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Psalm 37:4, "Delight yourself..." A command?   Message List  
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Re: Psalm 37:4, "Delight yourself..." A command?

You're right, I see it in the Strong's now. Should have looked there
first.

So in this case, you might paraphrase this verse to read, "You are
commanded to delight yourself in the Lord and if you do, here's what
will happen..."

Rather than, "You might want to delight yourself, for if you do..."

Right?

CD


--- In pipertalk@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas Mixer" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> Simply put, both the Hebrew word and the Greek translation (LXX) are
> imperatives, which mean that the word translated into the English as
> "Delight" is in fact a command and not a life option. The end of
the verse
> tells us what will happen if we obey the command.
>
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> Soli Deo Gloria,
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> Pastor Douglas Mixer
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> From: pipertalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pipertalk@yahoogroups.com]
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> Of Chris de Vidal
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> Subject: [pipertalk] Psalm 37:4, "Delight yourself..." A command?
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> First, I LOVE CHRISTIAN HEDONISM. I am almost 100% sure it's
Biblical.
>
> But I have a problem with John constantly quoting Psalm 37:4 as a
> command. As John himself likes to say, "keep reading." (That is,
pick
> up the context.) Look at the whole verse:
> "Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of
your
> heart." (ESV)
>
> That doesn't look like a command. That looks like a life option. A
> suggestion. A conditional blessing. But not a command.
>
> What's up with that? Why does John think it's a command? Why does
> John tell people to "keep reading" other verses but not this one?
>
> I'm not saying I'm right, I'm asking how I might be wrong.
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First, I LOVE CHRISTIAN HEDONISM. I am almost 100% sure it's Biblical. But I have a problem with John constantly quoting Psalm 37:4 as a command. As John...
Chris de Vidal
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Nov 24, 2006
3:57 am

Simply put, both the Hebrew word and the Greek translation (LXX) are imperatives, which mean that the word translated into the English as "Delight" is in fact...
Douglas Mixer
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Nov 24, 2006
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You're right, I see it in the Strong's now. Should have looked there first. So in this case, you might paraphrase this verse to read, "You are commanded to...
Chris de Vidal
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Nov 24, 2006
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... Chris, I agree that Psalm 37:4 is not a command. But it is a non-command restatement, ofttimes easier to understand, of the following commandment: And...
Jonathan E. Brickman
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Nov 24, 2006
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But it is a command. Delight is in the imperative form, and an imperative is a command. It is not an option that you can consider. It is a command that, if...
Douglas Mixer
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Nov 24, 2006
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... Well-said. CD Think you're a good person? Yeah, right! ;-) Prove it and get ten thousand dollars: TenThousandDollarOffer.com...
Chris de Vidal
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... Well, now that I understand the Hebrew imperitive form of the verb, it seems "Delight" /is/ a command. I wonder if perhaps the Bible translators have just...
Chris de Vidal
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I think it is more that, since English is not an inflected language like Hebrew or Greek, our imperative form looks just like our declarative form. Soli Deo...
Douglas Mixer
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Nov 25, 2006
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It definitely is a command, but we have the option to obey it. It seems obvious that to deight in anything but the Lord would be idolary. Thus, it is in the...
Jeff
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We have the option to obey or disobey any command (even the Ten Commandments). However, as Piper brings out, God promises terrible things to those who don't...
Douglas Mixer
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_____ From: pipertalk@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pipertalk@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 11:30 AM To:...
Skip Tyler
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If it is command, you don't have an option to obey it. If you don't obey it, you are disobedient. Skip Tyler Fredericksburg, VA _____ From:...
Skip Tyler
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Agreed, but did again the blind man doesn't grasp the things of God. Jeff ... From: Douglas Mixer <doug@...> To: pipertalk@yahoogroups.com Sent:...
Jeff
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No, yet this is the mystery: the blind shall be judged for not seeing. Actually, I don't like the way that sounds. It's more accurate to say they shall be...
Chris de Vidal
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Nov 25, 2006
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... The blind will be judged for not seeing? The man answered, "Why, this is an amazing thing! You do not know where he comes from, and yet he opened my eyes....
Jonathan E. Brickman
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... <snip> ... Perhaps you missed how I corrected myself. Immediately after that, I said, "It's more accurate to say they shall be judged for the acts that...
Chris de Vidal
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Nov 28, 2006
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Actually, I do think it is biblically accurate to say that we are judge for our nature. Ephesians 2 says we are "by nature children of wrath." When Romans 5...
Douglas Mixer
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It's actually even more accurate to say that Ephesians 2 says that "*we were *" by nature children of wrath *like the rest of mankind. *Not that "we are"....
Stephen Macasil
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I apologize. I meant to use past tense in my Eph. 2 reference. I like your last sentence. Soli Deo Gloria, Pastor Douglas Mixer Grace Baptist Church ...
Douglas Mixer
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I too think it's biblical, and I do think that primarily speaking, the ultimate reason is the blindness called the sin condition. But don't you think that...
Chris de Vidal
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Dec 2, 2006
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Perhaps 1 Corinthians 5:10 will shed some light on this topic: For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is...
Stephen Macasil
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Dec 2, 2006
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Yes, I agree that we will be judged according to the "deeds done in the body." But those deeds are merely evidence of the condition. Just as faith produces...
Douglas Mixer
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Dec 5, 2006
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Well-said. Can neither agree nor refute it, so I'll think about it some more. Thanks, Douglas. CD ... Think you're a good person? Yeah, right! ;-) Prove it:...
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