Hey guys,

I have a problem with sound being too basey. It sounds drowned out when i
turn up the volume on my computer.. I can turn down my computer to
almost nil and then just vary the volume with the receiver, but it's more
convenient at the computer.

Is there any method that can be used to tune the inputs and outputs for
best sound?

I noticed a big difference when using the AUX and PHONO inputs.. the PHONO
inputs have the drowning problem.. AUX is almost too quiet..

-- Robi

<I noticed a big difference when using the AUX and PHONO inputs.. the PHONO
<inputs have the drowning problem.. AUX is almost too quiet..

You should only use the Aux or Tape inputs on the reciever with your soundcard.

That's because on the phono I/P you have RIAA Equalisation which is the EQ curve
for vinyl records.

When the record is cut the RIAA EQ CUTS the BASS & BOOSTS the TREBLE
When the record is played the phono I/p applies Inverse RIAA curve that BOOSTS
the BASS and CUTS the TREBLE.
This is for technical reasons mainly to increase signal to noise ratio and to
save space on the disk.

BUT the soundcard signal is ideally a flat frequency responce and when played
into an RIAA eqalised input will have the
the BASS BOOSTED and  the TREBLE CUT, which is the effect you have got.

Also the phono I/P is expecting only a few mV of signal from a magntetic
cartridge, so you will
overload it with the output from your sound card which will be 10-100x too much.

Hope this helps.

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Bought this yesterday, really really nice DTS surround-mix, it's
active instead of just ambient in the rear. Also a great musical
performance and the video is well-shot.

He was helping me out with a project, but now he isn't answering
emails?  Has anyone else heard from him?   mrheavy_2000

I was reading Joseph J. Carr's "FM Stereo/Quad Receiver Servicing
Manual" (Jan. 1974) and was wondering what manufactures and models
this type of circuitry was used in.
Any help is appreciated!   mrheavy_2000

That's a good question, I miss his posts on the QuadraphonicQuad board. I
e-mailed him about 8 months ago, and he said that he was working 12 hours a
day so he didn't have time to log onto the internet. I don't know if he is
still that busy, or if he is just burned out on the whole Quad thing. Hey
Rob, if you're out there lurking somewhere let us know that you're still
around.
Brian


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>Subject: [Quadraphonic Quad] Where is Rob (allaroundsound)?
>Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 15:28:59 -0000
>
>He was helping me out with a project, but now he isn't answering
>emails?  Has anyone else heard from him?   mrheavy_2000
>
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Hi all!

      I just noticed there is  a Harman/Kardon 800+  for sale at the local second
hand store. They're asking about $150 for it.   It  seems to be in very good
condition.

     I tried to find some info on this unit but..no success. Just one awful
picture.
Can anyone tell something about this beautiful box?:)




Lauri, Finland

Hi Lauri,

I owned an H/K 800+ that I just sold a couple of months ago. They are
excellent receivers - great tone, a decent amount of RMS power (20 WPC in
4-ch mode? I can't remember, but not awful), and the decoder section is
sufficient, although not as excellent as a standalone decoder from JVC (for
CD4) or Lafayette (for SQ). I don't recall this unit having a QS decoder
function.

The only Achilles heel is the joystick balance control, which has a tendency
to get dirty and must be cleaned. A friend of mine swore by WD-40 sprayed
into the pots, but I don't know if I'd recommend that ;)

I'd definitely pick it up. It's a very pretty unit with excellent
engineering.

Clark Novak
Oceanside, California



> -----Original Message-----
> From: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com
> Message: 1
>    Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:42:15 -0000
>    From: l_vanajas
> Subject: H/K Quad Receiver found!
>
> Hi all!
>
>      I just noticed there is  a Harman/Kardon 800+  for sale
> at the local second
> hand store. They're asking about $150 for it.   It  seems to
> be in very good
> condition.
>
>     I tried to find some info on this unit but..no success.
> Just one awful picture.
> Can anyone tell something about this beautiful box?:)
>
>
>
>
> Lauri, Finland

Thanks for the info, Clark!

    Yes, this seems like a very nice one...i just wish i had the money
for it right now:/

     Tomorrow i'm going to spray some WD-40 into my Sansui QRX-7001,
getting some dirty sound from the pots there too.. Another project:
fix the Fisher 501 Quad receiver, rear left doesn't work anymore.

   So, after a long long break, i'm doing some quad stuff again!


Lauri

--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, "Clark Novak" <steelydn@p...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Lauri,
>
> I owned an H/K 800+ that I just sold a couple of months ago. They are
> excellent receivers - great tone, a decent amount of RMS power (20
WPC in
> 4-ch mode? I can't remember, but not awful), and the decoder section is
> sufficient, although not as excellent as a standalone decoder from
JVC (for
> CD4) or Lafayette (for SQ). I don't recall this unit having a QS decoder
> function.
>
> The only Achilles heel is the joystick balance control, which has a
tendency
> to get dirty and must be cleaned. A friend of mine swore by WD-40
sprayed
> into the pots, but I don't know if I'd recommend that ;)
>
> I'd definitely pick it up. It's a very pretty unit with excellent
> engineering.
>
> Clark Novak
> Oceanside, California
>

>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com
> > Message: 1
> >    Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2004 16:42:15 -0000
> >    From: l_vanajas
> > Subject: H/K Quad Receiver found!
> >
> > Hi all!
> >
> >      I just noticed there is  a Harman/Kardon 800+  for sale
> > at the local second
> > hand store. They're asking about $150 for it.   It  seems to
> > be in very good
> > condition.
> >
> >     I tried to find some info on this unit but..no success.
> > Just one awful picture.
> > Can anyone tell something about this beautiful box?:)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Lauri, Finland

>
>    Yes, this seems like a very nice one...i just wish i had the money
> for it right now:/

I have a 50+, not as fancy and w/ different features, but a great unit
too.
>
>     Tomorrow i'm going to spray some WD-40 into my Sansui QRX-7001,
> getting some dirty sound from the pots there too.. Another project:
> fix the Fisher 501 Quad receiver, rear left doesn't work anymore.

Um, I would get a can of tuner cleaner (or contact cleaner, depending on
what they call it).  DeOxIt is supposed to be a good brand, in the US the
RadioShack chain carries their own brand.  I had a dirty tape loop monitor
switch on my Superscope, not to mention lots of uses on non-quad gear!

>   So, after a long long break, i'm doing some quad stuff again!

Wish I could get my quad stuff out, right now all I have hooked up is the
DVD-A player w/ a little Panasonic "44 series" reciever and 4 small
speakers :(

	 Dan

Hillsboro, Oregon

I bought a real cheap Kenwood 707 receiver for $167, and I think you
can get it even cheaper than that. I have it hooked to a 6.1 speaker
set-up, and I find myself really enjoying that. It has dts onboard
and also the new DD EX 6.1, PLII and takes 6.1 inputs as well as the
usual digitals. It works really well with my dts discs and DVDs,
about 95% as good as the Millenium, to be honest. The new Lord of
the Rings in DD EX just rocks totally. I also love the way this
decodes Dolby surround on my older VHS tapes. The Beatles Yellow
Submarine, e.g. is just awesome. If I could I would transfer the
music mix from that to dts.....

One thing I enjoy is feeding my old Q8's and reels into the amp and
matrixing center front, rear and sw for a discrete quad/matrixed 6.1
combo. In particualr, the bass sounds much better, less muddy than
just with plain old quad, and for some reason the drums come out a
bit crisper. Also, it's fun to run some of my old stereo 8 tracks
through Pro Logic II to see what gets decoded. Interesting
surprises, like PFM _Photos of Ghosts_ just leaps out of the rears.

It's amazing to me you can get so many different and fun things out
of such a cheap box.

Speaking of cheap, there's some really good free dts d/l's been
added to the Swedish site at
http://www.sr.se/multikanal/english/e_index.stm including some full
CD's worth, like the live concert by Musique a neuf from Belgium,
which is either very jazzy folk or folky jazz, done as sort of a
palm court orchestra chamber ensemble. Very european, but also
exquisitly good. The classical concert is also very good. The most
hilarious is the demo that is a contest between Sweden and Norway to
see who can create the best surround amplifier. It's in English and
hiysterically funny, and a good way to wow your friends when showing
off the surround system.

I got the DVD of them live and while the performance is fun (my kids
like it) I couldn't believe it's only in Dolby stereo. HOWEVER, on
the reverse of the DVD, oddly, is a three song demo in DTS and it's
worth buying the disc (I paid $10) just for this alone, as the dts
mix is truly awesome, including one song with Dave Matthews on
vocals.

It's not often to hear real active discrete multichannel mixes of
NEW music, as opposed to live stuff done in surround, and this stuff
is really good. I can't wait till their full album comes out in dts.

Oh, musics sort of very percussive Art of Noise type stuff.

As part of my "listening to absolutely everything in surround" the
way I listen to LP's now is I feed a decent turntable and amp combo
into my Audigy 2, use noise software to eliminate the clicks and
hiss and then matrix out to 5.1. Gives it great depth and oomph I
find, and also with the noise fiddle I can listen to my ancient
stuff and it sounds nice, and if I find an LP for a quarter or
whatever, I'll go ahead and buy it even if it's scratched. If it's
rare enough I can just burn a CD of the cleaned up sound.

This nifty cheapo technology unlocks and expands literally thousands
of possibilities for me that were never there before, but whcih I
knew all along would come eventually, or so I told my wife over the
past 25 years every time she threatened to chuck it all ("Why would
you want to hang on to those useless old scratchy records?")

> Um, I would get a can of tuner cleaner (or contact cleaner, depending on
> what they call it).  DeOxIt is supposed to be a good brand, in the
US the
> RadioShack chain carries their own brand.  I had a dirty tape loop
monitor
> switch on my Superscope, not to mention lots of uses on non-quad gear!
>


      Yep. I was just a little confused with the product names - WD40
is a _lubricant_, as someone just reminded me..but no worries, i
didn't think
of spraying some lubricant oil stuff into my receivers switches/pots :)

   I think i'm gonna use some of these Contact Chemie products.
Separate products for cleaning printed circuits, normal connections
(switches, pots etc.) and gold-plated connectors!


Lauri

OK, so here's my problem this time:

  I tried to adjust the voltage that drives the decoder boards at
QRX-7001, just like "Quad" Bob is suggesting  at
http://hometown.aol.com/matrixquad/sansui.htm (that's a nice site, by
the way:)

  Unfortunately, i didn't find the pot/trimmer. That's because my
Sansui seems to have a different board where the decoders are attached
to.

   On QuadBob's site you can see a board with  "F-2428" marked on it,
  and my version is "F-2428-1". Of course, i tried to follow the
contact route from pin 5 to the center of this board but just couldn't
find any pots there.. Now, the question is, does anyone have
information about this board? Is it really without a voltage
adjustment, could it be on
the other boards?

    The voltage my decoders are getting (pin 5) is just 22 volts -
could be nice to adjust it to the original 25 v:)


    I'm going to post some pictures of my sansui's boards soon so you
can see how they look like.


   Lauri

There is a way to ceate your own 5.1 mixes out of old (and even newer)
stereo recordings by using any audio software with a "Center Channel
Extractor" program.  Nero 6 has a good one, so does Adobe Audition (was
Cool Edit Pro).  There are many various combiinations you can use, but a
basic one is to start with a stereo recording and create two mono WAVs,
one of the L channel and one the R channel.  These will be your LF and
RF channels.  Then, using the original stereo file again, run the Center
Extractor Program (sometimes called a "stereo karaoke"  filter), this
gives a stereo image of the L channel and R channel with anything that
was mixed in the center of the stereo image removed (such as vocals or
bass or lead guitar).  As above, create two mono WAVs, one of the L
channel and one the R channel.  These will be your Ls and Rs channels.
  Then go back to the original stereo image and  run the Center Channel
Extractor with the opposite settings of before, this will create an
image of *only* the sounds mixed in the center..  the vocals, the lead
guitar, etc.  Make a mono WAV of this, it will be your C channel.  Then
assign these mono WAV files to your surround sound mixer (AA has a very
cool one), and burn to DTS or DD image with the appropriate software.
  With any luck you'll hear some awesome separations on old stereo
recordings you never thought you'd ever be able to hear in surround!! ;)

Have fun!

krnewman wrote:

> I bought a real cheap Kenwood 707 receiver for $167, and I think you
> can get it even cheaper than that. I have it hooked to a 6.1 speaker
> set-up, and I find myself really enjoying that. It has dts onboard
> and also the new DD EX 6.1, PLII and takes 6.1 inputs as well as the
> usual digitals. It works really well with my dts discs and DVDs,
> about 95% as good as the Millenium, to be honest. The new Lord of
> the Rings in DD EX just rocks totally. I also love the way this
> decodes Dolby surround on my older VHS tapes. The Beatles Yellow
> Submarine, e.g. is just awesome. If I could I would transfer the
> music mix from that to dts.....
>
> One thing I enjoy is feeding my old Q8's and reels into the amp and
> matrixing center front, rear and sw for a discrete quad/matrixed 6.1
> combo. In particualr, the bass sounds much better, less muddy than
> just with plain old quad, and for some reason the drums come out a
> bit crisper. Also, it's fun to run some of my old stereo 8 tracks
> through Pro Logic II to see what gets decoded. Interesting
> surprises, like PFM _Photos of Ghosts_ just leaps out of the rears.
>
> It's amazing to me you can get so many different and fun things out
> of such a cheap box.
>
> Speaking of cheap, there's some really good free dts d/l's been
> added to the Swedish site at
> http://www.sr.se/multikanal/english/e_index.stm including some full
> CD's worth, like the live concert by Musique a neuf from Belgium,
> which is either very jazzy folk or folky jazz, done as sort of a
> palm court orchestra chamber ensemble. Very european, but also
> exquisitly good. The classical concert is also very good. The most
> hilarious is the demo that is a contest between Sweden and Norway to
> see who can create the best surround amplifier. It's in English and
> hiysterically funny, and a good way to wow your friends when showing
> off the surround system.
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I personnally haven't had a bad quad experience, but if you have,
please share it with us.  A unit that couldn't be fixed or wouldn't
stay fixed or any out-right lemons from the start?  Receivers, amps,
car 8-track players, home 8-track recorders or players, or reel-to-
reel decks.   mrheavy_2000

The only *problems* I've had I really wouldn't be something I would call a
lemon.  I bought a Sony with a built in turntable.  It had a dead channel
and a burnt up power transformer.  I don't know why, but I actually got
the thing fixed and working!  I also bought an ebay Akai 1730D-SS, which
ended up needing 3 new amplifier ICs.  I suspect that this was do to a
power spike or something, as the amps are on seperate circuit boards.
Replacing the parts and using a good surge protector has gotten it up and
running with no problems.  There are units that I have that were never
much to begin with, but are more lacking in features than in quality.
Anyone else?

	 Dan


On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, mrheavy_2000 wrote:

> I personnally haven't had a bad quad experience, but if you have,
> please share it with us.  A unit that couldn't be fixed or wouldn't
> stay fixed or any out-right lemons from the start?  Receivers, amps,
> car 8-track players, home 8-track recorders or players, or reel-to-
> reel decks.   mrheavy_2000
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

the DVD of Once Upon a Time in Mexico is in the new DD EX 6.1 and has
a truly awesome musical mix over the end credits, a kind of
Mexican/surf music hybrid with fast guitars all over the soundstage.
Very impressive. The movie itself is kind of goofy and weird and over
the top, in a fun way, which you either like or hate, but either way
it's worth checking out that incredible 6.1 mix.

It's a fun movie, and Rodriguez does most of the sound editing and
mixing (and composing and some performing as well) on his movies.
  There's a great behind the scenes extra bit on the DVD that shows how
he does most of it in his garage which hss been converted to a very
state of the art studio!

krnewman wrote:

> the DVD of Once Upon a Time in Mexico is in the new DD EX 6.1 and has
> a truly awesome musical mix over the end credits, a kind of
> Mexican/surf music hybrid with fast guitars all over the soundstage.
> Very impressive. The movie itself is kind of goofy and weird and over
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> it's worth checking out that incredible 6.1 mix.
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on the original DVD issue of Space Jam there's a "music only" option
which plays just the musical soundtrack for the movie in DD 5.1 (my
amp decoded it in DD EX). It's a really great soundtrack, especially
if you like cartoon music.

BTW, I still have only just scratched the surface of all the amazing
things that you can do with PL II. Fosgate has really created
something amazing with this. A few nights ago I listened to Zappa's
_Uncle Meat_ on vinyl and there was highly discrete sounding rear
action all over the place. I hear things I have never heard before on
the record, and what I had heard before had all sorts of new
textures, or rather, textures Zappa put there that I could never hear
until Fosgate made it possible.

Of course, anything classical sounds great in PLII. There's isn't
often extra rear action with it, but the room acoustics open right
up, making instruments sound much richer and wider.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/hitchhikers/

Go for it!

Did anyoneget a copy of the first episode in surround thay could pass
on? They only keep each episode upfor a week. By the time I managed
to get around to doing it, the 1st episode was gone already. I got
the second OK, and the sound and surround quality are great.

What I did was play the broadband 5.1 version in Real Player, and
then used a capture program to record "What U Hear" into a stereo
WAV. Then burned an audio CD and played back on my system decoding
with PLII and the results:

sound quality: excellent, none of that thin or metallic sound you
usually get with web broadcasts. This was rich and deep, nice highs.

Surround: excellent, PLII made it sound very very discretish, with
voices coming from the appropriate rear speakers and wonderful
circular whoosh whoosh effects that really circled.

I'l be happy to pass on  episode 2 if you need it.

Hey I'm new to the quad scene and I'm totally hooked.  There are some
titles I'd like to aquire on DTS CD.  I've found a few things through
file sharing channels, but I was wondering if there was a specific
place to go like online (Direct Connect, etc.) for getting this stuff.

Thanks!

Hi, nice to hear from a fellow Quad nut.  Wish I could
help, but I'm one of the "old school" quad guys, I
have no DTS or DVD playback or record capibility.
Instead, I have a huge collection of the original quad
recordings, in their original formats.  I have been
into quad since it began around 1971.  I only collect
and play vinyl and analog tapes, as in Quad LP's and
Quad 8-Tracks and Open Reels.  I am aware of the new
formats, but don't want to get into yet another area,
I'm spread too thin time wise already with what I
collect.  I know in the Quadraphonic Quad forum, there
are people who post and are big into this new stuff, I
even have a friend here in town who makes them himself
from my records and tapes sometimes.  He has all that
computer jazz, the programs and stuff, to make DTS
CD's.  I suggest you read in the forum and follow up
or write to those who are in the know on the new
formats.  If you have interest, or questions on the
original quad, feel free to ask me.  Sincerely, Nick



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Man, it has all changed. Didn't you hear? It's over. We won.

With DD EX, DTS, DVD-A, SACD there's so much great new multi channel
stuff.

And with the perfection of PL II, everything is now quad!

I have many "stereo" items in my collection which decode in PLII
into much more spacious and multichannel ambiance than many many
many of my old discrete quad recordings.

Budget a month to play around with PLII, learning how to work the
settings, and believe me. You will be floored. Try running different
stuff through it to see what you can hear. Prepare to be amazed. And
you can get in cheap, like the amp I got for $167 with DTS, DD EX
and PLII.

I have fun running old "stereo" 8-tracks tapes through it, like
Synergy, Nektar, and ELP _Brain Salad Surgery_ just to see the looks
on people's faces. OK OK os that's sort of cheating since even
though they are on 8-track, the recordings are encoded in old quad,
but still.

Many regular stereo recordings "decode" even better than that. Try
Zappas _Uncle Meat_ on vinyl through PLII some time if you want your
socks knocked off. Or some old Kraftwerk. And about 85% of most
classical recordings. And any "live in concert" recording. It has
brought my old cassette collection back to life.

It's really a revolutionary explosion.

I never thought of that, let alone knew how to do it! At this point I only have
a nice stereo turntable and my computer. Well, I do have an Aiwa with surround
sound speakers, but I havent figured out a way to play my burned quad surround
on there. I lived in Wyoming up until last week, where SACD and the things you
mentioned usually ge a balnk stare. Now I am in Phoenix, so maybe bestBuy or
Circuit City would be worth checking out. You may add me to chat list in yahoo
chat if you like. its nascarsux02. Cool? Cool
                                                                                    
John

krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Man, it has all changed. Didn't you hear? It's over. We won.

With DD EX, DTS, DVD-A, SACD there's so much great new multi channel
stuff.

And with the perfection of PL II, everything is now quad!

I have many "stereo" items in my collection which decode in PLII
into much more spacious and multichannel ambiance than many many
many of my old discrete quad recordings.

Budget a month to play around with PLII, learning how to work the
settings, and believe me. You will be floored. Try running different
stuff through it to see what you can hear. Prepare to be amazed. And
you can get in cheap, like the amp I got for $167 with DTS, DD EX
and PLII.

I have fun running old "stereo" 8-tracks tapes through it, like
Synergy, Nektar, and ELP _Brain Salad Surgery_ just to see the looks
on people's faces. OK OK os that's sort of cheating since even
though they are on 8-track, the recordings are encoded in old quad,
but still.

Many regular stereo recordings "decode" even better than that. Try
Zappas _Uncle Meat_ on vinyl through PLII some time if you want your
socks knocked off. Or some old Kraftwerk. And about 85% of most
classical recordings. And any "live in concert" recording. It has
brought my old cassette collection back to life.

It's really a revolutionary explosion.




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Best Buy seems to have DVD-A and SACD sections in there stores in Oregon,
but sometimes there isn't much there.  They usually have a couple players
too, I find it easier to look for the logos on the machines, or research
models on the internet instead of asking anyone there, though.  I just
added a DVD-A player w/ all the decoders in it to my Sansui quad reciever,
in place of a CD player, so I now have the best of both worlds :)

	 Dan


On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, John Dunkerley wrote:

>
> I never thought of that, let alone knew how to do it! At this point I only
have a nice stereo turntable and my computer. Well, I do have an Aiwa with
surround sound speakers, but I havent figured out a way to play my burned quad
surround on there. I lived in Wyoming up until last week, where SACD and the
things you mentioned usually ge a balnk stare. Now I am in Phoenix, so maybe
bestBuy or Circuit City would be worth checking out. You may add me to chat list
in yahoo chat if you like. its nascarsux02. Cool? Cool
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John
>
> krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Man, it has all changed. Didn't you hear? It's over. We won.
>
> With DD EX, DTS, DVD-A, SACD there's so much great new multi channel
> stuff.
>
> And with the perfection of PL II, everything is now quad!
>
> I have many "stereo" items in my collection which decode in PLII
> into much more spacious and multichannel ambiance than many many
> many of my old discrete quad recordings.
>
> Budget a month to play around with PLII, learning how to work the
> settings, and believe me. You will be floored. Try running different
> stuff through it to see what you can hear. Prepare to be amazed. And
> you can get in cheap, like the amp I got for $167 with DTS, DD EX
> and PLII.
>
> I have fun running old "stereo" 8-tracks tapes through it, like
> Synergy, Nektar, and ELP _Brain Salad Surgery_ just to see the looks
> on people's faces. OK OK os that's sort of cheating since even
> though they are on 8-track, the recordings are encoded in old quad,
> but still.
>
> Many regular stereo recordings "decode" even better than that. Try
> Zappas _Uncle Meat_ on vinyl through PLII some time if you want your
> socks knocked off. Or some old Kraftwerk. And about 85% of most
> classical recordings. And any "live in concert" recording. It has
> brought my old cassette collection back to life.
>
> It's really a revolutionary explosion.
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I will check the Phoenix Best Buys and Fry's here and see what I can find.
Thanks for the info!

Dan Olson <dano@...> wrote:Best Buy seems to have DVD-A and SACD
sections in there stores in Oregon,
but sometimes there isn't much there.  They usually have a couple players
too, I find it easier to look for the logos on the machines, or research
models on the internet instead of asking anyone there, though.  I just
added a DVD-A player w/ all the decoders in it to my Sansui quad reciever,
in place of a CD player, so I now have the best of both worlds :)

       Dan


On Sun, 17 Oct 2004, John Dunkerley wrote:

>
> I never thought of that, let alone knew how to do it! At this point I only
have a nice stereo turntable and my computer. Well, I do have an Aiwa with
surround sound speakers, but I havent figured out a way to play my burned quad
surround on there. I lived in Wyoming up until last week, where SACD and the
things you mentioned usually ge a balnk stare. Now I am in Phoenix, so maybe
bestBuy or Circuit City would be worth checking out. You may add me to chat list
in yahoo chat if you like. its nascarsux02. Cool? Cool
>
John
>
> krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Man, it has all changed. Didn't you hear? It's over. We won.
>
> With DD EX, DTS, DVD-A, SACD there's so much great new multi channel
> stuff.
>
> And with the perfection of PL II, everything is now quad!
>
> I have many "stereo" items in my collection which decode in PLII
> into much more spacious and multichannel ambiance than many many
> many of my old discrete quad recordings.
>
> Budget a month to play around with PLII, learning how to work the
> settings, and believe me. You will be floored. Try running different
> stuff through it to see what you can hear. Prepare to be amazed. And
> you can get in cheap, like the amp I got for $167 with DTS, DD EX
> and PLII.
>
> I have fun running old "stereo" 8-tracks tapes through it, like
> Synergy, Nektar, and ELP _Brain Salad Surgery_ just to see the looks
> on people's faces. OK OK os that's sort of cheating since even
> though they are on 8-track, the recordings are encoded in old quad,
> but still.
>
> Many regular stereo recordings "decode" even better than that. Try
> Zappas _Uncle Meat_ on vinyl through PLII some time if you want your
> socks knocked off. Or some old Kraftwerk. And about 85% of most
> classical recordings. And any "live in concert" recording. It has
> brought my old cassette collection back to life.
>
> It's really a revolutionary explosion.
>
>
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Dear All,

I have recently set up a Pentium 4 / 2.6 Gig PC, with a view to
dumping my quad vinyl collection (SQ, QS, CD-4) to hard disk and then
to DTS or Dolby Digital CD-R.  I'm sure that many on this list are
aware of the techniques involved :)

I'm now at the point where I need to buy a cost-effective sound card
with 4 channels of Analog I/O.  Those who've done this before: any
recommendations?

I have scanned the Web and am aware of issues such as Latency -
normally this means delay between input and output, however this is
not an issue in this application.  However _inter-channel_ latency is
a concern and I gather that this can be a problem with older cards
such as GadgetLabs etc. (also that it is less likely on a Mac where
the PCI buss timing is tighter).

I'm also aware that, rather than go with an internally-mounted PCI
card, many prefer to use "outboard" A/D converters (to minimize
problems with RF etc), however it seems that internal cards can now
be purchased with specs well in excess of that required for a vinyl
source.

M-Audio seem to have a good solution with the "Delta 44", which
provides four balanced / unbalanced I/Os on a 1/4" breakout box, at
24-bit / 96KHz (the latter is un-necessary as 16/44 would be fine -
but nice to have).  It's US$200 - see
http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Delta44-main.html for details.

Any thoughts or other suggestions?  Thanks in advance,

Brett Crossley
Sydney, Australia.

PS: when I went to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/quadraphonicquad/  I
was redirected to http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/.  Will this
inquiry be mirrored to quadraphonicquad.com or should I post there
also?