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Lava goes Be-lagaam aka (Lava Hua Be-Lagaam)

Hey Prakash,

You know how it is with Pancham - once you get started - you're
hooked. Learned my lesson from the corny line on the LP cover of
SHALIMAAR - Turn on this LP - the music will turn you on.

There are quite some movies that Pancham was priveleged to compose
for - which really do justice to his vision for his compositions.
This makes discussing the music and its shot execution an easy
affair.

However please do not expect me to speak with enthusiasm on a movie
like BE-LAGAAM........

....but then what the heck...maybe I can:

Imagine an over-the-hill Rakesh Roshan with his ill-fitting wig
cavorting around as a college student. Imagine a tired, haggard,
hardly-in-touch-with-Bollywood Moon Moon Sen as the college
student's love interest.

Now throw in some chappie-wannabe-hero - whose-father-is-stinking-
rich, hence produces this movie. He forcibly (in script too) poses
as the 3rd angle to the triangle.

Besides Pancham's music, the next best interesting thing about the
movie I found was the movie title logo - interlaced with runnng wild
horses - BE-LAGAAM indeed.

But what about Pancham's music. Here's my take:

Pancham must've closed his eyes to the storyline, the cast and
imagined that he was composing for a refreshing love story directed
by Ravi Tandon.

1. Hence...'Phoolon Ki Daali' - one of the supreme love songs
relegated to anonymity thanks to T-Series marketing of Pancham
music. Suresh Wadkar for a change, maintains good company to Asha -
reminding us of the SUNNY days. An obvious rehash of an older tune,
Pancham reminds listeners of the 90s of the tunes they/got ignored
in the 70s. JAWANI-style keyboards, the familiar tabla beats
following the antara's - tell-tale marks of Pancham's expertise.

2. Then there is the 'dosti' number..(Yeh Zindagi Zinda Hai Pyar Se -
Shailendra-Aziz)...which actually grows on you with oft-repeat-
listening. Although Mohd. Aziz too-sincere rendering tends to put
you off in many places. Pancham once again displays the ease with
which he can incorporate electronic music, simple keyboards, etc. in
his music.

As observed by many, Pancham's use of the keyboard to substitute a
large orchrestra - especially in cheaper productions (like ANYAY HI
ANYAY, DIL TERA HUA) - leaves a lot to be desired - especially for
solid Panchamites - so used to extended interludes, experimentation
in the usage of instruments, etc.

Somehow the 2nd part of this 'dosti' number's mukhada reminds me of
the line 'Zindagi Dard Hai...Pyar Dard Ki Dawaa' from the DACAIT
song 'Maine Kaha Tumne Suna'.

And to add to my theory of Pancham closing his eyes to the movie's
production values and starcast, he uses the voice of Shailendra
Singh for Rakesh Roshan. Not that Pancham has consistently
associated a certain singer's voice with Rakesh Roshan - given most
his songs were composed by brother RR.

Word of caution: Imagine the picturisation - the hero in a dhak-chik
80s sleeveless vinyl jacket, Rakesh Roshan in dhik-chak college-boy
jacket - both dancing around, riding bikes and general dosti-dosti
hugs!

3. The next song - 'O Bewafaa O Bewafaa' - dunno where and how to
slot this as a Pancham song. As the title suggests it has Mohd Aziz
(singing for the other hero) accusing Kavita Krishnamurhty (playback
for Moon Moon) of infidelity. But on listening to the antara's
instantly reminds you of the forgotten Pancham. More like
BENAAM's 'Yaara O Yaara Ishq Ne Maara'.

So this song of the 90s should put to rest any speculation out there
that 'Yaara O Yaara' was composed by Narendra Chanchal. Pancham can
compose too - thank you. (Tantamount to saying that the BOBBY
song 'Beshaq Mandir Masjid Todo' was composed by Chanchal - phew!)

Kavita Krishnamurthy - Pancham's increasing femal vocal of the 90s
does more than justice to her part in this song - even when Pancham
throws her bit and parts - she delivers with relish. And I found her
voice a very good suit for Moon Moon Sen.

4. The last song of the movie 'Dil Mein Lagi Hai' - once again a
fantastic number - but also dangerously alarming - because Pancham
decides to experiment with Mohd. Aziz's voice for a song of joyful
abandon. Aziz struggles yet manages to deliver.

This is another song - which as said in Hindi - almost - Gayi Bhains
Paani Mein. The other song being 'Aankhon Hi Aankon Mein' from SHIVA
KA INSAAF. Usage of Munna Aziz's vocals is strange indeed - and
would turn anyone one but a hardcore Panchamite off. BTW, 'Aankon Hi
Aankhon Mein' must rate in the league with 'Roz Roz' - what with its
incredible guitar piece in prelude, Asha's echoing voice. Dadoo
Sippy first practised the picturisation of a soft romantic number
with 'Aankhon Hi' progressing to 'Roz Roz'.

Coming back to 'Dil Mein Lagi Hai' - this song has Kavita forming
the duet. And this number is a classy example of what Pancham had in
mind and how he was failed in its much-lacking execution.

Imagine the same racy number in KK and Asha's voice and you have
another 'Tumhein Chodh Ke Ab Jeene Ko Jee To Nahin'. But in the 90s
we have to make do with Munna Aziz, Kavita and TSeries...and oh I
forgot - that strange hero, Moon Moon and Rakesh Roshan cavorting as
college kids.

For the real serious hardcore Panchamites - the climax of this movie
is worth it. I hand around till the end - since my ears thirst for
every drop of the background score...and the desire to read
Pancham's name again in the credits. Suffice to say - the hero does
a 80s style Bachchan - dying in the arms of a dis-interested Rakesh
Roshan and an incredulously distracted Moon Moon Sen.

Loin

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "Prakash Jain" <rdbfanforlife@h...>
wrote:
> shashi,
>
> when i said "shashi is on an editorial diet" - doesn't mean you
rebel and go
> an editing binge :-)
>
> good to hear from you though...did you have all this in your head,
and typed
> it up impromptu? Boss, if you did, I am totally and thoroughly
impressed N
> times over.
>
> prj
>
> ************************************
> Prakash Jain
> ** Rahul Dev Burman Fan, For Life **
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: "shashirao <pancham@c...>" <pancham@c...>
> Reply-To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Pancham] Re: Vinay...some folks are missing - changed to
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> Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 16:49:06 -0000
>
> Prakash/Vinay,
>
> Unfortunately there are hardly any threads worth discussing -
mostly
> personal notifications and oft-repeated topics.
>
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shashi, when i said "shashi is on an editorial diet" - doesn't mean you rebel and go an editing binge :-) good to hear from you though...did you have all this...
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Hey Prakash, You know how it is with Pancham - once you get started - you're hooked. Learned my lesson from the corny line on the LP cover of SHALIMAAR - Turn...
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Sadly enough, I only have the happy version of this song on tape(courtesy HMV). If I get the sad version, I will be very happy. Ashok ... === message...
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Jan 7, 2003
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Hi Ashok, Through HamaraCD, you can get the sad version of the song "Jeene De Yeh Duniya". Visit www.hamaracd.com, pick up this song and insert it in you own...
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Jan 8, 2003
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Shailendra, I am not sure if the 3rd version - the climax version - is available at HamaraCD. This one is hardly about 2-3 minutes. But if it is - one CD...
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Jan 8, 2003
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In my opinion,Pancham 'wasted' many of his good compositions by using singers like Suresh Wadkar, Ameet Kumar etc who did not do enough justice to his...
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Jan 8, 2003
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What magic are you taliking about Manish ???? Please elaborate your opinion and the unjustice done by Suresh Wadkar & Amit Kumar... After Kishore, these are...
K C Pingle
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Jan 8, 2003
1:43 pm

i think that after kishore....lata's number would come...she sang some really soulful number for the loRD... then comes SD Burman .... after these i think asha...
Ankur Jain
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Jan 8, 2003
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The magic I found in Kishore-Asha-Lata-Pancham combo. For ex: Nigahon ne cheda hien(Ghatak) got lost in Suresh Wadkar's voice. Ditto for Savere Wali Gadi.Some...
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Jan 9, 2003
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Hi Shashi, Againt hats of to your analysis. I actually forgot when that third version of Jeene Dey was there in the movie. Coming to Lata's voice in Lava - you...
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Jan 8, 2003
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Saurav, I was initially put off by the use of Anwar for those numbers - when the voice of KK was available. But on hindsight - 'Koi Pardesi Aaya' can be placed...
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Jan 8, 2003
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In my opinion, singers such as Anwar, Shailendra, Amit K were completely dispensable when KK and Rafi were around. Likewise for Kavita and other singers in the...
Ashok Sharma
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Jan 8, 2003
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Hmmm...I wonder if people thought the same when Pancham invested in experimenting with Asha's voice? I agree that many of Pancham's compositions were wasted on...
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You have a good point there, Shashi. I see another, the more obvious reason, however, why Pancham shifted to new voices. Which is simply that he lost the...
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True...we are really blessed that Pancham rarely resorted to screechy, out-of-tune voices for his songs. However, yet another huge loss for me was not just the...
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There is one more factor --- besides experimentation and investment for the future --- that hasn't been explored enough in the discussion so far. As Vinay...
Neeraj Deshmukh
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Jan 9, 2003
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I object meeelord!!! Waning period for kishore!!!! I think kishore never sounded better although the quality songs were far and few, infact some of his bengali...
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Jan 9, 2003
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Kya baat kahi hai !!! Tumhare munh mein Sugar Factory !!!! :) Kaustubh...
K C Pingle
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Jan 11, 2003
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I think it is not wise to say that "Shabbir butchered Betaab songs " -- because loRD was the best judge then and not any of us. Kishore , Rafi , Lata , Asha...
Tamal
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Jan 8, 2003
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Tamal, For people used to ambrosia, mere fruit-bread would not do. It is very true that Shabbir was in a way the best fit for BETAAB. Since: 1. It was the...
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Hi .. The fact that since one is blind fan of somebody does not mean that others should be defamed. I am sure that loRD must have found something in new...
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I like Shabbir Kumar's voice in Betaab. His singing adds a rustic flavour to the songs which makes the songs stand out as very different than the rest of...
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Forgot to mention about about Abhijit in Anand aur Anand but there is really nothing to mention except that he couln't at all carry the great numbers. He must...
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Ambika, You are right. Pancham had already started experimenting with new male singers much before Great Kishore's demise. There were 2 reasons for this one...
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Parag Hmm.. I overlooked "Jane do na " when I was talking about Shailendra Singh - I love this song particulary the awesome percussion. The song and the...
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Jan 9, 2003
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Ambika, I share your views on this that why Pancham didn't use these female singers. Especially I used long to hear Pancham gems from Runa Laila,Aarti...
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Jan 12, 2003
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Friends...though this is my personal opinion, I would like to say that Shailendra singh is any time better than anyone around in 80s,90s and at the moment. He...
Prashant Sharma
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Jan 9, 2003
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Hi ambika it was too nasty to say Shailendra Singh is horrible.. If Panchamda is repeating someone...he has to have something his slightly unorthodox voice...
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Hi Tamal, This is just my opinion. You may have a completely different opinion and you are welcome to express it. And don't worry, people here can handle...
Ashok Sharma
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Jan 9, 2003
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but i do have to say that lata is better in "Hum Hain Lajawab - Duniya Badal gayi hain", then she is in "Koi bhi naam do" - I still wonder why my windows did...
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