dogmatech, sam: well put!

chipmusic will not die. i dont think that any music genre can actually die.
every music genre will allways have its followers and offsprings.
Just look at the metalscene, how many times have it not been copied
and mutilated by pop-culture?
But the guys in the metalscene dont care about the pop-shit they just
keep doing there thing and getting better at it all the time.

i think that at the same time as a genre/style gets copied and mutilated by
some ppl it will also be more purifyed by others.
thus creating a broad spectrum of music for ppl to listen to and
evolving the music.
wich is a good thing right?

i wouldnt worry about hiphoppers using arpeggios or raw waveforms or
whatever.
if they want to mix musical styles, sure. its ok.
its ok to mix polka with grindcore and sing with a robotic voice or
whatever.
you can mix anything as long as you dont steal anybodys material.
thats just plain wrong. (timbaland..)

just choose the music you want to listen to and let people exeriment
their little hearts out!

peace
/salkin

>From: "DOGMATECH" <dogmatech@...>
>Reply-To: lsdj@yahoogroups.com
>To: <lsdj@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: AW: [LSDj!] CHIP MUSIC IS DEAD . Manifesto
>Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:41:24 +0200
>
>Yep, sam is right. And don`t forget that a lot of the house music, techno
>and especially hardcore have its roots in chiptunes (apart from those
>Roland
>monsters raveolution =D).
>Shure, there is some kind of sellout. But as advice to you Ignatz: seeing a
>scene dying really isn`t the deal. The first time it is a shock, but than
>don`t stress your self and search The new pure thing. Just sit yourself
>between the chairs and enjoy all influences. That`s the way people start
>making chiprock and glitch house- an open mind. And: chiptune underground
>will never die ;P
>
>my two cents
>
>
>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: lsdj@yahoogroups.com [mailto:lsdj@yahoogroups.com] Im Auftrag von Sam
>Albaniensson
>Gesendet: Freitag, 31. August 2007 04:28
>An: lsdj@yahoogroups.com
>Betreff: Re: [LSDj!] CHIP MUSIC IS DEAD . Manifesto
>
>
>
>On 31/08/2007, Ignatz <quiebre@yahoo. <mailto:quiebre%40yahoo.com> com>
>wrote:
> > We reached the point that some of us had to be fearing of
> >
> > VSTi and difussion started to become our enemies,
> > cloning of ideals started mutation and blending
>I see the conflict between purism/elitism and ease of
>availability/cloning. I'm not really a fan of VST chip sound
>emulation, but who are you (Or anyone else) to play the role of a
>representative for the chip scene and say that only the pure chip
>sounds are correct. Who are you to say that it is morally wrong to try
>to emulate chip sounds?
>(I'm actually more of a purist myself, but open-minded. But with the
>sentence above I played the devil's advocate)
>
> > house and pop music slowly started to leech our sounds,
> > ass well as rock music did. Mainstream is in the end of the tunnel...
>It's a common phenomenon that contemporary artists of different kinds
>(Eg musicians, designers etc) look back 15-30 years and look for
>inspiration. It has happened before, it will happen again. The
>leeching from chip music is not unique in this aspect. (Just about)
>Every musical style is a progression from another, and everything
>blends together in a ocmplex way. Everything either hits mainstream
>sooner or later or dies in an obscure corner.
>
> > the end seem to be at sight.
> > so, I want to conclude my short words saying:
> >
> > LET US DESTROY 8-BIT and CHIPTUNE,
> > BEFORE MAINSTREAM START TO CLON US and replace our beings with pre-
> > programmed clowns.
>No! Te best way to fight it is by doing something else yourself.
>Destroying yourself by stopping your own creation in order to stop the
>clones is just counter productive. Do you think for example that
>hiphop producers will feel less of an appeal to chip sounds and other
>raw synth sounds if we stop doing our thing.
>No. Spread your own music and styles to counterfeit the mainstream.
>
> > LETS SAY THIS MUSIC SUCKS, IT'S ALREADY SELL OUT,
> > TONGUE IN CHEEK, LAME AND STUPID. It is noisy and nervous.
> > It's a commercial fake! It's just nintendo and big companies propaganda!
>I see a conflict bewteen "noisy and nervous.", "SUCKS", "LAME AND
>STUPID" and "commercial fake". I think that the "commercially cloned"
>music is actually softer and less noisy and nervous.
>
> > IT IS ALREADY DEAD.
> >
> > the end is comming. we are doomed. Media will eat us and transform into
>SHIT.
>If nobody ever said it before, I say it now: "A scene does not truly
>start to live until it is declared dead by its members". Just look at
>the demoscene. It's alive and kicking, although its been declared dead
>several times, and although it's different from what it was 10 or 20
>years ago.
>
>movh /Sam Albaniensson Falsum
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