Hello Mike,

Go to www.one-way.org/mp3 and click on the Mark Heard hyperlink.

There you will see "Appalachian Melody" available in it's entirety in
a zip file of MP3's.

It converted from a vinyl so the sound is not CD quality, but it is
free and legal because it is an out of print album.

They have a lot of cool out of print stuff up there. Feel free to
check it out!!!!!


James Morovich



--- In markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com, "quiltinginkijabe"
<quiltinginkijabe@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there know how I could get a copy of Mark's
Appalachian Melody album? I
> have an old cassette that is getting pretty bad. I spent an hour
trying to find it on the web to
> no avail.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>

Is "Appalachian Melody" available anywhere ... I have searched for it
also?  Will it ever be released on cd?

I also have a worn out cassette that I can no longer enjoy.  I have
wanted to share some of the great songs with my children ... maybe one
day I can share them with my grandkids ...

Richard

Does anyone out there know how I could get a copy of Mark's Appalachian Melody
album? I
have an old cassette that is getting pretty bad. I spent an hour trying to find
it on the web to
no avail.

Thanks,
Mike

Hey Scott, I guess it might be helpful if you had my email;

calliehf@...

I have an extra of "The Last Performance" somewhere. (If you saw my
mess of a collection you'd know why I said "somewhere.")  Send your
mailing address to my email, and as soon as I can wade through the
refuse and rubble I'll snail mail it to you.

Callie
MarkHeardMusicZone


--- In markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com, minnvike67 <no_reply@...>
wrote:
>
> I know I'm late in looking for these CD-Rs. Anyone know where I can
> find them?
>
> "The Last Performance"
>
> "Mark Heard" the re-release of "On Turning to Dust" with 4 bonus tracks.
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
> Scott
>

Hi there Scott,

I purchased both CDs from Fingerprint Records. Their address will be on Mark's
website.
Hope this of help to you.
With kindest regards from: Ian Rabjohns.



----- CdOriginal Message ----
From: minnvike67 <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>
To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 2 October, 2008 15:46:56
Subject: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Looking for Mark Heard music


I know I'm late in looking for these CD-Rs. Anyone know where I can
find them?

"The Last Performance"

"Mark Heard" the re-release of "On Turning to Dust" with 4 bonus tracks.

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Scott






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I know I'm late in looking for these CD-Rs. Anyone know where I can
find them?

"The Last Performance"

"Mark Heard" the re-release of "On Turning to Dust" with 4 bonus tracks.

Any help is greatly appreciated!
Scott

Hey ,everybody!  I got my sealed copy of the Mark Heard Airborn
Butterfly LP today. I'm listening to it right now.   Yippie!!!
Postmarked Macon, Georgia.  Its a sealed LP... I don't intend to open
it.  Does anyone know if it has an insert?  A scan of the LP label
would be nice. One of you was gracious enough to make a copy of it for
me onto CD-R awhile ago...whoever you are, thank you again (I'm 50, by
God's Grace...... my memory sometimes escapes me...God knows who you
are.)

I don't know if I've ever seen the abstract picture of Mark that is on
the back of this album before....its a shadowy black and white of Mark
standing in the sunlight, he has a flannel shirt on, and is holding
his guitar in his right hand.  As soon as I can get around to scan it,
  I will put it up on the first page of our website.

I'm listening to Mark sing "There Is A Fountain" right now...what a
hidden gem this is.  He starts out singing the song as a classic hymn,
then he puts his own original lyrical input into it....really rich.
At first hearing , this might seem pretty basic to those who are used
to the sophistication that Mark exemplified in his latter years, but,
in retrospect, this comes full circle, its the cherry on the topping
of the life of a singer songwriter who was at times raw, but in
innocence strove to be real; ahe wanted nothing but to write and sing
the truth and nothing less.  Everything here comes full circle, this
ties in so smoothly with one his last recordings " My Redeemer Lives."

Thanks, good job, James!!
I read the other link you posted, I don't think I've read that
particular one, the one I remembered was the one you referenced here.
Also, I didn't know about the specific Randy Stonehill / Until We Have
Wings / Faithful song correlation to it.

What have you been up to? Are you into college now, or are you working?
We shipped our son off to Texas A&M two weeks ago.

Callie

> Hi again Callie,
>
> There is also the complete journal of this story in Mark's own words
over on the Mark Heard tribute site under the articles archive
entitled "Life in the Industry: A Musicians Diary"
>

Everyone in my family collects SOMETHING, with Granny its figurines,
Mom has dolls, brother has wall to wall VHS movies. Cousin is into
WWII and military memoribilia. Wife used to collect Beanie Babies,
till she donated her collection to a Army Medivac / Medic friend of
ours, who distributed them to Iraqi children. I'm the CCM Vinyl nut.

Finally getting Mark Heard Airborn LP (Butterfly Cover)

It seems like it only appears about once or twice a year, but I won
the bid on it this week on EBAY. A sealed copy. There were two from
the same seller, one near mint opened (cheaper) and one sealed. I wish
I had won the opened one, I really don't want to open the sealed copy
just to look at it, but I'd like to see it. It has always been crazy
expensive; I could never work a trade for one or win one,but these
were halfway reasonable, $20 and $40 respectively. They probably were
affordable because both have some sort of mildew spotting on the
covers. About 6 or 7 years ago, I actually had Ron Moores' email. (Ron
owned the Airborn label) He wanted $100 for a sealed copy. He seems
like a nice fellow, I wish I was still in contact with him. It would
be good to interview him. Once one other dude in Fla. had several
sealed copies and wanted a Benjamin too.   So I am happy to get one
for $40 to round out my vinyl collection of Mark's early stuff.  I
don't have the Home Sweet Home Acoustic and Electric Best Of LP's, but
I don't really feel they are significant.  I don't really include
"Setting Yesterday Free/Infinity Plus 3" though it would be nice to
have.   To eventually get and hear the new Solid Rock / Lost Artifacts
CD would be great, I also would like to get the 2 CD Orphans of God,
it would be interesting to hear some more of the cover songs/artists,
I love Tim and Pam Miners' rendition of Orphans of God. I have to
thank Roar Sorensen from Norway, owner of http://www.markheard.net,
for my "Hammer and Nails" CD, he sent me a new copy.  There used to be
a Hammer and Nails website for it, it is no longer active, so I wonder
if it is out of print?

Callie

Yahoo!Groups MarkHeardMusicZone

Hi again Callie,

There is also the complete journal of this story in Mark's own words over on the
Mark Heard tribute site under the articles archive entitled "Life in the
Industry: A Musicians Diary"

James Morovich

--- On Thu, 9/4/08, James Morovich <treasureofthebrokenland@...> wrote:
From: James Morovich <treasureofthebrokenland@...>
Subject: Re: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Re: I Wrote A Simple Song," by Mark Heard?
To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 4:54 PM











             I believe Callie that you are thinking of the "Play It Stupider"
sessions that Mark did with Randy Stonehill. He wrote a song called "Faithful"
that Randy recorded on his 1990 album "Until We Have Wings"



Here is a link that talks a bit about this here below:



http://books. google.com/ books?id= bYYxNTv9EDoC& pg=PA214& lpg=PA214&
dq=%22Play+ It+Stupider% 22+Sessions& source=web& ots=1nZI079oef&
sig=eYk8706WlzrE 0XiEjpK7usSfutQ& hl=en&sa= X&oi=book_ result&resnum=
1&ct=result# PPA213,M1



James Morovich



--- On Thu, 9/4/08, calliehf <calliehf@juno. com> wrote:

From: calliehf <calliehf@juno. com>

Subject: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Re: I Wrote A Simple Song," by Mark Heard?

To: markheardmusiczone@ yahoogroups. com

Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 4:46 PM



I know I went off on a tangent, but I couldn't help



but think of a Mark heard interview with a record exec



who wanted Mark to write something different. (than his



usual brilliance) Mark said he went along with it...he wrote



something very basic and dumbed down, the executive loved it!



Does anyone remember what interview that was?



Callie



YahooGroups MarkHeardMusicZone























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I believe Callie that you are thinking of the "Play It Stupider" sessions that
Mark did with Randy Stonehill. He wrote a song called "Faithful" that Randy
recorded on his 1990 album "Until We Have Wings"

Here is a link that talks a bit about this here below:

http://books.google.com/books?id=bYYxNTv9EDoC&pg=PA214&lpg=PA214&dq=%22Play+It+S\
tupider%22+Sessions&source=web&ots=1nZI079oef&sig=eYk8706WlzrE0XiEjpK7usSfutQ&hl\
=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA213,M1

James Morovich



--- On Thu, 9/4/08, calliehf <calliehf@...> wrote:
From: calliehf <calliehf@...>
Subject: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Re: I Wrote A Simple Song," by Mark Heard?
To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2008, 4:46 PM











             I know I went off on a tangent, but I couldn't help

but think of a Mark heard interview with a record exec

who wanted Mark to write something different. (than his

usual brilliance) Mark said he went along with it...he wrote

something very basic and dumbed down, the executive loved it!

Does anyone remember what interview that was?



Callie



YahooGroups MarkHeardMusicZone





























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I know I went off on a tangent, but I couldn't help
but think of a Mark heard interview with a record exec
who wanted Mark to write something different. (than his
usual brilliance) Mark said he went along with it...he wrote
something very basic and dumbed down, the executive loved it!
Does anyone remember what interview that was?

Callie

YahooGroups MarkHeardMusicZone

Wasn't very long
Before a star, I was bound to be

I didn't care if it made the charts
I only wrote it for you and me
They think they're so smart now
They're not as smart as they want to be

They took my simple song, yes, they did
They changed the words and the melody
Made it all sound wrong, yeah
Now it sounds like a symphony

Who told them to mess with my
Oh, now, who gave them the right
I wanna know now
That song was personal

Because I wrote it for you
It's yours and mine, girl

I don't care if it
Makes the charts, y'all, no
I only wrote it for you and me

They think they're so smart
Yes, they do
They're not as smart
As they want to be

Who told them to mess with my
Oh, now, who gave them the right
I wanna know
That song was personal

Whoa, I wrote it for you
It's yours and mine

Yeah, yeah, oh, oh....

Whoops....the song is actually by Billy Preston.........!!!!!!!!

I go down musical explorations sometimes.  I started down one when I
found Mark's Appalachian Melody LP in 1999.  That is one musical
excursion that hasn't ended.    Well, my latest interest has been
Billy Preston.  I just listened to a song from him on YouTube from
1971 called "I Wrote A Simple Song."  The lyrics to this express a
distaste for the music industry, Mark calls them "the powers that be."
  You can imagine Mark Heard writing and playing something like this.
I wonder if Billy had a few run-ins with record fat cats who wanted
him to write differently than the Spirit moved.  Worth listening to.
Billy also does a nice cover of "I'm Looking Through You" on YouTube.
  Mark heard does a great job on that song as well, too bad we don't
have video of Mark playing that.

Craig Higgins wrote:

>
> Just watched the Peter Bogdanovich biopic on Petty, ³Runninı Down a Dream.²
> Highly recommended.
>

Thanks for the tip.


Ruben
another Tom Petty fan

Responding to my own email.  I suppose Iım thinking of Jim Scott, who
co-engineered Satellite Sky and has engineered for Petty.

Just watched the Peter Bogdanovich biopic on Petty, ³Runninı Down a Dream.²
Highly recommended.

Craig



On 7/8/08 10:47 AM, "craig_r_higgins" <craighiggins@...> wrote:

>
>
>
> This is a bit of an obscure question, but I seem to remember that Mike
> Campbell, lead
> guitarist for Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, helped produce or engineer one of
> Mark's
> works--I was thinking Satellite Sky.  Has my memory finally failed me?  I was
> thinking it was
> Mike who said something about making a big-time record on a small budget.
>
> Thanks for any help.
>
> Craig Higgins
> Pastor & Tom Petty fan
>
>
>


-----------
Dr. Craig R. Higgins
Senior Pastor
Trinity Presbyterian Church
15 Elm Place
Rye, NY  10580
Phone:  914 967 6247
Fax:  914 967 2047
<http://www.trinitychurch.cc/>




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This is a bit of an obscure question, but I seem to remember that Mike Campbell,
lead
guitarist for Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, helped produce or engineer one of
Mark's
works--I was thinking Satellite Sky.  Has my memory finally failed me?  I was
thinking it was
Mike who said something about making a big-time record on a small budget.

Thanks for any help.

Craig Higgins
Pastor & Tom Petty fan

For those interested,
Buddy Miller, musician and Mark heard confidante,
did a recent interview with Paste Magazine, to read it,
cut and paste the link below into your browser.

http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article/7497/feature/music/catching_up_with_\
buddy_miller

Most of that I can agree with....I have an old LP from the 70's in my
collection from David Wilkerson that is titled "The Coming
Persecution." Well, its here now, and will probably get worse.It will
certainly take strength to stand against it.  Mark 's music could be
said to at times to have addressed the spiritual apathy of our times.
Keith Green is a good example of this. Its when we pull a sword on our
brethren, whether in word or deed, that we are amiss.  I think that is
what Martin was talking about, that fella who was slashing at Mark
Heard.  Was he a peacemaker, or a troublemaker?  I'm sure Mark had his
weakneses, we all do, but he is in no position to defend himself. When
they were going to stone the woman, Jesus said "Let him who is without
sin cast the first stone."  I think that is a great example of a
peacemaker rocking the boat!


--- In markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com, "Derek A Collins"
<derekac@...> wrote:
>
> Jesus said I didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. Jesus followed the
> ministry of the old Hebrew prophets, who certainly weren't afraid to
> cause trouble.
>
> We live in such a world now that this aspect of Jesus's ministry is at
> least as important as peacemaking.
>
> After all, being a peacemaker in contemporary America is certainly
> causing trouble....
>
> The problem I have is when peacemaking is interpreted as 'Don't rock the
> boat'. If we are seriously going to follow 'Our Master' in the real
> world of today we will most certainly rock the boat. I find not enough
> Christians are actually prepared to do this
>
> Derek
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of calliehf
> Sent: 04 June 2008 19:15
> To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Re: Lucky for him, dead men don't bite
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Jesus said I didn't come to bring peace, but a sword. Jesus followed the
ministry of the old Hebrew prophets, who certainly weren't afraid to
cause trouble.

We live in such a world now that this aspect of Jesus's ministry is at
least as important as peacemaking.

After all, being a peacemaker in contemporary America is certainly
causing trouble....

The problem I have is when peacemaking is interpreted as 'Don't rock the
boat'. If we are seriously going to follow 'Our Master' in the real
world of today we will most certainly rock the boat. I find not enough
Christians are actually prepared to do this

Derek


-----Original Message-----
From: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of calliehf
Sent: 04 June 2008 19:15
To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Re: Lucky for him, dead men don't bite



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Dear everyone:

I need a small favor...I am working on a power point presentation for one of my
classes, and the focus of the presentation will have to do with birds...

I am in need of some sound clips of certan birds...Specifically, I'm looking for
a sound clip of a common loon, if at all possible...(I think it might have to be
in .wav format, but I might have a program that could take care of that...)

I have extremely slow dial up, and limited server space...So if you could send
the file to ramona.dube@... I would greatly appreciate it...

Other bird songs might be useful...

Here's a list of what I'm including in my presentation...

Crow, Kestrel, Osprey, Bald Eagle, Barred Owl, Coopers Hawk, Peregrine Falcon,
Saw Whet Owl, Great Horned Owl, Snowy Owl, Loon, Ring Neck Ducks, Wood Ducks,
Mallard, Great Blue Heron, Belted Kingfisher, Canada Goose, Cardinal, Cedar
Waxwing, Black Capped Chickadee, Scarlet Tanager, Baltimore Oriole, American
Goldfinch, Mourning Dove, White Breasted Nuthatch, Blue Jay, American Robin,
Juncos, Rose Breasted Grosbeak, Killdeer, Eastern Bluebird, Indigo Bunting,
Grackle, and the Red Winged Blackbird



If you can provide sound clips of any of these bird calls, please respond to my
gmail account....



Thanks in advance,

-Ramona Anne






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The context of this thread is whether this guy is justified in tearing
apart Mark Heard's musical content and whether he was a bad influence
on Pat Terry or not....it has nothing to do with whether Jesus was or
was not a troublemaker.

Context is everything......anything can be pulled out of context and
made to appear as something it is not or more than it is....yes Jesus
was a troublemaker, from the the Pharisees point of view.....and
probably from the general populations' point of view at the time
too...(crucify him!!!) but in the Sermon on the Mount we are told (the
masses) by Jesus "blessed are the peace makers, for they shall be
called Children of God."  I'm sure you would agree that our Master
would prefer that we be peacemakers rather than trouble makers...Mark
Heard could have be considered a troublemaker, because at times he
seemed to go against the norm and ebb and flow of the CCM
industry...prophets in general seem to be trouble makers....but not
everyone is called to be a prophet.




--- In markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com, "Derek A Collins"
<derekac@...> wrote:
>
> Jesus wasn't a troublemaker...?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of calliehf
> Sent: 02 June 2008 06:12
> To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Re: Lucky for him, dead men don't bite
>
>
>
> My Pastor said something today that reminded me of this; "if we have
> God's Spirit in us we will be peacemakers, not troublemakers. "
>
>
>
> .
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Good point.    Just yesterday I heard a speaker talking about how
in the entire book of Acts, neither any of the greek words for the various kinds
of Love, nor any of their derivatives appear.  The fellow went on to talk
about how we often reduce the Christian life, and the Church to, "why can't we
just love". He argued that Love is definitely a CHristian virtue, but that we
can't just reduce the Christian life, and the church to merely "let's just
love".
The three things you CAN reduce the Christian life to, given the book of Acts as
the first and only biblical example of what the church really is, is 1. baptism
and repentance,  2. faithfulness to the teaching of the apostles and the
breaking of bread, as it says, and 3. holding fast until we receive the
inheritance of the Kingdom of God.     So, love probably
comes out of there somewhere.  But let's not reduce being followers of
Christ to being warm and fuzzy.  There's no warm and fuzzy anywhere. Not in
Jesus' day, not in the apostles day. Not now.  

Sermon over.

Warren












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Jesus wasn't a troublemaker...?

-----Original Message-----
From: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of calliehf
Sent: 02 June 2008 06:12
To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Mark Heard Music Zone] Re: Lucky for him, dead men don't bite



My Pastor said something today that reminded me of this; "if we have
God's Spirit in us we will be peacemakers, not troublemakers. "



.



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You're welcome, Martin... :-)

Oh...and about the Backstreet Boys...Nobody calls them "anointed"...But, I know
lots of people who call them "annoying" .... *grin*

On a totally unrelated note...I have had a very beautiful male indigo bunting at
my feeder for the past three days...I'm pretty happy about that...

His coloring is stirking, though it's duller, which makes me think that he has
possibly already mated...

After indigo buntings mate, the males & females live somewhat separate
lives...The male rarely visits the nest and plays little part in raising the
young, but he does act as a guard against predators and other danger...

The woman who teaches my Presentational Communications class on Monday Evenings
knows how much I like birds, and gave me a very cool "gently used" book called
"Feed The Birds" which is basically a field guide to feeding the backyard birds,
and has some recipes and things for treats that the birds like...

She's a Christian and she and I have had some incredible conversations after
class, and sometimes before class...

It was a truly wonderful gift to receive...I do so enjoy feeding the birds, and
have been feeding them mostly from store bought feed, so it'll be nice to know
hwo to give them home made treats...

A couple of weeks ago there was a pair of red winged blackbirds (one of my
favorites!!) that came by but must have only been passing through...Rose
breasted grosbeaks sometimes come to visit, too...I haven't had the cardinals in
a while, but I hear them vocalizing a lot, so I know they're still
here...(Usually they're more visible in colder weather anyhow...)

One of "my" chickadees was around this morning...I have two different chickadees
who have taken seed right from my hands...I know those two from the others
because they don't fly off when I'm out there taking the feeders in to fill them
or anything...They'll hang around...The other chickadees all fly off and
complain when they finally land somewhere else...

If it wasn't such an expensive school, I'd probably try to attend Cornell for
Ornithology...Instead, I'm going to Granite State College for a BS in Elementary
Ed...

Okay, I must run...I've got a full day ahead of me including a slew of reading
for two of my classes, as well as a visit to my brother & sister in law & new
baby nephew...And possibly a ride up the river with mom later in the day to
scope out the Eagle's nest, and see what kind of activity we have there...The
chicks should, by now, be exploring the area outside of the nest, and they might
even have started to stretch and flap their wings by now...

I'm truly blessed to live where I do....That's for sure!...

Have a great day, everyone,
-Ramona Anne







   Well, thanks, Ramona, for taking my comments in the spirit in which
   they were intended. After posting that, I was afraid I might've gotten
   a little too hot under the collar about it.

   In case there's any doubt, I'll just say I'm not trying to pass
   judgment on the spiritual lives of any of these people, or their
   sincerity, or anything like that. That's something I couldn't possibly
   know. In fact, what I'm trying to say that you can't determine such
   things from someone's music, no matter how much it moves you or how
   "anointed" you think it is. The Backstreet Boys can get a crowd all
   worked up with crappy music, and no one calls them "anointed."

   OK, back to my regularly scheduled lurkdom.

   > Martin said: <<the ability to whip people into an emotional frenzy with
   > crappy music while promoting yourself as some ultra-humble,
   > miracle-working, prophesying superman is NOT one of the gifts of the
   > Spirit, last time I checked. >>
   >
   > No, that's not a spiritual gift...What is, however, is sharing
   wisdom with your sister in the Lord who has a tendency to get caught
   up in certain musicians/musical styles, and reminding her to keep it
   all balanced out...And sharing it in such a way that it comes across
   as being spoken in love...
   >
   > You do just that... *warm smile*
   .


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Well, thanks, Ramona, for taking my comments in the spirit in which
they were intended. After posting that, I was afraid I might've gotten
a little too hot under the collar about it.

In case there's any doubt, I'll just say I'm not trying to pass
judgment on the spiritual lives of any of these people, or their
sincerity, or anything like that. That's something I couldn't possibly
know. In fact, what I'm trying to say that you can't determine such
things from someone's music, no matter how much it moves you or how
"anointed" you think it is. The Backstreet Boys can get a crowd all
worked up with crappy music, and no one calls them "anointed."

OK, back to my regularly scheduled lurkdom.

> Martin said: <<the ability to whip people into an emotional frenzy with
> crappy music while promoting yourself as some ultra-humble,
> miracle-working, prophesying superman is NOT one of the gifts of the
> Spirit, last time I checked. >>
>
> No, that's not a spiritual gift...What is, however, is sharing
wisdom with your sister in the Lord who has a tendency to get caught
up in certain musicians/musical styles, and reminding her to keep it
all balanced out...And sharing it in such a way that it comes across
as being spoken in love...
>
> You do just that... *warm smile*

By the way, this does not mean that I'll totally scrap some of this music, some
is good...but, moderation and/or balance is the key here...

Carrie Newcomer is still like, my most favorite...She's a Quaker folk
artist...(she is NOT prophetic worship...) ...She's good...REALY good...Rich,
warm vocals...Simple messages...Easy to relate to, no matter where you come
from...

She's got a good sense of humor, too...

http://www.carrienewcomer.com is the official site..

to get a feel of her sense of humor, check out http://www.dontpushsend.com

I promise she's worth your time... :-)

I'm off to bed...I've got a full day tomorrow, including going to see my new
baby nephew, Evan... (Man, I'm so lucky to have that kid around!...)

Blessings to all,
-Ramona Anne

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ramona Dube
   To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:33 PM
   Subject: Re: [Mark Heard Music Zone] OT - prophetic worship


   One thing that's been great about this topic...Seeing you come out of the
woodwork, Martin... :-)

   Also...This was good to read to remind me to keep a balance....Thank you, dear
friend, for your wisdom...

   (For those that don't know, Martin & I go back over 10 years through the
original - and still in existence - Mark Heard email list which was called
"Orphans of God"...)

   Martin said: <<the ability to whip people into an emotional frenzy with
   crappy music while promoting yourself as some ultra-humble,
   miracle-working, prophesying superman is NOT one of the gifts of the
   Spirit, last time I checked. >>

   No, that's not a spiritual gift...What is, however, is sharing wisdom with
your sister in the Lord who has a tendency to get caught up in certain
musicians/musical styles, and reminding her to keep it all balanced out...And
sharing it in such a way that it comes across as being spoken in love...

   You do just that... *warm smile*

   Thanks again, brother...

   -Ramona Anne

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: m_stillion
   To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:51 PM
   Subject: Re: [Mark Heard Music Zone] OT - prophetic worship

   I knew I'd heard the term "prophetic worship" before; it was in
   connection with one Kim Clement, who apparently has been at this quite
   a while. I've heard recordings ... the guy sounds like Sammy Hagar in
   rehab. But apparently he's not content with just being a musician, and
   tries to be a "prophet" as well ... claims to have predicted 9/11 ...
   "predicted" Hurricane Katrina but was a year off, and claimed
   President Bush would protect America from any economic damage caused
   by the storm ... also "predicted" that no American soldiers would be
   harmed in the Iraq invasion. Lovely, huh?

   http://www.forgottenword.org/clement.html

   There seems to be a "cult of personality" around most of these
   performers. Jason Upton's Wikipedia page proclaims, "His humility has
   made him extremely popular with those whom he leads in worship." I'm
   not sure how humility makes one extremely popular, but whatever. Upton
   also claims to have diverted a tornado in Tulsa by "rebuking" it, and
   to have captured an angel's voice on one of his live recordings.

   As to whether this stuff has value, or a place in the church, I'm
   beginning to doubt it. I don't believe in celebrating musical
   mediocrity of any sort. Obviously, if you have a congregation of 25
   people and one guy who sorta knows a few guitar chords, then you start
   with that and hope for things to improve. But gathering hundreds or
   thousands of people for the express purpose of emotionally
   manipulating them with deliberately dumbed-down music ... I honestly
   don't see what good that serves. I sort of touched on that subject
   here ...

   http://mybigfatgreekvacation.blogspot.com/2006/02/8-come-blow-your-nose.html

   ... where I tried to adopt a more ecumenical tone than I'm adopting
   now. It's certainly true that the presence of the Holy Spirit is felt
   more keenly in certain places and with certain people than with others
   ... but the ability to whip people into an emotional frenzy with
   crappy music while promoting yourself as some ultra-humble,
   miracle-working, prophesying superman is NOT one of the gifts of the
   Spirit, last time I checked.

   The massive commercialization/commodification of "worship music" in
   the past 10 years has some troubling aspects. It so happens that I
   write a column for Worship Musician magazine, wherein I try to focus
   on better equipping people to play worship music _within their own
   churches_, rather than relying on itinerant outsiders to come and get
   them all worked up. I try to apply the same artistic standards to
   worship music that I would apply to any other kind of music. It
   doesn't get a free pass just because it bears the "W" label.
   .


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One thing that's been great about this topic...Seeing you come out of the
woodwork, Martin... :-)

Also...This was good to read to remind me to keep a balance....Thank you, dear
friend, for your wisdom...

(For those that don't know, Martin & I go back over 10 years through the
original - and still in existence - Mark Heard email list which was called
"Orphans of God"...)

Martin said: <<the ability to whip people into an emotional frenzy with
crappy music while promoting yourself as some ultra-humble,
miracle-working, prophesying superman is NOT one of the gifts of the
Spirit, last time I checked. >>

No, that's not a spiritual gift...What is, however, is sharing wisdom with your
sister in the Lord who has a tendency to get caught up in certain
musicians/musical styles, and reminding her to keep it all balanced out...And
sharing it in such a way that it comes across as being spoken in love...

You do just that... *warm smile*

Thanks again, brother...

-Ramona Anne

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: m_stillion
   To: markheardmusiczone@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 4:51 PM
   Subject: Re: [Mark Heard Music Zone] OT - prophetic worship


   I knew I'd heard the term "prophetic worship" before; it was in
   connection with one Kim Clement, who apparently has been at this quite
   a while. I've heard recordings ... the guy sounds like Sammy Hagar in
   rehab. But apparently he's not content with just being a musician, and
   tries to be a "prophet" as well ... claims to have predicted 9/11 ...
   "predicted" Hurricane Katrina but was a year off, and claimed
   President Bush would protect America from any economic damage caused
   by the storm ... also "predicted" that no American soldiers would be
   harmed in the Iraq invasion. Lovely, huh?

   http://www.forgottenword.org/clement.html

   There seems to be a "cult of personality" around most of these
   performers. Jason Upton's Wikipedia page proclaims, "His humility has
   made him extremely popular with those whom he leads in worship." I'm
   not sure how humility makes one extremely popular, but whatever. Upton
   also claims to have diverted a tornado in Tulsa by "rebuking" it, and
   to have captured an angel's voice on one of his live recordings.

   As to whether this stuff has value, or a place in the church, I'm
   beginning to doubt it. I don't believe in celebrating musical
   mediocrity of any sort. Obviously, if you have a congregation of 25
   people and one guy who sorta knows a few guitar chords, then you start
   with that and hope for things to improve. But gathering hundreds or
   thousands of people for the express purpose of emotionally
   manipulating them with deliberately dumbed-down music ... I honestly
   don't see what good that serves. I sort of touched on that subject
   here ...

   http://mybigfatgreekvacation.blogspot.com/2006/02/8-come-blow-your-nose.html

   ... where I tried to adopt a more ecumenical tone than I'm adopting
   now. It's certainly true that the presence of the Holy Spirit is felt
   more keenly in certain places and with certain people than with others
   ... but the ability to whip people into an emotional frenzy with
   crappy music while promoting yourself as some ultra-humble,
   miracle-working, prophesying superman is NOT one of the gifts of the
   Spirit, last time I checked.

   The massive commercialization/commodification of "worship music" in
   the past 10 years has some troubling aspects. It so happens that I
   write a column for Worship Musician magazine, wherein I try to focus
   on better equipping people to play worship music _within their own
   churches_, rather than relying on itinerant outsiders to come and get
   them all worked up. I try to apply the same artistic standards to
   worship music that I would apply to any other kind of music. It
   doesn't get a free pass just because it bears the "W" label.
   .


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