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Re: [oddmusic] semi-found instruments: UP FOR DEBATE

Maybe music is something thatis mused and a musical instrument is
something for musing with.*
I've never understood why 'music' is specifically sound...
Chi

*Don't ask me to define musing! Especially with an Aeolian Harp.

BIK wrote:

> It's kind of like defining music itself. One definition I've heard is that
> music is organized sound. That's all well and good, but then an audio book
> is music. I think something becomes music when the intention is to create
> music. This of course doesn't address the question of whether or not it's
> GOOD music.... So, similarly, I think an object becomes an instrument by
> intention. If you're using it to create music, then it's an instrument. I
> suppose that perhaps another factor that could apply is if someone is
> playing it. By definition, an instrument is something that is
> used/manipulated. Please don't mention Aeolian Harp.... you'll only destroy
> all my careful reasoning...
> :))
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> At 04:08 PM 06/18/2004 -0000, you wrote:
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>>I was musing on issues regarding instruments that are semi found.
>>For example, one may buy a object that is not intended for sound or at the
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> very least not "music" and choose to mount it on
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>>a wood frame or a stand to make it "more playable".
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>>-Does this THEN become an instrument?
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>>Most musical instrument collectors that I know, most folks on this list
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> infact are attracted to sounds from all over the palette.
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>>Many people own things like car horns, boxing bells, fishing reels,
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> typewriters and other things that are used in a musical
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>>light, despite their creators intention. -Let's not even get into Cicuit
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> Bending, which is a whole other kettle of bananas with
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>>regards to bypassing design intention.
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>>Conceptual questions abound...
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>>If I have a boxing bell and mount in on a nice board did I make an
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> instrument or does the line get blurred when I pain the
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>>board?
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>>I once found a old pinball machine, took out the dinger, rewired it on a
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> board with a push button and added a metal base so
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>>it stands straight up and also looks nice for display.
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>>-Did I make an instrument or did I just make an art piece?
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>>TD
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It's kind of like defining music itself. One definition I've heard is that music is organized sound. That's all well and good, but then an audio book is music....
BIK
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Jun 19, 2004
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Maybe music is something thatis mused and a musical instrument is something for musing with.* I've never understood why 'music' is specifically sound... Chi ...
Chi
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Jun 19, 2004
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Chi said "Maybe music is something that is mused and a musical instrument is something for musing with.* I've never understood why 'music' is specifically...
Ray Nutter
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Jun 19, 2004
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... I have your mind bugged Ray... ... Is it so hard to listen in a straightjacket then? Chi...
Chi
thepatchworkcat
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Jun 19, 2004
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... YIKES!!! What are you trying to do to us all?? I'm busy enough trying to decide what SOUND is music... and what objects are instruments! Now I have to try...
BIK
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Jun 19, 2004
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Bflat. Chi...
Chi
thepatchworkcat
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Jun 19, 2004
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That explains a lot.... thanks. Now where's my capo??...
BIK
boo4511111
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Jun 19, 2004
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"I think something becomes music when the intention is to create music." What about the person walking through the park who hears bird song and says, "that's...
Ray Nutter
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Jun 19, 2004
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... Showing that perception is also influenced by the intention of the perciever? -- <http://rr.www.cistron.nl/> -!- <http://www.rr.dds.nl/> ...
Rasta Robert
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Adding to Robert's thought that the perciever also plays a role... The Universe is "musical" by nature and produces sound again by its nature. But since Humans...
taoxproductions
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Jun 19, 2004
2:22 pm

Good one....
BIK
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Well, I don't think that's music... by my personal definition.... because in that context it's actually funtioning as communication. Now, record those sounds...
BIK
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Jun 19, 2004
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Now, record those sounds and use them as is (are?) ewith the creation to create music.. ... Oh, great.... I can spell "voila" (I think...) but I can't spell...
BIK
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Damon Knight once famously observed, "Science Fiction is what I'm pointing at when I say, 'This is science fiction.'" Like Sturgeon's Law (another SF writer),...
TarsTherat@...
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Jun 19, 2004
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... This appears to be true for all things, for a given value of 'true'. ... No. 90% of everything just doesn't appeal to Sturgeon. Good writer though he is,...
Chi
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Jun 19, 2004
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... crap"... I believe that quote original comes from Gertrude Stein. Who also said "Kill the 19th Century Dead." T R...
Thomas Ruddick
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Jun 19, 2004
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... well, if you experience synaesthesia, it isn't... And the way these things do, a quick web search produced this fascinating history of synaesthesia in...
Pat Chappelle
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Jun 19, 2004
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I always heard Eno used to record aural wallpaper... ... From: Chi <patchwork.mail@...> To: oddmusic@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [oddmusic] semi-found...
Pat Chappelle
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Jun 19, 2004
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Wow, we're going off on this topic. Perhaps I can offer an authoritative opinion, since I teach this stuff at the college level. [everyone chuckle...
Thomas Ruddick
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Jun 19, 2004
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... Finally, someone wants to be the conductor and bring the focus back the question. SIMPLIFIDE: "when does it become an instrument" ... Good gravy, this is...
Tommy DOG
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Jun 20, 2004
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I had a couple of small rocks that just sound wonderful when banged together.. then one of them broke in half.... probably why they were so resonant. To my way...
BIK
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Jun 20, 2004
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I was thinking pretty much the same, but then I thought; perhaps it is in the observation that a musical instrument is formed. So the observation that...
Chi
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Jun 21, 2004
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Is it "musical rocks" or "rock music"? Wait, that's another thread.... I don't know about the observation thing. You could look at a cloud and decide to use it...
BIK
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Jun 21, 2004
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Is an imaginary musical instrument a musical instrument? Probably. Going back to my knocking of clouds... Chi...
Chi
thepatchworkcat
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Jun 21, 2004
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Well, your question brings us back around to the Seuss instrument, doesn't it? But perhaps it could be.... I imagine.......
BIK
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Jun 21, 2004
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Most "inventions" live in the imagination first;) T ... From: BIK [mailto:bik54@...] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 12:26 AM To: oddmusic@yahoogroups.com ...
taoxproductions
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Jun 21, 2004
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Anything I'v ever invented, I found behind the couch..... not much market for dust bunnies, sad to say......
BIK
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... An imaginary explosion is not an explosion, a special-effects lightning strike kills no one (if done correctly), and a virtual global conquest still leaves...
Thomas Ruddick
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What if you rented a plane, seeded the clouds, paid a fee to Thor, created the thunderstorm.... oh, never mind... this is much too esoteric for me. But- the...
BIK
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I came late to this discussion 'cause I've wasted the last week arguing online with an old friend who I used to play in garage bands with about (1) Why the...
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