Hi Drumheads,

I had a session yesterday and I met a sound engineer who is also a
drummer. I am impressed the way he played using sixteenth note triplet
solos with some displacement of notes fill-in. He forced to fill notes
in a bar and sometimes he went out of the bar. He once used telephone
book as his drum pad and after a couple of months of practice it busted
out like a bullet hits the wall and left a hole in it (lol) :-). I
wander guys how he made a hole in it? Is there anyone here practices
just like him? I hope I can get feed back from those ace drumheads.

Regards.





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I use Finale. It's very flexible, but there are a couple things you need
to keep in mind. In order to get the proper note type on the snare line
I need to either put the note there (it will show up as an "x" head) and
then change the note head to the oval, or put the note on the line below
(which uses the oval) and move it up a line. It's a pain at first, but
once you get used to it it's OK.  also, you'll have to change the cymbal
note heads, because everything above the top line uses a "x", but this
is easy to do.

If you can find something specifically for drums, then I'd use that.
Finale is expensive and is used for scoring major music projects. It's
overkill for drums (my copy came from my son, who bought an upgrade...
he's a composer and he gave me his Finale 2007. I wouldn't have bought
it myself just for drums).

Tomas
rudiments owner

Jason and Erin Brookens wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on good drum notation software? I
> have downloaded Finale Notepad and I know a while ago someone in the
> group posted a template file for that program to write drum tab, but I
> wasn't able to get it to do what I needed it to do.
>
> I looked into other version of Finale but don't see that they'll give
> me what I need either. I'm looking to be able to write out drum parts
> as seen in all the drum magazines. Basically I need software that will
> display cymbals as 'x', display cymbals and snare and toms with note
> stems going up, and bass drum note stems going down, and really just
> look professional. :)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>



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For notating drums: try a demo version of Encore. I find it much more
intuitive and easier to work with than Finale.If you notate the drum
patterns as seperate voices, i.e. cymbal vs bass/snare,  you have a lot
of possibilities for stems, noteheads, beams, etc.

Paul


Jason and Erin Brookens schreef:
>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on good drum notation software? I
> have downloaded Finale Notepad and I know a while ago someone in the
> group posted a template file for that program to write drum tab, but I
> wasn't able to get it to do what I needed it to do.
>
> I looked into other version of Finale but don't see that they'll give
> me what I need either. I'm looking to be able to write out drum parts
> as seen in all the drum magazines. Basically I need software that will
> display cymbals as 'x', display cymbals and snare and toms with note
> stems going up, and bass drum note stems going down, and really just
> look professional. :)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>

I use Finale, and although it's sometimes difficult, I'm mostly able to
get it to do what I want.

Jason and Erin Brookens wrote:
>
>
> Does anyone have any recommendations on good drum notation software? I
> have downloaded Finale Notepad and I know a while ago someone in the
> group posted a template file for that program to write drum tab, but I
> wasn't able to get it to do what I needed it to do.
>
> I looked into other version of Finale but don't see that they'll give
> me what I need either. I'm looking to be able to write out drum parts
> as seen in all the drum magazines. Basically I need software that will
> display cymbals as 'x', display cymbals and snare and toms with note
> stems going up, and bass drum note stems going down, and really just
> look professional. :)
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
>

Does anyone have any recommendations on good drum notation software?  I have
downloaded Finale Notepad and I know a while ago someone in the group posted a
template file for that program to write drum tab, but I wasn't able to get it to
do what I needed it to do.

I looked into other version of Finale but don't see that they'll give me what I
need either.  I'm looking to be able to write out drum parts as seen in all the
drum magazines.  Basically I need software that will display cymbals as 'x',
display cymbals and snare and toms with note stems going up, and bass drum note
stems going down, and really just look professional. :)

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Jason

I use the aquarian super kick II and have it tuned pretty loose.  I basically
just try to get the wrinkles out and where it will just hold a tune.  I found
that's the best sound for me for hard rock especially in the studio.  I think a
tighter head would help more with rebound but it's not worth the trade off for
me. 



jason


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To: "Ramon Nazareno" <rnazareno@...>
Cc: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2009 10:23:33 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Loose or Tight Bass Drum

 




Ramon,
I have a Remo Powersonic bass drum head tuned pretty tight and a Remo
Ebony Ambassador resonant head with a 4" port tuned medium-tight.
They're not matched but there's a fair amount of resonance without nasty
overtones. My brass band kit has Ebony Ambassador heads on both sides.
They are tuned sort-of medium and muffled. I can barely feel a
difference between the two kits.

I think, for the most part, it's a matter of head type and sound
preference.

Ramon Nazareno wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Drumheads,
>
> I'd like to ask about bass drum tuning, although I believe it is a
> matter of personal preference. I'd like to get information from you guys
> if your bass drum is tight or loose, what are the pros and cons? How
> about its efficiency, speed and techniques, would the tightness or
> looseness affect playing?
>
> Thanks in advance fro those who bite this inquiry.
>
> Regards.
>
> .



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Ramon,
    I have a Remo Powersonic bass drum head tuned pretty tight and a Remo
Ebony Ambassador resonant head with a 4" port tuned medium-tight.
They're not matched but there's a fair amount of resonance without nasty
overtones. My brass band kit has Ebony Ambassador heads on both sides.
They are tuned sort-of medium and muffled. I can barely feel a
difference between the two kits.

I think, for the most part, it's a matter of head type and sound
preference.

Ramon Nazareno wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Drumheads,
>
> I'd like to ask about bass drum tuning, although I believe it is a
> matter of personal preference. I'd like to get information from you guys
> if your bass drum is tight or loose, what are the pros and cons? How
> about its efficiency, speed and techniques, would the tightness or
> looseness affect playing?
>
> Thanks in advance fro those who bite this inquiry.
>
> Regards.
>
> .

Hi Drumheads,

I'd like to ask about bass drum tuning, although I believe it is a
matter of personal preference. I'd like to get information from you guys
if your bass drum is tight or loose, what are the pros and cons? How
about its efficiency, speed and techniques, would the tightness or
looseness affect playing?

Thanks in advance fro those who bite this inquiry.

Regards.




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Hi everyone,

I think this is a silly question but if you bite on this you might
enlighten a drummer who plays basketball. I'd like to ask this that
keeps bothering my mind. You know, I'm a basketball fan and love to play
basketball. What do you think is the effect of hands and fingers as well
as you r feet if you always play basketball? Would it result to
tightness of  muscles instead of looseness? Does your playing drum get
crooked and eventually developing wrong muscles if you continue to play
basketball?

Your comment is highly appreciated.

Thanks and regards.
Ramon



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Dear Friends,

I am delighted to write to you all that I have read some parts of the
dumbek book, written by my drum brother, Kenne Thomas, a professional
drummer and instructor. The book is under print and hopefully it will
be released very soon.

I just want to introduce his website at the moment:

http://www.kennethomas.com/

The book is really useful and I hope you will have the chance to study
it, when it is published. Please try to get in touch with Kenne and
reserve a copy.

All the best,

Peyman
--
Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
http://www.santoori.com/html/peyman.html
http://nasehpour.blogfa.com (in Persian)
Mathematics
http://nasehpour.tk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beat_(music)#Backbeat

Enjoy!




________________________________
From: SteveV <svollo@...>
To: edo wulia <edo@...>; rudiments@yahoogroups.com; Ramon Nazareno
<rnazareno@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:39:00 PM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms





It would be nice to see these great explanations in written notation. A lot of
double bass applications speak of playing the left kick on the upbeat.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ramon Nazareno
To: edo wulia ; rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:32 PM
Subject: RE: [rudiments] drumming terms

Thanks Tomas for the enlightenment. Any idea about "permutation" ?

____________ _________ _________ __

From: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com [mailto:rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com] On
Behalf Of edo wulia
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:08 AM
To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms

How about "Back Beat" ? Anyone?

and, thanks Tomas.

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From: "Tomas Howie" <tomas@drummingweb. com
<mailto:tomas% 40drummingweb. com> >
To: "rudiments" <rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
<mailto:rudiments% 40yahoogroups. com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms

> I'll give it a shot, though there are probably as many definitions of
> this as there are drummers.
>
> If you're playing a rock song in 4/4, the downbeat would be the
"pulse",
> in this case the kick pattern on 1 and 3.
>
> Another definition of downbeat is the "1" of a measure, the first
beat.
> "Come in on the downbeat" means come in on "1" of the next measure.
>
> The backbeat is the snare hits on 2 and 4. The sub-pulse, if you will.
>
> The up beat - I think - is the & of the measure 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &. This
> is the source of syncopation, which is emphasizing the & instead of
the
> quarter note.
>
> Upbeat can also mean fast, quick, or something that feels more
energetic
> in a light, lively way.
>
> The side beat? Don't know. Maybe the "e" and "ah" of a measure? 1 - e
> - & - ah - 2 - e - & - ah, etc. The sixteenth notes?
>
> Good questions. Anyone else have any answers?
>
> Tomas
> rudiments owner
>
>
>
> edo wulia wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back
>> beat' ?
>> Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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It would be nice to see these great explanations in written notation. A lot of
double bass applications speak of playing the left kick on the upbeat.
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: Ramon Nazareno
   To: edo wulia ; rudiments@yahoogroups.com
   Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:32 PM
   Subject: RE: [rudiments] drumming terms





   Thanks Tomas for the enlightenment. Any idea about "permutation"?

   ________________________________

   From: rudiments@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rudiments@yahoogroups.com] On
   Behalf Of edo wulia
   Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:08 AM
   To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
   Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms

   How about "Back Beat" ? Anyone?

   and, thanks Tomas.

   ----- Original Message -----
   From: "Tomas Howie" <tomas@...
   <mailto:tomas%40drummingweb.com> >
   To: "rudiments" <rudiments@yahoogroups.com
   <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com> >
   Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:52 AM
   Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms

   > I'll give it a shot, though there are probably as many definitions of
   > this as there are drummers.
   >
   > If you're playing a rock song in 4/4, the downbeat would be the
   "pulse",
   > in this case the kick pattern on 1 and 3.
   >
   > Another definition of downbeat is the "1" of a measure, the first
   beat.
   > "Come in on the downbeat" means come in on "1" of the next measure.
   >
   > The backbeat is the snare hits on 2 and 4. The sub-pulse, if you will.
   >
   > The up beat - I think - is the & of the measure 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &. This
   > is the source of syncopation, which is emphasizing the & instead of
   the
   > quarter note.
   >
   > Upbeat can also mean fast, quick, or something that feels more
   energetic
   > in a light, lively way.
   >
   > The side beat? Don't know. Maybe the "e" and "ah" of a measure? 1 - e
   > - & - ah - 2 - e - & - ah, etc. The sixteenth notes?
   >
   > Good questions. Anyone else have any answers?
   >
   > Tomas
   > rudiments owner
   >
   >
   >
   > edo wulia wrote:
   >>
   >>
   >> Hi list,
   >>
   >> How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back
   >> beat' ?
   >> Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.
   >>
   >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
   >>
   >>
   >
   >
   >
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Hello, I am a new member to the group.I am a drummer with a right leg
amputation. I would like to hear from other drummers who might have disabilities
they had to over come behind the drum kit.                     thanks Rick.

Does anyone know if the Frank May fast Hands Pads are still in
production? Right now I have two in my drum school but I can't find
them anywhere online. Right now it seems the moongel workout pads are
the ultimate and 2nd is the epads.

Hi all,
    I thought I'd give a heads-up for a DCI broadcast in theaters on
5/13. Here is the link with the information. http://www.dci.org/countdown/
     -George

Hi Everyone,

I would like to ask if any of you guys have an idea about Indian beat or
Indian time signature.

Thanks and regards.

Ramon


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As far as I know David Garibaldi first coined the term "permutation"
meaning : take a rhythmic pattern e.g. 1-e-&-e , just play the red
lettering ( Daa-doodat) and first time round start the pattern on 1,
repeat until comfortable, then play it on e.g. on the "e "of 1, "&" of 1
and in this manner let the pattern shift through the measure until
you're back to 1 again.
Better yet, get his book "Future Sounds" and and play it!

Paul

Ramon Nazareno schreef:
>
>
> Thanks Tomas for the enlightenment. Any idea about "permutation"?
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rudiments@yahoogroups.com <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:rudiments@yahoogroups.com <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of edo wulia
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:08 AM
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms
>
> How about "Back Beat" ? Anyone?
>
> and, thanks Tomas.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tomas Howie" <tomas@...
> <mailto:tomas%40drummingweb.com>
> <mailto:tomas%40drummingweb.com> >
> To: "rudiments" <rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms
>
> > I'll give it a shot, though there are probably as many definitions of
> > this as there are drummers.
> >
> > If you're playing a rock song in 4/4, the downbeat would be the
> "pulse",
> > in this case the kick pattern on 1 and 3.
> >
> > Another definition of downbeat is the "1" of a measure, the first
> beat.
> > "Come in on the downbeat" means come in on "1" of the next measure.
> >
> > The backbeat is the snare hits on 2 and 4. The sub-pulse, if you will.
> >
> > The up beat - I think - is the & of the measure 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &. This
> > is the source of syncopation, which is emphasizing the & instead of
> the
> > quarter note.
> >
> > Upbeat can also mean fast, quick, or something that feels more
> energetic
> > in a light, lively way.
> >
> > The side beat? Don't know. Maybe the "e" and "ah" of a measure? 1 - e
> > - & - ah - 2 - e - & - ah, etc. The sixteenth notes?
> >
> > Good questions. Anyone else have any answers?
> >
> > Tomas
> > rudiments owner
> >
> >
> >
> > edo wulia wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi list,
> >>
> >> How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back
> >> beat' ?
> >> Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Thanks Tomas for the enlightenment. Any idea about "permutation"?







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Behalf Of edo wulia
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:08 AM
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms








How about "Back Beat" ? Anyone?

and, thanks Tomas.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Howie" <tomas@...
<mailto:tomas%40drummingweb.com> >
To: "rudiments" <rudiments@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms

> I'll give it a shot, though there are probably as many definitions of
> this as there are drummers.
>
> If you're playing a rock song in 4/4, the downbeat would be the
"pulse",
> in this case the kick pattern on 1 and 3.
>
> Another definition of downbeat is the "1" of a measure, the first
beat.
> "Come in on the downbeat" means come in on "1" of the next measure.
>
> The backbeat is the snare hits on 2 and 4. The sub-pulse, if you will.
>
> The up beat - I think - is the & of the measure 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &. This
> is the source of syncopation, which is emphasizing the & instead of
the
> quarter note.
>
> Upbeat can also mean fast, quick, or something that feels more
energetic
> in a light, lively way.
>
> The side beat? Don't know. Maybe the "e" and "ah" of a measure? 1 - e
> - & - ah - 2 - e - & - ah, etc. The sixteenth notes?
>
> Good questions. Anyone else have any answers?
>
> Tomas
> rudiments owner
>
>
>
> edo wulia wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back
>> beat' ?
>> Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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>
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>
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How about "Back Beat" ? Anyone?

and, thanks Tomas.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Howie" <tomas@...>
To: "rudiments" <rudiments@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] drumming terms


> I'll give it a shot, though there are probably as many definitions of
> this as there are drummers.
>
> If you're playing a rock song in 4/4, the downbeat would be the "pulse",
> in this case the kick pattern on 1 and 3.
>
> Another definition of downbeat is the "1" of a measure, the first beat.
> "Come in on the downbeat" means come in on "1" of the next measure.
>
> The backbeat is the snare hits on 2 and 4.  The sub-pulse, if you will.
>
> The up beat - I think - is the & of the measure 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &.  This
> is the source of syncopation, which is emphasizing the & instead of the
> quarter note.
>
> Upbeat can also mean fast, quick, or something that feels more energetic
> in a light, lively way.
>
> The side beat?  Don't know. Maybe the "e" and "ah" of a measure?  1 - e
> - & - ah - 2 - e - & - ah, etc.  The sixteenth notes?
>
> Good questions.  Anyone else have any answers?
>
> Tomas
> rudiments owner
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> edo wulia wrote:
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>> Hi list,
>>
>> How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back
>> beat' ?
>> Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.
>>
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I'll give it a shot, though there are probably as many definitions of
this as there are drummers.

If you're playing a rock song in 4/4, the downbeat would be the "pulse",
in this case the kick pattern on 1 and 3.

Another definition of downbeat is the "1" of a measure, the first beat.
"Come in on the downbeat" means come in on "1" of the next measure.

The backbeat is the snare hits on 2 and 4.  The sub-pulse, if you will.

The up beat - I think - is the & of the measure 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &.  This
is the source of syncopation, which is emphasizing the & instead of the
quarter note.

Upbeat can also mean fast, quick, or something that feels more energetic
in a light, lively way.

The side beat?  Don't know. Maybe the "e" and "ah" of a measure?  1 - e
- & - ah - 2 - e - & - ah, etc.  The sixteenth notes?

Good questions.  Anyone else have any answers?

Tomas
rudiments owner



edo wulia wrote:
>
>
> Hi list,
>
> How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back
> beat' ?
> Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.
>
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Hi Everyone,



I'd like to add also this term: "side beat"?



Regards.



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Behalf Of edo wulia
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:34 AM
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rudiments] drumming terms








Hi list,

How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back
beat' ?
Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.

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Hi list,

How do you explain drumming terms: 'down beat' , 'up beat' and 'back beat' ?
Thanks and looking forward to get some responses.


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OK, gang... the Facebook Rudiments group is now active:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=58508054303

Join away, and have fun!!!

Tomas



edo wulia wrote:
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> Yes, would be a great idea. What do you think Tomas?
>
> Edo
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Barton" <crashputer@...
> <mailto:crashputer%40gmail.com>>
> To: <rudiments@yahoogroups.com <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Please add me at Facebook.com
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> > I'd like to see a Rudiments Facebook group. It could be a lot of fun
> and
> > far less formal than a mailing list or forum.
> >
> >
> > Peyman Nasehpour wrote:
> >>
> >> Dear Friends,
> >>
> >> It is a while that I have joined Facebook.com and it is a very strong
> >> social network. If you are also a member of Facebook.com, then perhaps
> >> you like to add me there as a friend that we can easily socialize and
> >> share our ideas and opinions about music and so on.
> >>
> >> In order to find me, please go to www.facebook.com , then search my
> >> name "Peyman Nasehpour" and you see a picture of mine having a ghaval
> >> (Azeri frame drum) in my hand.
> >>
> >> I am looking forward to discover many of my old friends in different
> >> mailing lists.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> Peyman
> >> --
> >> Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
> >> http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/
> <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/>
> <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/ <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/>>
> >> http://nasehpour.blogfa.com <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com>
> <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com>> (in Persian)
> >> Mathematics
> >> http://nasehpour.tk <http://nasehpour.tk> <http://nasehpour.tk
> <http://nasehpour.tk>>
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Yes, would be a great idea. What do you think Tomas?

Edo
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Barton" <crashputer@...>
To: <rudiments@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Please add me at Facebook.com


> I'd like to see a Rudiments Facebook group. It could be a lot of fun and
> far less formal than a mailing list or forum.
>
>
> Peyman Nasehpour wrote:
>>
>> Dear Friends,
>>
>> It is a while that I have joined Facebook.com and it is a very strong
>> social network. If you are also a member of Facebook.com, then perhaps
>> you like to add me there as a friend that we can easily socialize and
>> share our ideas and opinions about music and so on.
>>
>> In order to find me, please go to www.facebook.com , then search my
>> name "Peyman Nasehpour" and you see a picture of mine having a ghaval
>> (Azeri frame drum) in my hand.
>>
>> I am looking forward to discover many of my old friends in different
>> mailing lists.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Peyman
>> --
>> Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
>> http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/ <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/>
>> http://nasehpour.blogfa.com <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com> (in Persian)
>> Mathematics
>> http://nasehpour.tk <http://nasehpour.tk>
>>
>>
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Good idea, George!  I'll set one up tonight... let everyone know when
it's done and what the name is...

It's been slow here.. I think folks are moving on to other forums, like
Facebook...

Tomas
rudiments owner

George Barton wrote:
>
> I'd like to see a Rudiments Facebook group. It could be a lot of fun and
> far less formal than a mailing list or forum.
>
> Peyman Nasehpour wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > It is a while that I have joined Facebook.com and it is a very strong
> > social network. If you are also a member of Facebook.com, then perhaps
> > you like to add me there as a friend that we can easily socialize and
> > share our ideas and opinions about music and so on.
> >
> > In order to find me, please go to www.facebook.com , then search my
> > name "Peyman Nasehpour" and you see a picture of mine having a ghaval
> > (Azeri frame drum) in my hand.
> >
> > I am looking forward to discover many of my old friends in different
> > mailing lists.
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Peyman
> > --
> > Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
> > http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/
> <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/>
> <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/ <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/>>
> > http://nasehpour.blogfa.com <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com>
> <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com>> (in Persian)
> > Mathematics
> > http://nasehpour.tk <http://nasehpour.tk> <http://nasehpour.tk
> <http://nasehpour.tk>>
> >
> >
>
>



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I'd like to see a Rudiments Facebook group. It could be a lot of fun and
far less formal than a mailing list or forum.


Peyman Nasehpour wrote:
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> It is a while that I have joined Facebook.com and it is a very strong
> social network. If you are also a member of Facebook.com, then perhaps
> you like to add me there as a friend that we can easily socialize and
> share our ideas and opinions about music and so on.
>
> In order to find me, please go to www.facebook.com , then search my
> name "Peyman Nasehpour" and you see a picture of mine having a ghaval
> (Azeri frame drum) in my hand.
>
> I am looking forward to discover many of my old friends in different
> mailing lists.
>
> All the best,
>
> Peyman
> --
> Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
> http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/ <http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/>
> http://nasehpour.blogfa.com <http://nasehpour.blogfa.com> (in Persian)
> Mathematics
> http://nasehpour.tk <http://nasehpour.tk>
>
>

Dear Friends,

It is a while that I have joined Facebook.com and it is a very strong
social network. If you are also a member of Facebook.com, then perhaps
you like to add me there as a friend that we can easily socialize and
share our ideas and opinions about music and so on.

In order to find me, please go to www.facebook.com , then search my
name "Peyman Nasehpour" and you see a picture of mine having a ghaval
(Azeri frame drum) in my hand.

I am looking forward to discover many of my old friends in different
mailing lists.

All the best,

Peyman
--
Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
http://tonbak.wordpress.com/about/
http://nasehpour.blogfa.com (in Persian)
Mathematics
http://nasehpour.tk

Hello, You won't remember me.  I'm elkkid2 who used to post every now and
again...and then, didn't have a computer!
   Really, a BASS player who loves drums.
   Well, I got me a new computer, finaly.
   AND A PREMEIR 7-piece DRUMSET!!!!!!
   It's been so long since I've played drums...I'm starting all over.
   I figure NOW'W the time to switch from the old school across the Left hand
grip to the " holding both sticks straight out grip". (seems more balanced that
way.
AHHH! single stroke, double stroke, Multiable bounce, paradiddles...it's great
to work on these basics again! I haven't backed a band on drums since I was in a
counrty-rock band with Tre' Cools' sister Lori.(in 1987).--!
   SO--what's the best books now for BEGINNERS?
   The first time I sat behind a trapset was in 1964--and here I am--A beginner!
   I've faced it--I'll never really be a drummer.  But dropping the sticks on to
a drumhead feels SO GOOD!
   Thanks for still being here! I wonder if the drummer from Bali still writes?
             At any rate God bless you all,and...
              Keep on Drumming!

In einer eMail vom 07.01.2009 15:34:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
choppzilla74@...:

Cymbals  set up with
flat angles and played with a dead on stroke tend to last a  short
length of time  after a large amount of beating.if the cymbal  is
taking the brunt of the stroke and absorbing all of said stroke it
has no where to go.If the cymbal is being played at an angle and
being  glanced(using a swiping or slicing motion)the cymbal doesnt
take the brunt  of the stroke and will last longer.



just scientifically figure this out: play different cymbals at  different
angles over a given time, eg. 25 years, 4 gigs a week, each gig up to  5 hours.
After one month or 35 years tell me wich cymbal lasted longer..
grin
"tend to last a short length of time"
What is your definition of short lenght of time"???? How long does it take
you to destroy a ride cymbal? and what is your definition of "a large amount of
  beating it"? What is your definition of how long a cymbal is suppose to
last?




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The core to this question not only lies in the thickness of said
cymbal but also how the cymbal is being played.Cymbals set up with
flat angles and played with a dead on stroke tend to last a short
length of time  after a large amount of beating.if the cymbal is
taking the brunt of the stroke and absorbing all of said stroke it
has no where to go.If the cymbal is being played at an angle and
being glanced(using a swiping or slicing motion)the cymbal doesnt
take the brunt of the stroke and will last longer.

--- In rudiments@yahoogroups.com, Jason and Erin Brookens
<jebrookens@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Yeah some drummers are more physical than others.  I really can
appreciate a style like Kenny Aronoff...it just sounds so good when
he's playing a straight forward, extremely loud rock beat.  The flip
side of that is with endorsements, he doesn't have to worry about
buying cymbals! ;)
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Crunk Isized" <crunkisized@...>
> To: jebrookens@..., rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 3:06:45 PM (GMT-0500)
America/New_York
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
>
> Hi Jason -
>
> I remember asking this very same question on the alias a couple
years ago.  I had some Paiste fast crashes that I really loved, but
they just didn't last.  I was playing much harder stuff then, 5A
sticks and really physically letting it out.  I'm now using 8Ds most
of the time and playing more cover music - still get into it, but
have a bit more control now.  So I might be able to go back to them,
but I think I'd just play on them 'worried' the whole time I was
going to ruin another $200 cymbal.  I moved to a 16" Zildjian A
medium crash - which I *really* like, and it is much sturdier than
the fast crashes - and an 18" Zildjian A Projection crash.  The 18"
is extremely sturdy, too, but over time I've 'fallen out of love'
with that cymbal.  I think the 'projection' line is pretty harsh -
or I should say, more appropriate for harder/louder music.
>
> Most of the comments I rec'd discussed that I was hitting too
hard.  No doubt something to consider - I took that advice to heart -
  but I also think that some drummers are just more physical players
than others - not a better or worse thing - so some cymbal breakage
is bound to happen.
>
> Take care,
>
> Brett
>
>
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> From: jebrookens@...
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:23:20 -0500
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good thoughts, Jim.  I play hard rock and am not the lightest
player, but far from the heaviest either.  I've also investigated in
the past how to "properly" hit the cymbals and what angle they should
be at and also leave the wingnuts very loose on the cymbal stands. 
The places we're playing now I know I tend to play just a bit
harder to compete with stage volume like you described, but I really
don't think it's that much different than my normal playing.  I do
think I will take you up on your advice though to get another drummer
to watch my technique....it never hurts to do that every once in a
while anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim" < daman4_2001@... >
> To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" < jebrookens@... >,
rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00:08 PM (GMT-0500)
America/New_York
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using
to play the cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order
to decrease sustain and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge
investment and obviously you want to protect them. Ask a drummer
friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate the force with which
you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my life, and
traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-
early 70's playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat
the kit to keep up with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian
medium crashes that I sold to a friend when I bought the A's (which
I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's of drummers played them,
a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house for 3 years,
in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince K's
are durable, not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be
hitting a little too hard.
>
> From: Jason and Erin Brookens < jebrookens@... >
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very
fragile...almost more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A
customs for my rock gigs though.  Vince, what model of K are you
using?  I have used the K dark crash and K customs, I think.  And
thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into the Dream Cymbals.
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VINCENT OLES" < pvoles@... >
> To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_
York
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Jason,
> After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if
you're playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18"
crash, China and 20" crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I
also have A series that I use for lighter playing gigs and yes they
are definitely more fragile.
> Good Luck!
> Vince
>
> To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
> From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
> Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing
this way too frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice
as to which cymbals are going to last the longest without cracking. I
know this is relative because one cymbal may crack in a month while
another cymbal of the same model may last years. I have a Zildjian A
Custom that cracked the first time I played out with it, 2 weeks
after I bought it.
>
> But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on
average?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
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