Shoshikanto,

The term I have used is value for money. That describes Barjatya philosophy.
There is a clear distinction between projects which are small because they can
not have the budget and then there are projects that are just the right budget.
Shakti Samanta's many projects were also just that as also Hrishida's . It is a
different matter that ARAADHNA is perceived differently today but the underlying
philosophy was no different. Burmans came in only on value for money principle.
These did not start as star vehicles and the focus remained just the story.This
obsession with big budgets is a mid seventies phenomena many of them bankrolled
by Barjatya himself.
The point I am making is that small has to be understood in the right context.


Woody Allen gets to make the movies he wants without any studio dictating terms
because he is the right budgetand his movies are never about the stars who work
with him.

LP were  very big and   amongst the top MDs at the time of PIYA KA GHAR and
UPHAAR.  Pm has not made mythologicals but good part of his earlier output was
in family-socials same as everyone else.

Dikshit





--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "shashirao" <shashirao@...> wrote:
>
> Dixit-moshai,
>
> I would state it a bit differently. Rajshri productions was no small beans in
the hindi movie industry. However their own ventures - the movies they made had
a smaller setup. Most of their movies starting from Dosti, Saudagar thru
Chitchor - had the staple set of technicians.
>
> These were standard directors like Hiren Nag or Basu Chatterjee. Musicians
were usually Ravindra Jain or Raam Laxman.
>
> Even their movie story lines were of a standard nature. In fact in the 70s
Agent Vinod stands out like a sore thumb due to its non-family style story.
>
> So although I would agree with you on Rajshri Productions were no small fries
- I would tend to agree with Vishwas that when it came to making movies - they
had a set (aka limited) budget - and usually strayed away from the top-notch
composers, stars and musicians.
>
> Sooraj Barjatya did attempt to break the mould - by "modernizing" the banner.
But after getting his fingers burned with the Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon - he
returned back to remaking old Rajshri movies with Vivaah.
>
> Coming to Pancham - its not that Pancham did not work with small movie setups
- there is a whole list of B and C grade and small budget movies in his career.
>
> However working with a banner like Rajshri Productions or Yashraj Films needs
a relationship - a long term one. Where one needs to understand their
sensibilities, requirements and movie making techniques. One also need to agree
with these.
>
> And to me - Pancham seemed to stay away from the social and mythological
ventures. Perhaps there was never such a relationship initiated - thus they
never worked together.
>
> My 2 cents
> Loin
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "arya_dixit" <dickrus@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Vishwasbhau,
> >
> > I agree RAJSHRI's choices in its home productions were deliberate  value for
money propositions .
> >
> > However RAJSHRI was no  small timer. Barjatya was a big financier with a
very successful distribution business. He had been distributing blockbusters
since 1947. Chandralekha, Baiju Bawra being some of the earlier big films.
> >
> > Rajshri produced its first film in 1962 (Sharda) starring Raj Kapurand Meena
Kumari both big stars.
> >
> > Barjatya has been known to force changes in many of the films he financed
that he saw commercially desirable.
> >
> >  Pm did play a role in RAJSHRI productions when he played mouth organ for LP
in DOSTI which was RAJSHRI's landmark hit.
> >
> > Dikshit
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, Vishwas Nerurkar <vishwas.nerurkar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never
after
> > > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> > > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and can
> > > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many
new
> > > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were ready
> > > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their terms
> > > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in
for
> > > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.
> > >
> > > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when
Rajashri
> > > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD could
> > > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> > > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> > > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration
to
> > > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
"Aarti"
> > > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was very
> > > less.
> > >
> > > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
> > > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
> > > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also got
> > > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
> > > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj
took
> > > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
> > > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> > >
> > > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> > > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
> > > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter
of
> > > your own choice and comfort level.
> > >
> > > Vishwas
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
Mohan
> > > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > > >
> > > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
Sippy
> > > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
with
> > > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>, "apciom"
> > > > <apciom@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
pictures
> > > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > > > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>

Thank You Very Much for the insight Anshulbhai..........What I can infer
from this dialogue is Pancham's Image of westernized composer was a
hindrance, though prior to this he had composed for classics like Amarprem,
Baharon Ke Sapne, Pyar Ka Mausam, etc.......and that was also main reason
why he was denied one classical award for the song " O Ganga Maiya" with
words of selector going like this "How can we give this award to R D Burman,
he is too western to bestow an classical award of this stature to him"

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Anshul Chobey <anshulchobey@...>wrote:

>
>
> Hi all
>
> Well, this discussion happened back in 2004 also about yash chopra. I had
> spoken to yashji when we were shooting veer zaara and he was quite open
> about discussing his musical preferences….
>
> http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/pancham/message/31056
>
> And http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/pancham/message/31148
>
> Regards
>
> anshul
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--
Ritesh Gadhvi
+91 98795 98577


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ah!! Loin's memory failing? Asambhav!!! Since Ajit posted this as a quiz, I'm
not going to say too much here yet, but I am pretty sure what peculiarity he is
alluding to - afterall, he only elaborated on it for all our benefit, quite
sometime ago!

Pranav

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, shashirao <shashirao@...> wrote:

> From: shashirao <shashirao@...>
> Subject: [Pancham] Re: Deewar QUIZ
> To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 12:56 PM
> The longish complicated antara
> structure or the reduced M1, M2 music?
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com,
> "Iyer, Ajit" <ajit.iyer@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Chalo "Deewar" ki baat chali hai, to ek quick Quiz ho
> jaye? This is a
> > bit technical, but fun anyways -
> >
> > The song "Maine Tujhe Manga" - What is peculiar about
> this song? In
> > other words, what has RD done in this song which is
> quite unusual?
> >
> > -Ajit.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:pancham@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf
> > Of Ritesh Gadhvi
> > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:48 AM
> > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and
> yashraj pictures not
> > much utilised music of rd sab?
> >
> > No, Deewar was not Yash Raj Production.....Gulshan Rai
> Produced
> > it.......Trimurti Films....which now is run by his son
> Rajiv Rai......
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM,
> <nitinpatnia@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I think Deewar was Yash Raj production. So Lord
> did have a Yash Raj
> > hit to
> > > his credit.
> > > Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone Essar
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: "shashirao" <shashirao@...>
> > > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:14
> > > To: <pancham@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and
> yashraj pictures not much
> > > utilised music of rd sab?
> > >
> > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj
> Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> > Mohan
> > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity
> between them.
> > >
> > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with
> Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> > Sippy
> > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their
> preferential relationship
> > with
> > > certain composers. I think there was room for
> many producers and many
> > > composers - without the need for them to work
> with Pancham only.
> > >
> > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com,
> "apciom" <apciom@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri
> production and yashraj
> > pictures
> > > that they have not availed the music of great rd
> saab?is there any
> > > professional jelousy  or some thing?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > -----------------------------
> > > http://www.panchamonline.com/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > +91 98795 98577
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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hmm...what is peculiar about this song? Wonder if the yahoo groups has archives
from, like what, 7-8 years ago? Hint..hint!! :)

Pranav

--- On Fri, 11/13/09, Iyer, Ajit <ajit.iyer@...> wrote:

> From: Iyer, Ajit <ajit.iyer@...>
> Subject: RE: [Pancham] Deewar QUIZ
> To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 13, 2009, 4:52 AM
>
> Chalo "Deewar" ki baat chali hai, to ek quick Quiz ho jaye?
> This is a
> bit technical, but fun anyways -
>
> The song "Maine Tujhe Manga" - What is peculiar about this
> song? In
> other words, what has RD done in this song which is quite
> unusual?
>
> -Ajit.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:pancham@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Ritesh Gadhvi
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:48 AM
> To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj
> pictures not
> much utilised music of rd sab?
>
> No, Deewar was not Yash Raj Production.....Gulshan Rai
> Produced
> it.......Trimurti Films....which now is run by his son
> Rajiv Rai......
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM, <nitinpatnia@...>
> wrote:
>
> > I think Deewar was Yash Raj production. So Lord did
> have a Yash Raj
> hit to
> > his credit.
> > Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone Essar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "shashirao" <shashirao@...>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:14
> > To: <pancham@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj
> pictures not much
> > utilised music of rd sab?
> >
> > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar,
> Mohan Kumar or
> Mohan
> > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between
> them.
> >
> > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh
> Behl or Ramesh
> Sippy
> > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their
> preferential relationship
> with
> > certain composers. I think there was room for many
> producers and many
> > composers - without the need for them to work with
> Pancham only.
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com,
> "apciom" <apciom@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri
> production and yashraj
> pictures
> > that they have not availed the music of great rd
> saab?is there any
> > professional jelousy  or some thing?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > -----------------------------
> > http://www.panchamonline.com/Yahoo!
> Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
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> +91 98795 98577
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>

Hi all

Well, this discussion happened back in 2004 also about yash chopra. I had spoken
to yashji when we were shooting veer zaara and he was quite open about
discussing his musical preferences….

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/pancham/message/31056



And http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/pancham/message/31148



Regards

anshul



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Thanks Shashi and Dixit for throwing some more light on the subject. Shashi,
you read my mind correctly and put it aptly.

Vishwas


On 11/14/09, shashirao <shashirao@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Something more to add to the Yashraj part of the discussion.
>
> A few months or years back - our own group member Anshul Choubey - who is
> now an accomplished cameraman in hindi films - had the opportunity to speak
> with Yash Chopra himself.
>
> Ankush was working on Jugal Hansraj's venture Roadside Romeo.
>
> The gist of the conversation was that:
>
> 1. Yash Chopra himself admitted that the story of Deewar did not leave much
> scope for songs. In fact the songs were added on distributors insistence.
> Especially the 'Koi Marr Jaaye' number.
>
> 2. As for not working together after Deewar - YC mentioned that he worked
> with Khayyam and was quite happy with his output. There was never a chance
> for working with Pancham. When he switched from Khayyam to Shiv-Hari - there
> was already a certain sensibility/taste defined for YC movies - that
> Shiv-Hari were able to deliver.
>
> The only question that remains unanswered is that with Aditya Chopra taking
> the helm in Yashraj banner - was there a scope for them to work with
> Pancham. I think - possibly yes - because of the type of movies that got
> produced - the style of music that started focussing on the fast and peppy
> romantic. (Ok...I am almost calling 'Neela Aasmaan' as a slow romantic
> number for old-timers :) )
>
> Perhaps Anshul can add more on his conversation. Members may also search
> thru the archives.
>
> Loin
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>, "arya_dixit"
> <dickrus@...> wrote:
> >
> > DEEWAR initially was meant to be a Rajesh Khanna starrer with Pm who was
> a natural choice at the time.
> >
> > It is only after Khanna fell out with Salim Jaaved that the project went
> to Bachchan.
> >
> > Dikshit
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>, Vishwas
> Nerurkar <vishwas.nerurkar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't agree with this theory of Yash Chopra's unhappiness. Lets see
> the
> > > filmography of Yash Chopra as director and the music directors worked
> with
> > > him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dhool Ka Phool – N. Dutta
> > >
> > > Dharmaputra – N. Dutta
> > >
> > > Waqt – Ravi
> > >
> > > Aadmi Aur Insaan – Ravi
> > >
> > > Daag – Laxmikant-Pyarelal
> > >
> > > Joshila – R.D. Burman
> > >
> > > Deewar – R.D. Burman
> > >
> > > Kabhi Kabhi – Khayyam
> > >
> > > Trishul – Khayyam
> > >
> > > Kala Patthar – Rajesh Roshan
> > >
> > > Silsila – Shiv-Hari
> > >
> > > Mashaal – Hridaynath Mangeshkar
> > >
> > > Faasle – Shiv-Hari
> > >
> > > Vijay – Shiv-Hari
> > >
> > > Chandani – Shiv-Hari
> > >
> > > Lamhe – Shiv-Hari
> > >
> > > Parampara – Shiv-Hari
> > >
> > > Darr – Shiv-Hari
> > >
> > > Dil To Paagal Hai – Uttam Singh
> > >
> > > Veer-Zara – Madan Mohan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Look at his directorial ventures, except Shiv-Hari, he never worked
> with and
> > > music director for more than two films. N.Dutta and Ravi were on B.R.
> > > Chopra's pay roll. Hence he had no choice but to manage with them.
> > > Laxmikant-Pyarelal, Rajesh Roshan, Hridaynath Mangeshkar and Uttam
> Singh
> > > gave good music to Daag, Kala Patthar, Mashal and Dil To Paagal Hai
> > > respectively but he never worked with them again. Other than Shiv-Hari
> he
> > > liked Khayyam and did four films with him – two under his direction as
> > > mentioned above and two under his production banner (Nakhuda and
> Sawaal).
> > > Looking at his method of working, it appears that he was mainly
> comfortable
> > > with Shiv-Hari and Khayyam. Both these music directors composed
> folk-based
> > > romantic tunes suited to his subjects and taste. By nature, he is very
> > > ronmantic person and likes to have soft music for his directorial
> ventures.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pancham's Joshila and Deewar really stand out in the crowd as far as
> his
> > > directorial ventures are concerned. There music is comparatively
> different
> > > and does not carry Yash Chopra stamp on it. Pancham must have got
> Joshila
> > > because of Dev Anand and Gulshan Rai. Pancham was favourite of both.
> Deewar,
> > > he must have got because of Gulshan Rai only. In early days director
> has to
> > > accept the set-up provided by the producers. Gulzaarsaab told me this.
> He
> > > said N.C. Sippy had already committed Salil Chaudhary one film under
> his
> > > banner. So when He was planning Mere Apne, Sippysaab insisted for Salil
> > > Chaudhary and Gulzaarsaab accepted it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The approach Yash Chopra catered about music directors in respect of
> his
> > > directorial ventures, he has continued for the films he has produced
> under
> > > his own banner. As far as music is concerned he hardly repeated anybody
> for
> > > more than two films.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While summing up, I would like to share one story about the mentality
> > > catered by Yash Chopra as far as his films music is concerned. After
> Hum Aap
> > > Ke Hain Kaun's success, Yash Chopra called Raam-Laxman for Dil To Pagal
> Hai.
> > > Raam-Laxman played few tunes to Yash Chopra and Pamela Chopra and they
> liked
> > > the music also. Suddenly Pamela Chopra requested Raam-Laxman to play
> one
> > > tune based on PAHADI raagini. Raam-Laxman, instead of obliging, asked
> her –
> > > What do you know about PAHADI? Please explain it first then only I will
> play
> > > it for you. Chopra's didn't approve of testing their knowledge by a
> music
> > > director like Ramm-Laxman and that film slipped out of the hands of
> > > Raam-Laxman.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vishwas
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Very True Rakeshbhai,
> > > >
> > > > Both the films were not YC productions but YC only directed
> > > > them.........but
> > > > YC wasn't too happy with the score though there was no scope for
> > > > music......he might be comparing to RD's best in those days.....for
> > > > information 2 songs were not chopped but only one because of
> > > > length...."Deewaron Ke Jungle" and the other song "Idhar Kaa Maal'
> was
> > > > chopped because of Emergency effect in those times ( by the censor
> board)
> > > > ........the other 3 songs, 2 duets and 1 mujra song were retained and
> also
> > > > the English song playing in background........
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ritesh, I feel before the film Deewaar had gone on floors-it was a
> low
> > > > key
> > > > > affair as it was of Gulshan Rai/Trimurty films & not Yashraj films,
> Yash
> > > > > Chopra only directed that film.My uncle used to tell me that a very
> small
> > > > ad
> > > > > used to come in the newspaper at the time of its(Deewar's) release
> > > > compared
> > > > > to other films.We can feel the effect in its music also as despite
> in
> > > > 1975
> > > > > the other films(Warrant,Aandhi, etc) have better effect than this
> film
> > > > > despite Amitabh/Yash chopra,etc.There was 5 songs recorded but
> except 2
> > > > all
> > > > > has been chopped(even though the film is not so long in
> duration).The
> > > > > duet-Maine tujhe manga is also chopped at 2nd para music.This shows
> that
> > > > the
> > > > > emphasise was given more on story/dialogues than songs.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@<rdgadhvi%
> > > > 40gmail.com>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@ <rdgadhvi%40gmail.com>>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures
> not
> > > > much
> > > > > utilised music of rd sab?
> > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com> <pancham%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 11:06 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget
> films.......
> > > > > and
> > > > > hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of
> top
> > > > > singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly
> > > > Yesudas,
> > > > > Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even
> Maine Pyar
> > > > > Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success
> they
> > > > > started
> > > > > production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh
> Behl
> > > > were
> > > > > comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort
> zone
> > > > > producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and
> jealousy as
> > > > > they were catering to different market segments.... .
> > > > >
> > > > > Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash
> Chopra
> > > > > himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
> > > > > Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too
> happy
> > > > > with
> > > > > Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never
> came
> > > > > together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and
> genre,
> > > > > there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt
> that
> > > > > Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why
> they
> > > > never
> > > > > came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in
> his
> > > > > prime
> > > > > and hence YC must have felt that way.........
> > > > >
> > > > > Ritesh Gadhvi
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
> > > > > vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were
> never
> > > > > after
> > > > > > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They
> were
> > > > > > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in
> bulk and
> > > > > can
> > > > > > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have
> introduced
> > > > many
> > > > > > new
> > > > > > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who
> were
> > > > > ready
> > > > > > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on
> their
> > > > > terms
> > > > > > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of
> music
> > > > in
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to
> their
> > > > films.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry
> when
> > > > > Rajashri
> > > > > > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that
> RD
> > > > > could
> > > > > > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they
> expect or
> > > > > > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since
> they were
> > > > > > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little
> > > > remuneration
> > > > > to
> > > > > > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he
> refused
> > > > > > "Aarti"
> > > > > > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him
> was
> > > > > very
> > > > > > less.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started
> changing.
> > > > They
> > > > > > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and
> musicians.
> > > > They
> > > > > > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures
> also
> > > > > got
> > > > > > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a
> year.
> > > > Now
> > > > > > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time
> Suraj
> > > > > took
> > > > > > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his
> > > > magic.
> > > > > > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all
> the
> > > > > > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I
> dont
> > > > see
> > > > > > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just
> a
> > > > matter
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > your own choice and comfort level.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vishwas
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan
> Kumar or
> > > > > > Mohan
> > > > > > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or
> Ramesh
> > > > > > Sippy
> > > > > > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential
> relationship
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers
> and many
> > > > > > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham
> only.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > "apciom"
> > > > >
> > > > > > > <apciom@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and
> yashraj
> > > > > > pictures
> > > > > > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there
> any
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The longish complicated antara structure or the reduced M1, M2 music?

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "Iyer, Ajit" <ajit.iyer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Chalo "Deewar" ki baat chali hai, to ek quick Quiz ho jaye? This is a
> bit technical, but fun anyways -
>
> The song "Maine Tujhe Manga" - What is peculiar about this song? In
> other words, what has RD done in this song which is quite unusual?
>
> -Ajit.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pancham@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pancham@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Ritesh Gadhvi
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:48 AM
> To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not
> much utilised music of rd sab?
>
> No, Deewar was not Yash Raj Production.....Gulshan Rai Produced
> it.......Trimurti Films....which now is run by his son Rajiv Rai......
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM, <nitinpatnia@...> wrote:
>
> > I think Deewar was Yash Raj production. So Lord did have a Yash Raj
> hit to
> > his credit.
> > Sent on my BlackBerry(r) from Vodafone Essar
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "shashirao" <shashirao@...>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:14
> > To: <pancham@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not much
> > utilised music of rd sab?
> >
> > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> Mohan
> > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> >
> > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> Sippy
> > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
> with
> > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "apciom" <apciom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> pictures
> > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > professional jelousy  or some thing?
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Ok...after Deewar and Rajshri - time for Barood and Chakkida.

Well...first things first:

1. Barood was not a small movie. In fact it was one of the most ambitious movies
from Pramod Chakravorthy banner. This movie was made after the stupendous
success of Jugnu. So much was the hangover - that this movie was made under the
banner of 'Jugnu Productions'. Pramod Chakravorthy had hit the big time. Barood
was made lavishly - shot entirely in European locations - Switzerland was
discovered much earlier than Chandni.

2. As for Shoma Anand - who knew she would become a character artist? When she
was launched with this movie - I am sure everyone involved with this movie had
aspirations of launching the next 'Hema Malini'.

3. The Stereo versus Mono release. This might be the only Pramod Chakravorthy
movie that was issued on Stereo. I don't think this was done to immortalize Dada
Burman's songs. They were simply part of an ambitious release. Of course
Chakkida burnt his fingers badly with this venture. So much so that he went back
to the Jugnu mould with his next venture Azaad - which brought him back his
glory. I wish Azaad was in Stereo.

My 2 cents and 1 red button
Loin

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@...> wrote:
>
> Barood (1976) one of the few last films of S.D.Burman released in 1976 but
songs are in STEREO. As the songs might have recorded almost a year back i.e in
1975 so this could be a 2nd movie of India in STEREO after Sholay.Can anyone
tell me why this film's music was given so much importance to be recorded in
STEREO as it might have cost high at that time inspite of the film had Shoma
Anand(newcomer) or any special abt the banner/story.May be Pramod Chakravorty or
RD wanted that the songs of this movie shud be a rememberance to S.D.Burman so
they had decided in STEREO or is it something else.  
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Something more to add to the Yashraj part of the discussion.

A few months or years back - our own group member Anshul Choubey - who is now an
accomplished cameraman in hindi films - had the opportunity to speak with Yash
Chopra himself.

Ankush was working on Jugal Hansraj's venture Roadside Romeo.

The gist of the conversation was that:

1. Yash Chopra himself admitted that the story of Deewar did not leave much
scope for songs. In fact the songs were added on distributors insistence.
Especially the 'Koi Marr Jaaye' number.

2. As for not working together after Deewar - YC mentioned that he worked with
Khayyam and was quite happy with his output. There was never a chance for
working with Pancham. When he switched from Khayyam to Shiv-Hari - there was
already a certain sensibility/taste defined for YC movies - that Shiv-Hari were
able to deliver.

The only question that remains unanswered is that with Aditya Chopra taking the
helm in Yashraj banner - was there a scope for them to work with Pancham. I
think - possibly yes - because of the type of movies that got produced - the
style of music that started focussing on the fast and peppy romantic. (Ok...I am
almost calling 'Neela Aasmaan' as a slow romantic number for old-timers :) )

Perhaps Anshul can add more on his conversation. Members may also search thru
the archives.

Loin

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "arya_dixit" <dickrus@...> wrote:
>
> DEEWAR initially was meant to be a Rajesh Khanna starrer with Pm who was a
natural choice at the time.
>
> It is only after Khanna fell out with Salim Jaaved that the project went to
Bachchan.
>
> Dikshit
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, Vishwas Nerurkar <vishwas.nerurkar@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't agree with this theory of Yash Chopra's unhappiness. Lets see the
> > filmography of Yash Chopra as director and the music directors worked with
> > him.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dhool Ka Phool – N. Dutta
> >
> > Dharmaputra – N. Dutta
> >
> > Waqt – Ravi
> >
> > Aadmi Aur Insaan – Ravi
> >
> > Daag – Laxmikant-Pyarelal
> >
> > Joshila – R.D. Burman
> >
> > Deewar – R.D. Burman
> >
> > Kabhi Kabhi – Khayyam
> >
> > Trishul – Khayyam
> >
> > Kala Patthar – Rajesh Roshan
> >
> > Silsila – Shiv-Hari
> >
> > Mashaal – Hridaynath Mangeshkar
> >
> > Faasle – Shiv-Hari
> >
> > Vijay – Shiv-Hari
> >
> > Chandani – Shiv-Hari
> >
> > Lamhe – Shiv-Hari
> >
> > Parampara – Shiv-Hari
> >
> > Darr – Shiv-Hari
> >
> > Dil To Paagal Hai – Uttam Singh
> >
> > Veer-Zara – Madan Mohan
> >
> >
> >
> > Look at his directorial ventures, except Shiv-Hari, he never worked with and
> > music director for more than two films. N.Dutta and Ravi were on B.R.
> > Chopra's pay roll. Hence he had no choice but to manage with them.
> > Laxmikant-Pyarelal, Rajesh Roshan, Hridaynath Mangeshkar and Uttam Singh
> > gave good music to Daag, Kala Patthar, Mashal and Dil To Paagal Hai
> > respectively but he never worked with them again. Other than Shiv-Hari he
> > liked Khayyam and did four films with him – two under his direction as
> > mentioned above and two under his production banner (Nakhuda and Sawaal).
> > Looking at his method of working, it appears that he was mainly comfortable
> > with Shiv-Hari and Khayyam. Both these music directors composed folk-based
> > romantic tunes suited to his subjects and taste. By nature, he is very
> > ronmantic person and likes to have soft music for his directorial ventures.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pancham's Joshila and Deewar really stand out in the crowd as far as his
> > directorial ventures are concerned. There music is comparatively different
> > and does not carry Yash Chopra stamp on it. Pancham must have got Joshila
> > because of Dev Anand and Gulshan Rai. Pancham was favourite of both. Deewar,
> > he must have got because of Gulshan Rai only. In early days director has to
> > accept the set-up provided by the producers. Gulzaarsaab told me this. He
> > said N.C. Sippy had already committed Salil Chaudhary one film under his
> > banner. So when He was planning Mere Apne, Sippysaab insisted for Salil
> > Chaudhary and Gulzaarsaab accepted it.
> >
> >
> >
> > The approach Yash Chopra catered about music directors in respect of his
> > directorial ventures, he has continued for the films he has produced under
> > his own banner. As far as music is concerned he hardly repeated anybody for
> > more than two films.
> >
> >
> >
> > While summing up, I would like to share one story about the mentality
> > catered by Yash Chopra as far as his films music is concerned. After Hum Aap
> > Ke Hain Kaun's success, Yash Chopra called Raam-Laxman for Dil To Pagal Hai.
> > Raam-Laxman played few tunes to Yash Chopra and Pamela Chopra and they liked
> > the music also. Suddenly Pamela Chopra requested Raam-Laxman to play one
> > tune based on PAHADI raagini. Raam-Laxman, instead of obliging, asked her –
> > What do you know about PAHADI? Please explain it first then only I will play
> > it for you. Chopra's didn't approve of testing their knowledge by a music
> > director like Ramm-Laxman and that film slipped out of the hands of
> > Raam-Laxman.
> >
> >
> >
> > Vishwas
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@> wrote:
> >
> > > Very True Rakeshbhai,
> > >
> > > Both the films were not YC productions but YC only directed
> > > them.........but
> > > YC wasn't too happy with the score though there was no scope for
> > > music......he might be comparing to RD's best in those days.....for
> > > information 2 songs were not chopped but only one because of
> > > length...."Deewaron Ke Jungle" and the other song "Idhar Kaa Maal' was
> > > chopped because of Emergency effect in those times ( by the censor board)
> > > ........the other 3 songs, 2 duets and 1 mujra song were retained and also
> > > the English song playing in background........
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ritesh, I feel before the film Deewaar had gone on floors-it was a low
> > > key
> > > > affair as it was of Gulshan Rai/Trimurty films & not Yashraj films, Yash
> > > > Chopra only directed that film.My uncle used to tell me that a very
small
> > > ad
> > > > used to come in the newspaper at the time of its(Deewar's) release
> > > compared
> > > > to other films.We can feel the effect in its music also as despite in
> > > 1975
> > > > the other films(Warrant,Aandhi, etc) have better effect than this film
> > > > despite Amitabh/Yash chopra,etc.There was 5 songs recorded but except 2
> > > all
> > > > has been chopped(even though the film is not so long in duration).The
> > > > duet-Maine tujhe manga is also chopped at 2nd para music.This shows that
> > > the
> > > > emphasise was given more on story/dialogues than songs.
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@<rdgadhvi%
> > > 40gmail.com>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@ <rdgadhvi%40gmail.com>>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not
> > > much
> > > > utilised music of rd sab?
> > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >  > Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 11:06 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget
films.......
> > > > and
> > > > hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of top
> > > > singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly
> > > Yesudas,
> > > > Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine
Pyar
> > > > Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they
> > > > started
> > > > production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh Behl
> > > were
> > > > comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort zone
> > > > producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and jealousy
as
> > > > they were catering to different market segments.... .
> > > >
> > > > Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash Chopra
> > > > himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
> > > > Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too happy
> > > > with
> > > > Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never came
> > > > together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and genre,
> > > > there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt that
> > > > Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why they
> > > never
> > > > came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in his
> > > > prime
> > > > and hence YC must have felt that way.........
> > > >
> > > > Ritesh Gadhvi
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
> > > > vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never
> > > > after
> > > > > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> > > > > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and
> > > > can
> > > > > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced
> > > many
> > > > > new
> > > > > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were
> > > > ready
> > > > > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their
> > > > terms
> > > > > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music
> > > in
> > > > > for
> > > > > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their
> > > films.
> > > > >
> > > > > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when
> > > > Rajashri
> > > > > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD
> > > > could
> > > > > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> > > > > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they
were
> > > > > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little
> > > remuneration
> > > > to
> > > > > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
> > > > > "Aarti"
> > > > > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was
> > > > very
> > > > > less.
> > > > >
> > > > > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing.
> > > They
> > > > > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians.
> > > They
> > > > > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also
> > > > got
> > > > > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year.
> > > Now
> > > > > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj
> > > > took
> > > > > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his
> > > magic.
> > > > > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> > > > >
> > > > > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> > > > > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont
> > > see
> > > > > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a
> > > matter
> > > > > of
> > > > > your own choice and comfort level.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vishwas
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar
or
> > > > > Mohan
> > > > > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or
Ramesh
> > > > > Sippy
> > > > > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential
relationship
> > > > > with
> > > > > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and
many
> > > > > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>,
> > > "apciom"
> > > >
> > > > > > <apciom@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> > > > > pictures
> > > > > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > > > > > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > ------------ --------- --------
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > > > +91 98795 98577
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> > > +91 98795 98577
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>

Dixit-moshai,

I would state it a bit differently. Rajshri productions was no small beans in
the hindi movie industry. However their own ventures - the movies they made had
a smaller setup. Most of their movies starting from Dosti, Saudagar thru
Chitchor - had the staple set of technicians.

These were standard directors like Hiren Nag or Basu Chatterjee. Musicians were
usually Ravindra Jain or Raam Laxman.

Even their movie story lines were of a standard nature. In fact in the 70s Agent
Vinod stands out like a sore thumb due to its non-family style story.

So although I would agree with you on Rajshri Productions were no small fries -
I would tend to agree with Vishwas that when it came to making movies - they had
a set (aka limited) budget - and usually strayed away from the top-notch
composers, stars and musicians.

Sooraj Barjatya did attempt to break the mould - by "modernizing" the banner.
But after getting his fingers burned with the Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon - he
returned back to remaking old Rajshri movies with Vivaah.

Coming to Pancham - its not that Pancham did not work with small movie setups -
there is a whole list of B and C grade and small budget movies in his career.

However working with a banner like Rajshri Productions or Yashraj Films needs a
relationship - a long term one. Where one needs to understand their
sensibilities, requirements and movie making techniques. One also need to agree
with these.

And to me - Pancham seemed to stay away from the social and mythological
ventures. Perhaps there was never such a relationship initiated - thus they
never worked together.

My 2 cents
Loin

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "arya_dixit" <dickrus@...> wrote:
>
>
> Vishwasbhau,
>
> I agree RAJSHRI's choices in its home productions were deliberate  value for
money propositions .
>
> However RAJSHRI was no  small timer. Barjatya was a big financier with a very
successful distribution business. He had been distributing blockbusters since
1947. Chandralekha, Baiju Bawra being some of the earlier big films.
>
> Rajshri produced its first film in 1962 (Sharda) starring Raj Kapurand Meena
Kumari both big stars.
>
> Barjatya has been known to force changes in many of the films he financed that
he saw commercially desirable.
>
>  Pm did play a role in RAJSHRI productions when he played mouth organ for LP
in DOSTI which was RAJSHRI's landmark hit.
>
> Dikshit
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, Vishwas Nerurkar <vishwas.nerurkar@> wrote:
> >
> > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never after
> > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and can
> > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many new
> > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were ready
> > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their terms
> > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in for
> > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.
> >
> > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when Rajashri
> > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD could
> > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration to
> > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused "Aarti"
> > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was very
> > less.
> >
> > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
> > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
> > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also got
> > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
> > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj took
> > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
> > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> >
> > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
> > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter of
> > your own choice and comfort level.
> >
> > Vishwas
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
Mohan
> > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > >
> > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
Sippy
> > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship with
> > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>, "apciom"
> > > <apciom@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj pictures
> > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

DEEWAR initially was meant to be a Rajesh Khanna starrer with Pm who was a
natural choice at the time.

It is only after Khanna fell out with Salim Jaaved that the project went to
Bachchan.

Dikshit

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, Vishwas Nerurkar <vishwas.nerurkar@...> wrote:
>
> I don't agree with this theory of Yash Chopra's unhappiness. Lets see the
> filmography of Yash Chopra as director and the music directors worked with
> him.
>
>
>
> Dhool Ka Phool – N. Dutta
>
> Dharmaputra – N. Dutta
>
> Waqt – Ravi
>
> Aadmi Aur Insaan – Ravi
>
> Daag – Laxmikant-Pyarelal
>
> Joshila – R.D. Burman
>
> Deewar – R.D. Burman
>
> Kabhi Kabhi – Khayyam
>
> Trishul – Khayyam
>
> Kala Patthar – Rajesh Roshan
>
> Silsila – Shiv-Hari
>
> Mashaal – Hridaynath Mangeshkar
>
> Faasle – Shiv-Hari
>
> Vijay – Shiv-Hari
>
> Chandani – Shiv-Hari
>
> Lamhe – Shiv-Hari
>
> Parampara – Shiv-Hari
>
> Darr – Shiv-Hari
>
> Dil To Paagal Hai – Uttam Singh
>
> Veer-Zara – Madan Mohan
>
>
>
> Look at his directorial ventures, except Shiv-Hari, he never worked with and
> music director for more than two films. N.Dutta and Ravi were on B.R.
> Chopra's pay roll. Hence he had no choice but to manage with them.
> Laxmikant-Pyarelal, Rajesh Roshan, Hridaynath Mangeshkar and Uttam Singh
> gave good music to Daag, Kala Patthar, Mashal and Dil To Paagal Hai
> respectively but he never worked with them again. Other than Shiv-Hari he
> liked Khayyam and did four films with him – two under his direction as
> mentioned above and two under his production banner (Nakhuda and Sawaal).
> Looking at his method of working, it appears that he was mainly comfortable
> with Shiv-Hari and Khayyam. Both these music directors composed folk-based
> romantic tunes suited to his subjects and taste. By nature, he is very
> ronmantic person and likes to have soft music for his directorial ventures.
>
>
>
> Pancham's Joshila and Deewar really stand out in the crowd as far as his
> directorial ventures are concerned. There music is comparatively different
> and does not carry Yash Chopra stamp on it. Pancham must have got Joshila
> because of Dev Anand and Gulshan Rai. Pancham was favourite of both. Deewar,
> he must have got because of Gulshan Rai only. In early days director has to
> accept the set-up provided by the producers. Gulzaarsaab told me this. He
> said N.C. Sippy had already committed Salil Chaudhary one film under his
> banner. So when He was planning Mere Apne, Sippysaab insisted for Salil
> Chaudhary and Gulzaarsaab accepted it.
>
>
>
> The approach Yash Chopra catered about music directors in respect of his
> directorial ventures, he has continued for the films he has produced under
> his own banner. As far as music is concerned he hardly repeated anybody for
> more than two films.
>
>
>
> While summing up, I would like to share one story about the mentality
> catered by Yash Chopra as far as his films music is concerned. After Hum Aap
> Ke Hain Kaun's success, Yash Chopra called Raam-Laxman for Dil To Pagal Hai.
> Raam-Laxman played few tunes to Yash Chopra and Pamela Chopra and they liked
> the music also. Suddenly Pamela Chopra requested Raam-Laxman to play one
> tune based on PAHADI raagini. Raam-Laxman, instead of obliging, asked her –
> What do you know about PAHADI? Please explain it first then only I will play
> it for you. Chopra's didn't approve of testing their knowledge by a music
> director like Ramm-Laxman and that film slipped out of the hands of
> Raam-Laxman.
>
>
>
> Vishwas
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...> wrote:
>
> > Very True Rakeshbhai,
> >
> > Both the films were not YC productions but YC only directed
> > them.........but
> > YC wasn't too happy with the score though there was no scope for
> > music......he might be comparing to RD's best in those days.....for
> > information 2 songs were not chopped but only one because of
> > length...."Deewaron Ke Jungle" and the other song "Idhar Kaa Maal' was
> > chopped because of Emergency effect in those times ( by the censor board)
> > ........the other 3 songs, 2 duets and 1 mujra song were retained and also
> > the English song playing in background........
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@...
> > >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ritesh, I feel before the film Deewaar had gone on floors-it was a low
> > key
> > > affair as it was of Gulshan Rai/Trimurty films & not Yashraj films, Yash
> > > Chopra only directed that film.My uncle used to tell me that a very small
> > ad
> > > used to come in the newspaper at the time of its(Deewar's) release
> > compared
> > > to other films.We can feel the effect in its music also as despite in
> > 1975
> > > the other films(Warrant,Aandhi, etc) have better effect than this film
> > > despite Amitabh/Yash chopra,etc.There was 5 songs recorded but except 2
> > all
> > > has been chopped(even though the film is not so long in duration).The
> > > duet-Maine tujhe manga is also chopped at 2nd para music.This shows that
> > the
> > > emphasise was given more on story/dialogues than songs.
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...<rdgadhvi%
> > 40gmail.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@... <rdgadhvi%40gmail.com>>
> > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not
> > much
> > > utilised music of rd sab?
> > > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>
> >  > Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 11:06 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget films.......
> > > and
> > > hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of top
> > > singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly
> > Yesudas,
> > > Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine Pyar
> > > Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they
> > > started
> > > production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh Behl
> > were
> > > comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort zone
> > > producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and jealousy as
> > > they were catering to different market segments.... .
> > >
> > > Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash Chopra
> > > himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
> > > Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too happy
> > > with
> > > Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never came
> > > together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and genre,
> > > there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt that
> > > Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why they
> > never
> > > came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in his
> > > prime
> > > and hence YC must have felt that way.........
> > >
> > > Ritesh Gadhvi
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
> > > vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never
> > > after
> > > > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> > > > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and
> > > can
> > > > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced
> > many
> > > > new
> > > > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were
> > > ready
> > > > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their
> > > terms
> > > > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music
> > in
> > > > for
> > > > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their
> > films.
> > > >
> > > > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when
> > > Rajashri
> > > > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD
> > > could
> > > > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> > > > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> > > > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little
> > remuneration
> > > to
> > > > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
> > > > "Aarti"
> > > > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was
> > > very
> > > > less.
> > > >
> > > > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing.
> > They
> > > > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians.
> > They
> > > > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also
> > > got
> > > > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year.
> > Now
> > > > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj
> > > took
> > > > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his
> > magic.
> > > > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> > > >
> > > > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> > > > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont
> > see
> > > > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a
> > matter
> > > > of
> > > > your own choice and comfort level.
> > > >
> > > > Vishwas
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> > > > Mohan
> > > > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> > > > Sippy
> > > > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
> > > > with
> > > > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > > > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>,
> > "apciom"
> > >
> > > > > <apciom@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> > > > pictures
> > > > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > > > > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > ------------ --------- --------
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > +91 98795 98577
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
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>

Vishwasbhau,

I agree RAJSHRI's choices in its home productions were deliberate  value for
money propositions .

However RAJSHRI was no  small timer. Barjatya was a big financier with a very
successful distribution business. He had been distributing blockbusters since
1947. Chandralekha, Baiju Bawra being some of the earlier big films.

Rajshri produced its first film in 1962 (Sharda) starring Raj Kapurand Meena
Kumari both big stars.

Barjatya has been known to force changes in many of the films he financed that
he saw commercially desirable.

  Pm did play a role in RAJSHRI productions when he played mouth organ for LP in
DOSTI which was RAJSHRI's landmark hit.

Dikshit








--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, Vishwas Nerurkar <vishwas.nerurkar@...> wrote:
>
> If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never after
> big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and can
> work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many new
> talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were ready
> to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their terms
> and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in for
> their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.
>
> Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when Rajashri
> was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD could
> not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration to
> their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused "Aarti"
> (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was very
> less.
>
> After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
> started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
> started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also got
> delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
> they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj took
> over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
> Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
>
> When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
> any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter of
> your own choice and comfort level.
>
> Vishwas
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or Mohan
> > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> >
> > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh Sippy
> > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship with
> > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> >
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>, "apciom"
> > <apciom@> wrote:
> > >
> > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj pictures
> > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Chalo "Deewar" ki baat chali hai, to ek quick Quiz ho jaye? This is a
bit technical, but fun anyways -

The song "Maine Tujhe Manga" - What is peculiar about this song? In
other words, what has RD done in this song which is quite unusual?

-Ajit.


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Of Ritesh Gadhvi
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To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not
much utilised music of rd sab?

No, Deewar was not Yash Raj Production.....Gulshan Rai Produced
it.......Trimurti Films....which now is run by his son Rajiv Rai......

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM, <nitinpatnia@...> wrote:

> I think Deewar was Yash Raj production. So Lord did have a Yash Raj
hit to
> his credit.
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> From: "shashirao" <shashirao@...>
> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:14
> To: <pancham@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not much
> utilised music of rd sab?
>
> No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
Mohan
> Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
>
> Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
Sippy
> - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
with
> certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "apciom" <apciom@...> wrote:
> >
> > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
pictures
> that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> professional jelousy  or some thing?
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No, Deewar was not Yash Raj Production.....Gulshan Rai Produced
it.......Trimurti Films....which now is run by his son Rajiv Rai......

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:46 PM, <nitinpatnia@...> wrote:

> I think Deewar was Yash Raj production. So Lord did have a Yash Raj hit to
> his credit.
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> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:14
> To: <pancham@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not much
> utilised music of rd sab?
>
> No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or Mohan
> Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
>
> Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh Sippy
> - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship with
> certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "apciom" <apciom@...> wrote:
> >
> > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj pictures
> that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
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Ritesh ji
As far my information goes Deewar was written songless and its only on the
insistance of Gulshan rai the great, songs were inserted which is very obivious
if u watch the movie...i think this conclusion is too far that YC was not
happy  with songs ..YC has its own style and taste..may be RD was not fit in
that or vice versa...u can also put RK in same category


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From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...>
Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not much
utilised music of rd sab?
To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 5:36 AM


 



Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget films....... and
hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of top
singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly Yesudas,
Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine Pyar
Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they started
production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh Behl were
comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort zone
producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and jealousy as
they were catering to different market segments.... .

Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash Chopra
himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too happy with
Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never came
together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and genre,
there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt that
Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why they never
came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in his prime
and hence YC must have felt that way.........

Ritesh Gadhvi

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:

> If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never after
> big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and can
> work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many
> new
> talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were ready
> to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their terms
> and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in
> for
> their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.
>
> Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when Rajashri
> was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD could
> not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration to
> their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
> "Aarti"
> (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was very
> less.
>
> After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
> started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
> started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also got
> delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
> they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj took
> over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
> Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
>
> When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
> any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter
> of
> your own choice and comfort level.
>
> Vishwas
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> Mohan
> > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> >
> > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> Sippy
> > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
> with
> > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> >
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>, "apciom"
> > <apciom@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> pictures
> > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > >
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I think Deewar was Yash Raj production. So Lord did have a Yash Raj hit to his
credit.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "shashirao" <shashirao@...>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:12:14
To: <pancham@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not much utilised
music of rd sab?

No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or Mohan
Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.

Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh Sippy -
Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship with certain
composers. I think there was room for many producers and many composers -
without the need for them to work with Pancham only.

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "apciom" <apciom@...> wrote:
>
> it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj pictures that
they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any professional
jelousy  or some thing?
>





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These guys had BIG egos back then for sure :)
Not sure how Panchamda would've reacted to a request of this nature.


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From: pancham@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pancham@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Vishwas Nerurkar
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 5:24 AM
To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not
much utilised music of rd sab?

I don't agree with this theory of Yash Chopra's unhappiness. Lets see
the
filmography of Yash Chopra as director and the music directors worked
with
him.



Dhool Ka Phool - N. Dutta

Dharmaputra - N. Dutta

Waqt - Ravi

Aadmi Aur Insaan - Ravi

Daag - Laxmikant-Pyarelal

Joshila - R.D. Burman

Deewar - R.D. Burman

Kabhi Kabhi - Khayyam

Trishul - Khayyam

Kala Patthar - Rajesh Roshan

Silsila - Shiv-Hari

Mashaal - Hridaynath Mangeshkar

Faasle - Shiv-Hari

Vijay - Shiv-Hari

Chandani - Shiv-Hari

Lamhe - Shiv-Hari

Parampara - Shiv-Hari

Darr - Shiv-Hari

Dil To Paagal Hai - Uttam Singh

Veer-Zara - Madan Mohan



Look at his directorial ventures, except Shiv-Hari, he never worked with
and
music director for more than two films. N.Dutta and Ravi were on B.R.
Chopra's pay roll. Hence he had no choice but to manage with them.
Laxmikant-Pyarelal, Rajesh Roshan, Hridaynath Mangeshkar and Uttam Singh
gave good music to Daag, Kala Patthar, Mashal and Dil To Paagal Hai
respectively but he never worked with them again. Other than Shiv-Hari
he
liked Khayyam and did four films with him - two under his direction as
mentioned above and two under his production banner (Nakhuda and
Sawaal).
Looking at his method of working, it appears that he was mainly
comfortable
with Shiv-Hari and Khayyam. Both these music directors composed
folk-based
romantic tunes suited to his subjects and taste. By nature, he is very
ronmantic person and likes to have soft music for his directorial
ventures.



Pancham's Joshila and Deewar really stand out in the crowd as far as his
directorial ventures are concerned. There music is comparatively
different
and does not carry Yash Chopra stamp on it. Pancham must have got
Joshila
because of Dev Anand and Gulshan Rai. Pancham was favourite of both.
Deewar,
he must have got because of Gulshan Rai only. In early days director has
to
accept the set-up provided by the producers. Gulzaarsaab told me this.
He
said N.C. Sippy had already committed Salil Chaudhary one film under his
banner. So when He was planning Mere Apne, Sippysaab insisted for Salil
Chaudhary and Gulzaarsaab accepted it.



The approach Yash Chopra catered about music directors in respect of his
directorial ventures, he has continued for the films he has produced
under
his own banner. As far as music is concerned he hardly repeated anybody
for
more than two films.



While summing up, I would like to share one story about the mentality
catered by Yash Chopra as far as his films music is concerned. After Hum
Aap
Ke Hain Kaun's success, Yash Chopra called Raam-Laxman for Dil To Pagal
Hai.
Raam-Laxman played few tunes to Yash Chopra and Pamela Chopra and they
liked
the music also. Suddenly Pamela Chopra requested Raam-Laxman to play one
tune based on PAHADI raagini. Raam-Laxman, instead of obliging, asked
her -
What do you know about PAHADI? Please explain it first then only I will
play
it for you. Chopra's didn't approve of testing their knowledge by a
music
director like Ramm-Laxman and that film slipped out of the hands of
Raam-Laxman.



Vishwas


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...>
wrote:

> Very True Rakeshbhai,
>
> Both the films were not YC productions but YC only directed
> them.........but
> YC wasn't too happy with the score though there was no scope for
> music......he might be comparing to RD's best in those days.....for
> information 2 songs were not chopped but only one because of
> length...."Deewaron Ke Jungle" and the other song "Idhar Kaa Maal' was
> chopped because of Emergency effect in those times ( by the censor
board)
> ........the other 3 songs, 2 duets and 1 mujra song were retained and
also
> the English song playing in background........
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rakesh modi
<rakeshmodi14@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ritesh, I feel before the film Deewaar had gone on floors-it was a
low
> key
> > affair as it was of Gulshan Rai/Trimurty films & not Yashraj films,
Yash
> > Chopra only directed that film.My uncle used to tell me that a very
small
> ad
> > used to come in the newspaper at the time of its(Deewar's) release
> compared
> > to other films.We can feel the effect in its music also as despite
in
> 1975
> > the other films(Warrant,Aandhi, etc) have better effect than this
film
> > despite Amitabh/Yash chopra,etc.There was 5 songs recorded but
except 2
> all
> > has been chopped(even though the film is not so long in
duration).The
> > duet-Maine tujhe manga is also chopped at 2nd para music.This shows
that
> the
> > emphasise was given more on story/dialogues than songs.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...<rdgadhvi%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@... <rdgadhvi%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures
not
> much
> > utilised music of rd sab?
> > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 11:06 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget
films.......
> > and
> > hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of
top
> > singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly
> Yesudas,
> > Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine
Pyar
> > Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they
> > started
> > production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh
Behl
> were
> > comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort
zone
> > producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and
jealousy as
> > they were catering to different market segments.... .
> >
> > Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash
Chopra
> > himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
> > Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too
happy
> > with
> > Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never
came
> > together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and
genre,
> > there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt
that
> > Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why
they
> never
> > came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in
his
> > prime
> > and hence YC must have felt that way.........
> >
> > Ritesh Gadhvi
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
> > vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were
never
> > after
> > > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They
were
> > > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk
and
> > can
> > > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have
introduced
> many
> > > new
> > > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who
were
> > ready
> > > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on
their
> > terms
> > > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of
music
> in
> > > for
> > > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their
> films.
> > >
> > > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when
> > Rajashri
> > > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that
RD
> > could
> > > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect
or
> > > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they
were
> > > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little
> remuneration
> > to
> > > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he
refused
> > > "Aarti"
> > > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him
was
> > very
> > > less.
> > >
> > > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started
changing.
> They
> > > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and
musicians.
> They
> > > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures
also
> > got
> > > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a
year.
> Now
> > > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time
Suraj
> > took
> > > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his
> magic.
> > > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> > >
> > > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all
the
> > > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I
dont
> see
> > > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a
> matter
> > > of
> > > your own choice and comfort level.
> > >
> > > Vishwas
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan
Kumar or
> > > Mohan
> > > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > > >
> > > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or
Ramesh
> > > Sippy
> > > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential
relationship
> > > with
> > > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and
many
> > > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>,
> "apciom"
> >
> > > > <apciom@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and
yashraj
> > > pictures
> > > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there
any
> > > > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > > > >
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I don’t agree with this theory of Yash Chopra’s unhappiness. Lets see the
filmography of Yash Chopra as director and the music directors worked with
him.



Dhool Ka Phool – N. Dutta

Dharmaputra – N. Dutta

Waqt – Ravi

Aadmi Aur Insaan – Ravi

Daag – Laxmikant-Pyarelal

Joshila – R.D. Burman

Deewar – R.D. Burman

Kabhi Kabhi – Khayyam

Trishul – Khayyam

Kala Patthar – Rajesh Roshan

Silsila – Shiv-Hari

Mashaal – Hridaynath Mangeshkar

Faasle – Shiv-Hari

Vijay – Shiv-Hari

Chandani – Shiv-Hari

Lamhe – Shiv-Hari

Parampara – Shiv-Hari

Darr – Shiv-Hari

Dil To Paagal Hai – Uttam Singh

Veer-Zara – Madan Mohan



Look at his directorial ventures, except Shiv-Hari, he never worked with and
music director for more than two films. N.Dutta and Ravi were on B.R.
Chopra’s pay roll. Hence he had no choice but to manage with them.
Laxmikant-Pyarelal, Rajesh Roshan, Hridaynath Mangeshkar and Uttam Singh
gave good music to Daag, Kala Patthar, Mashal and Dil To Paagal Hai
respectively but he never worked with them again. Other than Shiv-Hari he
liked Khayyam and did four films with him – two under his direction as
mentioned above and two under his production banner (Nakhuda and Sawaal).
Looking at his method of working, it appears that he was mainly comfortable
with Shiv-Hari and Khayyam. Both these music directors composed folk-based
romantic tunes suited to his subjects and taste. By nature, he is very
ronmantic person and likes to have soft music for his directorial ventures.



Pancham’s Joshila and Deewar really stand out in the crowd as far as his
directorial ventures are concerned. There music is comparatively different
and does not carry Yash Chopra stamp on it. Pancham must have got Joshila
because of Dev Anand and Gulshan Rai. Pancham was favourite of both. Deewar,
he must have got because of Gulshan Rai only. In early days director has to
accept the set-up provided by the producers. Gulzaarsaab told me this. He
said N.C. Sippy had already committed Salil Chaudhary one film under his
banner. So when He was planning Mere Apne, Sippysaab insisted for Salil
Chaudhary and Gulzaarsaab accepted it.



The approach Yash Chopra catered about music directors in respect of his
directorial ventures, he has continued for the films he has produced under
his own banner. As far as music is concerned he hardly repeated anybody for
more than two films.



While summing up, I would like to share one story about the mentality
catered by Yash Chopra as far as his films music is concerned. After Hum Aap
Ke Hain Kaun’s success, Yash Chopra called Raam-Laxman for Dil To Pagal Hai.
Raam-Laxman played few tunes to Yash Chopra and Pamela Chopra and they liked
the music also. Suddenly Pamela Chopra requested Raam-Laxman to play one
tune based on PAHADI raagini. Raam-Laxman, instead of obliging, asked her –
What do you know about PAHADI? Please explain it first then only I will play
it for you. Chopra’s didn’t approve of testing their knowledge by a music
director like Ramm-Laxman and that film slipped out of the hands of
Raam-Laxman.



Vishwas


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...> wrote:

> Very True Rakeshbhai,
>
> Both the films were not YC productions but YC only directed
> them.........but
> YC wasn't too happy with the score though there was no scope for
> music......he might be comparing to RD's best in those days.....for
> information 2 songs were not chopped but only one because of
> length...."Deewaron Ke Jungle" and the other song "Idhar Kaa Maal' was
> chopped because of Emergency effect in those times ( by the censor board)
> ........the other 3 songs, 2 duets and 1 mujra song were retained and also
> the English song playing in background........
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@...
> >wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Ritesh, I feel before the film Deewaar had gone on floors-it was a low
> key
> > affair as it was of Gulshan Rai/Trimurty films & not Yashraj films, Yash
> > Chopra only directed that film.My uncle used to tell me that a very small
> ad
> > used to come in the newspaper at the time of its(Deewar's) release
> compared
> > to other films.We can feel the effect in its music also as despite in
> 1975
> > the other films(Warrant,Aandhi, etc) have better effect than this film
> > despite Amitabh/Yash chopra,etc.There was 5 songs recorded but except 2
> all
> > has been chopped(even though the film is not so long in duration).The
> > duet-Maine tujhe manga is also chopped at 2nd para music.This shows that
> the
> > emphasise was given more on story/dialogues than songs.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...<rdgadhvi%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@... <rdgadhvi%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not
> much
> > utilised music of rd sab?
> > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>
>  > Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 11:06 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget films.......
> > and
> > hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of top
> > singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly
> Yesudas,
> > Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine Pyar
> > Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they
> > started
> > production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh Behl
> were
> > comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort zone
> > producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and jealousy as
> > they were catering to different market segments.... .
> >
> > Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash Chopra
> > himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
> > Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too happy
> > with
> > Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never came
> > together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and genre,
> > there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt that
> > Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why they
> never
> > came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in his
> > prime
> > and hence YC must have felt that way.........
> >
> > Ritesh Gadhvi
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
> > vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never
> > after
> > > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> > > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and
> > can
> > > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced
> many
> > > new
> > > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were
> > ready
> > > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their
> > terms
> > > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music
> in
> > > for
> > > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their
> films.
> > >
> > > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when
> > Rajashri
> > > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD
> > could
> > > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> > > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> > > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little
> remuneration
> > to
> > > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
> > > "Aarti"
> > > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was
> > very
> > > less.
> > >
> > > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing.
> They
> > > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians.
> They
> > > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also
> > got
> > > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year.
> Now
> > > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj
> > took
> > > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his
> magic.
> > > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> > >
> > > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> > > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont
> see
> > > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a
> matter
> > > of
> > > your own choice and comfort level.
> > >
> > > Vishwas
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> > > Mohan
> > > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > > >
> > > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> > > Sippy
> > > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
> > > with
> > > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>,
> "apciom"
> >
> > > > <apciom@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> > > pictures
> > > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > > > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > +91 98795 98577
> >
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Shashi,

If not a double hundred, Pancham did score a century with Ehsaan. Out of the six
songs, Lata's "pyaasa mera dil" alone can take on any of the classic
Lata-Pancham numbers of the seventies. Outstanding orchestration, build-up (that
rhythmic "ding-ding" is mind-blowing), and rendition. Following this gem closely
are Asha's solos "yeh jhalak" and "aayee hoon main." Those were the days when
the vamp songs used to be so peppy, yet melodious. And who can forget the funny
duet "aajaa tujhe pyar kar loon" by Kishore and Asha. Pity, it was picturized on
Rajendra Nath and his heroine. This song has a fantastic beat and pace. I was
lucky to listen to the EP of Ehsaan...the recording quality is awesome.
Unfortunately the LP is close to unattainable!!! Am still hopeful, though, that
before I die I am able to listen to this LP.

The two Rafi songs are kind of okay, if not the tops...but that doesn't harm the
album one bit. Good to have variety, right?

Puraskar too had its magnificent moments, with the dazzling cabaret "yeh
nasheeli yeh nasheeli" by Asha Bhosle and the heart-warming romance of "nateeja
hamari mohabbat ka." The former should feature among the best cabaret numbers
sung by Asha. "Nateeja," I guess, needed Mukesh's voice...I don't know how
Kishore or Rafi would have sung it. The song is soaked in sugar...so sweet is
the effect...very soft orchestration, and so very romantic.

Of course, Asha Bhosle comes up with yet another winner in "dekh to kya hai."
You must go home and listen to how she does the antaras of this one. Amazing
breath control!

Mukesh and Asha get another duet, "ae meri jaan," the weak point of the album.
This one is the farthest from the Pancham touch, in my opinion.

And what can one write about Pancham's first (?) attempt with Mahendra Kapoor:
nazar mein bijli. I must say I like the song...and would have loved it more had
Pancham voiced it. This one was made for Pancham's voice. Just
imagine...Pancham's voice doing the soft stanzas and hard mukhdas of this rare
gem!

Let me know if we agree on most of these points.

Atanu

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "shashirao" <shashirao@...> wrote:
>
> Not sure if this group was meant simply to highlight Pancham's +ve sides in a
song or to deify the person. We gather to discuss his music.
>
> And as humans, we are bound to have likings and dislikings. And I agree that
taste itself is a subjective matter - it will be difficult to gain consensus.
>
> To me - any discussion on Pancham's music - positive or negative - is an
enlightening process. So far I am yet to be convinced that anyone has
successfully demonstrated any of Pancham's album as the worst - or completely
-ve. But this conversation has definitely highlighted attention towards some of
those unheard, under-appreciated and barely understood albums.
>
> If this topic can make people come forth and share their thoughts on Ehsan and
Puraskar - my day is made.
>
> As for moderstors initiation - years ago Vinay had started a discussion on a
single movie. There was hardly any contribution after the first couple of
albums. The effort died around Bombay To Goa I think...somewhere near the Panvel
Ghats.
>
> My 2 cents.
> Shashi
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@> wrote:
> >
> > This is a pancham@yahoogroups site but instead of highlighting his +ve sides
in a song we r discussing on his worst albums.(I had listed the 10 worst albums
but the term "worst" is not a proper word it shud be "OK" albums.)
> > In this world each & every person has his own perceptions/thinkings/likes &
dislikes.We all are into this group bcos we all are hindi film music lovers &
after hearing all other MD's songs we came to the conclusion that Pancham is the
BEST.& thus we have formed this group.So instead of pointing to his -ve points
why not to discuss his +ve points abt his ALL songs one by one start from the
CHHOTE NAWAB to ANYAY HI ANYAY.(Pls note that even a MD is a human being,when
composing/recording of a particular song his spiritual or 'state of mind' goes
into making that song.If at that time his state of mind is not 'High' due to
some reasons, same will be reflected in that song but there r instances when a
ordinary song becomes a huge hit & a song with passion/high spirit is made &
people does not even know abt it.(It is the karma of that song to not to be
famous inspite of excellent)(like a well qualified person is struggling to make
ends meet & a illetrate
> >  person plays with crores)
> > A same song when it is played in a room with 10 people, it is obvious that
all 10 people will be having different +ve or -ve points abt that song.So why
not to start that thread-may be many albums/songs had been discussed in this
site earlier but it was not chronologically from the 1st release to the last.May
be the moderators can start this.
> >  
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@>
> > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 7:31 PM
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >
> > *Thank You Shashiji for providing a beautiful analysis of this
> > album....... will go back to album with some more insights pointed out by
> > you.....*
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *Superb Analysis.*
> > *
> > *
> > *Ritesh*
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:59 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ritesh,
> > >
> > > Fantastic work on providing more details and your opinions on these
albums.
> > > Inspires me to add more:
> > >
> > > 'Naa Sanam' - what I particularly and remember from memory is the initial
> > > salute Pancham gives to the Dada Burman-Majrooh number 'Jeevan Ke Safar
Mein
> > > Rahi'. Pancham seamlessly brings it with the accordian. And the point to
> > > consider is that Majrooh's words too still sound fresh with Pancham as it
> > > did with Dada Burman.
> > >
> > > The rhythm pattern of this song is worth delving into - and I will have to
> > > listen to the cassette again. But the introduction of the bell sound which
> > > is also played on a spoon-on-glass is a remarkable piece of timing by
> > > Pancham.
> > >
> > > Also can remember this beautiful piece of guitar that precedes
Shailendra's
> > > softer 3rd antara - 'Sehra Sehra Sadaa Yehi Aayee'. And I don't know why -
> > > but both Shailendra and Asha Bhosle's 'Jaane Jaan' has a lilting tone to
it
> > > - distinct for each of them - Shailendra's is plaintive, while Asha's is
> > > more naughty.
> > >
> > > This 'Jaane Jaan' part - is so common in many Pancham and Gulshan Bawra
> > > songs. And in each place these common words of endearment are treated so
> > > creatively. To me Pancham must have a fondness for these words and spent
> > > time to give them new life with their pronounciation/ enunciation. The
Asha's
> > > 'Jaane Jaan' part, to me, gives the song an entirely feel than the
> > > Shailendra version.
> > >
> > > Also remember that in M2, Pancham introduces an Arabian styled music.
There
> > > is this heavy bass followed with wind instruments. To me, the Shailendra
> > > Singh's version comes across as a train headed towards you in a hilly
> > > region, but the Asha's version is more like the caravan's travelling in
the
> > > desert. Ok - I might be delusional and really need to re-listen to this
> > > song.
> > >
> > > Amusingly HMV or rather SaReGaMa has re-discovered this song - and the
> > > injustice it performed upon its release. And now we see this song (along
> > > with Manzil Manzil and Gurudev numbers) in some of Pancham's compilations.
> > >
> > > Woh Time Door Nahin when a remixer 'discovers' this number!
> > >
> > > Loin
> > >
> > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>, Ritesh
Gadhvi
> > > <rdgadhvi@ .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *Gunehgaar Kaun*
> > >
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *"Na Sanam" both
> > > > versions.... ...fantabulous. ..prelude. ..arrangement. .....rendition
> > > > everything.. ....*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *The other song " Aap Ko Main Gul Kahoon", another excellent song with
> > > > Shailendra's excellent spirited rendition... ......*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *"Rona Mujhe Aata Hai Re" again a superb score with Asha's excellent
> > > > renditions.. ...her expressions are just too good in this
> > > song.....beautiful
> > > > sax in the follow up....Asha is just superb in this track.......
..please
> > > > revisit this track.....*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *"Dil Kahe Dilbar" another good song.......though not great.....but
> > > Suresh
> > > > Wadekar keeps up the spirit...... *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *Ritesh Gadhvi*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:12 PM, shashirao <shashirao@ ..> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Will sugges you search thru the group archives - and also revisit this
> > > > > soundtrack. There has been tons of discussion on this fabulous album -
> > > to my
> > > > > knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there are any particular aspect you did not like - do share. IIRC
> > > > > members simply could not go beyond 'Na Sanam'.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com> <pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Ashwin Kothari
> > >
> > > > > <ashwin_kothari@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you guys say the same for "Gunehgar Kaun".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This was in the year 1992 if I am correct. I still have the album,
> > > and
> > > > > the music seems clueless here.......I have never seen any member
> > > listing any
> > > > > of its songs in any email thread....i believe its forgotten already!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Comments?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ashwin.
> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > > > From: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>
<pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com> [
> > > > > pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com> <pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Ritesh
> > >
> > > > > Gadhvi [rdgadhvi@]
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:54 PM
> > > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com> <pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>
> > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Ha Ha Ha......Nice list of worst albums, Shashiji.... .....even I
> > > would
> > > > > > revisit these albums again....... ....*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:40 PM, shashirao <shashirao@< mailto:
> > > > > shashirao%40yahoo. com <shashirao%2540yaho o.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think just for the heck of it - I will compile my personal list
> > > of
> > > > > worst
> > > > > > > Pancham albums and include Hum Naujawan, Harjae, Mr. Romeo,
> > > Caravan,
> > > > > > > Parichay, Rani Mera Naam, etc. Just so that I can go back and
> > > re-listen
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > them and obtain fresh perspective.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Loin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com><
pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:
> > > > > pancham%40yahoogrou ps.com <pancham%2540yahoog roups.com> > <pancham%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, sandeep
> > > > > > > kulkarni <skulkarni98@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well...these are purely personal choices...may be films have
> > > flopped
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > music not promoted properly etc..can be reasons for not reaching
> > > these
> > > > > songs
> > > > > > > to public...hence not heard widely & properly...in my opinion, its
> > > not
> > > > > > > right on our part to label these generally as WORST ALBUMS
COMPOSED
> > > BY
> > > > > > > PANCHAM.Also one needs to listen to them peacefully and carefully,
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > comming to any conclusion.. in my case "KAUN KAISE" was not much
> > > heard
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > by me and once i started on it..now its one of my favourites in
> > > pancham
> > > > > > > collection.. Pancham's music always grows on you..it may not
strike
> > > in
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > instance of listening to it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SANDEEP KULKARNI
> > > > > > > > architect
> > > > > > > > www.sandeepkulkarni architect. com
> > > > > > > > www.Panchammagic. org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@ >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > > > > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com><
pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:
> > > > > pancham%40yahoogrou ps.com <pancham%2540yahoog roups.com> > <pancham%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 2:28 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My point of view(with deep apology to whom I will hurt)The list
> > > is
> > > > > NOT as
> > > > > > > per chronological with the worst on top & so on...but randomly
> > > > > selected;
> > > > > > > > 1.SAUTELA BHAI
> > > > > > > > 2.SIYASAT
> > > > > > > > 3.JEENE DO
> > > > > > > > 4.SHATRU
> > > > > > > > 5.SHIVA KA INSAAF
> > > > > > > > 6.GANGA MERI MAA
> > > > > > > > 7.DIL KA RAJA
> > > > > > > > 8.RATON KA RAJA
> > > > > > > > 9.EHSAN
> > > > > > > > 10.PURASKAR
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > These are rough list as I will listen once again to all these
> > > albums
> > > > > &
> > > > > > > see if any +ve things I can find.If anyone can show me any +ve abt
> > > the
> > > > > above
> > > > > > > albums' songs then I wud be grateful.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 2/11/09, irfan khan <irfan_raipur@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: irfan khan <irfan_raipur@ >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > > > > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com><
pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:
> > > > > pancham%40yahoogrou ps.com <pancham%2540yahoog roups.com> > <pancham%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>
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> > > worst
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Dear friends,
Following are the Ticket Outlets for the Event 'IMMORTAL PANCHAM'to be held at
Kala Mandir, Kolkata on 21/11/09 (Saturday)

South Kolkata:
01. MUSIC WORLD (Dhakuria)
02. SUPER AUDIO (Gariahat) - 9830375132
03. SUPER SOUND (Ganguly Bagan) - 9831551931
04. HARA HARI CELLULAR (Harinavi) - 9831609867

Central Kolkata:
01. MUSIC WORLD (Park Street) - 9874249381
02. SYMPHONY (Esplanade) - 22126088

North Kolkata:
01. SHRADDHANJALI (Baranagar Bazar) - 9831081381
02. MODERN MUSIC CENTRE (Sealdah) - 23527107

Salt lake:
01. RHYTHMS (City Centre, Salt Lake) - 9748169331


Also please contact for tickets at :

Behala - 9831070383
Girish Park - 9836751667
Salt Lake - 9830189975

This post is for the purpose of information only.

Very True Rakeshbhai,

Both the films were not YC productions but YC only directed them.........but
YC wasn't too happy with the score though there was no scope for
music......he might be comparing to RD's best in those days.....for
information 2 songs were not chopped but only one because of
length...."Deewaron Ke Jungle" and the other song "Idhar Kaa Maal' was
chopped because of Emergency effect in those times ( by the censor board)
........the other 3 songs, 2 duets and 1 mujra song were retained and also
the English song playing in background........

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:26 AM, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@...>wrote:

>
>
> Ritesh, I feel before the film Deewaar had gone on floors-it was a low key
> affair as it was of Gulshan Rai/Trimurty films & not Yashraj films, Yash
> Chopra only directed that film.My uncle used to tell me that a very small ad
> used to come in the newspaper at the time of its(Deewar's) release compared
> to other films.We can feel the effect in its music also as despite in 1975
> the other films(Warrant,Aandhi, etc) have better effect than this film
> despite Amitabh/Yash chopra,etc.There was 5 songs recorded but except 2 all
> has been chopped(even though the film is not so long in duration).The
> duet-Maine tujhe manga is also chopped at 2nd para music.This shows that the
> emphasise was given more on story/dialogues than songs.
>
> --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...<rdgadhvi%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@... <rdgadhvi%40gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not much
> utilised music of rd sab?
> To: pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 11:06 AM
>
>
>
>
> Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget films.......
> and
> hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of top
> singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly Yesudas,
> Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine Pyar
> Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they
> started
> production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh Behl were
> comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort zone
> producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and jealousy as
> they were catering to different market segments.... .
>
> Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash Chopra
> himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
> Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too happy
> with
> Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never came
> together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and genre,
> there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt that
> Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why they never
> came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in his
> prime
> and hence YC must have felt that way.........
>
> Ritesh Gadhvi
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
> vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never
> after
> > big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> > employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and
> can
> > work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many
> > new
> > talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were
> ready
> > to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their
> terms
> > and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in
> > for
> > their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.
> >
> > Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when
> Rajashri
> > was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD
> could
> > not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> > extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> > working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration
> to
> > their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
> > "Aarti"
> > (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was
> very
> > less.
> >
> > After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
> > started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
> > started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also
> got
> > delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
> > they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj
> took
> > over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
> > Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
> >
> > When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> > factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
> > any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter
> > of
> > your own choice and comfort level.
> >
> > Vishwas
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> > Mohan
> > > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> > >
> > > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> > Sippy
> > > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
> > with
> > > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>, "apciom"
>
> > > <apciom@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> > pictures
> > > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > > >
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Barood (1976) one of the few last films of S.D.Burman released in 1976 but songs
are in STEREO. As the songs might have recorded almost a year back i.e in 1975
so this could be a 2nd movie of India in STEREO after Sholay.Can anyone tell me
why this film's music was given so much importance to be recorded in STEREO as
it might have cost high at that time inspite of the film had Shoma
Anand(newcomer) or any special abt the banner/story.May be Pramod Chakravorty or
RD wanted that the songs of this movie shud be a rememberance to S.D.Burman so
they had decided in STEREO or is it something else.  


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Ritesh, I feel before the film Deewaar had gone on floors-it was a low key
affair as it was of Gulshan Rai/Trimurty films & not Yashraj films, Yash Chopra
only directed that film.My uncle used to tell me that a very small ad used to
come in the newspaper at the time of its(Deewar's) release compared to other
films.We can feel the effect in its music also as despite in 1975 the other
films(Warrant,Aandhi, etc) have better effect than this film despite
Amitabh/Yash chopra,etc.There was 5 songs recorded but except 2 all has been
chopped(even though the film is not so long in duration).The duet-Maine tujhe
manga is also chopped at 2nd para music.This shows that the emphasise was given
more on story/dialogues than songs. 

--- On Fri, 13/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...> wrote:


From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@...>
Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: why rajashri prod and yashraj pictures not much
utilised music of rd sab?
To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, 13 November, 2009, 11:06 AM


 



Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget films....... and
hence those were low key affairs..... ..even we won't find much of top
singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly Yesudas,
Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine Pyar
Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they started
production on big scale....... .and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh Behl were
comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort zone
producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and jealousy as
they were catering to different market segments.... .

Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash Chopra
himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
Joshila..... but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too happy with
Deewar score....... .and that could be one of the reason they never came
together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and genre,
there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt that
Pancham didn't do enough...... ..so that could be one reason why they never
came together again....... ...the year was 1975 and Pancham was in his prime
and hence YC must have felt that way.........

Ritesh Gadhvi

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
vishwas.nerurkar@ gmail.com> wrote:

> If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never after
> big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and can
> work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many
> new
> talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were ready
> to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their terms
> and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in
> for
> their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.
>
> Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when Rajashri
> was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD could
> not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration to
> their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
> "Aarti"
> (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was very
> less.
>
> After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
> started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
> started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also got
> delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
> they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj took
> over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
> Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
>
> When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
> any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter
> of
> your own choice and comfort level.
>
> Vishwas
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> Mohan
> > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> >
> > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> Sippy
> > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
> with
> > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> >
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>, "apciom"
> > <apciom@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> pictures
> > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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Rajshri Production very true, they were producing low budget films.......and
hence those were low key affairs.......even we won't find much of top
singers singing for their films, barring few of them.......mostly Yesudas,
Hemlata etc.....music much of by Ravindra Jain et el......even Maine Pyar
Kiya was a low key affair....it is only after it's huge success they started
production on big scale........and just as Ramesh Sippy, Ramesh Behl were
comfortable with their setup, Rajshri were also in their comfort zone
producing their own films......so I don't see any rivalry and jealousy as
they were catering to different market segments.....

Speaking of Yash Raj Production, yes I feel bit strange as Yash Chopra
himself has worked with Pancham on two occasion viz. Deewar and
Joshila.....but if grapevine is to be believed then he wasn't too happy with
Deewar score........and that could be one of the reason they never came
together again......a film like Deewar with it's tight script and genre,
there was very limited scope for music......but some how YC felt that
Pancham didn't do enough........so that could be one reason why they never
came together again..........the year was 1975 and Pancham was in his prime
and hence YC must have felt that way.........

Ritesh Gadhvi


On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Vishwas Nerurkar <
vishwas.nerurkar@...> wrote:

> If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never after
> big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
> employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and can
> work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many
> new
> talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were ready
> to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their terms
> and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in
> for
> their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.
>
> Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when Rajashri
> was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD could
> not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
> extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
> working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration to
> their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused
> "Aarti"
> (which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was very
> less.
>
> After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
> started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
> started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also got
> delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
> they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj took
> over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
> Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.
>
> When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
> factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
> any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter
> of
> your own choice and comfort level.
>
> Vishwas
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or
> Mohan
> > Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
> >
> > Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh
> Sippy
> > - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship
> with
> > certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> > composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
> >
> >
> > --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>, "apciom"
> > <apciom@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj
> pictures
> > that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> > professional jelousy or some thing?
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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>
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If we talk about Rajashri Productions only, I can say they were never after
big names. They were happy with small set up of their own. They were
employing small/new comer artistes who can give them dates in bulk and can
work with them without any problems/tauntrums. They have introduced many new
talents in the industry. Basically they sailed with persons who were ready
to give lot of time for their productions and ready to work on their terms
and conditions. Like Yashraj films, they had their own style of music in for
their films. You can easily make out the songs pertaining to their films.

Talking about RD, I can say RD was a big name in the industry when Rajashri
was in full swing of producing films. They must have thought that RD could
not spare as much time and attention to their films as they expect or
extract from their regular music directors. In addition since they were
working in the small set up, they used to offer very little remuneration to
their artistes and technicians. Once Khayyam told me that he refused "Aarti"
(which Roshan did subsequently) because the amount offered to him was very
less.

After Suraj Badjatya took over the control, things started changing. They
started employing Big stars and big set of technician and musicians. They
started spending more. Because of this star system their pictures also got
delayed. Earlier they used to produce three to four films in a year. Now
they are producing one film in fthree to four years. By the time Suraj took
over, RD was fading out and industry people had lost faith in his magic.
Many regular banners also opted for another music directors.

When one think of any topic like this, I feel one should take all the
factors in to consideration before arriving at any conclusion. I dont see
any politics or professional jelously in this matter. It is just a matter of
your own choice and comfort level.

Vishwas

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:42 PM, shashirao <shashirao@...> wrote:

>
>
> No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or Mohan
> Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.
>
> Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh Sippy
> - Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship with
> certain composers. I think there was room for many producers and many
> composers - without the need for them to work with Pancham only.
>
>
> --- In pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com>, "apciom"
> <apciom@...> wrote:
> >
> > it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj pictures
> that they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any
> professional jelousy or some thing?
> >
>
>
>


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No. Pancham has also not worked much with Manoj Kumar, Mohan Kumar or Mohan
Sehgal - does not mean there was any animosity between them.

Just as Pancham had a special relationship with Ramesh Behl or Ramesh Sippy -
Rajshri and Yash Chopra banners had their preferential relationship with certain
composers. I think there was room for many producers and many composers -
without the need for them to work with Pancham only.

--- In pancham@yahoogroups.com, "apciom" <apciom@...> wrote:
>
> it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj pictures that
they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any professional
jelousy  or some thing?
>

it is obsreved trough movies of rajashri production and yashraj pictures that
they have not availed the music of great rd saab?is there any professional
jelousy  or some thing?

amish u r correct, shareef badmash was released in 1973 & HKKN in 1977 so it is
obvious that meri mohabbat mein was made 1st, both songs are similar.
--- On Thu, 12/11/09, amishra74 <amishra74@...> wrote:


From: amishra74 <amishra74@...>
Subject: [Pancham] 'Meri Mohabbat mein' and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno'
To: pancham@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, 12 November, 2009, 12:57 AM


 



Pardon me if this has already been discussed but I cannot help asking -

Aren't 'Meri Mohabbat Mein' (Shareef Badmash) and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' (HKSKN)
similar in arrangement to an extent ?

I somehow find the former as a female version of the latter or vice versa,
especially the way the same chorus 'Hey HO' comes in between.

Haven't seen Shareef Badmash song so can't say in what context its used.









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Pardon me if this has already been discussed but I cannot help asking -


Aren't 'Meri Mohabbat Mein' (Shareef Badmash) and 'Bachna Ae Haseeno' (HKSKN)
similar in arrangement to an extent ?

I somehow find the former as a female version of the latter or vice versa,
especially the way the same chorus 'Hey HO' comes in between.


Haven't seen Shareef Badmash song so can't say in what context its used.

*Just listen to Asha's solo " Aye Dekho To Yahaan", what a superb rendition
by Ashaji..........so sensual and sexy......excellent voice
modulation.......and such songs can only be sung by Ashaji.......no one else
singer could touch with bargepole.....and extracting that kind of
performance and composing is no mean task......melody at it's best.*
*
*
*So erotic.....so sexy and so aesthetic.....all in one..... every time she
says " Koi Nahin hai, koi bhi nahin" is amazing......nice guitar strums,
flutes, accordion, xylophone and excellent slow paced rhythm matching the
mood of the song......*
*
*
*If audio is not enough to visualize .....then watch this video......*
*
*
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R9yL72-mxo*<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R9y\
L72-mxo>
*
*
*
*
*Not even talking of Rafi gems which are mindblowing..........just hear this
song and you will understand how great this song is.........*
*
*
*
*
*And still can't get over the fact how this one is even in this list........
*
*
*
*Ritesh Gadhvi*

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:14 AM, parag singhvi <paragsinghvi@...>wrote:

>
>
> Very well said balwantji.
>
> Regards
>
> Parag Singhvi
>
>
> On 11/9/09, balwant singh
<singh_balwant2004@...<singh_balwant2004%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Namaste,sub sadsiyo ko,
> > As a fan,I know only one thing,Pancham
> > da composed whatsoever,those were fantastic.Many of my friend were
> > always asking to me why are you bought such kinds of cassette in which no
> > song was good.I told them one thing,whether songs are good or not,it is
> > important to me that Pancham da gave music.The sound appears automatic
> > melodious to me when I get to know that Pancham da was composer.
> >
> > Balwant
> > Singh
> >
> > 00447519822479
> >
> > (Scotland,UK)
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, manoj anand
<yashikmanoj@...<yashikmanoj%40yahoo.com>
> <yashikmanoj%40yahoo.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: manoj anand <yashikmanoj@...
<yashikmanoj%40yahoo.com><yashikmanoj%
> 40yahoo.com>>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > To: pancham@yahoogroups.com <pancham%40yahoogroups.com> <pancham%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 11:44 AM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Modi SAHAB,atleast what you thought about is mentioned in your
> > say.Ok I understand that Rd ji had his up's and low's along his career
> > spanning decades but that is not justifiable in terms of his mood swings
> or
> > the atmosphere He was while making a song.It was his passion for music
> that
> > He turned out to be a musician with outstanding penchant for melody that
> is
> > what he is known for(PANCHAM) which means music which flows through his
> > veins and has passed on through generations and still will go a long way.
> > Today and always had been the starting RD song you name is the song
> > playable in the music system whenever the system is switched on and
> nothing
> > else(WHY ?)Because No MD can come closer to RDJI in terms of melody.So it
> > gives me great pain when people talk about WORST ALBUM'S.
> >
> > --- On Fri, 11/6/09, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@ yahoo.co. in> wrote:
> >
> > From: rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@ yahoo.co. in>
> > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:54 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > This is a pancham@yahoogroups site but instead of highlighting his +ve
> > sides in a song we r discussing on his worst albums.(I had listed the 10
> > worst albums but the term "worst" is not a proper word it shud be "OK"
> > albums.)
> > In this world each & every person has his own perceptions/ thinkings/
> likes
> > & dislikes.We all are into this group bcos we all are hindi film music
> > lovers & after hearing all other MD's songs we came to the conclusion
> that
> > Pancham is the BEST.& thus we have formed this group.So instead of
> pointing
> > to his -ve points why not to discuss his +ve points abt his ALL songs one
> by
> > one start from the CHHOTE NAWAB to ANYAY HI ANYAY.(Pls note that even a
> MD
> > is a human being,when composing/recording of a particular song his
> spiritual
> > or 'state of mind' goes into making that song.If at that time his state
> of
> > mind is not 'High' due to some reasons, same will be reflected in that
> song
> > but there r instances when a ordinary song becomes a huge hit & a song
> with
> > passion/high spirit is made & people does not even know abt it.(It is the
> > karma of that song to not to be famous inspite of excellent)(like a well
> > qualified person is struggling to make ends meet & a illetrate
> > person plays with crores)
> > A same song when it is played in a room with 10 people, it is obvious
> that
> > all 10 people will be having different +ve or -ve points abt that song.So
> > why not to start that thread-may be many albums/songs had been discussed
> in
> > this site earlier but it was not chronologically from the 1st release to
> the
> > last.May be the moderators can start this.
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 5/11/09, Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@gmail. com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Ritesh Gadhvi <rdgadhvi@gmail. com>
> > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com
> > Date: Thursday, 5 November, 2009, 7:31 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > *Thank You Shashiji for providing a beautiful analysis of this
> > album....... will go back to album with some more insights pointed out by
> > you.....*
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *
> > *Superb Analysis.*
> > *
> > *
> > *Ritesh*
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:59 PM, shashirao <shashirao@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ritesh,
> > >
> > > Fantastic work on providing more details and your opinions on these
> > albums.
> > > Inspires me to add more:
> > >
> > > 'Naa Sanam' - what I particularly and remember from memory is the
> initial
> > > salute Pancham gives to the Dada Burman-Majrooh number 'Jeevan Ke Safar
> > Mein
> > > Rahi'. Pancham seamlessly brings it with the accordian. And the point
> to
> > > consider is that Majrooh's words too still sound fresh with Pancham as
> it
> > > did with Dada Burman.
> > >
> > > The rhythm pattern of this song is worth delving into - and I will have
> > to
> > > listen to the cassette again. But the introduction of the bell sound
> > which
> > > is also played on a spoon-on-glass is a remarkable piece of timing by
> > > Pancham.
> > >
> > > Also can remember this beautiful piece of guitar that precedes
> > Shailendra's
> > > softer 3rd antara - 'Sehra Sehra Sadaa Yehi Aayee'. And I don't know
> why
> > -
> > > but both Shailendra and Asha Bhosle's 'Jaane Jaan' has a lilting tone
> to
> > it
> > > - distinct for each of them - Shailendra's is plaintive, while Asha's
> is
> > > more naughty.
> > >
> > > This 'Jaane Jaan' part - is so common in many Pancham and Gulshan Bawra
> > > songs. And in each place these common words of endearment are treated
> so
> > > creatively. To me Pancham must have a fondness for these words and
> spent
> > > time to give them new life with their pronounciation/ enunciation. The
> > Asha's
> > > 'Jaane Jaan' part, to me, gives the song an entirely feel than the
> > > Shailendra version.
> > >
> > > Also remember that in M2, Pancham introduces an Arabian styled music.
> > There
> > > is this heavy bass followed with wind instruments. To me, the
> Shailendra
> > > Singh's version comes across as a train headed towards you in a hilly
> > > region, but the Asha's version is more like the caravan's travelling in
> > the
> > > desert. Ok - I might be delusional and really need to re-listen to this
> > > song.
> > >
> > > Amusingly HMV or rather SaReGaMa has re-discovered this song - and the
> > > injustice it performed upon its release. And now we see this song
> (along
> > > with Manzil Manzil and Gurudev numbers) in some of Pancham's
> > compilations.
> > >
> > > Woh Time Door Nahin when a remixer 'discovers' this number!
> > >
> > > Loin
> > >
> > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>, Ritesh
> > Gadhvi
> > > <rdgadhvi@.. .> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *Gunehgaar Kaun*
> > >
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *"Na Sanam" both
> > > > versions.... ...fantabulous. ..prelude. ..arrangement. .....rendition
> > > > everything.. ....*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *The other song " Aap Ko Main Gul Kahoon", another excellent song
> with
> > > > Shailendra's excellent spirited rendition... ......*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *"Rona Mujhe Aata Hai Re" again a superb score with Asha's excellent
> > > > renditions.. ...her expressions are just too good in this
> > > song.....beautiful
> > > > sax in the follow up....Asha is just superb in this track.......
> > ..please
> > > > revisit this track.....*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *"Dil Kahe Dilbar" another good song.......though not great.....but
> > > Suresh
> > > > Wadekar keeps up the spirit...... *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *Ritesh Gadhvi*
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > *
> > > > On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 7:12 PM, shashirao <shashirao@. ..> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Will sugges you search thru the group archives - and also revisit
> > this
> > > > > soundtrack. There has been tons of discussion on this fabulous
> album
> > -
> > > to my
> > > > > knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there are any particular aspect you did not like - do share.
> IIRC
> > > > > members simply could not go beyond 'Na Sanam'.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>
> > <pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>, Ashwin Kothari
> > >
> > > > > <ashwin_kothari@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you guys say the same for "Gunehgar Kaun".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This was in the year 1992 if I am correct. I still have the
> album,
> > > and
> > > > > the music seems clueless here.......I have never seen any member
> > > listing any
> > > > > of its songs in any email thread....i believe its forgotten
> already!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Comments?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Ashwin.
> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __
> > > > > > From: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>
> > <pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com> [
> > > > > pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com> <pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>] On Behalf Of Ritesh
> > >
> > > > > Gadhvi [rdgadhvi@]
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:54 PM
> > > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com>
> > <pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com>
> > >
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Re: Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *Ha Ha Ha......Nice list of worst albums, Shashiji.... .....even
> I
> > > would
> > > > > > revisit these albums again....... ....*
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:40 PM, shashirao <shashirao@< mailto:
> > > > > shashirao%40yahoo. com <shashirao%2540yaho o.com>>> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think just for the heck of it - I will compile my personal
> list
> > > of
> > > > > worst
> > > > > > > Pancham albums and include Hum Naujawan, Harjae, Mr. Romeo,
> > > Caravan,
> > > > > > > Parichay, Rani Mera Naam, etc. Just so that I can go back and
> > > re-listen
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > them and obtain fresh perspective.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Loin
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com><
> > pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:
> > > > > pancham%40yahoogrou ps.com <pancham%2540yahoog roups.com> >
> > <pancham%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>, sandeep
> > > > > > > kulkarni <skulkarni98@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Well...these are purely personal choices...may be films have
> > > flopped
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > music not promoted properly etc..can be reasons for not
> reaching
> > > these
> > > > > songs
> > > > > > > to public...hence not heard widely & properly...in my opinion,
> > its
> > > not
> > > > > > > right on our part to label these generally as WORST ALBUMS
> > COMPOSED
> > > BY
> > > > > > > PANCHAM.Also one needs to listen to them peacefully and
> > carefully,
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > comming to any conclusion.. in my case "KAUN KAISE" was not
> much
> > > heard
> > > > > before
> > > > > > > by me and once i started on it..now its one of my favourites in
> > > pancham
> > > > > > > collection.. Pancham's music always grows on you..it may not
> > strike
> > > in
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > instance of listening to it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > SANDEEP KULKARNI
> > > > > > > > architect
> > > > > > > > www.sandeepkulkarni architect. com
> > > > > > > > www.Panchammagic. org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/3/09, rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: rakesh modi <rakeshmodi14@ >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > > > > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com><
> > pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:
> > > > > pancham%40yahoogrou ps.com <pancham%2540yahoog roups.com> >
> > <pancham%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > > > > Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 2:28 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My point of view(with deep apology to whom I will hurt)The
> list
> > > is
> > > > > NOT as
> > > > > > > per chronological with the worst on top & so on...but randomly
> > > > > selected;
> > > > > > > > 1.SAUTELA BHAI
> > > > > > > > 2.SIYASAT
> > > > > > > > 3.JEENE DO
> > > > > > > > 4.SHATRU
> > > > > > > > 5.SHIVA KA INSAAF
> > > > > > > > 6.GANGA MERI MAA
> > > > > > > > 7.DIL KA RAJA
> > > > > > > > 8.RATON KA RAJA
> > > > > > > > 9.EHSAN
> > > > > > > > 10.PURASKAR
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > These are rough list as I will listen once again to all these
> > > albums
> > > > > &
> > > > > > > see if any +ve things I can find.If anyone can show me any +ve
> > abt
> > > the
> > > > > above
> > > > > > > albums' songs then I wud be grateful.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 2/11/09, irfan khan <irfan_raipur@ > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: irfan khan <irfan_raipur@ >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Pancham] Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > > > > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com <pancham%40yahoogro ups.com><
> > pancham%
> > > 40yahoogroups. com><mailto:
> > > > > pancham%40yahoogrou ps.com <pancham%2540yahoog roups.com> >
> > <pancham%
> > >
> > > > > 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > > > > Date: Monday, 2 November, 2009, 8:57 PM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This group is full of colours- we have a thread on guru going
> > > > > > > overboard(zingha lala hur..) and simultaneusly we have(with all
> > > respect
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > thier listings) chelas going overboard(aisa sama na hota...)
> > > > > > > > with dicussions on best albums and song some one dared to
> list
> > > worst
> > > > > > > albums of pancham...the thread will grow slow as in past
> happened
> > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > thread- "reasons for RDs downfall" ...
> > > > > > > > i agree with sashiji that RD was no God who walked on water
> he
> > > too
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > disasters (which may vary from fan to fan)...
> > > > > > > > I will give my vote to- HUM Naujawan
> > > > > > > > Will be continued... ....
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Irfan Khan
> > > > > > > > First Marketing Solutions
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On Sun, 1/11/09, Kaushik Roy <roy_k@hotmail. com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Kaushik Roy <roy_k@hotmail. com>
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Pancham] Worst albums composed by Pancham
> > > > > > > > To: pancham@yahoogroups .com
> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, 1 November, 2009, 5:49 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any thoughts on the 10 worst albums composed by Pancham?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Kaushik
> > > > > > > >
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