Greetings,

Seems folks got thier wig on tight (as they say in the South). My basic point
was respect all, not to disrespect.

My mama told me years ago never debate religion and I won't here and chose not
to debate even offline, that was not the intent....I repeat intent..

Last and final...my basic view of music and it's relationship to world healing
is the last song that was sung at the King of Pop's homecoming today (with all
the kids on stage). It was not gender, not race, nor religion or AGE....With
that with all due respect pls remove me off the this groups mailing list.

Respect,

Wsir




--- In raleighdrumcircle@yahoogroups.com, Darren Gilley <bajea7@...> wrote:
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> I'm sure Wsir is a great guy.
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> I also think his thread on a controversial subject could open some
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> positive discussions ,if like Ken stated, we all knew each other better.
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> If we knew each others background we could better understand where our
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> comments come from and what they mean. I appollogize if my comments
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> Sincerely,
> Darren
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> To: raleighdrumcircle@yahoogroups.com
> From: dadiok1@...
> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 21:02:36 -0400
> Subject: Re: [raleighdrumcircle] Re: Fwd: Heartbeat for Worship: A
Multicultural Christian Worship & Percussion Event, September 5, 2009
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> You are projecting a lot onto Wsir and may wish to examine where it is coming
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> I know Wsir well. We have eaten together often, played drums together often.
You could hardly find a more warm hearted person and he certainly is no racist.
He is a true student of African music and his interests in musical traditions go
far beyond Africa, though he has been there often. Knowing him, his comments
were based on first hand experience with the people in Africa.
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> Wsir's email may have been aimed to bring up a contraversial discussion, but I
am sure he would not have wanted to unleash the amount of anger that has arisen.
His main point was that Christianity has a pretty dubious history in Africa.
You have to admit there is a lot of irony in someone putting on a show using
African rhythms to sell his belief system to "lost" people. It is ironic
because Christian missionaries systematically put such huge efforts into
dismantling the belief systems that gave rise to these rhythms in the first
place. Nonetheless, I share Greg's wish that the event be joyous to the people
there.
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> Ken Wilson
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Darren Gilley <bajea7@...>
> To: raleighdrumcircle@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 10:58 am
> Subject: RE: [raleighdrumcircle] Re: Fwd: Heartbeat for Worship: A
Multicultural Christian Worship & Percussion Event, September 5, 2009
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> I also liked the Heartbeat for Worship because they say they want to use
percussion
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> to fight racism and bring people together. I also believe we all need to be
careful
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> with our quick comments. I also think that the older generation that connected
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> the 'African' drum back in the 60's and 70's, should consider that that is not
everyone's
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> connection to Africa. These racial issues push teachers and the culture away
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> I think Greg has a right to post everything that interrests him. And I think
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> he does a much better job of defending himself (kelly).
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> Differences of opinion are what makes things interresting but the
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> prejudice and racism don't have a productive place.
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> - Darren
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> To: raleighdrumcircle@yahoogroups.com
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> From: kwade005@...
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> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 06:26:52 -0400
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> Subject: Re: [raleighdrumcircle] Re: Fwd: Heartbeat for Worship: A
Multicultural Christian Worship & Percussion Event, September 5, 2009
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> I don't think you owe anyone an apology. Those comments were totally
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> unnecessary and, as you stated, inflammatory. Why does everything have
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> to be so damn politically correct? If you want to go for the religious
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> aspect of the event, go and enjoy it. If you want to go for the drumming
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> aspect, go and enjoy it. If you want to make this into a racial
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> statement, go elsewhere- there's no room for it here. Tha
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> bringing this event to our attention, Greg, it is greatly appreciated,
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> Kelly Wade
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> > Apologies guys - I'm merely making an announcement about an event and
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> > not intending to start a cultural or religious debate. I don't wish
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> > And while I cherish good discussion, inflammatory comments are quite
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> > I believe that drumming is unifying, not divisive. That it crosses
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> > cultural barriers rather than creates them. If not, why would Darren
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> > US rather than back in Africa? And why would Wsir have devoted years
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> > -G
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