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#942 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:44 pm
Subject: Mark at WoodyFest
jeladjukic
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Now that I'm back home after my US travels I thought that I'd post about Mark's
WoodyFest debut.

Introduced by MC Bill McCloud as 'The People's Choice' because he was the
overwhelming favourite in response to a question asking which musician, who
hadn't previously appeared at WFest would you like to see next year, when last
year's attendees completed the feedback forms, Mark took the stage at The
Crystal Theatre in what felt like triple digit heat indoors and out and
proceeded to wow the crowd!

Set list:
Dust Pneumonia Blues (Woody Guthrie)
I'm Not Alone
Unravelled
Volunteers (audience stunned, jaws dropped open)
Five Beer Moon
Kingdom Come (one of his Darwin Song Project songs)
Basement Days (new song 'for the lady from England' :0)
Troubadour Blues (name checks Woody)
Abraham
Passing Through (audience sing along)
The Only Way (heckled during the introduction to the song from the audience by
Ellis Paul who recorded this on his Essentials CD)

Encore:
Cowboy Singer (Dave Carter - honouring his memory on the anniversary of his
death, which was a few days later)

I know that I am a fan but he really did sing his heart out and was clearly
delighted to be performing at the former home of one of his heroes - Woody
Guthrie. His set was the highlight of the festival for me and I say that against
many other wonderful performances.

The audience reaction was amazing and I'm not the only one who hopes that he
gets a return invite next year.

....and better still, he's in the UK at the end of August so I get to go see him
again....and then he's back shortly thereafter with Josh Ritter. Life is good!

#943 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:45 pm
Subject: Mark at WoodyFest
jeladjukic
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Now that I'm back home after my US travels I thought that I'd post about Mark's
WoodyFest debut.

Introduced by MC Bill McCloud as 'The People's Choice' because he was the
overwhelming favourite in response to a question asking which musician, who
hadn't previously appeared at WFest would you like to see next year, when last
year's attendees completed the feedback forms, Mark took the stage at The
Crystal Theatre in what felt like triple digit heat indoors and out and
proceeded to wow the crowd!

Set list:
Dust Pneumonia Blues (Woody Guthrie)
I'm Not Alone
Unravelled
Volunteers (audience stunned, jaws dropped open)
Five Beer Moon
Kingdom Come (one of his Darwin Song Project songs)
Basement Days (new song 'for the lady from England' :0)
Troubadour Blues (name checks Woody)
Abraham
Passing Through (audience sing along)
The Only Way (heckled during the introduction to the song from the audience by
Ellis Paul who recorded this on his Essentials CD)

Encore:
Cowboy Singer (Dave Carter - honouring his memory on the anniversary of his
death, which was a few days later)

I know that I am a fan but he really did sing his heart out and was clearly
delighted to be performing at the former home of one of his heroes - Woody
Guthrie. His set was the highlight of the festival for me and I say that against
many other wonderful performances.

The audience reaction was amazing and I'm not the only one who hopes that he
gets a return invite next year.

....and better still, he's in the UK at the end of August so I get to go see him
again....and then he's back shortly thereafter with Josh Ritter. Life is good!

#944 From: Daltydew@...
Date: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Mark at WoodyFest
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Very Nice Jela...thanks for sharing... sounds very special indeed.

Patti
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#945 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Thu Jul 30, 2009 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Mark at WoodyFest
jeladjukic
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My better half Richard took lots of photos at WoodyFest and has posted them on
flickr - to view see
http://www.flickr.com/photos/10377121@N06/sets/72157621885704886/

You can view them as individual photos or all of them as a slide show by
clicking the appropriate button. There are a few shots of Mark. Enjoy!

--- In mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com, Daltydew@... wrote:
>
> Very Nice Jela...thanks for sharing... sounds very special indeed.
>
> Patti
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#946 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:20 pm
Subject: Mark in the UK this weekend
jeladjukic
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Mark is appearing at the Shrewsbury Folk Festival where the main stage
performances are being streamed live on the Internet and will be available for
viewing across the globe.

He is performing tomorrow (Friday 28th August) at 20.45 - 21.45 British Summer
Time which is 15.45 - 16.45 EST over in the US so if you want to watch him, you
can do so. The link is http://www.shrewsburyfolkfestival.co.uk/

As you might guess I will most definitely be glued to the PC screen for that!!!!

Will also be going to see him live at Green Note, London on Sunday evening. Woo
Hoo!

#947 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:00 pm
Subject: Re: Mark in the UK this weekend
jeladjukic
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I've just finished watching Mark's set from Shrewsbury Folk Festival via the
Internet stream and he was great. Very receptive audience so I think he's made a
lot of new fans and I hope that his CD sales go through the roof at the signing
tent.

This was the set list:
1. Not Alone
2. Unravelled
3. Volunteers
4. Five Beer Moon
5. Imaginary Wars
6. Troubadour Blues (Chris Smither is also playing the festival)
7. Delivered (with Karine Polwart)
8. Abraham
9. Passing Through (dedicated to Polly and Owen)
10. The Only Way
11. Cryin' (Roy Orbison cover)




--- In mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com, "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...> wrote:
>
> Mark is appearing at the Shrewsbury Folk Festival where the main stage
performances are being streamed live on the Internet and will be available for
viewing across the globe.
>
> He is performing tomorrow (Friday 28th August) at 20.45 - 21.45 British Summer
Time which is 15.45 - 16.45 EST over in the US so if you want to watch him, you
can do so. The link is http://www.shrewsburyfolkfestival.co.uk/
>
> As you might guess I will most definitely be glued to the PC screen for
that!!!!
>
> Will also be going to see him live at Green Note, London on Sunday evening.
Woo Hoo!
>

#948 From: Greg Pool <gpoole13@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Re: Mark in the UK this weekend
wh6dt
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jeladjukic wrote:
> 6. Troubadour Blues (Chris Smither is also playing the festival)

That's so cool. Art meets life.

Greg

#949 From: Greg Pool <gpoole13@...>
Date: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:47 pm
Subject: FOM: Lila Nelson
wh6dt
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We just had Mark's friend, Lila Nelson, in for a house concert, and I
got to record the encore. Enjoy!

http://TreeHouseConcerts.org/nelson

Greg

#951 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Mon Aug 31, 2009 9:32 am
Subject: Mark @ Green Note, London, UK
jeladjukic
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Great show last night in London. Nice crowd including extended family members.
Played two sets, about an hour and half in total.

First set:
1. Columbus Ohio (my husband's request)
2. Not Alone
3. Unravelled
4. Five Beer Moon
5. Volunteers
6. Imaginary Wars (on mandolin)
7. Troubadour Blues (Chris Smither played a nearby London venue last week -
Greg, more life
meets art!)
8. Kingdom Come
9. Pilgrim Highway

Second set:
10. Here and Now
11. Bend In The River (my request)
12. Once (dedicated to his son, told funny story about how many times he's sung
'Wheels on the Bus' for him in different styles - folk, bluegrass, even opera!)
13. Man of the Family (our friend Paul's request)
14. Basement Days
15. August
16. The Only Way

Encore
17. Here at the Right Time (Josh Ritter song - getting in practice for the
forthcoming UK tour in Josh's band, supporting Ray LaMontagne. Josh is doing a
few shows of his own as well so I'm hoping that when we see them in Brighton,
Mark is the opener).

More good news - Mark looks like coming back to the UK in the Spring :0)

Jela

#952 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:57 pm
Subject: Josh Ritter UK dates featuring Mark
jeladjukic
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Went to a Josh Ritter headline show last night in Brighton, UK where Mark and
Zack Hickman were the band. It was a real high energy show with the sold out
crowd (140)really showing their appreciation and singing along to many of the
songs. Josh Ritter never stops smiling!

Mark got a solo slot (w/Zack) and performed 'Volunteer' and 'Five Beer Moon'
which went down really well with the audience.

Wonderful evening - it will go down as one of my gigs of the year (and I go to a
few!)

They have been supporting Ray LaMontagne on his UK tour and fitting in 3 Josh
headline shows - Brighton is home turf for me so it was great to see them in 'my
backyard' so to speak. Tonight and tomorrow they play support at the Royal
Albert Hall, London - Mark is getting the opportunity to play mandolin with Ray
LaM.

Jela

#953 From: Daltydew@...
Date: Wed Sep 16, 2009 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Josh Ritter UK dates featuring Mark
daltydew
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great news.. it is so nice to have a correspondent from across the  pond!!
You are one lucky reporter... a tuff job but someone has to do it..  :)


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#954 From: huegelc55@...
Date: Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:17 am
Subject: Mark Erelli - Florida November 6-7
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Most of you on this list likely already know Mark's touring schedule better
  than I, but I wanted to extend an invitation to all that might be
interested/able to come to our House Concert Friday 6 November in Palm  Harbor
FL -
west-central FL/Pinellas County.  I am quite excited to finally  be able to
host Mark as part of our series.  It is a wonderful setting and  we are
expecting a full house.  I would hold seats for any of his big fans,  however,
coming from a distance.  Just let me know. If you've never been to  a House
Concert before, they are the most intimate way to experience a night of
music.  This will be a very special evening.  All proceeds go to Mark  - I am
just the host.

You can get more information at: _www.ourkindoffolk.com_
(http://www.ourkindoffolk.com)

Mark will be stopping by WMNF, 88.5 FM, Community Radio that morning ~8:15,
  to play a few songs and talk to host Cameron Dilley.  You can pick that up
  through _www.wmnf.org_ (http://www.wmnf.org)  - and the shows are
archived if you can't listen live.

He is playing in SE FL, Coral Springs the next day, Saturday 7  November.


Craig Huegel
(727) 470-9130
_huegelc55@..._ (mailto:huegelc55@...)


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#955 From: Daltydew@...
Date: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:11 pm
Subject: Congratulations to Mark @ Skins BBC America
daltydew
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Don't know if I missed it in a news letter but I had no idea the song
Imaginary Wars was in a tv show until my daughter was watching the  show
tonight. It is the American version of a BBC show called  Skins...  Anyway, she
screams and says  " mom, its [b]Mark Erelli's  song, Imaginary Wars[/b]"
wahoo.. it was... I guess England is  really coming round   Mark!!
CONGRATULATIONS

Taylor has the show on DVR, so it probably aired in the last week, but she
says she will get all the details of its original airing and if the song
was in  the original BBC show.  I guess they have a few versions of the
show..it  will air again this Saturday 4-5 pm on BBC America, the song is about
50
minutes  into the show..

Congratulations Mark!!

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkjrA3-58E_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkjrA3-58E)

Imaginary  Wars  @ Patti's Place  January 2009  !!  A little shaky at
first but gets steady... love his laugh at the end of the video

Patti


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#956 From: Daltydew@...
Date: Sun Sep 27, 2009 9:17 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Congratulations to Mark @ Skins BBC America
daltydew
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sorry had the wrong link there .. this should do it.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkjrA3-58E_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTkjrA3-58E)


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#957 From: "neil171170" <nhpearson@...>
Date: Thu Oct 8, 2009 5:43 am
Subject: Mark at Shrewsbury, UK
neil171170
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Hello

Thought you might like to see Troubadour Blues from Mark's set on the main stage
at Shrewsbury Folk Festival (28 August 2009).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeE8y8vzEI

This is taken from the feed that goes to the screens in the main tent, and as a
result of this we (and the artists) end up with a DVD copy of their main stage
performances before they leave the festival.

The whole of Mark's show is excellent, but obviously we can only put the odd
song up online - it was a toss up between this or Roy Orbison's Crying that he
closed the set with.

best wishes
Neil

#958 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Fri Oct 9, 2009 3:36 pm
Subject: Re: Mark at Shrewsbury, UK
jeladjukic
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Thanks Neil. All I can say is 'more please!'

Jela

--- In mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com, "neil171170" <nhpearson@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Thought you might like to see Troubadour Blues from Mark's set on the main
stage at Shrewsbury Folk Festival (28 August 2009).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeE8y8vzEI
>
> This is taken from the feed that goes to the screens in the main tent, and as
a result of this we (and the artists) end up with a DVD copy of their main stage
performances before they leave the festival.
>
> The whole of Mark's show is excellent, but obviously we can only put the odd
song up online - it was a toss up between this or Roy Orbison's Crying that he
closed the set with.
>
> best wishes
> Neil
>

#959 From: "nbretvick" <nbretvick@...>
Date: Mon Oct 12, 2009 5:41 am
Subject: Re: Mark at Shrewsbury, UK
nbretvick
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That was awesome.  Thanks for posting it, Neil.  I'd be great if Mark's
performance from the festival would be made available for purchase on DVD.

Neil B.

--- In mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com, "neil171170" <nhpearson@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
>
> Thought you might like to see Troubadour Blues from Mark's set on the main
stage at Shrewsbury Folk Festival (28 August 2009).
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSeE8y8vzEI
>
> This is taken from the feed that goes to the screens in the main tent, and as
a result of this we (and the artists) end up with a DVD copy of their main stage
performances before they leave the festival.
>
> The whole of Mark's show is excellent, but obviously we can only put the odd
song up online - it was a toss up between this or Roy Orbison's Crying that he
closed the set with.
>
> best wishes
> Neil
>

#960 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:21 pm
Subject: Mark @ Passim
jeladjukic
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If anyone is going to the Passim shows this weekend, please post a report as I'd
love to hear about them. Thanks.

Jela

#961 From: "renevanabs" <renevanabs@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:04 pm
Subject: mp3 of the month
renevanabs
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hello

I wonder did mark erelli released the mp3 of the month july,august and
september,for I do not see the mp3's in the files.

#962 From: pascal.desassis@...
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:57 pm
Subject: re: [Mark Erelli] mp3 of the month
pascal.desassis
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Yes he did:


July- "Long black road into Tulsa Town" (Dave Carter)
August- "August" (Mark Erelli)
September- "Here at the right time" (Josh Ritter)
October- "Everything in ruin" (Mark Erelli)






> Message du 30/10/09 13:07
> De : "renevanabs"
> A : mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com
> Copie à :
> Objet : [Mark Erelli] mp3 of the month
>
> > hello
>
> I wonder did mark erelli released the mp3 of the month july,august and
september,for I do not see the mp3's in the files.
>
>


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#963 From: Daltydew@...
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:07 am
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] mp3 of the month
daltydew
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I always have a hard time finding these...  can someone provide a  link...


Much Thanks

Patti


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#964 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:39 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] mp3 of the month
jeladjukic
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Here's the link but the last few mp3 monthly downloads haven't yet been added in

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mark-erelli/files/Monthly%20MP3%20Archives/

Jela

--- In mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com, Daltydew@... wrote:
>
> I always have a hard time finding these...  can someone provide a  link...
>
>
> Much Thanks
>
> Patti
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

#966 From: Greg Pool <gpoole13@...>
Date: Sun Nov 1, 2009 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] mp3 of the month - FIXED
wh6dt
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renevanabs wrote:
> I wonder did mark erelli released the mp3 of the month july,august and
> september,for I do not see the mp3's in the files.

My bad! I have uploaded and cataloged those months in the Archive, and
threw in October as well.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/mark-erelli/files/Monthly%20MP3%20Archives/

Greg
http://TreeHouseConcerts.org

#967 From: jkr <jkrossner@...>
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 3:55 pm
Subject: Darwin Project: Wow!
jkrossner
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Am I the only one who was too impatient to wait for the physical CDs?  I
downloaded the album (legally) yesterday and have been listening with delight. 
(The one issue with the download is that songs seem to be mis-labelled--most of
them show up on iTunes as by Rachael McShane, even when the voice is clearly
Mark Erelli's or Jez Lowe's or whoever, and of course there's no booklet.  Info
is sketchy on the website, too, but I've written to the director of the Project
asking how I can get a copy of the CD booklet.)

Oh, my.  Well, I've been a fan of Mark's for some years--since I went to see
him, at Dave Carter's suggestion--and Jez Lowe & the Bad Pennies have been my
favorite band for even longer.  And I've also liked Karine Polwart and Emily
Smith for a few years, and discovered Megson last year.  The rest of the artists
were previously unfamiliar to me.

I'm very glad to have discovered them all.  The songs range from "yes, this is
good" to "ooh, this is just what I love!"  I'll have to listen a few more times
to be certain, but the whole thing is definitely in the running for my favorite
album of the year.  Go get it!

Jean Rossner

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#968 From: Viki Sue Gayhardt <vikisuesings@...>
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Darwin Project: Wow!
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Jean:
The Darwin Project CD is the first thing written on my Christmas wish list so
far!
Thanks for the review!


Viki Gayhardt Music
www.myspace.com/vikigayhardt

--- On Tue, 11/3/09, jkr <jkrossner@...> wrote:


From: jkr <jkrossner@...>
Subject: [Mark Erelli] Darwin Project: Wow!
To: mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 10:55 AM


 



Am I the only one who was too impatient to wait for the physical CDs? I
downloaded the album (legally) yesterday and have been listening with delight.
(The one issue with the download is that songs seem to be mis-labelled- -most of
them show up on iTunes as by Rachael McShane, even when the voice is clearly
Mark Erelli's or Jez Lowe's or whoever, and of course there's no booklet. Info
is sketchy on the website, too, but I've written to the director of the Project
asking how I can get a copy of the CD booklet.)

Oh, my. Well, I've been a fan of Mark's for some years--since I went to see him,
at Dave Carter's suggestion-- and Jez Lowe & the Bad Pennies have been my
favorite band for even longer. And I've also liked Karine Polwart and Emily
Smith for a few years, and discovered Megson last year. The rest of the artists
were previously unfamiliar to me.

I'm very glad to have discovered them all. The songs range from "yes, this is
good" to "ooh, this is just what I love!" I'll have to listen a few more times
to be certain, but the whole thing is definitely in the running for my favorite
album of the year. Go get it!

Jean Rossner

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#969 From: jkr <jkrossner@...>
Date: Tue Nov 3, 2009 4:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Darwin Project: Wow!
jkrossner
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You're welcome, Viki.  I really hope you enjoy it as much as I do!

Jean

p.s.  I went to your MySpace page and listened to "Brass Rings."  Very nice! 
Please let me know if you're performing in the Boston area.  (Or for that matter
in Nashua, since I visit old friends there rather frequently.)

#970 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Darwin Project: Wow!
jeladjukic
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Here's a YouTube video of Mark performing 'Crying' at Shrewsbury Folk Festival
(where he played a solo set as well as the Darwin Song Project set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Ym8pjO8fA

Enjoy!

Jela

--- In mark-erelli@yahoogroups.com, jkr <jkrossner@...> wrote:
>
> You're welcome, Viki.  I really hope you enjoy it as much as I do!
>
> Jean
>
> p.s.  I went to your MySpace page and listened to "Brass Rings."  Very nice! 
Please let me know if you're performing in the Boston area.  (Or for that matter
in Nashua, since I visit old friends there rather frequently.)
>

#971 From: "jeladjukic" <jela.webb@...>
Date: Tue Jan 5, 2010 6:31 pm
Subject: Naptime Tapes
jeladjukic
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In his recent newsletter Mark mentioned the Naptime Tapes, a series of videos
he's going to make available on You Tube. The first one features 'August' and
you can see it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS2bHux0t_E

Jela

#972 From: "William" <wryan_59@...>
Date: Wed Jan 6, 2010 2:53 am
Subject: Mark on Arlington, MA local access TV show
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Hi all -

Tonite Mark was a guest on The Steve Katsos Show - a local access TV show in
Arlington, MA that features New England artists who follow their dream.

He sang 3 new songs from the upcoming album - all quite good.  Second tune was a
tender ballad with a sweet melody and chord changes.  Third tune was more upbeat
- a fun take on teenagers in the basement living that rock n' roll dream, had
some great lines.

It was a small TV studio, so it was really fun to be in the audience, up close.
As usual, Mark was in great voice, and displayed some nice guitar work.

He closed the show with rousing version of Troubadour Blues.

Looking forward to the new album...

Bill

#973 From: Daltydew@...
Date: Tue Jan 5, 2010 10:46 pm
Subject: Re: [Mark Erelli] Naptime Tapes
daltydew
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Was just checking that out.. Mark's newsletters are the best.. I look
forward to them every month...

I think the last newsletter mentioned a new cd available.. the one he  did
with Jeff Foucault.. need to investigate that and get my hands on it  ASAP!!

Patti



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