That's how I discovered kargyraa. Some people can do khoomei first and well but
struggle with kargyraa. They are khoomei people. For the kargyraa people it is
opposite. They just belt out kargyraa yet can't seem to put a finger on
khoomei. They're kargyraa people. Eventually with practice a singer can do
both with ease, but that takes quite awhile.




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From: Markus Magyar <bro_markus@...>
To: khoomei@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2009 9:55:01 PM
Subject: [KHOOMEI] Re: the Kargyraa sound//Kargyraa sore throat...


Let me try to clear things up a little better with this,
One day I was doing some khoomei and I was trying to do some lower notes when
all of a sudden a kargyraa sound came out. I really wasn't attempting to do
kargyraa but a kargyraa sound came out. In the past I was trying all of these
different ways to make kargyraa sound but it wasn't happening right. So when
making the kargyraa sound I was figuring out how I did it and yes it does come
from making a huh sound and feeling it in your chest. Still takes me a little
while to warm up before attempting to do kargyraa and starting with a fry with
mouth closed usually works for me. Now I'm just trying to hold a kargyraa note
longer and then add harmonics. This comes with more practice.
Just glad that I can make that kargyraa sound for now.

To those that have posted,
Thanks for the help.

Mark Magyar


--- On Sun, 4/5/09, John Schucker <gwynn@...> wrote:

From: John Schucker <gwynn@...>
Subject: Re: [KHOOMEI] Kargyraa sore throat...
To: khoomei@yahoogroups .com
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:42 PM

I still get a sore throat sometimes if I'm working on higher pitched

kargyraa, but it's really important, because there are a lot of ways to

get a kargyraa kind of sound actually, to get that good chesty rumble.

Basically what you want to do is sort of go "huh" from your diaphragm

and you should get that sort of rattly sound from just breathing out.

That's how I know I'm engaging the right stuff when I haven't practiced

for a while. Steve's lessons as always are invaluable here. With

things like khoomei and flute and such, people keep telling you to

breathe from the diaphragm because it's amazingly easy to stop doing it

and not realize it, or to never start doing it and think you have been

all along. So breathing is really a big key.

Markus Magyar wrote:

> Kargyraa

> It took me a while get a decent enough grrr lion sound in order to be able to
do kargyraa consistently.

> I’ve been at kargyraa for about maybe 5 days and it takes me awhile to warm
up to be able to do kargyraa .

> I’m going to try to not press myself so hard in trying to accomplish
kargyraa. “All good things in moderation.” My throat gets slightly sore
sometimes after practicing but I’m thinking that it’s normal for this to
happen when beginning kargyraa.

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

> The following from Steve Sklar: http://khoomei. com/forum/ viewtopic.
php?f=1&t= 1060#p6494

> Why do most beginners feel something "not good" in the throat when learning
kargyraa? Here's my theory in a sort of cartoon-y fashion (I welcome any input
from all our neuro-physiologist members):

>

> Somewhere in the brain, there is a body-mapping center. It is in charge of
analyzing incoming signals from various parts of the body, so that we know our
left big toe from our right earlobe, etc. Now, when we begin singing kargyraa,
we start sending a signal from the larynx in the region of the ventricular
folds. Up there in the mapping mission control room, the little neuron-folks
notice this incoming signal. Hmmm... a red light is flashing...the buzzer is
blaring... it's labeled "Sector 252 b." The head neuron there asks, "anyone know
what sector 252 b is? We're not use to receiving data from there. No response
from the neuro-underlings. So the boss directs the underlings to fetch the
manual...

>

> The neuro-underling responsible for the throat looks it up and reports that
Sector 252 b is something called "the venrtricular folds." Hmmm... anyone know
what that could mean? There's no consensus, being a new phenomenon. "Well," says
the chief, "what else does it say?"

>

> "It says that an incoming signal may indicate some sort of debris has entered
the larynx."

>

> "Well, we don't want anything getting into the lungs, so send the cough
command."

>

> "Right away, boss!" And we cough.

>

> "Scan indicates all clear, boss. But we're still getting signal."

>

> "Hmmm," says the neuron-in-charge, there's probably no major threat, but we'd
better enter something into the log. What should we classify it as?"

>

> "I think it's a tickle, cheif" says one worker. "Maybe a slight pain or
irritation" says another. "Or a tickle?" suggests another, and so on...

>

> "Well," replies the boss, "let's just keep an eye on it and see what
develops."

>

> So, we continue to practice our kargyraa, all the while the good folks at body
mapping central monitoring, noting a scratchiness here and a tickle there.

>

> After a few days, the boss tires of the signal, orders the red flashing light
and the buzzer disconnected, and their attention returns to their old routines,
the ventricular folds largely forgotten (until you stop practicing for an
extended period, then begin anew…

>

> Hope this helps,

> Steve Sklar

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> Giving Thanks,

> Mark Magyar

>






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