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>From: "Bill Brumbaugh" <proactive@...>
>Reply-To: "Bill Brumbaugh" <proactive@...>
>To: "Proactivelist" <proactivelist@...>
>Subject: Your a bit late: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse---unless you
>are a police officer."
>Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 21:20:35 -0700
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>I can't verify all these shootings except the one in the tank as I saw it
>on TV but I trust Rick Stanley not to make up stories.
>
>Doug
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>MEDIA RELEASE: Your a bit late: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse---unless
>you are a police officer."
>
>Your a bit late....
>
>Up in Jerome, Idaho, a local police officer stopped his car and waded into
>a group of cowboys sitting in the shade drinking cold beer because one of
>them called the cop a 'f--king pig'. The cop started the fight, then, when
>he was getting his clock cleaned, pulled out his piece and shot the guy in
>the head twice.
>
>Justifiable Homicide
>
>Riverside County, CA: A CA Highway Patrol officer (female - 15 year
>veteran) received a report of a pedestrian on a freeway. She drove to the
>area and spotted the pedestrian walking towards her, pulled her patrol car
>over onto the shoulder, then got out and waited as the guy walked her way.
>According to the officer's own testimony, he was naked except for a blanket
>he was holding around himself with both hands and had no weapons. She
>testified that he had a glassy-eyed stare and didn't seem to recognize
>anything. She waited till he got fairly close to her, then ordered him to
>stop walking towards her along the freeway shoulder. He showed no signs of
>hearing or comprehending her order. As he started to walk on by her, she
>maced him in the eyes. At that point, he screamed and lunged at her and she
>shot and killed him. She "feared for her safety".
>
>Justifiable Homicide
>
>In Los Angeles, two LAPD bicycle patrol officers stopped, got off their
>bikes, and asked an elderly, homeless, mentally ill woman where she had
>stolen the old grocery cart she pushed around all the time. She lived on
>the streets and carried an old screwdriver in a shopping bag resting in the
>child seat. She pulled out the screwdriver, waved it in the air, and told
>them to go away and leave her alone. Witnesses said both officers were on
>the opposite side of the cart, at least ten feet away at the time. They
>pulled their guns and shot the woman to death. Both were young, physically
>fit. They "feared for their safety".
>
>Justifiable Homicide.
>
>San Diego, CA. A drunk, former Army tank officer stole a CA National Guard
>tank, drove it over numerous parked cars, knocked down some street lights
>and traffic signals, then drove up onto a local freeway. The police had
>already blocked the freeway and cleared traffic from it in anticipation of
>this. Attempting to climb over the heavy, re-enforced concrete center
>barrier, the tank lost a track and became stranded, unable to move.
>Overhead, the San Diego Police helicopter was flying and the
>officer/observer radioed to the ground that they "had" the guy... that he
>could not go anyplace. Two minutes later, officers rushed the tank, climbed
>up, opened the hatch and shot the guy inside to death, even though he was
>unarmed. They "feared for the safety of themselves and the general public".
>
>Justifiable Homicide.
>
>Norco, Riverside County, CA. The mother of a 30-something old,
>paranoid/schitzo son, called the Norco Police to ask for help. Her son had
>forgotten to take his medicine and was a bit unruly. Officers had assisted
>her before with no problems. The Riverside Sheriff's unit (contracted as
>Norco PD) pulled across the street on the wrong side, stopping their car at
>about a 45 degree angle in front of the lawn of the home. The son had come
>out on the porch to see what was going on at the sound of the police siren.
>He was carrying a pencil in his hand. The officers opened their doors,
>emerged with guns drawn, hid behind the doors, pointed their guns at the
>son and told him to drop the pencil. When he stepped off the porch, still
>at least 30 feet away from the officers, not comprehending what they were
>talking about, they shot and killed him. They "feared for their safety".
>
>Justifiable Homicide.
>
>Los Angeles. LAPD officers accosted a man in a supermarket with an ink pen
>in his hand. When they ordered him to drop the ink pen and he did not, they
>shot and killed him. They "feared for their safety."
>
>Justifiable Homicide
>
>Los Angeles. A relatively new officer chased a man in a pickup truck. They
>got bogged down in heavy traffic on a surface street passing under a
>freeway. The man in the pickup tried to force his way through the traffic,
>lost control, spun the pickup around 90 degrees and rammed it into the
>concrete wall supporting the overhead freeway, badly damaging and disabling
>the pickup truck. The fan was through the radiator, engine smoking, water
>running out, and the truck immobile. The officer ran up and shot the driver
>in the head, killing him instantly. He "feared for his safety and that of
>the public, should the 'suspect' be able to move the pickup." (Ever wonder
>why not shoot out the tires?)
>
>Justifiable Homicide
>
>Westminster, CA. An elderly Vietnamese man did not stop for a police car
>with siren and red lights operating (In Vietnam, they are deathly afraid of
>the police). Local police followed him at slow speed, set up a trap, forced
>him into a parking lot, then, into a parking space. A police car pulled
>across the rear of the parking space after the man had pulled into it. The
>front of the space had the usual concrete wheel stops, then a curb forming
>a roughly 24" wide planter. The otherside of the planter was a 3' concrete
>walkway along the wall of a large commercial building. There was no place
>for the Vietnamese man to go in his car. The man backed up against the door
>of the police car blocking him in the space, at a slow speed, several
>times. Meanwhile, police officers on foot rushed his car as he backed up
>the three feet or so and shot him through the windshield and driver's
>window, killing him instantly. They "feared for their safety."
>
>Justifiable Homicide
>
>Tucson, AZ. Pima County Sheriff's deputies received a call of a domestic
>dispute in a trailer park. They were back-logged and didn't arrive at the
>site for an hour and a half. When they arrived, the lights were off
>(It was about midnight) and the place was quiet. Deputies banged on the
>door and when the man came to answer, wearing a bathrobe and slippers. He
>admitted that he and his wife had some loud words earlier but had made up
>and gone to bed. The deputies then forced their way into the home,
>demanding to talk to the guy's wife. They had NO probable cause or search
>warrant. No crime had been committed in their presence. This was a large,
>double-wide home with a living room full width of
>28'. The owner walked back into the kitchen, very unhappy at the cops
>forcing their way into his home. He picked up a steak knife laying on the
>sink board and waved it up and down, telling the deputies they had no
>business forcing their way into his home. From at least 15 feet away, they
>both shot the man, killing him. They "feared for their safety."
>
>Justifiable Homicide.
>
>The police are committing murder on a near-daily basis... probably daily,
>if we knew about all the cases across the country, and doing it with
>impunity. a
>
>What ever happened to "reasonable force"? When I was a reserve cop years
>ago, on my worst day, if I couldn't deal with an elderly bag lady with a
>screwdriver without hurting her and myself, I would have turned in the
>badge and hung my head in shame.
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Tango" <Tango@... To:
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>6:30 PM Subject: Fw: MEDIA RELEASE: "Ignorance of the law is no
>excuse---unless you are a police officer."
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>----- Original Message ----- From: <rick@... To:
><Webmaster@... Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:32 AM
>Subject: MEDIA RELEASE: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse---unless you are
>a police officer."
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>MEDIA RELEASE: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse---unless you are a police
>officer."
>
>STANLEY NOTE: EVERYTHING behind the scenes in America is wrong, "if the
>government has ANYTHING to do with it". The great lie of freedom and
>liberty continues in the Police State of America.
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>Subject: "Ignorance of the law is no excuse---unless you are a police
>officer."
>
>Two disturbing developments From Grits for Breakfast
>
>For a while now the missus has subscribed to About. com's
><http://civilliberty.about.com/civil liberties newsletter edited by
><http://civilliberty.about.com/mbiopage.htmAndrew Somers, and she forwards
>me two interesting items from it today.
>
>First, a <http://glclk.about.com/?zi=15/SB6report on an unfortunate, recent
>U. S. Supreme Court decision, Haugen v. Brousseau. Have you heard the
>phrase, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse"? Well, the Supremes have added
>the addendum, "unless you are a police officer." I started to blog on this
>
><http://civilliberty.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?
>site=http://www.valley star. com/editorial%5Fmore.
>php%3Fid=56070%5F0%5F28%5F0%5FMwhen the decision came out and didn't get to
>it, but as I understand the
>
><http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/13dec20041215/www.supremecourtus.go
>v/opinions/04pdf/03-1261. pdfsummary reversal (pdf), now, individuals can't
>recover damages even when an officer's actions were unconstitutional,
>because the officer might not know his or her actions were
>unconstitutional. What a crock.
>
>The Volokh Conspiracy sympathetically summarizes the case
><http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2004_12_07.shtml#1102971263here, while
><http://www.overlawyered.com/archives/001803.htmlOverlawyered finds the
>overturned ruling "criminal friendly," and the 9th Circuit "zany" for
>making it. My question, then: What level of training on use of force must
>an officer have before he or she may be held liable for shooting an unarmed
>suspect in the back? The Supremes' majority certainly did not deign to tell
>us. The implied answer is "never."
>
>The second piece links to items related to the
><http://glclk.about.com/?zi=15/SB8debate over a national ID card, and the
>extent to which the new Intelligence bill moves us in that direction. See
>Grits discussion of the new Intelligence bill in light of Texas-specific
>initiatives
>
><http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2004/12/whither-texas-on-biometrics-a
>fter. htmlhere.
>
>You can subscribe to About. com's civil liberties newsletter
><http://civilliberty.about.com/here; just scroll down and look in the left
>hand column.
>
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