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Re: [robbiebasho_forum] Re: Vanguard Tapes on iTunes

Hi, Toni,

When Windham Hill got its start, its focus as an instrumental fingerstyle guitar label was very, very narrow.  The "Early Pierre Bensusan" album, for example, was a compilation of his first two LPs, previously released on Rounder in the US, Pres de Paris and Pierre Bensusan 2.  The Windham Hill record deleted all but one of the vocal pieces on those two albums, stripped the vocal tracks off that song, and limited the instrumental tracks to the ones that were guitar-centered (perhaps they even stripped the non-guitar parts off -- it's been so long since I pulled the vinyl out, I can't recall anymore). 

As presented, "Early Pierre Bensusan" therefore presented him as something different from what he actually was.  The original LPs included a lot of vocal tracks, with Pierre's iconoclastic vocals (he does a sort-of-new-age-scat-singing), and even some bluegrass songs with Pierre on mandolin, accompanying noted banjo player Bill Keith (of the Bluegrass Boys, Jim Kweskin Jug Band, Muleskinner, Ian and Sylvia). 

To fully understand the import of the "editing," Pres de Paris won the Grand Prize at the Montreaux Jazz Festival.  It's almost like presenting a manga version of a Pulitizer Prize winning novel, like Hemingway's Old Man and the Sea.  Some artists *might* appreciate reaching a potentially larger audience; others *might* find it insulting.  I don't know enough about Robbie to comment one way or the other.

For Bensusan's part, he acqu ired his back catalog and re-released it on CD. But later, he decided to experiment by creating thematic CDs, some that featured solo-instrumental guitar, some ensemble, some vocals, under the theory that the first theme would reach a certain audience, the second an entirely different audience, and so forth.  I think he's since gone back to the original CDs as first released.

On the otherhand, Guitar Player did a cover story circa February 1985 that featured profiles on Ackerman, de Grassi, Hedges and Bensusan (but not Robbie Basho, Daniel Hecht, or Bolo Sete, who were early guitarists featured on the record), and as I recalled all talked favorably of Robbie as one of their main influences.  So there was certainly a mixed blessing there.  If Robbie had done what book publishers do, and put "blurbs" on the back cover of his records quoting Fahey, Kottke, Hedges and others, he might have had a more prominent profile in the fingerstyle guitar community than he does.

Can't find the Guitar Player stories on line, but here is an Anil Prassad interview with William Ackerman that is similar:

"How has working with guitarists such as Robbie Basho, Michael Hedges and Alex de Grassi influenced your own work?
"You can find a de Grassi picking pattern in "Remedios," "Visiting" and "Conferring with the Moon." There is some influence there. The picking pattern he used so successfully on Turning: Turning Back and those early pieces I did cop. There wasn’t much of Hedges I could cop even if I wanted to. [laughs] I don’t thing I ever tried to imitate anything, but there was the fluid thing to the picking pattern that de Grassi has that I was able to make some use of. You can hear in some of my earlier music and crowd pleasers I still play where I’ve copped some John Fahey. You can hear a little bit of Leo Kottke and a great deal of Robbie Basho. I think there is still a lot of influence from Basho, frankly. His very linear way of playing guitar which treats it more like a sarod—the influence of Ali Akbar Khan for the most part—working in an open C. So much of what I learned was inspiration from Robbie Basho. More than any other player, he’s the one that I studied. It’s true that my approach to how chords are played is more classical than Basho’s. He was content to stay in a really raga-esque place in terms of picking. As my music evolved, I found I was doing less in terms of playing melodies exclusively with the thumb on the third, fourth and fifth string as Basho did in imitating the sarod. I was using chordal stuff more, but the movement up and down the neck is still very much a product of Basho."
http://www.innerviews.org/inner/ackerman.html





Chuck



-----Original Message-----
From: Toni Ruiz <hootfool@...>
To: robbiebasho_forum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 3:29 pm
Subject: Re: [robbiebasho_forum] Re: Vanguard Tapes on iTunes



 
maybe i'm too out of tune about this issue, but i don't understand why Robbie's Indian Music int erests by then didn't fit Windham Hill stylings i think Robbie could develop perfectly his former Indian themes.recording for that label, and had to be another motive which made him change the content of his following albums. sorry anycase if i'm too much roundabout-ing -kind of 

--- El jue, 25/6/09, Robbie Dawson <robbie.dawson@...> escribió:

De: Robbie Dawson <robbie.dawson@...>
Asunto: [robbiebasho_forum] Re: Vanguard Tapes on iTunes
Para: robbiebasho_forum@yahoogroups.com
Fecha: jueves, 25 junio, 2009 7:25

Greetings Alan,

Your impressions and 'narrativization' of Indian II are very attractive, and I'm sure many people here would share your understanding of Robbie's life/career arc in the 1970s. The truth for me at least seems to be, as ever, wholly less satisfying or complete. Indian II was one of those unexpected offerings, obviously enabled by the 'vault series' iTunes-only initiative inside Vanguard, whereby old and unheard (in our case unheard of) archive recordings are made available at very low production cost to the company. For this we must all be grateful. The true story of Indian II may never be known, and even Stephen Brower at Vanguard, who seemed to be coordinating its release, may not even know the circumstances surrounding its non-release and subsequent disappearance. For my two cents (or two pence, here in England), here's what I think happened:

The first Vanguard release was The Voice of the Eagle, Basho's first all-Indian style album, for which his friend Frank Porpat painted the cover art as a commission from Basho himself. I've seen a small piece of correspondence that suggests that Porpat was then engaged to paint another piece to go with Basho's second Indian-themed Vanguard release, at this stage tentatively called 'Warriors of the Rainbow'. Somewhere amidst all this, Basho's Persian phase swept over him, and he went on to produce the astonishing Zarthus record, which featured artwork by Linda Gardner, with a portrait of Meher Baba. Why the Zarthus art was not done by Porpat we don't know, though it may be perhaps that he was not willing to paint a portrait of Meher Baba, or that Basho was a little less confident (or indeed unable) to commission another work following the one that had so recently fallen through, or perhaps Vanguard had their own channels. In any case, I have not heard back from Gardner since I wrote to her several months ago.

We don't seem to have recording dates for what has come to be called 'Indian II', so I would have some difficulty saying whether the recordings originate from pre- or post-Zarthus, though I would err towards the former. As for the material on Indian II, it seems to be looking both backwards and=2 0forwards, and doesn't seem to have the same coherency as Voice of the Eagle. Whether or not the decision was as clear cut as this we don't know, but, assuming Zarthus was taking its shape at this time, I would imagine Vanguard to have been more eager for the Persian material over a second Indian-themed collection, and perhaps this is why it never appeared.

When Basho came on KPFA in November of 1974 to plug Zarthus, he was still hoping for a release of the material concerned:

"This is, uh, I want to do an album, in the future god willing, if only, you know, uh, uh I got a couple of record companies kind of down on me at the moment, uh but, the material that I have, it's either going to 'Warriors of the Rainbow' or 'Visions of the Country', something like this."

It's hard to know, out of Takoma, Blue Thumb, and Vanguard, which two were 'down on him', but it has to be assumed that Vanguard was one of these. As we know, 'Warriors' eventually was transformed into 'Visions of the Country', with a lot of new content. The song he goes on to introduce, following the quote above, is 'Leaf in the Wind', which is in fact the 'Lemmeria' recording released on Indian II, and not that released as Leaf in the Wind on Visions of the Country, even though that was listed as having been recorded in 1973, placing it between his two Vanguard releases. Incidentally, that Basho was able to bring unreleaed tapes to KPFA for the interview indicates that copies were in his possession, and so are in all likelihood stored away somewhere (we hope and pray) with the missing hoard that is in the care (again, hope) of some unknown Meher Baba storage facility in the States.

There is a kind of coda to the story I'm trying, in an odd way, to sketch out. Following his quiet dismissal from the rapidly advancing Windham Hill roster, some existing Windham-era tapes left with Basho, and eventually made their way to the tiny Palo Alto company Silver Label Recordings. I think, after so many years, and his Windham Hill make-over plans kind of in the dust, RB decided to resurrect his 'Warriors' plans, eventually naming the record 'Rainbow Thunder', though with vastly different content, again. What's interesting, as as yet unknown, is whether the Porpat painting on the cover is that which was commissioned by Basho, and which never appeared, in the 1970s. I'm guessing it is.

This all departs from Alan's comment about his 'broken spirit', but I think it might possibly shed some light on these impressions. Windham Hill was a new era for Basho, and it was probably evident to him that his Indian-themes and big visions were not compatible there, and a new tack was needed. Needless to say, these visions were receiving their own outlet in a big way via the written compositions he was working on for much of the 1970s, and naturally at the same time as his Windham Hill work, though we never really got to see or hear any of that. If Basho's spirit was broken at all, I wo uld say that was just a result of this change of direction, and that it was firmly reinstated with Rainbow Thunder, though a little dusty after all those years. Another indication that he was returning to his pre-Windham era interests at this time is that around 1982 (roughly, I think) he contacted his old collaborator Susan Graubard (from Tassajara on Falconer's Arm I c. 1967) with the hope of working with her again on some of his composition work, much of it having been started in the early- to mid-1970s.

Of course, one thing that is sorely lacking from the live dates list is the kind of set list he was performing throughout his career, though as we know by the early 1980s he had largely dropped his 1970s repertoire in favour of his shorter compositions and revived guitar solos like Pavan India. As for Alan's comment on the loss of 'passion' later in his career, this seems a fair comment, but I don't agree entirely. The Vanguard era was a high point, with Basho later referring to this time as one in which he 'rode a little high', and that exuberance is clearly audible in these recordings. Though, lack of passion (and all that entails in the Vanguard era) in his later years was bound to be more a calculated response to what was demanded of him by his new circumstances than any deeper existential weakening. In its own way, Rainbow Thunder is a confident return to the 'passion' of his earlier years, and as 'departure' songs go, The Long Lullaby from RT surely trumps Death Song=2 0from Indian II, which is saying a lot, I think. All the same, there are certainly parallels between the two works. Anyway, I still feel there's a lot to be said about Basho's 1970s existence, and I hope to get it all down on paper soon, and would love to hear all your thoughts and opinions in the meantime. I ended up writing 6,000 odd words solely dedicated to his life and music in the 1960s, and definitely feel as though there's even more again to be drawn from the data we have relating to the 1970s. For those that are interested, I hope to get the work I have done already out to you as soon as I get my act together. Fyi, its title, taken from an old Jabberwock billing from 1966, is 'Guitarist of the Other Shore: Robbie Basho in the 1960s".

All the best,

Robbie

--- In robbiebasho_ forum@yahoogroup s.com, "Alan" <alan@...> wrote:
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> I believe it's called "Indian II", I don't have access to the iTunes music store in Hong Kong, so I got some friends in the US to download it for me about a year ago. Listening to the intensity of this work, it's clear that some of the passion was lost in later recordings.. . some of the songs appear on Visions of the Country, also Rainbow Thunder, but not with the same delivery. I'm just reading between the lines here, but I guess the loss of a major record deal must have been something of a b low. There's nothing polite or people-pleasing about this recording, it's pure distilled Basho.
>






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Greetings friends! The Vanguard tapes are an entire unreleased album, recorded by Robbie in 1975-1976, and for me his finest hour by a million miles, it seems...
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Greetings friends! The Vanguard tapes are an entire unreleased album, recorded by Robbie in 1975-1976, and for me his finest hour by a million miles, it seems...
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Hi Alan,Thanks for the info.  I tried locating this on itunes and Vanguard, and I am striking out.  Can you send some light to guide me to the correct path...
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Alan, I was most interested in the tail end of your comment, when you mention "...before his spirit was broken." Could you elaborate on that? On another...
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I believe it's called "Indian II", I don't have access to the iTunes music store in Hong Kong, so I got some friends in the US to download it for me about a...
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Greetings Alan, Your impressions and 'narrativization' of Indian II are very attractive, and I'm sure many people here would share your understanding of...
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Hey Artpaws, Reading your post, two quotes came to my mind that I feel might be worth sharing. One closer to home, the other further. In an interview with John...
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  maybe i'm too out of tune about this issue, but i don't understand why Robbie's Indian Music interests by then didn't fit Windham Hill stylings i think...
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Hi, Toni, When Windham Hill got its start, its focus as an instrumental fingerstyle guitar label was very, very narrow.  The "Early Pierre Bensusan" album,...
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Well, it does seem odd in hindsight, but the power dynamics between Windham and Basho were odd to begin with, and were not like that of a newly signed artist....
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Let me state from the outset that I am a contrarian on the Windham Hill recordings. To my ear, both of them are disasters. My main criticisms may go to the...
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I stand by my original comments, and it's just based on the music, I'm a composer for what it's worth. I don't believe these recordings are outtakes from Voice...
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