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Re: [pipertalk] Been Quiet Lately

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>>> Who is this "one person" that you speak of?
>> Are you seriously asking the question, or are you trying to make a point?
> I'm seriously asking the question. Who is the "one person"? I don't
> want to take for granted that you are referring to God, who is three
> persons, so I ask: Who is this "one person?"

I would like to suggest that God is one person, who is comprised of
many. It is also God to whom I have referred.

>>> Would you consider Islam to be one of the "owtward forms" of the
>>> "church?"
>> No.
>>
>>> If so, why? If not, why not?
>> All Islamic teaching dictates contradiction of many of the commandments
>> and teachings of the founder of the church.
> Is it fair to say that, in your view, Scripture has supreme authority
> in the
> matter of morals and doctrine,
I do not think Scripture has anything supreme, except truth which cannot
be attained through purely human agency. I think God, Personally and
directly, has all functional supremacy.

> and that Islam, when held up to the Scriptures as an Objective Standard,
I do not think that a human being can hold up anything to anything else
in true objectivity. I think that such is beyond human capacity,
exactly the same way as it is true that the only one who is truly good,
according to the Lord, is God.

> becomes clearly "outside" of the biblical definition of the Church?
Depends on whose clarity you are relying upon. The clarity of God when
He thinks? I think so. The clarity of most human beings in the world,
when they think? I think not. And am I going to rely on a fellow human
being's claim to clarity? I am not; I know now that it is sin to do so,
because we are to pray all glory be given to God.

And when we are more careful with our communications, things become
considerably more difficult. If we use the term "church" without
qualifier, and we adhere to an _unqualified_ usage, we are talking about
people-groupings in general; we have to say "the church of the Lord
Jesus Christ", to expose Islam. And interestingly, the very concept of
"objective" cannot be found in Scripture in description of a holy human
being.

J.E.B.




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... I would like to suggest that God is one person, who is comprised of many. It is also God to whom I have referred. ... I do not think Scripture has...
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J.E.B., You wrote: "I would like to suggest that God is one person, who is comprised of many. It is also God to whom I have referred." I responded: Wow, that's...
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Well, now this was an interesting conversation. At least we seem to agree on Sola Scriptura. Now let's get to Sola Fide. Sola Deo Gloria, Chris ... [Non-text...
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Stephen, given your self-description, I am absolutely certain that you have Scripture for all of your questions concerning who God is. I am also certain you...
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Who are you people and what rock did you crawl out from under? By His Grace and For His Glory, Pastor Douglas Mixer Grace Baptist Church _____ From:...
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Excuse me? Some of us don't take things for granted-and there is a big difference between recognizing the authority of scripture and worshipping God the...
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The reason for my question was that we have had virtually no discussions for months and then with one short question we get accusations being thrown at other...
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Pastor Doug, That's my fault, and I apologize. My intentions were to ask our group, which yes, has been silent for a few months, about the Emerging Movement...
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... I am certain that I have not spoken with the holiness of God. I am in fact enjoying our discussion, Stephen, although I must apologize for ...
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J.E.B., I am interested in participating in the discussion, however, it seems a somewhat "closed-end" dialogue. I would like to participate more, but EM folks...
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... I don't think I subscribe to postmodernism at all :-) "Postmodernism" is the ethic which says that there is no interpersonal truth, yes? So far as I can...
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[Joe M] I probably over-reacted to pastor Doug's response as well. I think we all did. I apologize for my part. I agree completely that anyone who claims to...
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Joe M, Your statement "*That's* the modernism that I want to be 'post' to." is exactly where I fall in. Well spoken! To follow up on your understanding of...
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... Yep. Me too. But when I study so-called "modernism" of the mid- and late-twentieth centuries, and compare it with 'postmodernism', I really don't see a ...
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Good day gentlemen; I must admit that I have not read your full conversation; due to my own physical limitations. HoweverI have seen enough to imply that our...
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This has become a fairly interesting conversation! I do want to ask a question based on something you said, though. “Scripture gives us a (perfect in the...
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... I would like to suggest that the church as a whole has said very little with consistency which is of God, throughout the vast majority of its history. For...
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I would say that your example fails the test. It is beyond doubt that during the history of the church, there have been times when some leaders have taught...
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I think one 'problem' in this discussion is that you might be talking about two different churches. When pastor Doug uses the term church, it seems he (I...
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... Actually, no. When I refer to the church, I refer to it in the same vein as the first three chapters of the book of Revelation refers to the 'churches'. ...
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[Joe] "Scripture gives us a (perfect in the sense that God has chosen to keep it perfect) lens through which to view the story behind the story, but each of us...
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“It's interesting (don't take this negatively) that someone who holds the reformation in such high esteem might fear, a priori, a major change in direction...
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Pastor Doug, "This is the problem with postmodernism. Postmodernism says there are no absolutes. But that very statement is an absolute. So, postmodernism...
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“As for the Crusades, Inquisition, etc. Notice that NEVER were they EVER---biblically justified.” Definitely agreed. And that is a proposition! By His...
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... Well, Stephen, having read a number of translations of writings from those periods, I would suggest that their practitioners did indeed cite much Scripture...
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J.E.B., "Well, Stephen, having read a number of translations of writings from those periods, I would suggest that their practitioners did indeed cite much...
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... Agreed. Mr. Koresh attempted to justify himself; but he did not do so, and we cannot, either. "It is God who justifies." J.E.B....
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Pastor Doug, Please don't think I'm agreeing with any of true postmodern philosophy. They've simply given me a language (a bit ironic don't you think since ...
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I would suggest that if we speak according to Scripture, there is no distinction between the "organized" and the "unorganized", but instead, there is simply...
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