There might be a good arguement for the idea that our western concept of duality
or of good and evil, and our idea that part of our inner nature is good and part
of inner nature is bad, is sign that we are screwed up, in fact schizophrenic in
some sense, that our psyches are fractured into pieces, rather than being
integrated wholes.

Of course thats just another opinion - is someone who a lot of people would call
"evil" possessed of some kind of evil spirit, or is that person just got a
screwed-up psyche, messed up into pieces, with a drive that might propel other
people into success in business or towards some other kind of achievement
somehow twisted and warped in some negative way?

We could speculate until the cows come home and not get anywhere.

Any Nietzschean music groups/acts out there that are beyond good and evil?

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, Karl Ikola <anopheles@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:29 PM, pecksmyth wrote:
>
> > Of course, this is all based on a background of Judeo-Christian
> > history and thought. Not sure if Buddhism and Hinduism apply here.
>
>
> Buddhism does not follow the Western notion of duality. Though
> generically, it's easy to see how "day/night", "light/heavy", "healthy/
> sick", etc, reinforce that notion through our use of language, etc. KI
>

Interesting story - thanks for taking the time to write all that.

Hopefully someone will provide more details.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "politician1966uk" <psychedelicadman@...>
wrote:
>
> The Jacula/Antonius Rex discography is one of the most contentious in rock for
reasons I'll come to later, but in overview it comprises the following albums:
>
> JACULA
> Tardo Pede In Magiam Versus (1972)
> In Cauda Semper Stat Venenum (2001, allegedly recorded and released 1969)
>
> ANTONIUS REX
> Zora (1977, reissued 1978 with an extra track and different sleeve)
> Ralefun (1979)
> Anno Demoni* (1992, allegedly recorded during the seventies and released in
1979)
> Neque Semper Arcum Tendit Rex (2002, allegedly recorded and released 1974)
> Praeternatural (2003, allegedly recorded and released 1980)
> Magic Ritual/Fairy Vision (2005)
> Switch On Dark (2006)
> Per Viam (2009)
>
> * Credited to Jacula and not Antonius Rex on the original CD release.
>
> There are also two 12" singles: "Ego Sum Qui Sum" (1991, credited to Doris
Norton Featuring Antonius Rex) and "Pig In The Witch" (1992, credited to
Antonius Rex), but these are dance music, like most of Doris Norton's solo
albums and all the recordings by her and Bartocetti's son Rex Anthony. Finally,
a 1971 or 1972 single by Invisible Force is actually Jacula in disguise, with
different versions of two "Tardo Pede In Magiam Versus" tracks.
>
> Here the fun and games begins. Nobody had ever encountered any of the albums
I've followed with the word "allegedly" before their various reissues. Yet on
the Antonius Rex website, you can buy "originals" of these for hundreds or even
thousands of euros.
>
> Using the evidence of my ears, "In Cauda Semper Stat Venenum" certainly wasn't
recorded in 1969, since it is mainly influenced by Black Sabbath. In fact, all
the alleged "reissues" of sixties, seventies and eighties works (excepting "Anno
Demoni", which is more electronic) sound rather similar to one another and to
the more recent albums, and nothing like the confirmed Jacula and Antonius Rex
releases from the seventies.
>
> Are they good? Yes, every one has its moments, although all the recent albums
and alleged reissues are in a prog-metal style far removed from "Tardo Pede In
Magiam Versus". When were they actually recorded and first released? Does
anybody on here know?
>
>
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@> wrote:
> >
> > The only album I am familiar with is "Tardo Pede" which I like, but I see
from the website http://www.antoniusrex.com/homepage-ab.htm  that they have
quite a few recordings.
> >
> > Any opinions on the others?
> >
> > How about the recent albums?
> >
>

That's an interesting take on Crowley.
But I think he was much more than that and had many facets, which included, IMO,
a prophet of some sort.
Take for example how he foresaw the events of 9/11 as he wrote them down 97
years before they happened.
Here are 2 examples of some 10 examples of this foretelling which is in his work
LIBER AL. Read them carefully.
Example 1. Marsyas speaks.

Liber CCXLI

MARSYAS;
The last spell! The availing word!
The two completed by the third!
The Lord of War, of Vengeance
That slayeth with a single glance!
This light is in me of my Lord.
His Name is this far-whirling sword.
I push His order. Keen and swift
My Hawk's eye flames; these arms uplift
The Banner of Silence and of Strength--
Hail! Hail! thou art here, my Lord, at length!
Lo, the Hawk-Headed Lord am I:
My nemyss shrouds the night-blue sky.
Hail! ye twin warriors that guard
The pillars of the world! Your time
Is nigh at hand. The snake that marred
Heaven with his inexhaustible slime
Is slain; I bear the Wand of Power,
The Wand that waxes and that wanes;
I crush the Universe this hour
In my left hand; and naught remains!
Ho! for the splendour in my name
Hidden and glorious, a flame
Secretly shooting from the sun.
Aum! Ha!--my destiny is done.
The Word is spoken and concealed.


==========================
Example 2:

The Cry of the 12th Aethyr,
Which is Called LOE

There appear in the stone two pillars of flame, and in the midst is a chariot of
white fire.
This seems to be the chariot of the Seventh Key of Tarot. But it is drawn by
four sphinxes, diverse, like
the four sphinxes upon the door of the vault of the adepts, counterchanged in
their component parts.
The chariot itself is the lunar crescent, waning.

The charioteer speaks in a low, solemn voice, awe-inspiring, like a large and
very distant bell: Let him
look upon the cup whose blood is mingled therein, for the wine of the cup is the
blood of the saints. Glory
unto the Scarlet Woman, Babalon the Mother of Abominations, that rideth upon the
Beast, for she hath
spilt their blood in every corner of the earth......

====================


--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "moelarryandjesus" <MoeLarryAndJesus@...>
wrote:
>
> I was referring to Satanism as a gimmick in music.  Naturally some murderous
nuts are drawn to oogie-boogie Halloween stuff.
>
> Crowley always just seemed like a skeevy old pervert to me.  La Vey was just a
carney.  The more dangerous guys were more underground....

You're right. We could go on for ages. Its getting very off-topic too.
Yet another genre, eh?
NOR
Nietzschean Oriented Rock.

H

===========

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@...> wrote:
>
> There might be a good arguement for the idea that our western concept of
duality or of good and evil, and our idea that part of our inner nature is good
and part of inner nature is bad, is sign that we are screwed up, in fact
schizophrenic in some sense, that our psyches are fractured into pieces, rather
than being integrated wholes.
>
> Of course thats just another opinion - is someone who a lot of people would
call "evil" possessed of some kind of evil spirit, or is that person just got a
screwed-up psyche, messed up into pieces, with a drive that might propel other
people into success in business or towards some other kind of achievement
somehow twisted and warped in some negative way?
>
> We could speculate until the cows come home and not get anywhere.
>
> Any Nietzschean music groups/acts out there that are beyond good and evil?
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, Karl Ikola <anopheles@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:29 PM, pecksmyth wrote:
> >
> > > Of course, this is all based on a background of Judeo-Christian
> > > history and thought. Not sure if Buddhism and Hinduism apply here.
> >
> >
> > Buddhism does not follow the Western notion of duality. Though
> > generically, it's easy to see how "day/night", "light/heavy", "healthy/
> > sick", etc, reinforce that notion through our use of language, etc. KI
> >
>

I was thinking aloud - the idea that a "God", if there is one, has to be 
"good", depends on the idea of a "God" that you start with.

You could imagine any kind of "God" you like (and probably many fantasy writers
have). For example, you could imagine some kind of being who created the
Universe and everything in it as some kind of sparkling toy for amusement, and
just toys with it occasionally, maybe even since has gone mad like some kind of
bubbling, babbling crazed Nylarhotep, and this is really the kind of Universe we
are in. I'm not saying it is, mind you, what I'm saying is that for all we know
it could be.

You say that people believe the "God is Good" version of "God" because that is
what lets them go on living. I am not sure I accept that - as far as I can see,
as time goes on, there are more and more people who do not believe in anything,
that think the whole concept of "God" and "afterlife" and "soul" is just a huge
big cartload of nonsense, that you have so many years to live and its eternal
dust after that.

Who knows anything really? Not me.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm, you throw a lot of hard concepts around here. A lot of "ifs" etc.. All I
was saying was that if you believe in God and God is the one who is always good
(He is apparently responsible for the mracle of birth and making you well and
saving you from injury etc...) then there MUST be a "bad" one who resides
somewhere who is responsible for bad things otherwise we couldn't blame bad
things on anyone and we really wouldn't know how good God is because there would
be no-one to compare Him to etc.. The nature of a Judeo-Christian God is that He
is always fighting and winning the battle with Satan because he represents good
and light fights the good fight to keep good outweighing bad - and that's what
people prefer to believe is the force that allows them to keep living, otherwise
we would all be conciously aware that we are living in an evil world where Satan
is in control and He has allowed us to be born etc... and people dont want to
live thinking that sort of thing.
> Its all about the necessary duality of God to show Him as the one solely in
full control of life and death and triumphant over bad/evil all the time. It's
easy and extremely pleasant to believe in an entity that triumphs over evil all
the time, esp when that same entity is doing it for us and is responsible for us
being alive but we need to understand that evil does infact exist in orderto
appreciate what God apparently does on our behalf.
> Cant explain my point of view any better than that. Sorry.
>
>
> By the way....Any other way of thinking is not going to work for a mainstream
society and all the major religions in the world (who need to continue the
status quo if they are going to survive and keep their tax-free status).
>
> ===============
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@> wrote:
> >
> > Could a person logically believe in the Devil and not in a Universal God?
> >
> > I don't think it is necessary true that if you believe in some kind of "God"
then you have to believe in an opposing "Devil" - well, if you believe in this
duality, maybe yes.
> >
> > A person could theorize all their life about this. Maybe there's just dead
matter and all life is just random association of molecules and physics. Maybe
in addition to matter, energy and forces, there is something else, some
"Universal Consciousness" and this is a "Force for Good", and the "Devil" is a
"vacuum" where the "Force for Good" has been cut off. Maybe in addition to
matter, energy and forces, there is something else, some "Universal
Consciousness", but its actually a "Force for Pure Evil".  Maybe all this
universe is just some creature's dream (as I think I read in a fantasy story
somewhere along the line). Maybe ......
> >
> > "The Devil's greatest trick wasn't convincing the world that he didn't exist
but that God did" - from somewhere on the web.
> >
> > --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> > >
> > > - In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > If you mean does the Devil exist - can anybody prove it one way or the
other - I doubt it
> > >
> > > >>If you believe there is a universal God, then you MUST believe in the
Devil or Satan because of the intrinsic "duality" of the concept of God, i.e.
God is good and is the uppermost deity of all things good. He is merciful and
the giver of life. But the concept of good, in order to exist and to understand
just how good the "good" is, must have an opposite, which is "bad" or as GWBush
put it "evil". And there must be a deity or top deity who is responsible for all
this bad as well. One who battles with God and who makes your mind battle with
itself when you are deciding to do good or bad in life. This deity is refered to
as Devil or Lucifer or Satan.
> > > The natural progression of the concept of understanding what God is all
about, is by comparison and if there is no bad, then there is no need for a
life-giving God who supposedly meets us in heaven etc...
> > > Of course, this is all based on a background of Judeo-Christian history
and thought. Not sure if Buddhism and Hinduism apply here.
> > >
> > >
> > > Haron.
> > >
> >
>

I personally think Crowley is one scary M-----f----r

I used to live in a house in Dublin that was divided up into apartments or
"flats".
There was a knock on my door one morning and there was this guy standing out
there. He sticks his hand out and says "Hello I'm M***** McL*******, I just got
out of prison". He turned out to be a Satanist, or more correctly, he followed
that path and genuinely believed in it. He had been in prison  for arson (he
said), but would not go into details. Whether he was crazy or not, he used to
tell me stories about being possessed by the Devil,  sending some part of
himself out of his body to "see" things at a distance, of being part of a
devil-worshiping commune over in England, of cursing a tree and it turning into
a rotting mess of stinking wood within a few days. I'm not saying all this is
true, but he believed it all. What I can tell you about him is that it became
very disturbing to be around him, whether there was something genuinely Satanic
about him, or that he was so fucking far out there in a really messed up way,
that it felt like he was distorting the space-time around him.

I eventually barred him from visiting my room, as the novelty of the stories he
used to tell was outweighed by the really disturbing space-time warping vibes.
Two little stories about him. This could have natural explanations (weather?),
but one day he called to visit, I had bought a couple of oranges - picked them
out myself earlier at the supermarket. Shortly after he left, I went to get an
orange to eat, and both had gone completely rotten and blue-molded. I do not
know what caused this really sudden collapse of these oranges within a few
hours.

The other story has its funny aspects. He was telling me how he made his pact
with the Devil when he was in his teens. You might imagine sacrificing a virgin
or a new-born infant, but he did it by driving a nail through the head of a
pigeon.

I imagine that being in the presence of Crowley would be like being in the
presence of this guy, but a whole, whole lot worse.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@...> wrote:
>
> That's an interesting take on Crowley.
> But I think he was much more than that and had many facets, which included,
IMO, a prophet of some sort.
> Take for example how he foresaw the events of 9/11 as he wrote them down 97
years before they happened.
> Here are 2 examples of some 10 examples of this foretelling which is in his
work LIBER AL. Read them carefully.
> Example 1. Marsyas speaks.
>
> Liber CCXLI
>
> MARSYAS;
> The last spell! The availing word!
> The two completed by the third!
> The Lord of War, of Vengeance
> That slayeth with a single glance!
> This light is in me of my Lord.
> His Name is this far-whirling sword.
> I push His order. Keen and swift
> My Hawk's eye flames; these arms uplift
> The Banner of Silence and of Strength--
> Hail! Hail! thou art here, my Lord, at length!
> Lo, the Hawk-Headed Lord am I:
> My nemyss shrouds the night-blue sky.
> Hail! ye twin warriors that guard
> The pillars of the world! Your time
> Is nigh at hand. The snake that marred
> Heaven with his inexhaustible slime
> Is slain; I bear the Wand of Power,
> The Wand that waxes and that wanes;
> I crush the Universe this hour
> In my left hand; and naught remains!
> Ho! for the splendour in my name
> Hidden and glorious, a flame
> Secretly shooting from the sun.
> Aum! Ha!--my destiny is done.
> The Word is spoken and concealed.
>
>
> ==========================
> Example 2:
>
> The Cry of the 12th Aethyr,
> Which is Called LOE
>
> There appear in the stone two pillars of flame, and in the midst is a chariot
of white fire.
> This seems to be the chariot of the Seventh Key of Tarot. But it is drawn by
four sphinxes, diverse, like
> the four sphinxes upon the door of the vault of the adepts, counterchanged in
their component parts.
> The chariot itself is the lunar crescent, waning.
>
> The charioteer speaks in a low, solemn voice, awe-inspiring, like a large and
very distant bell: Let him
> look upon the cup whose blood is mingled therein, for the wine of the cup is
the blood of the saints. Glory
> unto the Scarlet Woman, Babalon the Mother of Abominations, that rideth upon
the Beast, for she hath
> spilt their blood in every corner of the earth......
>
> ====================
>
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "moelarryandjesus" <MoeLarryAndJesus@>
wrote:
> >
> > I was referring to Satanism as a gimmick in music.  Naturally some murderous
nuts are drawn to oogie-boogie Halloween stuff.
> >
> > Crowley always just seemed like a skeevy old pervert to me.  La Vey was just
a carney.  The more dangerous guys were more underground....
>

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@...> wrote:
>
> That's an interesting take on Crowley.
> But I think he was much more than that and had many facets, which included,
IMO, a prophet of some sort.
> Take for example how he foresaw the events of 9/11 as he wrote them down 97
years before they happened.


If you actually believe that I suggest that you're mentally ill.  Get some help.

----- Original Message -----

From: pecksmyth

To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:16 AM

Subject: [psychedelica] Good/evil/duality..

 

Hmmm, you throw a lot of hard concepts around here. A lot of "ifs" etc.. All I was saying was that if you believe in God and God is the one who is always good (He is apparently responsible for the mracle of birth and making you well and saving you from injury etc...) then there MUST be a "bad" one who resides somewhere who is responsible for bad things otherwise we couldn't blame bad things on anyone and we really wouldn't know how good God is because there would be no-one to compare Him to etc.. The nature of a Judeo-Christian God is that He is always fighting and winning the battle with Satan because he represents good and light fights the good fight to keep good outweighing bad - and that's what people prefer to believe is the force that allows them to keep living, otherwise we would all be conciously aware that we are living in an evil world where Satan is in control and He has allowed us to be born etc... and people dont want to l ive thinking that sort of thing.
Its all about the necessary duality of God to show Him as the one solely in full control of life and death and triumphant over bad/evil all the time. It's easy and extremely pleasant to believe in an entity that triumphs over evil all the time, esp when that same entity is doing it for us and is responsible for us being alive but we need to understand that evil does infact exist in orderto appreciate what God apparently does on our behalf.
Cant explain my point of view any better than that. Sorry.

By the way....Any other way of thinking is not going to work for a mainstream society and all the major religions in the world (who need to continue the status quo if they are going to survive and keep their tax-free status).

===============

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@...> wrote:
>
> Could a person logically believe in the Devil and not in a Universal God?
>
> I don't think it is necessary true that if you believe in some kind of "God" then you have to believe in an opposing "Devil" - well, if you believe in this duality, maybe yes.
>
> A person could theorize all their life about this. Maybe there's just dead matter and all life is just random association of molecules and physics. Maybe in addition to matter, energy and forces, there is something else, some "Universal Consciousness" and this is a "Force for Good", and the "Devil" is a "vacuum" where the "Force for Good" has been cut off. Maybe in addition to matter, energy and forces, there is something else, some "Universal Consciousness", but its actually a "Force for Pure Evil". Maybe all this universe is just some creature's dream (as I think I read in a fantasy story somewhere along the line). Maybe ......
>
> "The Devil's greatest trick wasn't convincing the world that he didn't exist but that God did" - from somewhere on the web.
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> >
> > - In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you mean does the Devil exist - can anybody prove it one way or the other - I doubt it
> >
> > >>If you believe there is a universal God, then you MUST believe in the Devil or Satan because of the intrinsic "duality" of the concept of God, i.e. God is good and is the uppermost deity of all things good. He is merciful and the giver of life. But the concept of good, in order to exist and to understand just how good the "good" is, must have an opposite, which is "bad" or as GWBush put it "evil". And there must be a deity or top deity who is responsible for all this bad as well. One who battles with God and who makes your mind battle with itself when you are deciding to do good or bad in life. This deity is refered to as Devil or Lucifer or Satan.
> > The natural progression of the concept of understanding what God is all about, is by comparison and if there is no bad, then there is no need for a life-giving God who supposedly meets us in heaven etc...
> > Of course, this is all based on a background of Judeo-Christian history and thought. Not sure if Buddhism and Hinduism apply here.
> >
> >
> > Haron.
> >
>

I think at least having an open mind to all things is more preferable than to
write things off without some further study of the subject etc..
I am only paraphrasing his work. I think the words:

"Hail! ye twin warriors that guard
The pillars of the world! Your time Is nigh at hand."

and

"There appear in the stone two pillars of flame, and in the midst is a chariot
of white fire."

....are pretty similar to the events and they should be at least interesting
enough for some people to enquire further.

Man, if having an analytical mind and being interested in exploring ideas is
being "mentally ill", then so be it. Thats your bag.

Do what Thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

=============


--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "moelarryandjesus" <MoeLarryAndJesus@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> >
> > That's an interesting take on Crowley.
> > But I think he was much more than that and had many facets, which included,
IMO, a prophet of some sort.
> > Take for example how he foresaw the events of 9/11 as he wrote them down 97
years before they happened.
>
>
> If you actually believe that I suggest that you're mentally ill.  Get some
help.
>

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "moelarryandjesus" <MoeLarryAndJesus@...>
wrote:
>
> I don't think the Sabbath guys were believers in much besides groupies and
chemicals.
>

The way I see Sabbath's take on occultism is that it's simply part of their
extraordinary ability to reflect the mindset of teenagers growing up in
unglamorous cities or suburbs... Black Sabbath fool around with Satanism in
exactly the same way as bored teenagers might... it becomes part of a grim,
realistic picture, like a Ken Loach movie.

// Patrick

-----Original Message-----
From: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:psychedelica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of smokey oaks
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 4:53 PM
To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [psychedelica] Re: Weird eBay l.p.

WOW, I did not know it was that early, I do not recall these being around, 1968 was when they were test marketing them. Still seems kind of querky to me. My weed never came in one until the 90s. Later,       Jake --- On Sat, 10/24/09, moelarryandjesus <MoeLarryAndJesus@...> wrote: From: moelarryandjesus <MoeLarryAndJesus@...> Subject: [psychedelica] Re: Weird eBay l.p. To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 7:36 PM   You're right, sort of. It wasn't 1971. It was 1968. --- In psychedelica@ yahoogroups. com, smokey oaks <smokeyoaks@ ...> wrote: > > > description states > > ALSO COMES WITH A ZIPLOCK BAG FULL OFF WEIRD STUFFED PUG PROPAGANDA > > When were ziplock bags 1st manufactured I know it was not 1971 > > Later, > Jake >

Apparently...

" The soul has an absolute, unforgiving need for excursions into
enchantment. It requires them like the body needs food and the mind
needs thought. Yet our culture often takes pride in disproving and
exploding the sources of enchantment, explaining away one mystery after
another and overturning precious shrines, dissolving the family farm
that has housed spirits of civility for eons, or desecrating for
material profit a mountain or stream sacred to native residents. We have
yet to learn that we can't survive without enchantment and that the loss
is killing us."
Thomas Moore - The Re-Enchantment Of Everyday life.


-----Original Message-----
From: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:psychedelica@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of moelarryandjesus
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 5:02 PM
To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [psychedelica] Re: Weird eBay l.p.


Your weed guys must have been traditionalists.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, smokey oaks <smokeyoaks@...> wrote:
>
> WOW, I did not know it was that early, I do not recall these being
> around, 1968 was when they were test marketing them. Still seems kind
> of querky to me. My weed never came in one until the 90s.
>
> Later,
>       Jake
>
> --- On Sat, 10/24/09, moelarryandjesus <MoeLarryAndJesus@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: moelarryandjesus <MoeLarryAndJesus@...>
> Subject: [psychedelica] Re: Weird eBay l.p.
> To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 7:36 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> You're right, sort of. It wasn't 1971. It was 1968.
>
> --- In psychedelica@ yahoogroups. com, smokey oaks <smokeyoaks@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > description states
> >
> > ALSO COMES WITH A ZIPLOCK BAG FULL OFF WEIRD STUFFED PUG PROPAGANDA
> >
> > When were ziplock bags 1st manufactured I know it was not 1971
> >
> > Later,
> > Jake
> >
>




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Quite amazing.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Thomson" <codeman@...> wrote:
>
> This old boy can juggle. He does it to McCartney music. When the tune
> gets going fast, so does he. It's pretty wild. Hope it gets through
> okay.
>

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Karl Ikola wrote:
>
> On Oct 28, 2009, at 4:29 PM, pecksmyth wrote:
>
>> Of course, this is all based on a background of Judeo-Christian
>> history and thought. Not sure if Buddhism and Hinduism apply here.
>
>
> Buddhism does not follow the Western notion of duality. Though
> generically, it's easy to see how "day/night", "light/heavy",
> "healthy/sick", etc, reinforce that notion through our use of
> language, etc. KI
   Yin and Yang. For every action there is an equal but opposite reaction
- just
saying it's not strictly a western thing.

Ilkka Vekka wrote:
>  >One I do wonder about is Kalacakra - Crawling to Lhasa.
> Seems to be quite dark and menacing and somewhat evil to me.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUy-UbxNprQ
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUy-UbxNprQ>
>
> Anyone know the inside story here?<
>
> Judging by the band name & the album title, they were influenced by
> Tibetan Buddhism.
> Tibetan buddhist ritual music is quite dark & menacing and probably for
> hardcore Christians, rather Satanic too, lol.
> Great album btw, if anyone has the boot reissue lp for sale, let me know.
> I.
>
  http://www.cdgo.com/artistaDetalhe.php?nomeArtista=KALACHAKRA&lang=PT&lang=EN

  I have the CD, I'd have to dig it out to see who released it though.

Oh, fuck, yeah!  He had it down COLD!

He was a regular NOSTRADUMBASS!

(Another bogus "prediction magnate.")

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@...> wrote:
>
> I think at least having an open mind to all things is more preferable than to
write things off without some further study of the subject etc..
> I am only paraphrasing his work. I think the words:
>
> "Hail! ye twin warriors that guard
> The pillars of the world! Your time Is nigh at hand."
>
> and
>
> "There appear in the stone two pillars of flame, and in the midst is a chariot
of white fire."
>
> ....are pretty similar to the events and they should be at least interesting
enough for some people to enquire further.
>
> Man, if having an analytical mind and being interested in exploring ideas is
being "mentally ill", then so be it. Thats your bag.
>
> Do what Thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
>
> =============
>
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "moelarryandjesus" <MoeLarryAndJesus@>
wrote:
> >
> > --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's an interesting take on Crowley.
> > > But I think he was much more than that and had many facets, which
included, IMO, a prophet of some sort.
> > > Take for example how he foresaw the events of 9/11 as he wrote them down
97 years before they happened.
> >
> >
> > If you actually believe that I suggest that you're mentally ill.  Get some
help.
> >
>

The pseudo-intellectual wackiness associated with bogus prophets is known as
postdiction or "retroactive clairvoyance" and just cracks me up.  "Having an
open mind" has nothing to do with it.  Believing in this sort of nonsense is
like thinking the Easter Bunny is real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_clairvoyance

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "moelarryandjesus" <MoeLarryAndJesus@...>
wrote:
>
> Oh, fuck, yeah!  He had it down COLD!
>
> He was a regular NOSTRADUMBASS!
>
> (Another bogus "prediction magnate.")
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> >
> > I think at least having an open mind to all things is more preferable than
to write things off without some further study of the subject etc..
> > I am only paraphrasing his work. I think the words:
> >
> > "Hail! ye twin warriors that guard
> > The pillars of the world! Your time Is nigh at hand."
> >
> > and
> >
> > "There appear in the stone two pillars of flame, and in the midst is a
chariot of white fire."
> >
> > ....are pretty similar to the events and they should be at least interesting
enough for some people to enquire further.
> >
> > Man, if having an analytical mind and being interested in exploring ideas is
being "mentally ill", then so be it. Thats your bag.
> >
> > Do what Thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
> >
> > =============
> >
> >
> > --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "moelarryandjesus" <MoeLarryAndJesus@>
wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's an interesting take on Crowley.
> > > > But I think he was much more than that and had many facets, which
included, IMO, a prophet of some sort.
> > > > Take for example how he foresaw the events of 9/11 as he wrote them down
97 years before they happened.
> > >
> > >
> > > If you actually believe that I suggest that you're mentally ill.  Get some
help.
> > >
> >
>

-----Original Message-----
From: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:psychedelica@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of XXXRecords
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 3:05 AM
To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [psychedelica] Good/evil/duality..

Religion is supposed to be the faith of all the good - yet instead it is the root of all evil.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: pecksmyth

To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 1:16 AM

Subject: [psychedelica] Good/evil/duality..

 

Hmmm, you throw a lot of hard concepts around here. A lot of "ifs" etc.. All I was saying was that if you believe in God and God is the one who is always good (He is apparently responsible for the mracle of birth and making you well and saving you from injury etc...) then there MUST be a "bad" one who resides somewhere who is responsible for bad things otherwise we couldn't blame bad things on anyone and we really wouldn't know how good God is because there would be no-one to compare Him to etc.. The nature of a Judeo-Christian God is that He is always fighting and winning the battle with Satan because he represents good and light fights the good fight to keep good outweighing bad - and that's what people prefer to believe is the force that allows them to keep living, otherwise we would all be conciously aware that we are living in an evil world where Satan is in control and He has allowed us to be born etc... and people dont want to l ive thinking that sort of thing.
Its all about the necessary duality of God to show Him as the one solely in full control of life and death and triumphant over bad/evil all the time. It's easy and extremely pleasant to believe in an entity that triumphs over evil all the time, esp when that same entity is doing it for us and is responsible for us being alive but we need to understand that evil does infact exist in orderto appreciate what God apparently does on our behalf.
Cant explain my point of view any better than that. Sorry.

By the way....Any other way of thinking is not going to work for a mainstream society and all the major religions in the world (who need to continue the status quo if they are going to survive and keep their tax-free status).

===============

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@...> wrote:
>
> Could a person logically believe in the Devil and not in a Universal God?
>
> I don't think it is necessary true that if you believe in some kind of "God" then you have to believe in an opposing "Devil" - well, if you believe in this duality, maybe yes.
>
> A person could theorize all their life about this. Maybe there's just dead matter and all life is just random association of molecules and physics. Maybe in addition to matter, energy and forces, there is something else, some "Universal Consciousness" and this is a "Force for Good", and the "Devil" is a "vacuum" where the "Force for Good" has been cut off. Maybe in addition to matter, energy and forces, there is something else, some "Universal Consciousness", but its actually a "Force for Pure Evil". Maybe all this universe is just some creature's dream (as I think I read in a fantasy story somewhere along the line). Maybe ......
>
> "The Devil's greatest trick wasn't convincing the world that he didn't exist but that God did" - from somewhere on the web.
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> >
> > - In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clashton1re" <clashton@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If you mean does the Devil exist - can anybody prove it one way or the other - I doubt it
> >
> > >>If you believe there is a universal God, then you MUST believe in the Devil or Satan because of the intrinsic "duality" of the concept of God, i.e. God is good and is the uppermost deity of all things good. He is merciful and the giver of life. But the concept of good, in order to exist and to understand just how good the "good" is, must have an opposite, which is "bad" or as GWBush put it "evil". And there must be a deity or top deity who is responsible for all this bad as well. One who battles with God and who makes your mind battle with itself when you are deciding to do good or bad in life. This deity is refered to as Devil or Lucifer or Satan.
> > The natural progression of the concept of understanding what God is all about, is by comparison and if there is no bad, then there is no need for a life-giving God who supposedly meets us in heaven etc...
> > Of course, this is all based on a background of Judeo-Christian history and thought. Not sure if Buddhism and Hinduism apply here.
> >
> >
> > Haron.
> >
>

I see a lot of good in the contemplative/meditative traditions - and there's
even some of that in Christian/Islamic/Judaic history - but once religion
becomes a matter of fear-driven authority with a lot of stupid rules about sex
and shaving and what you can do on Tuesday but not on Saturday, fuck it.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Thomson" <codeman@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's spirituality that's the faith of all the good. Religion is
> man made & is big business. It has become the root of all evil. Just
> like the love of money.
>

Heard 2 tracks this week from his "Velvateur" lp.
"Am I supposed to..." and "Castles Burning".
They are great tracks and bordering on real acid folk.
Is the lp uniformly good. Any opinions/reviews would be good.

H

Oh yes, a very atmospheric and ethereal album, the stand out track for me is My
Spirits Calling. Has it had a reissue?

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@...> wrote:
>
> Heard 2 tracks this week from his "Velvateur" lp.
> "Am I supposed to..." and "Castles Burning".
> They are great tracks and bordering on real acid folk.
> Is the lp uniformly good. Any opinions/reviews would be good.
>
> H
>

Sunbeam did it on CD with 5 extra tracks.  No vinyl yet.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "clearlight67" <graynewell@...> wrote:
>
> Oh yes, a very atmospheric and ethereal album, the stand out track for me is
My Spirits Calling. Has it had a reissue?
>
> --- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "pecksmyth" <haron@> wrote:
> >
> > Heard 2 tracks this week from his "Velvateur" lp.
> > "Am I supposed to..." and "Castles Burning".
> > They are great tracks and bordering on real acid folk.
> > Is the lp uniformly good. Any opinions/reviews would be good.
> >
> > H
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: moelarryandjesus

To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 1:16 AM

Subject: [psychedelica] Re: Good/evil/duality..

 

I see a lot of good in the contemplative/meditative traditions - and there's even some of that in Christian/Islamic/Judaic history - but once religion becomes a matter of fear-driven authority with a lot of stupid rules about sex and shaving and what you can do on Tuesday but not on Saturday, fuck it.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Thomson" <codeman@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's spirituality that's the faith of all the good. Religion is
> man made & is big business. It has become the root of all evil. Just
> like the love of money.
>

AMEN ! Most religions are fear based. Those friggin' nuns always put the
fear of God into me. If you don't go to church it's a mortal sin &
you'll go to hell. How the hell can you love a God that you're scared to
death of ?!? Love doesn't go well with fear. I had that shit shoved down
my throat up into high school when I had to go to CCD classes. No meat
on Fridays. And forget the Jehovah Witnesses. No parties, no flying in
airplanes, no jewelry, no frivilous sex etc. Talk about control & power
over people. I heard on the radio a few days ago that orthodox Jews
can't even watch t.v. Not that it's a bad thing but the right to choose
is nice. I've heard but can't confirm that the catholic church removed a
lot from the bible. It would be a shame if we found out some things that
we shouldn't. Supposedly they pulled a chapter on reincarnation from the
bible. I knew a girl that was big on studying various religions. She was
very intelligent & was who told me about chapters being removed. Also
she said the Apocrypha & the Pseudapigrypha were books that were
removed. They were each 300 pages or more so I can understand that but I
don't want any part of attempt at control as far as I go. They say mafia
money can be traced right to the Vatican...Bill.


-----Original Message-----
From: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com [mailto:psychedelica@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of moelarryandjesus
Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 7:16 PM
To: psychedelica@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [psychedelica] Re: Good/evil/duality..


I see a lot of good in the contemplative/meditative traditions - and
there's even some of that in Christian/Islamic/Judaic history - but once
religion becomes a matter of fear-driven authority with a lot of stupid
rules about sex and shaving and what you can do on Tuesday but not on
Saturday, fuck it.

--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Thomson" <codeman@...> wrote:
>
> Maybe it's spirituality that's the faith of all the good. Religion is
> man made & is big business. It has become the root of all evil. Just
> like the love of money.
>




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--- In psychedelica@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Thomson" <codeman@...> wrote:
>
I've heard but can't confirm that the catholic church removed a
> lot from the bible. It would be a shame if we found out some things that
> we shouldn't. Supposedly they pulled a chapter on reincarnation from the
> bible. I knew a girl that was big on studying various religions. She was
> very intelligent & was who told me about chapters being removed. Also
> she said the Apocrypha & the Pseudapigrypha were books that were
> removed. They were each 300 pages or more so I can understand that but I
> don't want any part of attempt at control as far as I go. They say mafia
> money can be traced right to the Vatican...Bill.
>

There was money long before there was a Vatican.  And there was no Bible as such
before the Catholic Church cobbled it together.  It was a matter of choosing
what to put in, not a matter of taking things out.