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I hadn't listened to any of the new "car" songs from the tour before
yesterday when "Fork In The Road" appeared on ny.com. I listened and
was underwhelmed, but hey, it's just one song, and it sounds like only
part of the song as well.

So last night, I decided to throw on the NYC2 show to hear the rest of
the new songs, and well, I had to turn it off. Light A Candle was
forgettable, Cough Up The Bucks was bad, and I got halfway through
Fuel Line before I realized that my jaw was agape from the shock.

I don't think that words can really adequately describe my opinion of
these songs. I'd like to think that this is how fans must have felt
when they first heard Trans or Everybody's Rockin', but as strange as
those two albums were, there was something new and radical in the
music. There was a twist, a gimmick, an experiment that didn't quite
work.

This new stuff is simply the most tired music I've ever heard from
Neil. I hope it's just half-baked and needs to be reworked in the
studio, or something, but I'm afraid that there's not enough substance
to make the songs be anything short of below average at best.

I've been a fan for 20 years. I've bought every new Neil album
immediately after release for 15 years. Even when I was listening to
new albums that I knew were well below Neil's peak performances of the
past, I could still find merit in them. Even Are You Passionate,
which I rank as Neil's worst solo release, had sparks of brilliance
amid the shlocky sentimentality of lyrics set to a musical genre that
was poorly suited to Neil's musical skills. These songs are right in
Neil's comfort zone musically, but there's nothing to them. The
lyrics are pedestrian, and the music I'd call pedestrian too, except I
just used that metaphor, so I'll say that it's more like "wheelchair
bound".


Please tell me that the other songs are better than these.


I'm really worried. Not that Neil will produce a substandard album
that will get poor reviews. Neil's a big boy, he can take some bad
press, and he probably doesn't care one way or the other about what
people think of his music. I'm worried that Neil has a good amount of
attention focussed on him right now. He's just come off over a year
of touring, and he's had very good press for his last 2 NYAPS
releases, which has placed focus on his impending Archives release.

Whether Neil releases these new songs right before or right after the
Archives, I think it will negatively impact future Archives releases,
which, much more than new releases, is the focus of my Neil obsession
at the moment (perhaps now you understand why). If the Archives comes
out first, it will only bring more attention to Neil, not all positive
as many will criticize the Archives for what it is and is not. If he
were to follow up with an album of stinkers as a soundtrack to a
self-directed film about his current vanity project, the LincVolt, it
will reinforce the stereotype of Neil as a self-involved artist
indifferent to anyone's musical tastes but his own. Even worse would
be if he bumped the Archives so that he could release a new album of
stinkers. An album this bad could permanently delay the Archives
(since we can figure Reprise isn't terribly anxious to try to sell a
$400 box set of mostly previously released tracks).

So I hope Neil does the right thing with this new music. Only he
knows what that is, but this time I don't think I'll be able to defend
it if it becomes the center of his musical world in the coming months.

--PunkDavid (I swear, I'll try to listen to the other songs tonight)




Thu Jan 8, 2009 11:22 pm

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I hadn't listened to any of the new "car" songs from the tour before yesterday when "Fork In The Road" appeared on ny.com. I listened and was underwhelmed,...
PunkDavid
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Jan 8, 2009
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I concur but I liked TRAS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]...
tom
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Jan 9, 2009
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... I've said it before, but I think it bears repeating. I believe Neil is now writing songs for Pegi to sing back-up to. "Moe the Sleaze" a.k.a. Chuck King ...
Chuck King
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Jan 9, 2009
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... substance ... Now, don't go off half-cocked but, honestly, half-baked is being generous. I think these are largely overbaked. Stick of fork in them. ...
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Jan 9, 2009
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... I agree - they sound like rushed sketches of pretty uninspiring songs so far. Neil can do 100 x better if he really tries. Surely, because his playing and...
Nick Birch
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Jan 9, 2009
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And all this time I thought he was doing these songs for her Xylophone stylings...Jim ... substance ... Neil is...
Jim Misiano
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Jan 9, 2009
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... hmmm... a "stylophone"? what do you use to play it? forks? Miron...
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Jan 9, 2009
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... is now writing songs for Pegi to sing back-up to. ... Doesn't sound like she's on Fork in the Road. Speaking of backround vocals, I think they really...
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Jan 9, 2009
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Damn, I just don't know where to start... so I guess I'll just say we're all entitled to our opinions (with the possible exception of Jules, I think I read). I...
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... ~sigh~ ron, don't you get it yet????? we all just want neil to do exactly what we want him to do..... and we all want him to be exactly who WE want him to...
marilyn
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Jan 9, 2009
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... So what do you think of the car songs? I think I just got scolded for being rude, and told that I'm a wise ass whippersnapper, or something to that...
PunkDavid
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Jan 9, 2009
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... <snip> hope that it will cause America (and the world) to rethink our costly addiction to oil and raping the planet at every turn. <snip> they sure are...
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Jan 9, 2009
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You know, he debuted "Fuel Line" at the Detroit concert In December - right after a horrible announcement that thousands would be laid off in a couple weeks...
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... message to the ... way he ... I was actually put off a bit by the "My Sharona-esque" double-entendre women-with-cars metaphors in more than one of the...
PunkDavid
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Jan 9, 2009
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whats up gang. i watched the video for fork in the road as i listened for the first time. thought it was great...but then again, i get shit for my music being...
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Jan 21, 2009
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After watching the video and listening to FITR a few times, the song sounds very Greendale-like to me. It's telling a story with a Greendale-like feel, so I...
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Jan 21, 2009
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... of these songs. I'd like to think that this is how fans must have felt when they first heard Trans or Everybody's Rockin', but as strange as those two...
Ian Rosen
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Jan 9, 2009
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... On Are You Passionate?:- ... I thought AYP? was a good, if not great, album from the get go. I like the sound of the record, the production is strong and...
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Jan 9, 2009
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... of these songs. I like Fork, Get behind the Wheel, Just singin a song, Light a Candle, and one of the other ones, forget the name. Fuel Line and Cough Up...
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Jan 9, 2009
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Totally agree with Punk David. I'm hoping when I hear them a few more times they will grow on me but really can't see it. Hated Fork in the Road just from the...
arthur
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Jan 9, 2009
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Well, for me the debut of FITR is really good news. Good news for two reasons: 1) It wasn't "Fuel Line," "Hit the Road and Go to Town," or "Get Behind the...
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Jan 9, 2009
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Pros and Cons on this, but since the Cons seems to be so well represented, I'll try to make this a bit more of a "Pro" post. I think this new material is a...
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Jan 9, 2009
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... I should say that I've thought ever since CDII came out that this band that Neil is playing with might be the best band he has ever assembled. They have...
PunkDavid
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Jan 9, 2009
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... Don't Need a Map" and "Off the Road" are strong. If he could stay at that level, it would be a strong album. Maybe not the most classic of albums, but a...
Ian Rosen
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Jan 9, 2009
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JG (only a dream) wrote: <snip> ... stomper as it goes along, and the lyrics could meander a bit wider down that road. I'll wait before casting it into the...
Sharry Wilson
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Jan 9, 2009
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I can see that Sharry, but I also hear, right from the get go, Greendale. I love Dirty Old Man, but not so much ForkInTheRoad. lovekaren ...
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Jan 9, 2009
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let me open by saying I too liked AYP, LWW, CDII .. and all the other Neil albums nobody seems to like .. hell I even 'get' Trans several Neil albums have...
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Jan 9, 2009
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I apologize, I didn't mean to be rude myself. My intention was/is not to criticize you personally or call you rude... wise ass? No, your posts are generally...
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Jan 9, 2009
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Have to agree with you there, Ian. Josh Hisle, the Iraqi war veteran, who appeared in the CSNY/Deja Vu film and played the side stage at BSB last year was...
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