The core to this question not only lies in the thickness of said
cymbal but also how the cymbal is being played.Cymbals set up with
flat angles and played with a dead on stroke tend to last a short
length of time after a large amount of beating.if the cymbal is
taking the brunt of the stroke and absorbing all of said stroke it
has no where to go.If the cymbal is being played at an angle and
being glanced(using a swiping or slicing motion)the cymbal doesnt
take the brunt of the stroke and will last longer.

--- In rudiments@yahoogroups.com, Jason and Erin Brookens
<jebrookens@...> wrote:
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> Yeah some drummers are more physical than others.  I really can
appreciate a style like Kenny Aronoff...it just sounds so good when
he's playing a straight forward, extremely loud rock beat.  The flip
side of that is with endorsements, he doesn't have to worry about
buying cymbals! ;)
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Crunk Isized" <crunkisized@...>
> To: jebrookens@..., rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 3:06:45 PM (GMT-0500)
America/New_York
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
>
> Hi Jason -
>
> I remember asking this very same question on the alias a couple
years ago.  I had some Paiste fast crashes that I really loved, but
they just didn't last.  I was playing much harder stuff then, 5A
sticks and really physically letting it out.  I'm now using 8Ds most
of the time and playing more cover music - still get into it, but
have a bit more control now.  So I might be able to go back to them,
but I think I'd just play on them 'worried' the whole time I was
going to ruin another $200 cymbal.  I moved to a 16" Zildjian A
medium crash - which I *really* like, and it is much sturdier than
the fast crashes - and an 18" Zildjian A Projection crash.  The 18"
is extremely sturdy, too, but over time I've 'fallen out of love'
with that cymbal.  I think the 'projection' line is pretty harsh -
or I should say, more appropriate for harder/louder music.
>
> Most of the comments I rec'd discussed that I was hitting too
hard.  No doubt something to consider - I took that advice to heart -
but I also think that some drummers are just more physical players
than others - not a better or worse thing - so some cymbal breakage
is bound to happen.
>
> Take care,
>
> Brett
>
>
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> From: jebrookens@...
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:23:20 -0500
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
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>
> Good thoughts, Jim.  I play hard rock and am not the lightest
player, but far from the heaviest either.  I've also investigated in
the past how to "properly" hit the cymbals and what angle they should
be at and also leave the wingnuts very loose on the cymbal stands. 
The places we're playing now I know I tend to play just a bit
harder to compete with stage volume like you described, but I really
don't think it's that much different than my normal playing.  I do
think I will take you up on your advice though to get another drummer
to watch my technique....it never hurts to do that every once in a
while anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim" < daman4_2001@... >
> To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" < jebrookens@... >,
rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00:08 PM (GMT-0500)
America/New_York
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using
to play the cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order
to decrease sustain and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge
investment and obviously you want to protect them. Ask a drummer
friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate the force with which
you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my life, and
traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-
early 70's playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat
the kit to keep up with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian
medium crashes that I sold to a friend when I bought the A's (which
I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's of drummers played them,
a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house for 3 years,
in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince K's
are durable, not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be
hitting a little too hard.
>
> From: Jason and Erin Brookens < jebrookens@... >
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very
fragile...almost more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A
customs for my rock gigs though.  Vince, what model of K are you
using?  I have used the K dark crash and K customs, I think.  And
thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into the Dream Cymbals.
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VINCENT OLES" < pvoles@... >
> To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_
York
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Jason,
> After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if
you're playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18"
crash, China and 20" crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I
also have A series that I use for lighter playing gigs and yes they
are definitely more fragile.
> Good Luck!
> Vince
>
> To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
> From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
> Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing
this way too frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice
as to which cymbals are going to last the longest without cracking. I
know this is relative because one cymbal may crack in a month while
another cymbal of the same model may last years. I have a Zildjian A
Custom that cracked the first time I played out with it, 2 weeks
after I bought it.
>
> But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on
average?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
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