don't know why, just getting into it a lot.



Ten Years After, Santana, Kristofferson, Gato Barbieri, Alice

Coltrane, and lots of classical, especially those Angels and the

Angels that were done at 45 RPM. Also Queen II, Synergy, ELP - Brain

Salad Surgery.



Oh, and I find old Passport albums matrix out real well, I think they

might have been originally in quad when released in Germany and were

just released as regular stereo in US even though they were the same

as the German quad releases? Not sure, sounds like it, though...

Queen ll??? Brain Salad Surgery??? I didn't know those were released in quad.

Are they? That might seem like a silly question since you just said you were

listening to them, but I'm just trying to make sure.

 

I don't have a quad system, but I have a source who converted 40 quad albums to

CD for me. The CDs give me the quad effect on my surround sound system.

 

I really like The Moody Blues in quad. Better than the 5.1 versions I have of

The Moody Blues, as a matter of fact.



--- On Mon, 12/15/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:48 PM













don't know why, just getting into it a lot.



Ten Years After, Santana, Kristofferson, Gato Barbieri, Alice

Coltrane, and lots of classical, especially those Angels and the

Angels that were done at 45 RPM. Also Queen II, Synergy, ELP - Brain

Salad Surgery.



Oh, and I find old Passport albums matrix out real well, I think they

might have been originally in quad when released in Germany and were

just released as regular stereo in US even though they were the same

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Yes, the commercial LP release of Brain Salad Surgery was in quad. I

have the DVD-A release and the mixes are very close. Jerusalem is a

bit more spacious on the DVD-A and the bass much richer but the rest

of the album is pretty close.



As for Queen II, that's sort of a legend. Was it a quad mix released

as steroe? Or was it just an interesting feat of engineering which

naturally matrixes out in a spacious manner? Hard to say, good

arguments on either side. IAE, it sounds great if you have the

original vinyl and run through a quad decoder or Dolby PLII.



Another one that is not quad but matrixes out extremely well is

Zappa's Uncle Meat, BTW



There were quite a lot of albums that were quad mixes, though, that

were not marked as such on the albums. Brain Salad Surger a classic

one, of course. But many others. Fireballet's first album.  The first

few Synergy albums......





--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, Dave Nightingale

<dnght734@...> wrote:

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> Queen ll??? Brain Salad Surgery??? I didn't know those were released

in quad. Are they? That might seem like a silly question since you

just said you were listening to them, but I'm just trying to make sure.

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> I don't have a quad system, but I have a source who converted 40

quad albums to CD for me. The CDs give me the quad effect on my

surround sound system.

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> I really like The Moody Blues in quad. Better than the 5.1 versions

I have of The Moody Blues, as a matter of fact.

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> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

> To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:48 PM

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> Angels that were done at 45 RPM. Also Queen II, Synergy, ELP - Brain

> Salad Surgery.

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> might have been originally in quad when released in Germany and were

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Hey wait, are you trying to say you don't LIKE the DTS mix of Days of

Futures Past? Man, that thing is awesome...... Totally comes to life.







--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, Dave Nightingale

<dnght734@...> wrote:

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> Queen ll??? Brain Salad Surgery??? I didn't know those were released

in quad. Are they? That might seem like a silly question since you

just said you were listening to them, but I'm just trying to make sure.

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> I don't have a quad system, but I have a source who converted 40

quad albums to CD for me. The CDs give me the quad effect on my

surround sound system.

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> I really like The Moody Blues in quad. Better than the 5.1 versions

I have of The Moody Blues, as a matter of fact.

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> --- On Mon, 12/15/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

> To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:48 PM

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> Salad Surgery.

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Thanks for the info on the Queen & ELP albums.

 

I like the DVD-A of Days of Future Passed. I just happen to like the quad

version better. Can't explain why. I just do. Know what I mean?



--- On Tue, 12/16/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:34 PM













Hey wait, are you trying to say you don't LIKE the DTS mix of Days of

Futures Past? Man, that thing is awesome..... . Totally comes to life.



--- In quadraphonicquad@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Nightingale

<dnght734@.. .> wrote:

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> Queen ll??? Brain Salad Surgery??? I didn't know those were released

in quad. Are they? That might seem like a silly question since you

just said you were listening to them, but I'm just trying to make sure.

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> I don't have a quad system, but I have a source who converted 40

quad albums to CD for me. The CDs give me the quad effect on my

surround sound system.

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> I really like The Moody Blues in quad. Better than the 5.1 versions

I have of The Moody Blues, as a matter of fact.

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> From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

> Subject: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

> To: quadraphonicquad@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 3:48 PM

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> Salad Surgery.

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> Oh, and I find old Passport albums matrix out real well, I think they

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I do indeed know what you mean. in my case I would rather listen to

the quad mix of DSotM matrixed out to 4 channels than the discreet 4

channel Q8 or the discreet 5.1 SACD. Just warmer, I think.





--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, Dave Nightingale

<dnght734@...> wrote:

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> Thanks for the info on the Queen & ELP albums.

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> I like the DVD-A of Days of Future Passed. I just happen to like the

quad version better. Can't explain why. I just do. Know what I mean?

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> --- On Tue, 12/16/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

> To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 1:34 PM

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> --- In quadraphonicquad@ yahoogroups. com, Dave Nightingale

> <dnght734@ .> wrote:

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> > Queen ll??? Brain Salad Surgery??? I didn't know those were released

> in quad. Are they? That might seem like a silly question since you

> just said you were listening to them, but I'm just trying to make sure.

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> quad albums to CD for me. The CDs give me the quad effect on my

> surround sound system.

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> > I really like The Moody Blues in quad. Better than the 5.1 versions

> I have of The Moody Blues, as a matter of fact.

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> > --- On Mon, 12/15/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com> wrote:

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> > From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroup s.com>

> > Subject: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

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Gosh, I've had Queen II since its release and have never listened to it

through an SQ decoder until now! I am listening to it as I type.



It is incredible!



Wait a minute. It's on Elektra. Let me see if... darn. Nope, no carrier.



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Finally got a copy of my fave Chicago album on Quad LP, Chicago VII. That

completes the collection too, of all their albums available in Quad. 150 bucks

on ebay.... Coverted it to DTS. Loving it! 



--- On Tue, 12/16/08, dgosha@... <dgosha@...> wrote:



From: dgosha@... <dgosha@...>

Subject: Re: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 4:53 PM













Gosh, I've had Queen II since its release and have never listened to it

through an SQ decoder until now! I am listening to it as I type.



It is incredible!



Wait a minute. It's on Elektra. Let me see if... darn. Nope, no carrier.



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OK, so now I have Queen I on and it is also incredible! It's like listening

to these albums for the first time! Spacious and so much presence in the

guitars and stuff in the back channels.



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I know what you are experiencing. And I am very glad. Indeed, glad you

checked out Queen 1, as well, since that album does really matrix out

nicely. If pressed to the wall, I believe that II is actually a quad

mix (as per the legend) and I is just a really fine piece of

engineering with some extra out-of-phase action that makes it matrix

nicely. It is possible, I suppose, that they are both just superbly

engineered stereo mixes based on the kind of 60s studio wizardry stuff

that  matrixes out nicely. It is highly unlikely that they are both

quad mixes, so I'll stick with my unconfirmed belief that I is a

well-engineered album that matrixes nicely and II is an unofficial

quad release. Either way, it's some good listening, there. It all just

leaps out and grabs you. Very 3D.



--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, dgosha@... wrote:

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> OK, so now I have Queen I on and it is also incredible! It's like

listening

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Gentlmen, This is all great to hear. I have a question regarding Queen I and

Queen II. Do you know if those LPs can be recorded to DTS and maintain the quad

effect?

 

Another question I have is, do you guys know of any other albums that are not

quad releases, but have a quadraphonic sound? Since we are on the subject of

Queen, I'm really curious to know if Sheer Heart Attack offers quad sound. That

is my favorite Queen album, and I like it in stereo. I imagine I would love it

in quad.

--- On Wed, 12/17/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

Subject: Re: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

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I know what you are experiencing. And I am very glad. Indeed, glad you

checked out Queen 1, as well, since that album does really matrix out

nicely. If pressed to the wall, I believe that II is actually a quad

mix (as per the legend) and I is just a really fine piece of

engineering with some extra out-of-phase action that makes it matrix

nicely. It is possible, I suppose, that they are both just superbly

engineered stereo mixes based on the kind of 60s studio wizardry stuff

that matrixes out nicely. It is highly unlikely that they are both

quad mixes, so I'll stick with my unconfirmed belief that I is a

well-engineered album that matrixes nicely and II is an unofficial

quad release. Either way, it's some good listening, there. It all just

leaps out and grabs you. Very 3D.



--- In quadraphonicquad@ yahoogroups. com, dgosha@... wrote:

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Yes, if someone had the same equipment used for transferring a quad LP

to DTS and did the exact same thing with the commercial stereo

releases of Queen I and II all that glorious surround action would be

there. A Tate would be best, but even just using Dolby PL II would

work well, even if it were just doing it software only, like in Adobe

Audition. I'm surprised that no one, to my knowledge, has seen fit to

do this yet. I don't know if the CD releases would work, but I see no

reason why they wouldn't I have been fine with just the original vinyl

through a decoder for many years and saw no need to do it for my own

uses, but it would be a good idea if somebody did.



Sheer Heart Attack sounds OK through a decoder but it does not sound

like a quad mix. You could do an acceptable upmix of it, but it would

not be IMO anywhere near as three dimensional as Queen I and II.





--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, Dave Nightingale

<dnght734@...> wrote:

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> Gentlmen, This is all great to hear. I have a question regarding

Queen I and Queen II. Do you know if those LPs can be recorded to DTS

and maintain the quad effect?

>

> Another question I have is, do you guys know of any other albums

that are not quad releases, but have a quadraphonic sound? Since we

are on the subject of Queen, I'm really curious to know if Sheer Heart

Attack offers quad sound. That is my favorite Queen album, and I like

it in stereo. I imagine I would love it in quad.

> --- On Wed, 12/17/08, krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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> From: krnewman <no_reply@yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [Quadraphonic Quad] listening to mucho quad vinyl lately

> To: quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com

> Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 12:36 AM

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> nicely. If pressed to the wall, I believe that II is actually a quad

> mix (as per the legend) and I is just a really fine piece of

> engineering with some extra out-of-phase action that makes it matrix

> nicely. It is possible, I suppose, that they are both just superbly

> engineered stereo mixes based on the kind of 60s studio wizardry stuff

> that matrixes out nicely. It is highly unlikely that they are both

> quad mixes, so I'll stick with my unconfirmed belief that I is a

> well-engineered album that matrixes nicely and II is an unofficial

> quad release. Either way, it's some good listening, there. It all just

> leaps out and grabs you. Very 3D.

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> --- In quadraphonicquad@ yahoogroups. com, dgosha@ wrote:

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In answer to the question of other stereo albums that sound good in quad, you

kind of have to just try them and see if there were enough phase relationship

differences when the album was recorded to make some of the material appear

in the back channels.



Elektra from the late sixties, early seventies seems to have particularly

recorded rock groups well then with spacious sonics and this lends itself well

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quadraphonic decoding.



Another pretty good one I have is the Crabby Appleton album from 1970. It was

already really good in stereo and an SQ decoder just makes it all the better

with congas and other percussion (especially) appearing in the back.



Another is "Be Yourself Tonight" by the Eurythmics. Although a later album on

RCA, there's a lot going on in the back with a decoder.



Also, on the QuadraphonicQuad forum site, there is a forum that lists and

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Excellent suggetions, including the forum.



As a general rule, well made 60's albums, and anything with lots of

percussion or electronics seems to do well. Many, many strictly stereo

albums matrix out better than many of the "offical" quad releases.

Once you have a decoder, a world of adventure awaits!



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> RCA, there's a lot going on in the back with a decoder.

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heh I bet all those 'ping-pong' lounge albums from the 60s designed

to show off stereo would sound pretty weird.  Try some Enoch Light

albums recorded on 35mm film. Actually come to think of it some of

those were quad releases.



--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, dgosha@... wrote:

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> In answer to the question of other stereo albums that sound good in

quad, you

> kind of have to just try them and see if there were enough phase

relationship

> differences when the album was recorded to make some of the

material appear

> in the back channels.

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> Elektra from the late sixties, early seventies seems to have

particularly

> recorded rock groups well then with spacious sonics and this lends

itself well to

> quadraphonic decoding.

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> Another pretty good one I have is the Crabby Appleton album from

1970. It was

> already really good in stereo and an SQ decoder just makes it all

the better

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> Another is "Be Yourself Tonight" by the Eurythmics. Although a

later album on

> RCA, there's a lot going on in the back with a decoder.

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lists and

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I own a bunch of Enoch Light quad LPs and if you promise not to tell

anyone I said this, they sound fantastic, very very discrete sounding

for vinyl. Very 3D. Wild arrangements, too. EL's arrangement of "What

the world needs now is love sweet love" sounds like everyone in the

band just ate a handfull of goofballs. It totally forgets the

sentiment of the song and pushes the melody and beat to somewhere

3/4's of the way up a 14 foot wall. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

--- In quadraphonicquad@yahoogroups.com, krnewman <no_reply@...> wrote:

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> I own a bunch of Enoch Light quad LPs and if you promise not to tell

> anyone I said this, they sound fantastic, very very discrete sounding

> for vinyl. Very 3D. Wild arrangements, too. EL's arrangement of "What

> the world needs now is love sweet love" sounds like everyone in the

> band just ate a handfull of goofballs. It totally forgets the

> sentiment of the song and pushes the melody and beat to somewhere

> 3/4's of the way up a 14 foot wall. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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The Enoch Lights are indeed a guilty pleasure, especially the Q4's and

Cd-4's. Ken, shoot me an email if you get a chance.

CD-4s, got it! Up periscope!



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