The core to this question not only lies in the thickness of said
cymbal but also how the cymbal is being played.Cymbals set up with
flat angles and played with a dead on stroke tend to last a short
length of time  after a large amount of beating.if the cymbal is
taking the brunt of the stroke and absorbing all of said stroke it
has no where to go.If the cymbal is being played at an angle and
being glanced(using a swiping or slicing motion)the cymbal doesnt
take the brunt of the stroke and will last longer.

--- In rudiments@yahoogroups.com, Jason and Erin Brookens
<jebrookens@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yeah some drummers are more physical than others.  I really can
appreciate a style like Kenny Aronoff...it just sounds so good when
he's playing a straight forward, extremely loud rock beat.  The flip
side of that is with endorsements, he doesn't have to worry about
buying cymbals! ;)
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Crunk Isized" <crunkisized@...>
> To: jebrookens@..., rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 3:06:45 PM (GMT-0500)
America/New_York
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
>
> Hi Jason -
>
> I remember asking this very same question on the alias a couple
years ago.  I had some Paiste fast crashes that I really loved, but
they just didn't last.  I was playing much harder stuff then, 5A
sticks and really physically letting it out.  I'm now using 8Ds most
of the time and playing more cover music - still get into it, but
have a bit more control now.  So I might be able to go back to them,
but I think I'd just play on them 'worried' the whole time I was
going to ruin another $200 cymbal.  I moved to a 16" Zildjian A
medium crash - which I *really* like, and it is much sturdier than
the fast crashes - and an 18" Zildjian A Projection crash.  The 18"
is extremely sturdy, too, but over time I've 'fallen out of love'
with that cymbal.  I think the 'projection' line is pretty harsh -
or I should say, more appropriate for harder/louder music.
>
> Most of the comments I rec'd discussed that I was hitting too
hard.  No doubt something to consider - I took that advice to heart -
  but I also think that some drummers are just more physical players
than others - not a better or worse thing - so some cymbal breakage
is bound to happen.
>
> Take care,
>
> Brett
>
>
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> From: jebrookens@...
> Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:23:20 -0500
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good thoughts, Jim.  I play hard rock and am not the lightest
player, but far from the heaviest either.  I've also investigated in
the past how to "properly" hit the cymbals and what angle they should
be at and also leave the wingnuts very loose on the cymbal stands. 
The places we're playing now I know I tend to play just a bit
harder to compete with stage volume like you described, but I really
don't think it's that much different than my normal playing.  I do
think I will take you up on your advice though to get another drummer
to watch my technique....it never hurts to do that every once in a
while anyway.
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim" < daman4_2001@... >
> To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" < jebrookens@... >,
rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00:08 PM (GMT-0500)
America/New_York
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using
to play the cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order
to decrease sustain and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge
investment and obviously you want to protect them. Ask a drummer
friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate the force with which
you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my life, and
traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-
early 70's playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat
the kit to keep up with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian
medium crashes that I sold to a friend when I bought the A's (which
I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's of drummers played them,
a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house for 3 years,
in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince K's
are durable, not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be
hitting a little too hard.
>
> From: Jason and Erin Brookens < jebrookens@... >
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very
fragile...almost more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A
customs for my rock gigs though.  Vince, what model of K are you
using?  I have used the K dark crash and K customs, I think.  And
thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into the Dream Cymbals.
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VINCENT OLES" < pvoles@... >
> To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_
York
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Jason,
> After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if
you're playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18"
crash, China and 20" crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I
also have A series that I use for lighter playing gigs and yes they
are definitely more fragile.
> Good Luck!
> Vince
>
> To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
> From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
> Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing
this way too frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice
as to which cymbals are going to last the longest without cracking. I
know this is relative because one cymbal may crack in a month while
another cymbal of the same model may last years. I have a Zildjian A
Custom that cracked the first time I played out with it, 2 weeks
after I bought it.
>
> But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on
average?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
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Yeah some drummers are more physical than others.  I really can appreciate a
style like Kenny Aronoff...it just sounds so good when he's playing a straight
forward, extremely loud rock beat.  The flip side of that is with endorsements,
he doesn't have to worry about buying cymbals! ;)

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "Crunk Isized" <crunkisized@...>
To: jebrookens@..., rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 3:06:45 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan


Hi Jason -

I remember asking this very same question on the alias a couple years ago.  I
had some Paiste fast crashes that I really loved, but they just didn't last.  I
was playing much harder stuff then, 5A sticks and really physically letting it
out.  I'm now using 8Ds most of the time and playing more cover music - still
get into it, but have a bit more control now.  So I might be able to go back to
them, but I think I'd just play on them 'worried' the whole time I was going to
ruin another $200 cymbal.  I moved to a 16" Zildjian A medium crash - which I
*really* like, and it is much sturdier than the fast crashes - and an 18"
Zildjian A Projection crash.  The 18" is extremely sturdy, too, but over time
I've 'fallen out of love' with that cymbal.  I think the 'projection' line is
pretty harsh - or I should say, more appropriate for harder/louder music.

Most of the comments I rec'd discussed that I was hitting too hard.  No doubt
something to consider - I took that advice to heart - but I also think that some
drummers are just more physical players than others - not a better or worse
thing - so some cymbal breakage is bound to happen.

Take care,

Brett


To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
From: jebrookens@...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:23:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan






Good thoughts, Jim.  I play hard rock and am not the lightest player, but far
from the heaviest either.  I've also investigated in the past how to "properly"
hit the cymbals and what angle they should be at and also leave the wingnuts
very loose on the cymbal stands.  The places we're playing now I know
I tend to play just a bit harder to compete with stage volume like you
described, but I really don't think it's that much different than my normal
playing.  I do think I will take you up on your advice though to get another
drummer to watch my technique....it never hurts to do that every once in a while
anyway.

Thanks,
Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" < daman4_2001@... >
To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" < jebrookens@... >,
rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00:08 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using to play the
cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order to decrease sustain
and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge investment and obviously you
want to protect them. Ask a drummer friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate
the force with which you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my
life, and traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-early 70's
playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat the kit to keep up
with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian medium crashes that I sold to a
friend when I bought the A's (which I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's
of drummers played them, a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house
for 3 years, in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince
K's are durable, not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be hitting a
little too hard.

From: Jason and Erin Brookens < jebrookens@... >
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very fragile...almost
more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A customs for my rock gigs
though.  Vince, what model of K are you using?  I have used the K dark crash
and K customs, I think.  And thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into
the Dream Cymbals.

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "VINCENT OLES" < pvoles@... >
To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Jason,
After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if you're
playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18" crash, China and 20"
crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I also have A series that I use for
lighter playing gigs and yes they are definitely more fragile.
Good Luck!
Vince

To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason

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Hi Jason -

I remember asking this very same question on the alias a couple years ago.  I
had some Paiste fast crashes that I really loved, but they just didn't last.  I
was playing much harder stuff then, 5A sticks and really physically letting it
out.  I'm now using 8Ds most of the time and playing more cover music - still
get into it, but have a bit more control now.  So I might be able to go back to
them, but I think I'd just play on them 'worried' the whole time I was going to
ruin another $200 cymbal.  I moved to a 16" Zildjian A medium crash - which I
*really* like, and it is much sturdier than the fast crashes - and an 18"
Zildjian A Projection crash.  The 18" is extremely sturdy, too, but over time
I've 'fallen out of love' with that cymbal.  I think the 'projection' line is
pretty harsh - or I should say, more appropriate for harder/louder music.

Most of the comments I rec'd discussed that I was hitting too hard.  No doubt
something to consider - I took that advice to heart - but I also think that some
drummers are just more physical players than others - not a better or worse
thing - so some cymbal breakage is bound to happen.

Take care,

Brett

To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
From: jebrookens@...
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:23:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
























Good thoughts, Jim.  I play hard rock and am not the lightest player, but far
from the heaviest either.  I've also investigated in the past how to "properly"
hit the cymbals and what angle they should be at and also leave the wingnuts
very loose on the cymbal stands.  The places we're playing now I know I tend to
play just a bit harder to compete with stage volume like you described, but I
really don't think it's that much different than my normal playing.  I do think
I will take you up on your advice though to get another drummer to watch my
technique....it never hurts to do that every once in a while anyway.



Thanks,

Jason



----- Original Message -----

From: "jim" <daman4_2001@...>

To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" <jebrookens@...>,
rudiments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00:08 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York

Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan



Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using to play the
cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order to decrease sustain
and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge investment and obviously you
want to protect them. Ask a drummer friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate
the force with which you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my
life, and traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-early 70's
playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat the kit to keep up
with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian medium crashes that I sold to a
friend when I bought the A's (which I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's
of drummers played them, a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house
for 3 years, in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince
K's are durable, not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be hitting a
little too hard.



From: Jason and Erin Brookens <jebrookens@...>

To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM

Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan



Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very fragile...almost
more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A customs for my rock gigs
though.  Vince, what model of K are you using?  I have used the K dark crash and
K customs, I think.  And thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into the
Dream Cymbals.



Jason



----- Original Message -----

From: "VINCENT OLES" < pvoles@... >

To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com

Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York

Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan



Jason,

After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if you're
playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18" crash, China and 20"
crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I also have A series that I use for
lighter playing gigs and yes they are definitely more fragile.

Good Luck!

Vince



To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com

From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500

Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan



I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.



But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?



Thanks,

Jason



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Hiy'all:
    Bein' a bunch o' drummers, I wonder if some of ya agree with my groovist's
beleifs?!?  The bonding that happens musically between musicians in a band, or
even the energy with all those in a non-structured drum circles can be
overwhelming!!  If we were to take this to a global level, I believe it will
serve our purpose as conscious beings on this planet!  Evolution will be stepped
forward. Our being "made in His image" tells us we should be able to perform the
miracles that are expected/needed by Him.  By uniting the globe, we will
accomplish that!!  Don't ya think??.... What do ya think?
  Nothin' to buy or join.... just be with us
www/groovism.net provides the pulse for us all to Be with!!
Groove On
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Thanks for all of the advice.  It's great to see some life on this forum again.
:)  Just a reminder, make sure you hit "reply all" to include the entire
Rudiments list.  It's been a great discussion and I'm sure everyone could
benefit in some way.  I've probably received 15-20 responses so far!

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "nick wadson" <drummerboy69n@...>
To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" <jebrookens@...>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2008 11:46:31 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

My 2 cents as far as heavy drumming is concerned. Try the Istanbul Alchemy
brilliant finish cymbals. I used to be a Sabian/ Zildjian mix and matcher, but
these cymbals and the company must be the best on the planet. Yes they are bit
pricey but they sound great and stand up well ( especially the ride ) for not
just rock but jazz and funk applications.

God bless,
Nick

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From: Jason and Erin Brookens <jebrookens@...>
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
To: "rudiments" <rudiments@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 12:23 AM









Good thoughts, Jim.  I play hard rock and am not the lightest player, but far
from the heaviest either.  I've also investigated in the past how to "properly"
hit the cymbals and what angle they should be at and also leave the wingnuts
very loose on the cymbal stands.  The places we're playing now I know
I tend to play just a bit harder to compete with stage volume like you
described, but I really don't think it's that much different than my normal
playing.  I do think I will take you up on your advice though to get another
drummer to watch my technique... .it never hurts to do that every once in a
while anyway.

Thanks,
Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" < daman4_2001@ yahoo.com >
To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" < jebrookens@embarqma il.com >,
rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00:08 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using to play the
cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order to decrease sustain
and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge investment and obviously you
want to protect them. Ask a drummer friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate
the force with which you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my
life, and traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-early 70's
playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat the kit to keep up
with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian medium crashes that I sold to a
friend when I bought the A's (which I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's
of drummers played them, a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house
for 3 years, in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince
K's are durable, not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be hitting a
little too hard.

From: Jason and Erin Brookens < jebrookens@embarqma il.com >
To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very fragile...almost
more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A customs for my rock gigs
though.  Vince, what model of K are you using?  I have used the K dark crash
and K customs, I think.  And thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into
the Dream Cymbals.

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "VINCENT OLES" < pvoles@... >
To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Jason,
After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if you're
playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18" crash, China and 20"
crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I also have A series that I use for
lighter playing gigs and yes they are definitely more fragile.
Good Luck!
Vince

To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason

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Good thoughts, Jim.  I play hard rock and am not the lightest player, but far
from the heaviest either.  I've also investigated in the past how to "properly"
hit the cymbals and what angle they should be at and also leave the wingnuts
very loose on the cymbal stands.  The places we're playing now I know
I tend to play just a bit harder to compete with stage volume like you
described, but I really don't think it's that much different than my normal
playing.  I do think I will take you up on your advice though to get another
drummer to watch my technique....it never hurts to do that every once in a while
anyway.

Thanks,
Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim" <daman4_2001@...>
To: "Jason and Erin Brookens" <jebrookens@...>,
rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00:08 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan




Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using to play the
cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order to decrease sustain
and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge investment and obviously you
want to protect them. Ask a drummer friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate
the force with which you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my
life, and traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-early 70's
playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat the kit to keep up
with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian medium crashes that I sold to a
friend when I bought the A's (which I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's
of drummers played them, a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house
for 3 years, in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince
K's are durable, not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be hitting a
little too hard.




From: Jason and Erin Brookens <jebrookens@...>
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan








Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very fragile...almost
more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A customs for my rock gigs
though.  Vince, what model of K are you using?  I have used the K dark crash
and K customs, I think.  And thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into
the Dream Cymbals.

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "VINCENT OLES" < pvoles@... >
To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Jason,
After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if you're
playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18" crash, China and 20"
crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I also have A series that I use for
lighter playing gigs and yes they are definitely more fragile.
Good Luck!
Vince

To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason

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I play worship and rehearse at home some of it can be heavy plus I like to
rock out to my old metal hair days as well. I broke one of my original
cymbals so I did a lot of searching and testing for both the tonal qualities
I wanted and the heaviness to withstand my large frame and strength that I
can be guilty of using a bit to much. I went with the Sabian Paragons as it
seemed to be to be a blend of the Zildgian A or Sabian AA and the thinner
faster cymbals like the HHX etc as well but it was a heavier cymbal also so
hopefully it would hold up better.



Just my thoughts. btw way sorry for not being too more eloquent.. In a hurry
and typing dast!!



Merry Christmas to all and Happy New Year!



   _____

From: rudiments@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rudiments@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of jim
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 6:00 PM
To: Jason and Erin Brookens; rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan



Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using to play
the cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order to decrease
sustain and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge investment and
obviously you want to protect them. Ask a drummer friend whose opinion you
respect to evaluate the force with which you're playing with. I'm 60 and
have been playing all my life, and traveled with a Stax tour in the late
60's and the only time in my life I have had problems with cymbal breakage
was in the late 60'-early 70's playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and
having to beat the kit to keep up with the amplification. I had a set of
Zildjian medium crashes that I sold to a friend when I bought the A's (which
I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's of drummers played them, a band
I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house for 3 years, in Orlando, and
they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince K's are durable,
not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be hitting a little too
hard.

________________________________
From: Jason and Erin Brookens <jebrookens@embarqma
<mailto:jebrookens%40embarqmail.com> il.com>
To: rudiments@yahoogrou <mailto:rudiments%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very
fragile...almost more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A customs
for my rock gigs though.  Vince, what model of K are you using?  I have used
the K dark crash and K customs, I think.  And thanks for the advice Ken, I'm
going to look into the Dream Cymbals.

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "VINCENT OLES" <pvoles@... <mailto:pvoles%40msn.com> >
To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Jason,
After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if you're
playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18" crash, China and
20" crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I also have A series that I
use for lighter playing gigs and yes they are definitely more fragile.
Good Luck!
Vince

To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way
too frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which
cymbals are going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is
relative because one cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the
same model may last years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first
time I played out with it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason

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Hi David,

I have 2 sets of hardware...Yamaha I bought with my Yamaha kit and Sonor that
accompanies my Mapex kit, which I bought as a shell pack. I thought the Aquarian
gadgets were a great idea and bought a bunch of them and I found them inadequate
at best. They didn't fit the Sonor stands properly and tend to fly off during
play. A good quality stand, like Yamaha is designed to allow the wingnut to be
tightened so it will remain in place and still allow the cymbal freedom to
"rock". At the time I bought the Aquarian "thingys" I was using 3 crashes, 1
china, and 2 splashes, and if I remember the cost was $5.00 each ($30.00US),
they now are stored comfortably in the toolbox I carry with parts, etc.
Personally I like my ride cymbal to be almost rigid, they weren't satisfatory
for that purpose either.

Jim




________________________________
From: David Daughrity <daughrity1@...>
To: jim <daman4_2001@...>
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 5:40:51 PM
Subject: Re: Cymbal lifespan

One small note on the cymbal cracks:  You should also be aware of how
much you're tightening the cymbals down on the stands.
Overtightening will definitely cause undue stress on the cymbals; Add
this to heavy crashing and breakage is sure to occur eventually.  I
know that Aquarian (I think...) makes cymbal springs which attach to
the stand tops, helping to alleviate the potential problems to some
degree.  Hope this helps as well!

David
daughrity1@...


--- In rudiments@yahoogroups.com, jim <daman4_2001@...> wrote:
>
> Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using
to play the cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order
to decrease sustain and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge
investment and obviously you want to protect them. Ask a drummer
friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate the force with which
you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my life, and
traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-
early 70's playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat
the kit to keep up with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian
medium crashes that I sold to a friend when I bought the A's (which
I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's of drummers played them,
a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house for 3 years,
in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince K's
are durable,
>  not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be hitting a
little too hard.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jason and Erin Brookens <jebrookens@...>
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
>
>
>
> Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very
fragile...almost more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A
customs for my rock gigs though.  Vince, what model of K are you
using?  I have used the K dark crash and K customs, I think.  And
thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into the Dream Cymbals.
>
> Jason
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "VINCENT OLES" <pvoles@...>
> To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_
York
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> Jason,
> After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if
you're playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18"
crash, China and 20" crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I
also have A series that I use for lighter playing gigs and yes they
are definitely more fragile.
> Good Luck!
> Vince
>
> To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
> From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
> Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan
>
> I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing
this way too frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice
as to which cymbals are going to last the longest without cracking. I
know this is relative because one cymbal may crack in a month while
another cymbal of the same model may last years. I have a Zildjian A
Custom that cracked the first time I played out with it, 2 weeks
after I bought it.
>
> But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on
average?
>
> Thanks,
> Jason
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Friends,

I am unhappy to see how innocent people are killed in Gaza. I am
seeking to see if anybody is interested in starting a peace drumming
session.

"Iran House of Music", the biggest Iranian NGO for music, has invited
musicians of the world to play for peace.

All the best,

Peyman
--
Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
http://rhythmweb.com/peyman
http://nasehpour.blogfa.com (in Persian)
Mathematics
http://nasehpour.tk

Jason...once again you might take a look at the force you're using to play the
cymbals...the Fast Crashes I have are extra-thin in order to decrease sustain
and I love them. I play them. Cymbals are a huge investment and obviously you
want to protect them. Ask a drummer friend whose opinion you respect to evaluate
the force with which you're playing with. I'm 60 and have been playing all my
life, and traveled with a Stax tour in the late 60's and the only time in my
life I have had problems with cymbal breakage was in the late 60'-early 70's
playing hard rock, with extreme volumes and having to beat the kit to keep up
with the amplification. I had a set of Zildjian medium crashes that I sold to a
friend when I bought the A's (which I'm sorry I let them go) for 25 years. 100's
of drummers played them, a band I was in hosted a jam session to a packed house
for 3 years, in Orlando, and they were still in good shape. I agree with Vince
K's are durable,
  not being judgemental, but it sounds to me you may be hitting a little too
hard.




________________________________
From: Jason and Erin Brookens <jebrookens@...>
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 3:50:45 PM
Subject: Re: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan




Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very fragile...almost
more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A customs for my rock gigs
though.  Vince, what model of K are you using?  I have used the K dark crash and
K customs, I think.  And thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into the
Dream Cymbals.

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "VINCENT OLES" <pvoles@...>
To: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_ York
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

Jason,
After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if you're
playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18" crash, China and 20"
crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I also have A series that I use for
lighter playing gigs and yes they are definitely more fragile.
Good Luck!
Vince

To: rudiments@yahoogrou ps.com
From: jebrookens@embarqma il.com
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan

I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason

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Interesting.  I've played K's for pop/rock and they seem very fragile...almost
more than the A customs.  I like the sound of the A customs for my rock gigs
though.  Vince, what model of K are you using?  I have used the K dark crash
and K customs, I think.  And thanks for the advice Ken, I'm going to look into
the Dream Cymbals.

Jason

----- Original Message -----
From: "VINCENT OLES" <pvoles@...>
To: jebrookens@...
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 4:32:49 PM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan


Jason,
After 40 years of playing Zildian, I would suggest the K series if you're
playing metal or rock music. I still have my 24" ride, 18" crash, China and 20"
crash after 30 years of continuous playing. I also have A series that I use for
lighter playing gigs and yes they are definitely more fragile.
Good Luck!
Vince


To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
From: jebrookens@...
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:46:19 -0500
Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan




I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason



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I play Zildjian Custom A Fast Crashes, they are close to 3 years old and are in
brand new condition. The life of a cymbal boils down to how you play them (or
bash them) and take care of them. Mine are kept and transported in hardcases
when not on the drumset and I tend to play not bash them. The type of music you
play, the band you're are in and its stage volume, whether you are miced
properly and your personal monitor feeding back your sound will also be factors
in determining how hard you hit them. I play funk, r&b, rock, blues primarily.
Obviously the harder you hit the thicker the cymbal you will need. I hope this
helps.




________________________________
From: Jason and Erin Brookens <jebrookens@...>
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:46:19 PM
Subject: [rudiments] Cymbal lifespan


I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years. I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking. I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years. I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason





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I'm looking to buy some new cymbals and it seems I've been doing this way too
frequently over the years.  I'm looking for some advice as to which cymbals are
going to last the longest without cracking.  I know this is relative because one
cymbal may crack in a month while another cymbal of the same model may last
years.  I have a Zildjian A Custom that cracked the first time I played out with
it, 2 weeks after I bought it.

But anyway, has anybody found one cymbal brand to last longer on average?

Thanks,
Jason

I think my DW kit has a 16" floor tom with a depth of 14".  If your kit is
anything like mine, the high toms (mine are 12" and 13") have pretty decent
low-end tones.  My floor tom is no exception--very meaty, rumbling sound.

Jason


----- Original Message -----
From: "Crunk Isized" <crunkisized@...>
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:55:49 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: [rudiments] 16" Low tom - depth advice?








Hello There!

Hope everyone is doing well, and I wish everyone a happy and healthy 2009.

I currently have a 5 piece DW kit with the following dimensions:

(Depth x Diam)
9" x 10"
10" x 12"
12" X 14"
18" X 22" bass drum

... when I play out, I haven't used the 10" small tom in quite awhile. I'm
looking to add a 16" low tom (to bring the thunder!) when we play places that
have the room for it. My question is around the depth, and looking for some
opinions. Should I go with a (depth x diam) of 14" x 16" to keep with the
general make up of the rest of the kit, or would 16 x 16 be a better option?
This is just cover band stuff - dance, funk, rock - and my 14" tom has a nice
low tone ... this is more because I'm just craving a wicked low end drum for
something new to play with. :)

Any opinions welcome!

Thanks,

Brett

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Hello There!

Hope everyone is doing well, and I wish everyone a happy and healthy 2009.

I currently have a 5 piece DW kit with the following dimensions:

(Depth x Diam)
9" x 10"
10" x 12"
12" X 14"
18" X 22" bass drum

  ... when I play out, I haven't used the 10" small tom in quite awhile.  I'm
looking to add a 16" low tom (to bring the thunder!) when we play places that
have the room for it.  My question is around the depth, and looking for some
opinions.  Should I go with a (depth x diam) of 14" x 16" to keep with the
general make up of the rest of the kit, or would 16 x 16 be a better option? 
This is just cover band stuff - dance, funk, rock - and my 14" tom has a nice
low tone ... this is more because I'm just craving a wicked low end drum for
something new to play with.  :)

Any opinions welcome!

Thanks,

Brett

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www.cintiaorlandi.com
Hugs and kisses Honey




Happy Holidays
by Poet deVine

We seem to have lost the spirit of Christmas
amid the scandal and sadness this year.
So many things have happened in the world
it's hard to be filled with good cheer.

We grumble and groan and complain, it's true
treat each other with indignity and scorn
We see the world with eyes tightly shut
never seeing that gift that was born.

A gift that can lighten a stressful load
or clear prejudice from our eyes
a gift that we have the power to give
it comes in every shape and size.

Please pass on this gift - just give it away
but hold some of it close in your heart.
For we are together but a brief time in life
give it away before we must part.

On Christmas this year, I wish for you
the special gift we can use each day
It's the gift of love - of hope - of peace
that increases as you give it away.


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Hope you all have a very joyful Christmas and a happy new year.
We all have something to bring to Jesus on His birthday, just like
the 'Little Drummer Boy',
Cheers,
Pete


--- In rudiments@yahoogroups.com, "Ramon Nazareno" <rnazareno@...>
wrote:
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> Let peace reigns in our hearts...God bless us all.
>
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>
> Ramon
>
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>
> From: Ramon Nazareno
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:44 AM
> To: 'Debra Jacobs'
> Subject: RE: [rudiments] Just popped in
>
>
>
> Let peace reigns in our hearts...God bless us all.
>
>
>
> Ramon
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: rudiments@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rudiments@yahoogroups.com]
On
> Behalf Of Debra Jacobs
> Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:04 AM
> To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [rudiments] Just popped in
>
>
>
> Just popped in to wish you all
> a Safe and Happy Holiday Season and a Very Merry Christmas!
>
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Let peace reigns in our hearts...God bless us all.



Ramon





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Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:44 AM
To: 'Debra Jacobs'
Subject: RE: [rudiments] Just popped in



Let peace reigns in our hearts...God bless us all.



Ramon



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Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:04 AM
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rudiments] Just popped in



Just popped in to wish you all
a Safe and Happy Holiday Season and a Very Merry Christmas!




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Merry Christmas to all!
   Tony Portella

Tomas Howie <tomh@...> wrote:
           Thank you, Debra!

Yes, Happy Holiday wishes to everyone!

Tomas
rudiments owner

Debra Jacobs wrote:
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Thank you, Debra!

Yes, Happy Holiday wishes to everyone!

Tomas
rudiments owner


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Just popped in to wish you all
a Safe and Happy Holiday Season and a Very Merry Christmas!

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY TUNED YEAR
CINTIA ORLANDI

Here are some of my videos on Youtube


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoEtc3VPl2o - percussion 1

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktx5Y3GrfGk - drums 1

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=kU9kqmoWrF4 - samba 1

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=A4CAe7iG1Wg - Samba 2

http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=YERiDfoHj1c - double pedal

I also have my music on Myspace and books about the subject on my site

http://www.myspace.com/cintiaorlandi

http://www.cintiaorlandi.com/ingles/books/index.htm

This is actually very beautiful music.  A great happy coincidence indeed.

Cheers,
Tom


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Dear Friends,

Today while I was checking some interesting video clips at youtube, I
noticed that three weeks ago somebody, probably living in UK, has
posted a clip of mine accompanying famous setar player, Massoud
Shaari.

http://tonbak.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/massoud-shaaris-setar-and-peyman-nasehpou\
rs-tonbak-video-clip/

If you like to see the clip directly at Youtube, please go to the
following page:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECQLZfxmH9c

----------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tpjcLJ6ei4

This is a clip of the respect ceremonies to maestro Houshang Zarif and
Maestro Mohammad Esmaili organized by "Iran House of Music". You see
my father in the clip giving the awards to those great masters.

While I was seeing the second part:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ua7zpcIl5c

I noticed the clip of Massoud. I was listening to the tonbak that I
felt that was my own tonbak!

-----------

What a strange coincidence!

Peyman Nasehpour

--
Hand Drummer (Tonbak, Ghaval & Daf)
http://rhythmweb.com/peyman
http://nasehpour.blogfa.com (in Persian)

Hi everyone,

www.myspace.com/cintiaorlandi

Hope this is ok to post here... You can see a list of my groups on Grouply at
the link below. Maybe you'll find some you want to join.

Cintia

Here's the link:
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Hi!
Me again with a new video about Double Pedal. Rudiments and different stuff from
just rock
Enjoy
 
Oi Genten!
Desta vez a aula é de Pedal Duplo.
Bem básico só pra começar. Quem quiser ter uma idéia da barulheira que é vai no
link :
 
http://br.youtube.com/watch?v=YERiDfoHj1c
 
Hugs Honey
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1e+a 2+a are sixteenth notes..Accent on +, not on down beat!  Bassdrum on
downbeat(quarters 1, 2, 3, 4).  throw in some doubles, ghost notes, accents, &
flams, & your trainin'!!!
Groove On
Ken




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Hi everyone,

I am looking for some resources or articles that can correctly teach me
how to play the country music train beat. I have seen some videos on
youTube, but they are played pretty fast, so it is not that clear on
how it should really be played. I know it is supposed to be 16th notes
with accents on the down beat, but i would really like to see some type
of notation that i can use to folow and start slowly and get it correct.

Anyones help would be greatly appreciated.

Hi Debi,



It's great you have popped up. It's been a busy season but glad you have
dropped by.

Let me hear about Smoke Ribs, that's a cool thing besides drumming.



Well, I hope everyone is in great shape and just want to say hello to
all members.



God bless America.



Ramon





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From: rudiments@yahoogroups.com [mailto:rudiments@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Debra Jacobs
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 12:55 AM
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [rudiments] Just popped in to say Hi



Hello there Guys and Gals -

Haven't been around for awhile it's been really hecktic trying to keep
up with my BBQ/Smoking Meat/Cooking forum and my drumming has taken a
back seat for awhile. Who knew so many people were interested in
learning to Smoke Ribs?

Just wanted to say Hi and I hope all is well with the members!I try to
get in more often as things should be slowing down a bit I think with
the winter comming on.

Debi




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Hi Debra
You can eat ribs, but you can only play the drumms!

--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Debra Jacobs <deejay@...> wrote:

From: Debra Jacobs <deejay@...>
Subject: [rudiments] Just popped in to say Hi
To: rudiments@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:55 PM






Hello there Guys and Gals -

Haven't been around for awhile it's been really hecktic trying to keep
up with my BBQ/Smoking Meat/Cooking forum and my drumming has taken a
back seat for awhile. Who knew so many people were interested in
learning to Smoke Ribs?

Just wanted to say Hi and I hope all is well with the members!I try to
get in more often as things should be slowing down a bit I think with
the winter comming on.

Debi


















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