Jason,

Earlier, you were asked if you are the author of the anti-Piper blog.
Now I ask you the same question, because it looks very much like you
are. As your one-time college professor in biblical studies, I appeal to
you again, as I did a few years ago, to cease your efforts to sow
discord.

I find it noteworthy that the blogger (almost certainly you, Jason)
wants readers to think that the author is a female but at another place
the author slips into the male identity in the following statement: "I
am a Christian that IS rethinking what he was taught at BBC under the
infamous J. Piper as a Calvinist."

A. B. Caneday



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--- "A. Caneday" <kainosman@...> wrote:
> I find it noteworthy that the blogger (almost certainly you, Jason)
> wants readers to think that the author is a female but at another place
> the author slips into the male identity in the following statement: "I
> am a Christian that IS rethinking what he was taught at BBC under the
> infamous J. Piper as a Calvinist."

Oops!!

CD

You're a good person?  Yeah, right!  ;-)
Prove it: TenThousandDollarOffer.com

If you haven't seen the Desiring God blog, I think you might be
interested to have a look.

It is managed by Abraham Piper, and he does it well.

See http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/

You will find extra stuff from John Piper here, and also articles about
making the DG site resources more functional and useful.

David McKay
www.gontroppo.blogspot.com

Brother David,

Thanks for the heads up!

Daniel

On Apr 16, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Gontroppo wrote:

> If you haven't seen the Desiring God blog, I think you might be
> interested to have a look.
>
> It is managed by Abraham Piper, and he does it well.
>
> See http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/
>
> You will find extra stuff from John Piper here, and also articles
> about
> making the DG site resources more functional and useful.
>
> David McKay
> www.gontroppo.blogspot.com

**************************
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Preacher, Educator, Podcaster
email: danielbeck@...
site:  http://web.mac.com/danielbeck/

Brothers & Sisters,

Our hearts currently mourn as we are called to rejoice with those who
rejoice and mourn with those who mourn. What a tragedy! Yet a
reminder that we live in a world that is in rebellion against a Holy
God.

Abraham Piper has a good post up on the Desiring God blog:
http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/579/

Pray for our brothers and sisters in Virginia who may have the
opportunity to comfort those who are suffering with same comfort with
which they have been comforted (2 Corinthians 1).

Blessings,
Daniel


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Preacher, Educator, Podcaster
email: danielbeck@...
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Have had a few nights of insomnia lately and saw this program on one of
the cable networks. Didn't watch very long but was wondering if any of
you are familiar with this teacher and his teaching?

Thanks.

Dolly

After a Google search, here's his website: http://www.drgenescott.com/

Apparently he has passed away, but his wife is continuing the ministry by
preaching at their church in L.A.

I couldn't find much on their doctrine, but her being a "pastor"
automatically puts up red flags.

Chris

On 4/19/07, sarleydj <sarleydj@...> wrote:
>
>   Have had a few nights of insomnia lately and saw this program on one of
> the cable networks. Didn't watch very long but was wondering if any of
> you are familiar with this teacher and his teaching?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dolly
>
>
>


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I don’t know anything about Melissa (Mrs. Scott).  But I have heard Dr.
Scott preach before.  Dr. Scott, who you probably watched, is now dead.  He
was absolutely amazing in what he did.  Now understanding that he is
primarily preaching to a bunch of college students, he spent an hour on one
verse picking it apart in 6 different languages up on a whiteboard in his
church.  There was no weak teaching or easy believism.  He upheld the
singularity of Christ and the cross.



I am not sure what his doctrinal beliefs were, nor what his wife’s doctrinal
beliefs were, but they seemed legitimate in what he taught the few times I
heard him.



Soli Deo Gloria,



Pastor Douglas Mixer

Grace Baptist Church

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Of Christopher Coppenbarger
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After a Google search, here's his website: HYPERLINK
"http://www.drgenescott.com/"http://www.drgenesc-ott.com/

Apparently he has passed away, but his wife is continuing the ministry by
preaching at their church in L.A.

I couldn't find much on their doctrine, but her being a "pastor"
automatically puts up red flags.

Chris

On 4/19/07, sarleydj <HYPERLINK
"mailto:sarleydj%40yahoo.com"sarleydj@yahoo.-com> wrote:
>
> Have had a few nights of insomnia lately and saw this program on one of
> the cable networks. Didn't watch very long but was wondering if any of
> you are familiar with this teacher and his teaching?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dolly
>
>
>

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In a message dated 4/19/2007 12:31:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
doug@... writes:

I don’t  know anything about Melissa (Mrs. Scott).  But I have heard Dr.
Scott  preach before.  Dr. Scott, who you probably watched, is now dead.   He
was absolutely amazing in what he did.  Now understanding that he  is
primarily preaching to a bunch of college students, he spent an hour on  one
verse picking it apart in 6 different languages up on a whiteboard in  his
church.  There was no weak teaching or easy believism.  He  upheld the
singularity of Christ and the cross.


i too have watched both of them (though i prefer her  teaching style) -- i
believe he is well known for his colorful and  eccentric manner and life -- so
yeah -- very interesting and seems sound  -- i listen carefully and trust the
LORD for discernment and of course  check the greek with my husband

doing better than i deserve
leanne




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Tim Challies is "live-blogging" the New Attitude Conference and has
written excellent summaries of Piper's messages.

See http://www.challies.com/ and scroll to New Attitude VIII for a
useful summary of Piper's teaching on God's God-cnetredness.

David McKay
www.gontroppo.blogspot.com

With all the supportive comments from government officials, Singapore
may well be on the way to the decriminalising of homosexual acts.

Word has it that some big-time software company stopped supplying the
university after a law prof wrote this in the national daily:
http://news.asiaone.com.sg/st/st_20070504_116875.html

The specific issues aside, what materials would you guys suggest to
give church members a good grounding, regardless of the outcome of
Parliament? Is Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood still the
de-facto recommendation?

TIA!

http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/690_all_books_for_5/


All Books for $5
June 21, 2007  |  By: Abraham
Category: Current Events

Every book in our store will be $5 on June 27-28, Wednesday and
Thursday next week.

No limits, so spread the word.

(This sale is online only.)

--- christiantots <christiantots@...> wrote:
> Every book in our store will be $5 on June 27-28, Wednesday and
> Thursday next week.

Proving yet again the incredible God-fearing, God-desiring generosity of
Desiring God Ministries.
They ROCK, showing the unbelieving world that our God is a giving God,
ultimately giving His Son
for us.

CD

You're a good person?  Yeah, right!  ;-)
Prove it: TenThousandDollarOffer.com

Sounds great till you see the prices for shipping. They are charging a
huge amount more than they used to. What a blow!

Are you folk reading Abraham's blog at Desiring God? He is doing a
terrific job, I think.

David McKay

Brother David,

On Jun 28, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Gontroppo wrote:

> Sounds great till you see the prices for shipping. They are
> charging a huge amount more than they used to. What a blow!

That's too bad. Although, I think their shipping prices are not
something they can control. They are not amazon.com, who gets bulk
rate shipping deals with the P.O.

> Are you folk reading Abraham's blog at Desiring God? He is doing a
> terrific job, I think.

I agree heartedly. Kudos to Abraham for keeping DG Ministries up with
the times without capitulating to its mindset.

Daniel


**************************
Daniel Beck
Preacher, Educator, Podcaster
email: danielbeck@...
site:  http://web.mac.com/danielbeck/

I didn't think it was so bad.   18 for 42 books.
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Subject: [pipertalk] Re: DG Strore - All Books for $5 (June 27-28, 2007)

Sounds great till you see the prices for shipping. They are charging a
huge amount more than they used to. What a blow!

Are you folk reading Abraham's blog at Desiring God? He is doing a
terrific job, I think.

David McKay




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FYI, the shipping increase was not put through just
for this sale.  I ordered two books on 6/13 (before
they announced the $5 sale!) and paid $6.90 for the
shipping.

Yesterday, I ordered 2 books, an audio CD set and a
DVD set and only paid $7.85 for shipping. I consider
my purchases yesterday to be a real bargain and the
shipping charges reasonable.

Also, are any of you planning on attending the
conference at The Cove in Asheville, NC at the end of
July?

Dolly Sarley



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Sale extended until noon!

--- Dolly Sarley <sarleydj@...> wrote:
> FYI, the shipping increase was not put through just
> for this sale.  I ordered two books on 6/13 (before
> they announced the $5 sale!) and paid $6.90 for the
> shipping.
>
> Yesterday, I ordered 2 books, an audio CD set and a
> DVD set and only paid $7.85 for shipping. I consider
> my purchases yesterday to be a real bargain and the
> shipping charges reasonable.

I just bought 33 (yes, 33!!) books, bibles, book+DVD combos and only paid $11.88
shipping (library
rate).  You can't tell me Johnny boy has decided to get greedy on the back end
with shipping ;-)
He's too much of a hedonist to get greedy now.  Did you see his blog post where
he's considering
having a FREEEEEEEEEEEE day??  Praise God!!!!

CD

You're a good person?  Yeah, right!  ;-)
Prove it: TenThousandDollarOffer.com

Desiring God used to charge 20% of the cost of the books for
international shipping.

I was going to order one of the books, and the shipping was quoted at
$24. That is a steep price for sending a $5 book.

I once bought some books for $3 USD each in the US, which were hugely
discounted [in Australia they cost about $50 AUD]. So I was prepared to
pay about $5 USD per book for shipping.

But $24 on a $5 book is not so exciting.

David McKay
www.gontroppo.blogspot.com

David,

   Could it be the weak US dollar and the exchange rate?

   Grace!
       Moe Bergeron



On 7/1/07, Gontroppo <gontroppo@...> wrote:
>
>   Desiring God used to charge 20% of the cost of the books for
> international shipping.
>
> I was going to order one of the books, and the shipping was quoted at
> $24. That is a steep price for sending a $5 book.
>
> I once bought some books for $3 USD each in the US, which were hugely
> discounted [in Australia they cost about $50 AUD]. So I was prepared to
> pay about $5 USD per book for shipping.
>
> But $24 on a $5 book is not so exciting.
>
> David McKay
> www.gontroppo.blogspot.com
>
>
>



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--- In pipertalk@yahoogroups.com, "Moe Bergeron" <moebergeron@...>
wrote:
>
> David,
>
>   Could it be the weak US dollar and the exchange rate?
>
>   Grace!
No
20% of $5, whether USD or AUD is still a lot less than $24 postage, in
what ever currency you fancy [as long as it isn't Argentinian or
something.]

However our better position against the American dollar does affect, in
a negative way, the small amount of money I have in an international
managed fund.

David McKay

--- Gontroppo <gontroppo@...> wrote:
> >   Could it be the weak US dollar and the exchange rate?
> No
> 20% of $5, whether USD or AUD is still a lot less than $24 postage, in
> what ever currency you fancy [as long as it isn't Argentinian or
> something.]

Nonetheless I /cannot/ believe Piper wanted to sneak in the back side and
generate a profit
through exorbitant shipping expenses.  And it wouldn't make sense; my shipment
of 33 books,
although to just Florida and not Australia, was just $11.88.  That's $0.36 US
per book!  Typically
shipping of one book is around $3-5 US, whether it be Desiring God, Amazon, etc.

I choose rather to believe that Desiring God could not secure decent
international rates and leave
it at that.

It's especially helpful to read the recent blog post in which he stated that
they expected to lose
money on the sale but -- praise God -- they still broke even.  Probably sales of
other items.

Generous, I tell you!  God-exalting generosity!

CD

You're a good person?  Yeah, right!  ;-)
Prove it: TenThousandDollarOffer.com

Greetings fellow soldiers!

Some of the guys from Faith Community Church (Dr. Robert Morey) have put
together a new blog with some fresh content.  Please visit and encourage by
commenting on the posts.  The link is http://biblicalthought.blogspot.com

--
Soli Deo Gloria,

Stephen Macasil

"Resolved, never to give over, nor in the least to slacken, my fight with my
corruptions, however unsuccessful I may be"

--Jonathan Edwards
Resolutions, 56
***********************************************
"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that
God's Truth was attacked and yet would remain silent."

--John Calvin
***********************************************
"Sanctify them in the truth, your word is truth".

--John 17:17 [NASB]


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Hey fellow soldiers!  Did this group fall asleep or is everyone working on
different projects?  Just dropping in to say HI.  Any good resources on the
Emerging Movement?  A friend of mine has begun promoting the term "the
Diverging church".  What dost thou thinkest? [KJV] - So, what do you think?
[ESV] - How do you feel about it? [TNIV] :)

--
Soli Deo Gloria,

Stephen Macasil

I am a contributing author for http://www.BiblicalThought.com

"Resolved, never to give over, nor in the least to slacken, my fight with my
corruptions, however unsuccessful I may be"

--Jonathan Edwards
Resolutions, 56
***********************************************
"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that
God's Truth was attacked and yet would remain silent."

--John Calvin
***********************************************
"Sanctify them in the truth, your word is truth".

--John 17:17 [NASB]


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> Hey fellow soldiers! Did this group fall asleep or is everyone working on
> different projects? Just dropping in to say HI. Any good resources on the
> Emerging Movement? A friend of mine has begun promoting the term "the
> Diverging church". What dost thou thinkest? [KJV] - So, what do you think?
> [ESV] - How do you feel about it? [TNIV] :)
Quite frankly, I am somewhat sick and tired of pointed applied
adjectives to the word "church".  I think that a generation or three
previously, the longstanding fad was being persnickety about "baptist"
and "methodist" and "Roman" and "church of Christ" et cetera; and today,
the fad is to care more about "emerging" and "mainline" and "orthodox"
and "evangelical".

There is only one church.  It has many outward forms.  I think only one
person loves all of them.  But that one person is the only one whose
opinion really counts.  I find, that this one person whose opinion
really counts, encourages all to use any and all of the holy forms, if
to His glory.

J.E.B.

Who is this "one person" that you speak of?

Would you consider Islam to be one of the "owtward forms" of the "church?"

If so, why?  If not, why not?

Stephen
BiblicalThought.com


On 8/23/07, Jonathan E. Brickman <jeb@...> wrote:
>
>   > Hey fellow soldiers! Did this group fall asleep or is everyone working
> on
> > different projects? Just dropping in to say HI. Any good resources on
> the
> > Emerging Movement? A friend of mine has begun promoting the term "the
> > Diverging church". What dost thou thinkest? [KJV] - So, what do you
> think?
> > [ESV] - How do you feel about it? [TNIV] :)
> Quite frankly, I am somewhat sick and tired of pointed applied
> adjectives to the word "church". I think that a generation or three
> previously, the longstanding fad was being persnickety about "baptist"
> and "methodist" and "Roman" and "church of Christ" et cetera; and today,
> the fad is to care more about "emerging" and "mainline" and "orthodox"
> and "evangelical".
>
> There is only one church. It has many outward forms. I think only one
> person loves all of them. But that one person is the only one whose
> opinion really counts. I find, that this one person whose opinion
> really counts, encourages all to use any and all of the holy forms, if
> to His glory.
>
> J.E.B.
>
>
>



--
Soli Deo Gloria,

Stephen Macasil

I am a contributing author for http://www.BiblicalThought.com

"Resolved, never to give over, nor in the least to slacken, my fight with my
corruptions, however unsuccessful I may be"

--Jonathan Edwards
Resolutions, 56
***********************************************
"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that
God's Truth was attacked and yet would remain silent."

--John Calvin
***********************************************
"Sanctify them in the truth, your word is truth".

--John 17:17 [NASB]


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> Who is this "one person" that you speak of?

Are you seriously asking the question, or are you trying to make a point?

>
> Would you consider Islam to be one of the "owtward forms" of the "church?"
No.

>
> If so, why? If not, why not?
All Islamic teaching dictates contradiction of many of the commandments
and teachings of the founder of the church.

J.E.B.

> Who is this "one person" that you speak of?

Are you seriously asking the question, or are you trying to make a point?

I'm seriously asking the question.  Who is the "one person"?  I don't want
to take for granted that you are referring to God, who is three persons, so
I ask: Who is this "one person?"

>
> Would you consider Islam to be one of the "owtward forms" of the "church?"
No.

>
> If so, why? If not, why not?
All Islamic teaching dictates contradiction of many of the commandments
and teachings of the founder of the church.

Is it fair to say that, in your view, Scripture has supreme authority in the
matter of morals and doctrine, and that Islam, when held up to the
Scriptures as an Objective Standard, becomes clearly "outside" of the
biblical definition of the Church?

Stephen
BiblicalThought.com



On 8/23/07, Jonathan E. Brickman <jeb@...> wrote:
>
>   > Who is this "one person" that you speak of?
>
> Are you seriously asking the question, or are you trying to make a point?
>
> >
> > Would you consider Islam to be one of the "owtward forms" of the
> "church?"
> No.
>
> >
> > If so, why? If not, why not?
> All Islamic teaching dictates contradiction of many of the commandments
> and teachings of the founder of the church.
>
> J.E.B.
>
>
>



--
Soli Deo Gloria,

Stephen Macasil

I am a contributing author for http://www.BiblicalThought.com

"Resolved, never to give over, nor in the least to slacken, my fight with my
corruptions, however unsuccessful I may be"

--Jonathan Edwards
Resolutions, 56
***********************************************
"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that
God's Truth was attacked and yet would remain silent."

--John Calvin
***********************************************
"Sanctify them in the truth, your word is truth".

--John 17:17 [NASB]


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>
>>> Who is this "one person" that you speak of?
>> Are you seriously asking the question, or are you trying to make a point?
> I'm seriously asking the question. Who is the "one person"? I don't
> want to take for granted that you are referring to God, who is three
> persons, so I ask: Who is this "one person?"

I would like to suggest that God is one person, who is comprised of
many.  It is also God to whom I have referred.

>>> Would you consider Islam to be one of the "owtward forms" of the
>>> "church?"
>> No.
>>
>>> If so, why? If not, why not?
>> All Islamic teaching dictates contradiction of many of the commandments
>> and teachings of the founder of the church.
> Is it fair to say that, in your view, Scripture has supreme authority
> in the
> matter of morals and doctrine,
I do not think Scripture has anything supreme, except truth which cannot
be attained through purely human agency.  I think God, Personally and
directly, has all functional supremacy.

> and that Islam, when held up to the Scriptures as an Objective Standard,
I do not think that a human being can hold up anything to anything else
in true objectivity.  I think that such is beyond human capacity,
exactly the same way as it is true that the only one who is truly good,
according to the Lord, is God.

> becomes clearly "outside" of the biblical definition of the Church?
Depends on whose clarity you are relying upon.  The clarity of God when
He thinks?  I think so.  The clarity of most human beings in the world,
when they think?  I think not.  And am I going to rely on a fellow human
being's claim to clarity?  I am not; I know now that it is sin to do so,
because we are to pray all glory be given to God.

And when we are more careful with our communications, things become
considerably more difficult.  If we use the term "church" without
qualifier, and we adhere to an _unqualified_ usage, we are talking about
people-groupings in general; we have to say "the church of the Lord
Jesus Christ", to expose Islam.  And interestingly, the very concept of
"objective" cannot be found in Scripture in description of a holy human
being.

J.E.B.