Hi Alzn, good to hear from you. I've seen the name of ELIS, but never heard
the music before. I am guessing it is like symphonic gothic metal band.
Anyway, you seem to enjoy your music life. Currently, I've been listening
to ART METAL featuring Jonas Hellborg a lot.

As for prog music, I am going to check out SIEGES EVEN's Paramount very
soon.
Thanks for your heads up, Al.


Tetsu

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Hello Tetsu,
How's it going? I'm bored at work. Lately I've been listening to Elis
and some old punk rock. Here is my list of music:
http://www.last.fm/user/Alzn/

Hello the list

Except for irrelevant spams and non-sence messages, it's been sooo
quiet here for long time. Probably, it's time to post what you've been
listening to lately :-)

In my case, I've been getting into the cd like:
SYLVAN - Presets (neo-proggressive rock from Germany)
SUN CAGED - Artemesia (melodic prog metal from the Netherlands)
PAT METHENY GROUP - The Way Up (fantastic jazz/fusion from U.S.)

Probably, I do not need to explain Pat Metheny Group.
New cds of both SYLVAN and SUN CAGED sound really great to my ears.
European groups like them do perform really nicely in the realm
of progressive-side metal and rock. But, the new one of SYLVAN
sounds mellower and more emotional than this Humburg based neo-prog
group's previous album to me.



Tetsu Hamanaka (from PILGRIM WORLD list)
n.p. SUN CAGED - Artemesia

Hello Marta,

I'm TetsuH of Pilgrim World e-mailing list. First of all, thanks for being
interested about this e-mail list.
Now I am glad to see you follow the guidance and our
goal on the list. I think you understand sending a text-format message
(of course, without jpeg files, thank you very much).

Well, where can I start? Actually, I have a bit mixed feeling about the
recent
messages between Daniel and Braindance side. I should've spoken up earlier,
before you folks are holding a grudge each other. Too bad, my recent days
interrupt reading the messages thoroughly and carefully.

It's difficult to say for me, but please understand the feeling of Daniel.
I have known Daniel for such a long time, and I think he is a really good
guy and nice friend to me. He just bursts out his anger and irritation after
seeing your posts as merely spams.

I am not sure you or another Braindance member e-mailing messages
periodically to my e-mail account. As for private message, it's no big
problem
to see and read it. However, html message with jpeg or gif files are not
recommended on this list. It's okay for sending in once without reading the
notification, but seeing such things too many make Daniel anger and
frustrated.

I am kind of slow to being upset, so he got upset for me that why I have
been so quiet
and tolelated about this situation.

I hope oneday we are gonna settle down this uneasy atmosphere and to see
reconciliation or
some sort or peace would be established again in the near future. :-)

TetsuH (pilgrim world)

Hello Marta,

I'm TetsuH of Pilgrim World e-mailing list. First of all, thanks for being
interested about this e-mail list.
  Now I am glad to see you follow the guidance and our
goal on the list. I think you understand sending a text-format message
(of course, without jpeg files, thank you very much).

Well, where can I start? Actually, I have a bit mixed feeling about the
recent
messages between Daniel and Braindance side. I should've spoken up earlier,
before you folks are holding a grudge each other. Too bad, my recent days
interrupt reading the messages thoroughly and carefully.

It's difficult to say for me, but please understand the feeling of Daniel.
I have known Daniel for such a long time, and I think he is a really good
guy and nice friend to me. He just bursts out his anger and irritation after
seeing your posts as merely spams.

I am not sure you or another Braindance member e-mailing messages
periodically to my e-mail account. As for private message, it's no big
problem
to see and read it. However, html message with jpeg or gif files are not
recommended on this list. It's okay for sending in once without reading the
notification, but seeing such things too many make Daniel anger and
frustrated.

I am kind of slow to being upset, so he got upset for me that why I have
been so quiet
and tolelated about this situation.


I hope oneday we are gonna settle down this uneasy atmosphere and to see
reconciliation or
some sort or peace would be established again in the near future. :-)



TetsuH (pilgrim world)

To Braindance:

Hi, I am the administrator of PILGRIM WORLD mailing list. I was thinking of
sending a private message to
you, before Daniel spoke up. Daniel has already mentioned an imporatnt
thing, so I have to open up my mouth for
him and other list members. This list is meant to be a gathering place and
very small community
for someone who enjoy both prog and metal in general. Of course,
It's very welcome for everyone to post anything related to
progressive kind of rock and metal in genetal.

However, the list members here do not usually prefer
reading spam and advertisement. Whenever I see such irrelevant things,
I usually delete the name from the list
and those people never come back here again. In the case of yours,
your message was music-related. And I happened to have read the articles of
Braindance before, so I thought it's not a complete spam message.
That's why I just kept being quiet until this moment.

In addition, e-mailing with HTML code is not preferable on this list, so
please
change into TEXT format/code as you post next time. Some members here are
also playing
in the scene of prog and metal, but they do not usually post so-called
'plug' about their own groups
and projects. It's sometimes okay to talk about what you've been doing for
your group casually.
However, sending two big HTML e-mail messages are too much for some readers
like Daniel.

Therefore, please understand the rule above (even though it's unwritten
code/rule here,
I assume everyone here understand avoiding conflicts and problems). I really
hope you understand
the situation and atmosphere here. The reason why I did not exclude you from
the list so far is that
I have enjoyed reading the articles and review about Braindance on
progressive metal, and I believe
Braindance are good people.

However, if you do not follow the guidance and rule above I have mentioned,
then I sadly have to
omit your name from the list. Having said that, keep up your good work for
Braindance in New York area (right?)



TetsuH (Pilgrim World e-mail list)
n.p. Last Warning - Under Spell

Hi Daniel,

It's always good to hear from you.

>This is a sad thing Tetsu, he's been at some of my favorite PoS albums (
i.e their first two, which are actually among  my all time favorite
albums ). I didn't like much of Be, at least at the same level I liked
Entropia or One Hour.

I have not even checked out BE yet. There are some mixed opinions toward BE,
so I am not ready yet to try BE.
Entropia and One Hour are my favorite albums of PoS. In addition, I really
enjoyed The Perfect Element Pt.1 as well
as their first two albums. Remedy Lane is quite hard to get into in my
honest opinion. I still can not enjoy
this album sadly.

It's quite surprising news about Kristoffer's departure. I wish all the best
for both Kristoffer's future and
PoS. I did not know that Kristoffer has lived in Holland for a few years,
according to the info
on PoS website. I am guessing that Kristoffer is going to related with Lana
Lane band for a while.
He's performed as a member of Lana Lane band.
He came to Japan for a live gig of Lana Lane.


TetsuH (pilgrimworld list)

Hello everyone,

Unfortunately, still the spammer annoys the list again. I'd like to post a
meaningful topic or thread rather
than spams and boring advertisement this time. I think most Pain of
Salvation fans already
know that bass player Kristoffer Gildenlow leaves PoS. Probably, this leads
PoS to a big change
in the future.

TetsuH

Hey Tetsu,

Pilgrim world is the only list I set to still get messages and I had
noticed spammers
coming here, so I thought about emailing.

As for nevermore, even though I spent most of my teen years listening
to power metal, it is a scary word for me, so It was great to notice
that Nevermore is a technical thrash band, which is one of my favorite
styles.

All the best,
Daniel


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>
> It's been a while, since the list got a new message. Thanks for your heads
> up again.
> Coincidently, I was listening to Dreaming Neon Black album from Nevermore.
> I really do think that Nevermore still make and play unique powerful metal
> with
> aggression and minor proggy elements.
>
> > I can't tell you why I hadn't heard them before as I really love them now.
>
> I am quite surprised to read that you had not heard them before.
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> > Merry Xmas and a happy new year folks,
> > Daniel
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> Merry Christmas and a happy new year!!
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Hi Daniel,

It's been a while, since the list got a new message. Thanks for your heads
up again.
Coincidently, I was listening to Dreaming Neon Black album from Nevermore.
I really do think that Nevermore still make and play unique powerful metal
with
aggression and minor proggy elements.

> I can't tell you why I hadn't heard them before as I really love them now.

I am quite surprised to read that you had not heard them before.

> Merry Xmas and a happy new year folks,
> Daniel

Thank you Daniel for remembering this small community. Yes, please take
care.
Merry Christmas and a happy new year!!


Tetsu Hamanaka (PILGRIM WORLD)
n.p. Orphaned Land - Mabool

Hey Tetsu, Alzn, others

Century Media Brazil offered a big deal: the first 4 Nevermore
releases for good prices and it was a coincidence that it was the time
of the year I can purchase cds so I bought these 4 cds.

I can't tell you why I hadn't heard them before as I really love them now.

Merry Xmas and a happy new year folks,
Daniel

Hi Alzn,

Gackt is really popular right now in my country. He used to be a member of
melodic gothic rock band called Malice Mizer or something. Indeed, he has
a really low and deep voice. But I think his personality is a bit strange.
He is a bit showy in my opinion on TV shows, but yes his music is diverse.
What he has done does not alway hit my comfort zone, but his music
seem to have convinced lots of popular music fans, so far.


Tetsu

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> Hey Tetsu,
> That guy Gackt has a great voice don't you think? Deep and emotional.
> And his music is very diverse.
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Hey Tetsu,
That guy Gackt has a great voice don't you think? Deep and emotional.
And his music is very diverse.
Alzn

> Just recently, I checked out some soundfiles of Ozric Tentacles. I
think the
> music
> of Ozric Tentacles intrigues me somehow. I am going to try one of
their
> albums.
> It's cool you keep enjoying Tad Morose :)

I also have Waterfall Cities, I think that's the name of the album...
I read that is another, predominantly keyboard driven album

check the link of their discography at amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/artist
/glance/-/45998/ref=pd_ap_sr/002-5441440-2122430

Hello Lori,

Wow, long time no see, my friend.

> 2004. While you may think of Europe as a "hair metal"
> band, and think of their pop-ish songs like "The Final
> Countdown", those that know of their beginnings in

Yeah, actually Europe is great. In fact, I went to see their
re-union tour, and supporting new album. I think they rocked
the venue, and both new ones and classic Europe tunes sounded
fantastic I think.

> Sweden know that they began as a prog-ish metal band,
> influenced by UFO and Deep Purple. Behind their
> priginal sound was the guitarplaying of John Norum,

Yeah, John's guitar playing is really tasty and I really like it.

Anyway, thanks for your posting a lot.



Tetsu (PILGRIM WORLD)

Hello Alan and list,

> [progrock-ish]
> Ozric Tentacles - Spirals in Hyperspace
> a few good new age/electronic type of songs, a few typical OT songs

Just recently, I checked out some soundfiles of Ozric Tentacles. I think the
music
of Ozric Tentacles intrigues me somehow. I am going to try one of their
albums.
It's cool you keep enjoying Tad Morose :)



Tetsu Hamanaka

Tetsu and all,

Greetings. I haven't spoken on this board for awhile,
but I just wanted to chimein on my fav rock album of
2004. While you may think of Europe as a "hair metal"
band, and think of their pop-ish songs like "The Final
Countdown", those that know of their beginnings in
Sweden know that they began as a prog-ish metal band,
influenced by UFO and Deep Purple. Behind their
priginal sound was the guitarplaying of John Norum,
who left the band when they adopted a new pop sound.
He went on to a solo career under Americ'as shred
label, Shrapnel. Die-hard Europe fans always felt that
Europe was at its best while still in Sweden, with
John Norum handling guitar duties. After 12 years of
silence, Europe reuited, with John Norum on guitars.
They released "Start From the Dark" in 2004, which is
one of their finest albums. Much darker and heavier
than their last three albums w/o Norum. They have
matured and no longer write about outer space, Ninjas
or partying. I thought it was a great album, and
unfortunately I had to buy the import. My copy
features live performances of 2 classic songs, "Seven
Doors Hotel" and Wiongs of Tomorrow", songs which were
popular in Japan back in the day. I highly reccommend
this cd. :)

Now I will return to the darkness and lurk lol....

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> [progmetal-ish]
> Candiria - What Doesn't Kill You
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> Ozric Tentacles - Spirals in Hyperspace
> a few good new age/electronic type of songs, a few
> typical OT songs
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> [metal]
> Tad Morose - Modus Vivendi
> cool riffs, singing, and songs
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> 1. Arovane - Lilies
> instrumental electronic; ornate, japanese theme,
> transitional
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> 2. Fly - s/t (jeff ballard, larry grenadier, mark
> turner)
> instrumental 3 piece jazz; percussive, fluid, tribal
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> 3. Trespassers William - Different Stars
> breathy shoegazer; sweet, dreamy, melodic
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> 4. Duran Duran - Astronaut
> unadulterated pop; pop, pop, fizz, fizz
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> 5. Esbjorn Svensson Trio - Seven Days of Falling
> contemporary hybrid jazz; yet not so hybrid after
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pilgrimworld! pilgrimworld!

i guess mine would be:

[progmetal-ish]
Candiria - What Doesn't Kill You
contemporary, intelligent, loud, diverse,with bits of hardcore

[progrock-ish]
Ozric Tentacles - Spirals in Hyperspace
a few good new age/electronic type of songs, a few typical OT songs

[metal]
Tad Morose - Modus Vivendi
cool riffs, singing, and songs

[my top 5 overall]
1. Arovane - Lilies
instrumental electronic; ornate, japanese theme, transitional

2. Fly - s/t (jeff ballard, larry grenadier, mark turner)
instrumental 3 piece jazz; percussive, fluid, tribal

3. Trespassers William - Different Stars
breathy shoegazer; sweet, dreamy, melodic

4. Duran Duran - Astronaut
unadulterated pop; pop, pop, fizz, fizz

5. Esbjorn Svensson Trio - Seven Days of Falling
contemporary hybrid jazz; yet not so hybrid after all

6. Tad Morose - Modus Vivendi

Hi Daniel,

Thanks for your input, always. I have no idea why spammers post something
weird message, constantly. The worst part is just someone who left smap,
and then erase their information and membership as soon as they posted.
As much as possible, I don't welcome those spammers on this list, anyway.

> Anyway, I can't say I've heard many 2004 releases. I am thinking hard
> to remember one or two and I can remember only of PoS, "BE" (7/10) . I
> actually bought very few cds lately, and they were :

I could not get BE last year, even though the soundfiles on InsideOut have
quite unique and unusual. However, I'd like to catch up about new release of
Pain of Salvation this year, I hope.

> Cynic : Focus (after around 10 years listening them on a tape I got
> the actual cd)

This is the one I have been very impressed since I got. I mean I got their
reissue version of Focus including remastered tracks with their other
project, Portal. Their instrumentation is really complex and intricate.
At the same time, what they displays on this album sound really intriguing
in my opinion. Over these years, I have been getting used to some harsh
death vocals and growls, so I do not mind such extreme vocal styles.
I think using such growls and spacey vocals alternatively is quite
unique.

> I am happy to see the list hasn't died as Pilgrim World is the list
> I've been subscribed for more time than any other...

Thanks for subscribing the list, Daniel. I am glad you feel comfortable
to stay in this list. Much appreciated. :-)



Tetsu

Hey Tetsu,

I wouldn't mind these spammers, but yeah, you always have to delete
them out of this list and this might be boring :-(

Anyway, I can't say I've heard many 2004 releases. I am thinking hard
to remember one or two and I can remember only of PoS, "BE" (7/10) . I
actually bought very few cds lately, and they were :

Dio: Magic, Inferno Live, Killing the Dragon
King Crimson: The Power to Believe
Death: Live In LA
Cynic : Focus (after around 10 years listening them on a tape I got
the actual cd)
Bozzio Levin Stevens: Situations Dangerous
Slayer; Diabolous In Music
Queensryche: Tribe
System Of A Down: Toxicity

I dig 7for4, but I am not sure the album I heard was a 04 release. I
love the two albums Wolfgang Zenk played with Sieges Even...

I am happy to see the list hasn't died as Pilgrim World is the list
I've been subscribed for more time than any other...

All the best,
Daniel

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Hi, everyone on the list.

I know...I know....
recently this list has been super slow, and
nothing going on. Ok, before posting my favorite albums of 2004.
I'd like to make sure and announce one thing.

I know it's really bummer you get e-mail
message with spams constantly.
Somewhat, spammer's postings
once in a while pop up. As much as possible, I erase those
spammings, and try not them to be a list member anymore.
It's really irritating everyone. Whenever you see the spam,
just erase or ignore it. I have no idea where they get to know
this list and sneak into here, then disappers...very strange.

Ok, having said that moderator's boring announcement here.
Let's talk about favorite album of the year, 2004. I think there
are some great albums and not so great albums. Anyway, I have enjoyed
listening to the cds I got last year.

7for4 is one of surprising instrumental prog metal fusion. It sounds
weird for some people, but 7for4 features ex.Sieges Even member,
Wolfgang Zenk, who is a phenomenal guitarist. He does amazing job
on the album. So do other members of 7for4. Really killer and burning
prog rock/metal instrumental works with nice amounts of fusion and
jazz rock in the contemporary manner.

Ayreon's latest album, The Human Equation, sounds really brilliant,
too. As usual as other Ayreon albums, there are lots of splendid and
superb vocalists and musicians appearing. I think THM is one of the
best Ayreon albums. Yeah, of course, Into The Electric Castle is
still being fabulous album as well, though.

Besides 7for4 and Ayreon, there are other goodies and killer stuffs
released in 2004. Anyway, I better stop here. Speak up what's your
favorite one from 2004.


Tetsu Hamanaka (PILGRIM WORLD)
n.p. Jasun Tipton - Seduction

Hey Tetsu,

I think you're probably enjoying it as I did it. Discount the dialogs
and you will have a decent album..

Daniel



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Hi Daniel, thanks for the e-mail with an extra message.

As for new album of Pain of Salvation, there are lots of speculation and
pro and con opinions spreading out I think. Hopefully, I would like to
give a try to their new album and upcoming DVD release as well.
According to general opinion toward new album of PoS, it should
be very intriguing for my tastes.

> Lots of dialogs.. Very boring too

This is the part I worry that I am not going to dig, probably.



Tetsu Hamanaka (Pilgrim World)

Hey Scott,

Now I know that ithe list is not that dead! :-)

Daniel


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Hey Tetsu,

I heard it already.

Discount two tracks: a Gospell chorus ( At the first time it is good,
but it gets too annoying) and another song where they basically wrote
a background atmosphere and mixed with dialogs of fans that called
Gildenlow's answerring machine and left a conversation with God.

The rest is quite insteresting, well, I did like it better than TPE
and RL. I only heard it once so I can't say a lot more...

Lots of dialogs.. Very boring too

Daniel


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> Yes, Daniel. I am here. I look forward to hearing new album of
> Pain of Salvation - Be. The sound clips on InsideOut sound very
> intriguing, even though it sounds like totally different from what they
> have done previously.
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Yes, Daniel. I am here. I look forward to hearing new album of
Pain of Salvation - Be. The sound clips on InsideOut sound very
intriguing, even though it sounds like totally different from what they
have done previously.


Tetsu Hamanaka

Hey Dan,


Scott Black here, yep, I'm still here:)  I know what
you're saying, it's been a little dead on the group
lately.  I've been working on a project putting
together a band and working on two jobs, so have been
really busy myself:)


Talk to you all soon:)
Scott Black





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