRIGGER PROBLEM???


ALX


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itlld be nice if new users of this group were put in moderated mode by
default, untill theyve made a few posts that demonstrate that theyre not a
spammer.

j


----- Original Message -----
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To: <jomox@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [jomox] Watch me Finger Fuck myself!


> I suppose that the analog nature of your activity keeps this on topic?
>
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Hey Jeff

Finally found the problem, I had the midi out plugged in, and as soon as I
unplugged it, everything became perfect! Thanks for the help!

All the best!

on 7/7/03 9:27 PM, Jeff Storm at jeff@... wrote:

is the clock set to mid?

hit shift---> clock select (button 11) turn the tempo knob to mid
----- Original Message -----
From: RaZoR <mailto:razor@...>
To: jomox@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [jomox] Logic 6.1 & XBase 09

Hey ALX

I have the XBase set to pattern mode, and when I hit play on Logic I want
the XBase to sync to Logic.

All the best!

on 7/7/03 2:23 PM, ALX002 at alx002@... wrote:

--- razoresc <razor@...> a écrit :
---------------------------------
Hey Everyone

For some very weird reason - probably a simple one - I
can't get
Logic to control my XBase. Any help would be greatly
appreciated!

All the best!


Can you be more explicite ????  What is  your problem
???  SYNCH work????  TRIGGER PROBLEM???


ALX


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For those who are interested I propose you to listen a song
made LIVE with JOMOX GEAR's

go at :   http://vraux.free.Fr/JOMOX/Different%20WAY.mp3


Your impression  will be great for me
You can mail me what do you think about it

thanks

ALex  at alexcourrier@...

ps: The multi part on the vibrator  has to be updated :-)

I upgraded my sunsyn to the latest o/s 1.11 ( i know , finally !) and
I still have the exact same multimode bug as when I bought the synth
2 years ago . The one where 1 voice interferes with a another voice .
The one where you mute voice a and listen to only voice b , voice b
output will be "modulated" by voice a . I thought this was fixed and
if not is there any timeframe to do so ?

Apart from that 1.11 had much nicer midi behaviour including no more
dropped notes and very stable midi cc handling . I am running a
unitor 8 under cubase sx 1.01/win xp . The unitor 8 channel has most
midi data (such as sysex/mmc) except for notes and controllers
filtered .

Also I remembered again a big fat sunsyn patch with all voices in
unison is a truly wonderful thing .

Unfortunatly I (the owner of this group) lost control
of it during the switch from egroups to yahoo- so now
its just in limbo with nobody able to moderate it :(

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> Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [jomox] Watch me Finger Fuck myself!
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I think you maybe use intermodulation between voicecards?
If you choose VCO1 PV or VCO2 PV as modulation source in one of the multis,
they will naturally intermodulate. VCO1 PV means "previous voice" and is a
cyclic modulation link between all voice cards, means 1->2->3->....->8->1.
This is meant to make VERY strange and chaotic complex modulations that
change with every set of of keys and active voice cards.
If one multi uses this (purposefully strange) modulation source in one
routing element, voice 1 will always modulate voice 2 and so on. You can
only get rid of it by selecting VCO1 instead of VCO1 PV.
Check this out.


Best wishes,


Juergen Michaelis
CEO / R&D

JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
----------------www.jomox.de---------------------

Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de




> I upgraded my sunsyn to the latest o/s 1.11 ( i know , finally !) and
> I still have the exact same multimode bug as when I bought the synth
> 2 years ago . The one where 1 voice interferes with a another voice .
> The one where you mute voice a and listen to only voice b , voice b
> output will be "modulated" by voice a . I thought this was fixed and
> if not is there any timeframe to do so ?

> Apart from that 1.11 had much nicer midi behaviour including no more
> dropped notes and very stable midi cc handling . I am running a
> unitor 8 under cubase sx 1.01/win xp . The unitor 8 channel has most
> midi data (such as sysex/mmc) except for notes and controllers
> filtered .

> Also I remembered again a big fat sunsyn patch with all voices in
> unison is a truly wonderful thing .





> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

this problem happens on every preset patch I use . I setup a simple
multi from scratch with just 2 presets in it . This is the exact same
issue that has been talked about since I came onto this forum and was
discussed quite a bit a few months ago as many sunsyn users were
still experiencing it . Are you saying that this multi mode issue has
been fixed ?

--- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, Jomox GmbH Jürgen Michaelis <mich@j...>
wrote:
>
> I think you maybe use intermodulation between voicecards?
> If you choose VCO1 PV or VCO2 PV as modulation source in one of the
multis,
> they will naturally intermodulate. VCO1 PV means "previous voice"
and is a
> cyclic modulation link between all voice cards, means 1->2->3->....-
>8->1.
> This is meant to make VERY strange and chaotic complex modulations
that
> change with every set of of keys and active voice cards.
> If one multi uses this (purposefully strange) modulation source in
one
> routing element, voice 1 will always modulate voice 2 and so on.
You can
> only get rid of it by selecting VCO1 instead of VCO1 PV.
> Check this out.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
> Juergen Michaelis
> CEO / R&D
>
> JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
> Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
> 10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
> ----------------www.jomox.de---------------------
>
> Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de
>
>
>
>
> > I upgraded my sunsyn to the latest o/s 1.11 ( i know , finally !)
and
> > I still have the exact same multimode bug as when I bought the
synth
> > 2 years ago . The one where 1 voice interferes with a another
voice .
> > The one where you mute voice a and listen to only voice b , voice
b
> > output will be "modulated" by voice a . I thought this was fixed
and
> > if not is there any timeframe to do so ?
>
> > Apart from that 1.11 had much nicer midi behaviour including no
more
> > dropped notes and very stable midi cc handling . I am running a
> > unitor 8 under cubase sx 1.01/win xp . The unitor 8 channel has
most
> > midi data (such as sysex/mmc) except for notes and controllers
> > filtered .
>
> > Also I remembered again a big fat sunsyn patch with all voices in
> > unison is a truly wonderful thing .
>
>
>
>
>
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I just did a quick search and there was a large discussion on this
same multimode issue this year back in feb and again in may . Its
quite clear this still isnt working . There didn't seem to be an
official response from jomox during those discussions . So can we
have a clear one way or the other from jomox : Is there still
issues/bugs with multimode ?

This is about the only thing wrong with my sunsyn at the moment , I
cant emphisise how stable 1.11 is on my system now . Truly the sunsyn
is nearing its real potential , 8 way multi timbrality will truly
clinch the title for greatest modern analog polysynth IMO .

--- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_c_u" <d_j_c_u@y...> wrote:
> this problem happens on every preset patch I use . I setup a simple
> multi from scratch with just 2 presets in it . This is the exact
same
> issue that has been talked about since I came onto this forum and
was
> discussed quite a bit a few months ago as many sunsyn users were
> still experiencing it . Are you saying that this multi mode issue
has
> been fixed ?
>
> --- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, Jomox GmbH Jürgen Michaelis
<mich@j...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I think you maybe use intermodulation between voicecards?
> > If you choose VCO1 PV or VCO2 PV as modulation source in one of
the
> multis,
> > they will naturally intermodulate. VCO1 PV means "previous voice"
> and is a
> > cyclic modulation link between all voice cards, means 1->2->3-
>....-
> >8->1.
> > This is meant to make VERY strange and chaotic complex
modulations
> that
> > change with every set of of keys and active voice cards.
> > If one multi uses this (purposefully strange) modulation source
in
> one
> > routing element, voice 1 will always modulate voice 2 and so on.
> You can
> > only get rid of it by selecting VCO1 instead of VCO1 PV.
> > Check this out.
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> > Juergen Michaelis
> > CEO / R&D
> >
> > JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
> > Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
> > 10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
> > ----------------www.jomox.de---------------------
> >
> > Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > I upgraded my sunsyn to the latest o/s 1.11 ( i know ,
finally !)
> and
> > > I still have the exact same multimode bug as when I bought the
> synth
> > > 2 years ago . The one where 1 voice interferes with a another
> voice .
> > > The one where you mute voice a and listen to only voice b ,
voice
> b
> > > output will be "modulated" by voice a . I thought this was
fixed
> and
> > > if not is there any timeframe to do so ?
> >
> > > Apart from that 1.11 had much nicer midi behaviour including no
> more
> > > dropped notes and very stable midi cc handling . I am running a
> > > unitor 8 under cubase sx 1.01/win xp . The unitor 8 channel has
> most
> > > midi data (such as sysex/mmc) except for notes and controllers
> > > filtered .
> >
> > > Also I remembered again a big fat sunsyn patch with all voices
in
> > > unison is a truly wonderful thing .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

I don't experience intermodulation between multis if the presets are
properly programmed. What might be still annoying is some slight clicking if
one voice is "stolen" from an output due to dynamic voice allocation. We'll
change that by providing a fixed voice allocation in a future version. That
will make sure that eg. voice card 3,4,5 goes straight to output 2. Remember
that hardware envelopes have to be discharged when a new trigger with a
totally different sound setup for an indivdual voice is performed.
Unless you don't tell me if you use the modulation source that I explained
below, I can't tell you if it's wether a bug, a normal appearance or a
hardware fault. The description "modulation" can be everything.
If you use the purposefully implemented intermodulation between voicecards,
it is not a bug, wether wrong nor not working.
I just want to make sure that I know what you are talking about.

Best wishes,


Juergen Michaelis
CEO / R&D

JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
----------------www.jomox.de---------------------

Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de






> I just did a quick search and there was a large discussion on this
> same multimode issue this year back in feb and again in may . Its
> quite clear this still isnt working . There didn't seem to be an
> official response from jomox during those discussions . So can we
> have a clear one way or the other from jomox : Is there still
> issues/bugs with multimode ?

> This is about the only thing wrong with my sunsyn at the moment , I
> cant emphisise how stable 1.11 is on my system now . Truly the sunsyn
> is nearing its real potential , 8 way multi timbrality will truly
> clinch the title for greatest modern analog polysynth IMO .

> --- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, "d_j_c_u" <d_j_c_u@y...> wrote:
>> this problem happens on every preset patch I use . I setup a simple
>> multi from scratch with just 2 presets in it . This is the exact
> same
>> issue that has been talked about since I came onto this forum and
> was
>> discussed quite a bit a few months ago as many sunsyn users were
>> still experiencing it . Are you saying that this multi mode issue
> has
>> been fixed ?
>>
>> --- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, Jomox GmbH Juergen Michaelis
> <mich@j...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I think you maybe use intermodulation between voicecards?
>> > If you choose VCO1 PV or VCO2 PV as modulation source in one of
> the
>> multis,
>> > they will naturally intermodulate. VCO1 PV means "previous voice"
>> and is a
>> > cyclic modulation link between all voice cards, means 1->2->3-
>>....-
>> >8->1.
>> > This is meant to make VERY strange and chaotic complex
> modulations
>> that
>> > change with every set of of keys and active voice cards.
>> > If one multi uses this (purposefully strange) modulation source
> in
>> one
>> > routing element, voice 1 will always modulate voice 2 and so on.
>> You can
>> > only get rid of it by selecting VCO1 instead of VCO1 PV.
>> > Check this out.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> >
>> > Juergen Michaelis
>> > CEO / R&D
>> >
>> > JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
>> > Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
>> > 10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
>> > ----------------www.jomox.de---------------------
>> >
>> > Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > I upgraded my sunsyn to the latest o/s 1.11 ( i know ,
> finally !)
>> and
>> > > I still have the exact same multimode bug as when I bought the
>> synth
>> > > 2 years ago . The one where 1 voice interferes with a another
>> voice .
>> > > The one where you mute voice a and listen to only voice b ,
> voice
>> b
>> > > output will be "modulated" by voice a . I thought this was
> fixed
>> and
>> > > if not is there any timeframe to do so ?
>> >
>> > > Apart from that 1.11 had much nicer midi behaviour including no
>> more
>> > > dropped notes and very stable midi cc handling . I am running a
>> > > unitor 8 under cubase sx 1.01/win xp . The unitor 8 channel has
>> most
>> > > midi data (such as sysex/mmc) except for notes and controllers
>> > > filtered .
>> >
>> > > Also I remembered again a big fat sunsyn patch with all voices
> in
>> > > unison is a truly wonderful thing .
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/





> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

--- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, "Ulcer B. Pentacidis"
<pinebendernine@h...> wrote:
> I am fully positive it isn't the PV setting in the routing elements
>which makes my synth screwy.  I usually start fresh with blank
>patches since I lost all the factory patches long ago and cared not
>to redump them in.  Regardless of my programming, the thing just
>doesn't want to behave proper.  Say for instnace I set up a four
>part multi pattern.  If I play each of the four parts by themselves,
>they sound how  I mean them to sound.  As soon as I start playing
>more than one at a time, they become progressively more warped and
>bizzare, as if each voice modulates another

This is my exact problem . This is the exact problem that was
discussed 4 months ago , the exact same problem that was being
discussed 18 months ago when I first purchased my sunsyn . Look back
through the egroup messages ! Its gone from a confirmed bug , to a
bug which is supposedly fixed yet many users still have , which means
now they have possibly faulty sunsyn's ?

--- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, "Ulcer B. Pentacidis"
<pinebendernine@h...> wrote:
> Tough poop huh?  Well it was your fault for not figuring out that
>the sunsyn doesn't live up to its maker's boasts.  Mine too.  Deal
>with it or sell it is the only likely outcome of this I've come to
>believe.  I wonder what has happened to the other sunsyn owners on
>the forum?  Probably sold their units out of frustration.  I can't
>blame them.  I can't blame a person for holding on to theirs too.
>Mine is still a little too big and neat to give up.

I am getting quite happy with the state of the sunsyn , except for
this multimode issue . I just dont understand jurgens position of
claiming this bug is fixed when its obviously not . If it cant be
fixed just say so and we will all move on . If it can be fixed then
fix it ! Atleast acknowledge its a bug and its still not fixed !!!!
Last time this was brought up jurgen sent me private emails , which
seemed like he wanted to keep this issue out of this forum , which I
didnt realy understand . But it realy needs to be addressed ! Jurgen
is your official stand that this issue has been fixed ? I think we
have clearly defined the problem now and its obviously the same long
running issue with the sunsyn multimode but your last comment was "My
sunsyn does not have this problem" So does that mean officially jomox
is claiming there are no issues with multimode apart from envelope
cycling ? If so many are clearly still having the original multimode
bug so that is a difficult to understand claim .

Once again apart from this I am ok with the current state of the
sunsyn , I dont send it midi clock though . It would be nice to but I
can live with CC access to everything .

I wish some other sunsyn users would join in this discussion , is
anyone else out there ?

>All .I .really .use it for is hooking up to my big ass home stereo
>and eating mushrooms.  I freeze it up with a little midiclock in
>unison mode and just tweak on it till I get bored.  It really is a
>far out sounding synth, but so darn finnicky and unreliable.  Every
>once in a bit I use it for some musical apps, mostly wierd noises
>for samples and some loop patterns.  Oh sunyn, how I wish you worked
>proper.....

Its a wonderful synth , if jomox says multimode cant be fixed . I
will move on with my life and enjoy a wonderful 8 voice SINGLE PART
analog polysynth . I realise that will hurt jomox's ability to
promote the sunsyn so I doubt we will ever see that happening . If it
takes another 2 years to fix then so be it , I will wait . I just
want a clear honest answer .

HO HE HAAAAAAA
Sunsyn 's users are getting furious???
I agree with them.
Since I have my sunsyn  , I never could to make the multimode
work. I use it  in SINGLE mode :-(.
I tried one more time yesterday to create a multipart preset: I
initialized patch 62 then  created 4  midi tracks. On each track I
played :  Part 1   a pad sound ; part 2 = pad sound n°2, part 3= FX
sound; part4=  a bass ligne
I don't understand  what happened yesterday but my sunsyn
perferctly reproduced  all my sound's ??!!!?????!!!!
It is very strange!!!!!!!!

I have to test this mode one more time.

Whishes For the next update:
- miltimode voice allocation fixe
- Arpegiator
-Possibility to choose the pitch bend Range (the pitch bend up
and down have not the same range!!!)
- I really want a true mono mode with first note glide priority
mode like all the other SYNTH

Alx

I 'm sorry to inform you  that the dyn sync on the XBASE is bad
implemented. It is a pity  for an analog DRum Box that can't sync
the great TR's.

I love JOMOX gear's but you should (jomox) have tested the sync
dyn before to sell your BOX.

Jomox  says us to use XBASE in master mode to have a higher
resolution step for its sequencer (48 ppq). But in MASTER MODE
the xbase  doesn't send a good SYNC DYN: Te TR's or TB303
lost sync after 1 minute
I tested IT for one year and this is A REAL BUG

The only way to correctly sync a TR or TB  is to  put XBASE in
slave mode with a sequencer: then it works good with a lower
resolution for the sequencer(24ppq).

BUt how can I do on stage performance without Computer and
midi BOx???? I have to buy a MIDI to dyn BOX which uses Te
XBASE MIDI out port

Is it possible to correct this bug????? To make the dynsync full
working for slave and master MOde????

Thanks for all

Alx

--- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, "alx002" <alx002@y...> wrote:
> HO HE HAAAAAAA
> Sunsyn 's users are getting furious???
> I agree with them.
> Since I have my sunsyn  , I never could to make the multimode
> work. I use it  in SINGLE mode :-(.
> I tried one more time yesterday to create a multipart preset: I
> initialized patch 62 then  created 4  midi tracks. On each track I
> played :  Part 1   a pad sound ; part 2 = pad sound n°2, part 3= FX
> sound; part4=  a bass ligne
> I don't understand  what happened yesterday but my sunsyn
> perferctly reproduced  all my sound's ??!!!?????!!!!
> It is very strange!!!!!!!!
>
> I have to test this mode one more time.

I setup a another multi for a test last night and at first I thought
the same thing . intervoice distortion is now fairly mild in the
terms that it used to be all voices became unrecognisable . HOWEVER
on very close inspection , with one voice on my mixer solo'd and all
other voices muted , when each muted voice was added the solo'd voice
became slightly changed each time . But you had to solo the voice and
listen CAREFULLY . This problem is much reduced from the original
bug , but still multimode does not work properly . Some patches
modulate each other worse than others , some seem to play almost
perfectly .

I will post a mp3 of my results with details on what I did , as they
were all factory presets (with NO intervoice mod routings , I triple
checked them all) other sunsyn users could test to see the same
problem .

>
> Whishes For the next update:
> - miltimode voice allocation fixe
> - Arpegiator
> -Possibility to choose the pitch bend Range (the pitch bend up
> and down have not the same range!!!)
> - I really want a true mono mode with first note glide priority
> mode like all the other SYNTH
>
> Alx

--- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, "Ulcer B. Pentacidis"
<pinebendernine@h...> wrote:
> Indeed, I sure would like a straight forward answer as well, but
>will it ever come?  Even if Jeurgen were to say the sunsyn is fucked
>and will always be a single part synth, I wouldn't take it too
>hard.  I've had years now to come to grips with it's shortfallings
> as a multisynth.  Its all about resolution jomox, so let us
>know.
>(and fix the midiclock for MPCs yo, cuz I just aint feeling
>computer >sequencing you know)

I think thats all any sunsyn user is after , some sort of final
answer on this bug , even if its wait for a couple more years ,
anything is better than nothing . However I am hopefull it can be
fixed , the bug is definetly better than it used to be , some patches
seem to not exhibit the problem at all , or at least only very
slightly .

>Also, I wonder if there is anyone out there besides Jomox who could
>determine whats up with the sunsyn.  Maybe another analog/digital ?
>synth master?  Anybody seen the DS evolver?

evolver is only a single part synth , most single part digitally
controlled synths dont seem to have much problems . Only modern
multitimbral synth similar to the sunsyn is the omega-8 and last time
I checked their multimode wasnt working fully either .

So am willing to cut jomox a lot of slack on what is a difficult
issue , but please be straight with us !

> --- In jomox@yahoogroups.com, "Ulcer B. Pentacidis"
> <pinebendernine@h...> wrote:
>> Tough poop huh?  Well it was your fault for not figuring out that
>>the sunsyn doesn't live up to its maker's boasts.  Mine too.  Deal
>>with it or sell it is the only likely outcome of this I've come to
>>believe.  I wonder what has happened to the other sunsyn owners on
>>the forum?  Probably sold their units out of frustration.  I can't
>>blame them.  I can't blame a person for holding on to theirs too.
>>Mine is still a little too big and neat to give up.

> I am getting quite happy with the state of the sunsyn , except for
> this multimode issue . I just dont understand jurgens position of
> claiming this bug is fixed when its obviously not . If it cant be
> fixed just say so and we will all move on . If it can be fixed then
> fix it ! Atleast acknowledge its a bug and its still not fixed !!!!

Well, I would admit if it is not possible. IT IS ALMOST NOT POSSIBLE. But
still I don't know what the true issue is. Is it the LFO updating with
complex modulations,or  is it gap the CV multiplexing updating,....there are
millions of possibilities. An audio sample would help, indeed!!!! I STILL
DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
Let me just say that implementing multimode in the SunSyn is A HORRIBLE
act!!!! 4 processors do their work in this machine, and the power of the
main cpu is limited, admittedly. Plus the analog envelopes and the lag of
analog hardware. It is no fun, believe me...
If it were my private synth, I would give the multimode a sh**, honestly. I
never use it, and I have been recording really nice tracks with it in single
mode. We have such powerful recording tools today, so why use this rubbish
multimode in a vintage synth? Only for live performance I would give it a
chance.

In the beginning of SunSyn I have been persuaded a bit by my colleagues to
do the multimode fully with all output options and so on - a synth of today
MUST have it all, that was the challenge. But it's an analog synth, not a
digital - this makes it much more complicated and sophisticated. Today, I
would not do this again. The Omega 8 example shows me that it is just a
nightmare to get it all 100% working, and I'm not the only loser in the
world;-) The prophet-5 and the MemoryMoog and the PPG multimode had not
worked properly either. Multimode is always delayed (also with other synths)
and you have the 8-fold response time since ALL parameters, set ups and CV's
have to be updated for each note trigger from memory. This makes it all
lagged. The LFO updating is once more a huge problem, since the data
transfer is longer than the maximum trigger latency. Message queues have to
be made, and midi clock (famous lfo sync) signals have to be distributed in
realtime though...if I had the income of a NASA engineer, I would not
whine...but it's the same job like getting a rocket to fly.
(mission to sun??)

So don't use unisono together with midi clock sync to LFO...could be the
same problem.

Ok, I'll be back to SunSyn work soon. But I had 3 months of hard time.
Moving with my home, moving with my studio, restructuring the whole jomox
company, releasing employees (is that honest enough?) to keep the boat
swimming. Otherwise you could wait forever to get beloved SunSyn OS
fixed...I think I did right to vote for the first option.

All of the past 5 months I have maybe written 10 lines of code for SunSyn. I
am totally aware that there are many jobs to be done still. Multimode is one
of the jobs. I'll check on your many times repeated "multimode bug" and find
out what the issue is. Perhaps I can improve it a bit. But I'm not sure if I
ever can claim this multimode to be 100% working from your side of view.
Depends on what it is.

IMHO, the SunSyn is worth every penny and cent even without multimode. It's
a synthesizer with a great sound, and the multimode is like an electric
window lifter...something that is nice to have but not really essential.

Other than that, please have fun on using the SunSyn for what it was
intended for ...sounds and music!


Cheers,


Juergen Michaelis
CEO / R&D

JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
----------------www.jomox.de---------------------

Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de








> Last time this was brought up jurgen sent me private emails , which
> seemed like he wanted to keep this issue out of this forum , which I
> didnt realy understand . But it realy needs to be addressed ! Jurgen
> is your official stand that this issue has been fixed ? I think we
> have clearly defined the problem now and its obviously the same long
> running issue with the sunsyn multimode but your last comment was "My
> sunsyn does not have this problem" So does that mean officially jomox
> is claiming there are no issues with multimode apart from envelope
> cycling ? If so many are clearly still having the original multimode
> bug so that is a difficult to understand claim .

> Once again apart from this I am ok with the current state of the
> sunsyn , I dont send it midi clock though . It would be nice to but I
> can live with CC access to everything .

> I wish some other sunsyn users would join in this discussion , is
> anyone else out there ?

>>All .I .really .use it for is hooking up to my big ass home stereo
>>and eating mushrooms.  I freeze it up with a little midiclock in
>>unison mode and just tweak on it till I get bored.  It really is a
>>far out sounding synth, but so darn finnicky and unreliable.  Every
>>once in a bit I use it for some musical apps, mostly wierd noises
>>for samples and some loop patterns.  Oh sunyn, how I wish you worked
>>proper.....

> Its a wonderful synth , if jomox says multimode cant be fixed . I
> will move on with my life and enjoy a wonderful 8 voice SINGLE PART
> analog polysynth . I realise that will hurt jomox's ability to
> promote the sunsyn so I doubt we will ever see that happening . If it
> takes another 2 years to fix then so be it , I will wait . I just
> want a clear honest answer .





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How come the output on the Mbase is not Balanced like SunSyn an doesnt have 1/4'
jack???

RCA connector what is this thing aimed at? pluging in to the back of a hi fi or
something??

I wanna hot balanced connection to go thru my compressors :-((((

I don't recall seeing an RCA jack on the units that were displayed at
NAMM, but I do see that the jomox.de site is a bit unclear, saying
"1/4" RCA jack".  I think that the RCA thing might be a mistake...I had
thought it was a 1/4" jack...

John Van Nest


On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 04:41 PM, drayon6 wrote:

> How come the output on the Mbase is not Balanced like SunSyn an doesnt
> have 1/4'
> jack???
>
> RCA connector what is this thing aimed at? pluging in to the back of a
> hi fi or
> something??
>
> I wanna hot balanced connection to go thru my compressors :-((((
>
>
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>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

> Well, I would admit if it is not possible. IT IS ALMOST NOT
POSSIBLE. But
> still I don't know what the true issue is. Is it the LFO updating
with
> complex modulations,or  is it gap the CV multiplexing
updating,....there are
> millions of possibilities. An audio sample would help, indeed!!!! I
STILL
> DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

im away from my studio for a week but as soon as I return I will bost
a clip , its on my hdd ready to go . Essentially its a 4 part multi
with only 1 part audible . As the other parts are unmuted the part
you can hear slightly changes as each new part is added . Not as much
as before os1.11 but there is an audible difference each time .

> Let me just say that implementing multimode in the SunSyn is A
HORRIBLE
> act!!!! 4 processors do their work in this machine, and the power
of the
> main cpu is limited, admittedly. Plus the analog envelopes and the
lag of
> analog hardware. It is no fun, believe me...
> If it were my private synth, I would give the multimode a sh**,
honestly. I
> never use it, and I have been recording really nice tracks with it
in single
> mode. We have such powerful recording tools today, so why use this
rubbish
> multimode in a vintage synth? Only for live performance I would
give it a
> chance.

> In the beginning of SunSyn I have been persuaded a bit by my
colleagues to
> do the multimode fully with all output options and so on - a synth
of today
> MUST have it all, that was the challenge. But it's an analog synth,
not a
> digital - this makes it much more complicated and sophisticated.
Today, I
> would not do this again. The Omega 8 example shows me that it is
just a
> nightmare to get it all 100% working, and I'm not the only loser in
the
> world;-) The prophet-5 and the MemoryMoog and the PPG multimode had
not
> worked properly either. Multimode is always delayed (also with
other synths)
> and you have the 8-fold response time since ALL parameters, set ups
and CV's
> have to be updated for each note trigger from memory. This makes it
all
> lagged. The LFO updating is once more a huge problem, since the data
> transfer is longer than the maximum trigger latency. Message queues
have to
> be made, and midi clock (famous lfo sync) signals have to be
distributed in
> realtime though...if I had the income of a NASA engineer, I would
not
> whine...but it's the same job like getting a rocket to fly.
> (mission to sun??)

I totally understand that multimode on a digitally controlled analog
synth like this is EXTREMELY difficult , but jomox did market and
claim that it did it , its got 8 outs on the back specifically for
it . It would be a terrible shame to drop multimode now . I wont sell
the synth if multi never works , its far to good to do that . But I
would be interested in running 8 part layerd mega patches (apart from
8 individual sequenced parts) similar to what you would do with a
modern digital synth , rompler type thing . Unfortunately recorders
and samplers may not be avaliable to do that type of thing ,
particularly in live situations or in early production phases where
things are kept non-linear and not recorded .


> So don't use unisono together with midi clock sync to LFO...could
be the
> same problem.
>
> Ok, I'll be back to SunSyn work soon. But I had 3 months of hard
time.
> Moving with my home, moving with my studio, restructuring the whole
jomox
> company, releasing employees (is that honest enough?) to keep the
boat
> swimming. Otherwise you could wait forever to get beloved SunSyn OS
> fixed...I think I did right to vote for the first option.
>
> All of the past 5 months I have maybe written 10 lines of code for
SunSyn. I
> am totally aware that there are many jobs to be done still.
Multimode is one
> of the jobs. I'll check on your many times repeated "multimode bug"
and find
> out what the issue is. Perhaps I can improve it a bit. But I'm not
sure if I
> ever can claim this multimode to be 100% working from your side of
view.
> Depends on what it is.

All I want is the sunsyn to play 8 patches , audibly identically to
playing a single mono patch , at the same time . Cant be that hard .

> IMHO, the SunSyn is worth every penny and cent even without
multimode. It's
> a synthesizer with a great sound, and the multimode is like an
electric
> window lifter...something that is nice to have but not really
essential.
>
> Other than that, please have fun on using the SunSyn for what it was
> intended for ...sounds and music!

I do and will , infact the sheer sonic power of the sunsyn has forced
me to buy other jomox products , it just sounds that good ! Now if
the os can truly be finished it will be probably the greatest analog
synth of all time .

And thanks for the honest reply to clear things up .

Hi,

thanks for your reply. Yes, I think some improvements are possible, and I'm
pretty confident that with fixed voice allocation we'll get rid of those
annoying artifacts.
Again, thanks for your patience and trust in my creations. This must be
honored at this point, as well. I know, it's been a dusty road to get this
thing running, and we've not reached the goal yet. I'll do my best...

Juergen Michaelis
CEO / R&D

JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
----------------www.jomox.de---------------------

Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de




>> Well, I would admit if it is not possible. IT IS ALMOST NOT
> POSSIBLE. But
>> still I don't know what the true issue is. Is it the LFO updating
> with
>> complex modulations,or  is it gap the CV multiplexing
> updating,....there are
>> millions of possibilities. An audio sample would help, indeed!!!! I
> STILL
>> DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

> im away from my studio for a week but as soon as I return I will bost
> a clip , its on my hdd ready to go . Essentially its a 4 part multi
> with only 1 part audible . As the other parts are unmuted the part
> you can hear slightly changes as each new part is added . Not as much
> as before os1.11 but there is an audible difference each time .

>> Let me just say that implementing multimode in the SunSyn is A
> HORRIBLE
>> act!!!! 4 processors do their work in this machine, and the power
> of the
>> main cpu is limited, admittedly. Plus the analog envelopes and the
> lag of
>> analog hardware. It is no fun, believe me...
>> If it were my private synth, I would give the multimode a sh**,
> honestly. I
>> never use it, and I have been recording really nice tracks with it
> in single
>> mode. We have such powerful recording tools today, so why use this
> rubbish
>> multimode in a vintage synth? Only for live performance I would
> give it a
>> chance.

>> In the beginning of SunSyn I have been persuaded a bit by my
> colleagues to
>> do the multimode fully with all output options and so on - a synth
> of today
>> MUST have it all, that was the challenge. But it's an analog synth,
> not a
>> digital - this makes it much more complicated and sophisticated.
> Today, I
>> would not do this again. The Omega 8 example shows me that it is
> just a
>> nightmare to get it all 100% working, and I'm not the only loser in
> the
>> world;-) The prophet-5 and the MemoryMoog and the PPG multimode had
> not
>> worked properly either. Multimode is always delayed (also with
> other synths)
>> and you have the 8-fold response time since ALL parameters, set ups
> and CV's
>> have to be updated for each note trigger from memory. This makes it
> all
>> lagged. The LFO updating is once more a huge problem, since the data
>> transfer is longer than the maximum trigger latency. Message queues
> have to
>> be made, and midi clock (famous lfo sync) signals have to be
> distributed in
>> realtime though...if I had the income of a NASA engineer, I would
> not
>> whine...but it's the same job like getting a rocket to fly.
>> (mission to sun??)

> I totally understand that multimode on a digitally controlled analog
> synth like this is EXTREMELY difficult , but jomox did market and
> claim that it did it , its got 8 outs on the back specifically for
> it . It would be a terrible shame to drop multimode now . I wont sell
> the synth if multi never works , its far to good to do that . But I
> would be interested in running 8 part layerd mega patches (apart from
> 8 individual sequenced parts) similar to what you would do with a
> modern digital synth , rompler type thing . Unfortunately recorders
> and samplers may not be avaliable to do that type of thing ,
> particularly in live situations or in early production phases where
> things are kept non-linear and not recorded .


>> So don't use unisono together with midi clock sync to LFO...could
> be the
>> same problem.
>>
>> Ok, I'll be back to SunSyn work soon. But I had 3 months of hard
> time.
>> Moving with my home, moving with my studio, restructuring the whole
> jomox
>> company, releasing employees (is that honest enough?) to keep the
> boat
>> swimming. Otherwise you could wait forever to get beloved SunSyn OS
>> fixed...I think I did right to vote for the first option.
>>
>> All of the past 5 months I have maybe written 10 lines of code for
> SunSyn. I
>> am totally aware that there are many jobs to be done still.
> Multimode is one
>> of the jobs. I'll check on your many times repeated "multimode bug"
> and find
>> out what the issue is. Perhaps I can improve it a bit. But I'm not
> sure if I
>> ever can claim this multimode to be 100% working from your side of
> view.
>> Depends on what it is.

> All I want is the sunsyn to play 8 patches , audibly identically to
> playing a single mono patch , at the same time . Cant be that hard .

>> IMHO, the SunSyn is worth every penny and cent even without
> multimode. It's
>> a synthesizer with a great sound, and the multimode is like an
> electric
>> window lifter...something that is nice to have but not really
> essential.
>>
>> Other than that, please have fun on using the SunSyn for what it was
>> intended for ...sounds and music!

> I do and will , infact the sheer sonic power of the sunsyn has forced
> me to buy other jomox products , it just sounds that good ! Now if
> the os can truly be finished it will be probably the greatest analog
> synth of all time .

> And thanks for the honest reply to clear things up .





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The MBase is not balanced. We didn't know that american audio people say RCA
for 1/4 inch balanced(?). I think RCA is for the 3 pin pro audio balanced
type...if so, we have to correct this text, sorry. On SunSyn we use 1/4 inch
stereo jacks with balanced wiring.
Well, you can drive the compressor unbalanced, as well:) OK, our target
customers for the MBase are more homerecording and DJ people.
But I can assure you that it sounds big though...XBase and AirBase/JaZBase
are also unbalanced, by the way.


Juergen Michaelis
CEO / R&D

JoMoX Elektronische Musikinstrumente GmbH
Koertestr. 10               fon: +49(0)30/61702573
10967 Berlin Germany       fax: +49(0)30/61702574
----------------www.jomox.de---------------------

Michaelis Hardwaredesign        www.jayemsonic.de



> I don't recall seeing an RCA jack on the units that were displayed at
> NAMM, but I do see that the jomox.de site is a bit unclear, saying
> "1/4" RCA jack".  I think that the RCA thing might be a mistake...I had
> thought it was a 1/4" jack...

> John Van Nest


> On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 04:41 PM, drayon6 wrote:

>> How come the output on the Mbase is not Balanced like SunSyn an doesnt
>> have 1/4'
>> jack???
>>
>> RCA connector what is this thing aimed at? pluging in to the back of a
>> hi fi or
>> something??
>>
>> I wanna hot balanced connection to go thru my compressors :-((((
>>
>>
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> I don't recall seeing an RCA jack on the units that were displayed at
> NAMM, but I do see that the jomox.de site is a bit unclear, saying
> "1/4" RCA jack".  I think that the RCA thing might be a mistake...I
> had thought it was a 1/4" jack...


> John Van Nest



> On Thursday, July 17, 2003, at 04:41 PM, drayon6 wrote:


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> RCA connector what is this thing aimed at? pluging in to the back of a
> hi fi or

> something??


> I wanna hot balanced connection to go thru my compressors :-((((



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