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Toronto show! Am I the only one hates Greendale?   Message List  
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Re: Toronto show! Am I the only one hates Greendale?

This is an excellent opportunity to refute the
erroneous charge that Rusties love everything Neil
does, and that we dump on people for not liking a
particular thing that Neil has done.

It's one thing to be an informed fan who understands a
lot about Neil's artistic approach but who doesn't
happen to care for Greendale. I think that's a
legitimate position to take.

It's quite another thing to be an ignorant HOGTT who
wants Neil to put on a Paul McCrapney show, and who
does not realize that Neil's perversity in front of an
audience dates back to the Kelvin High School
cafeteria. People who don't understand the most basic
historical facts about Neil Young's approach to His
audience can't be taken too seriously when they
complain.

I am a huge Neil fan. But I do not like everything He
has done. I think ER sucks and I think the Shocking
Pinks show was one of the worst concerts I've ever
been subjected to. There are plenty of intelligent,
well-informed Rusties right here who disagree with me
on that, and I have absolutely no problem with that.
They like ER and they enjoyed the Pinks shows.
Reasonable Rusties can disagree.

Another example: I have consciously tried to develop
both a taste and an artistic rationale for what I call
"Grunge Jazz Feedback," or GJF--those long
kite-trailings at the ends of certain songs, a mid-90s
experiment in Neil's development. Some Rusties don't
care for that "noise." Again, reasonable Rusties can
disagree.

In sum, being a Rust Fanatic does not mean that you
like everything He does, nor does it mean that you
will necessarily agree with other Rusties. The
hard-core fan is NOT attacking the HOGTT simply
because the HOGTT dislikes a given work. (That is the
false charge against the hard-core fan.) Rather, all
true fans should attack HOGTTs for no other reason
than the fact that HOGTTs are pathetic closed-minded
morons who understand nothing about Neil and who base
their ignorant spewings on prejudgment and some
variety of FNBS (False Neil Belief System).

I have not seen the Greendale stage production yet. I
have no idea what my reaction will be. I would not
criticize a fellow Rustie who has been to the show and
found it aesthetically wanting. But I am more than
happy to drive nails through the hands and feet of the
drunken punkers who hate Greendale merely because it
is not Southern Man. These are two different
critiques of Neil, one delivered in the context of
Neil Knowledge and the other delivered by those who
believe in Whores With No Name.

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Wed Jun 25, 2003 7:36 am

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First of all, I'm a huge Neil Young fan. He is by far my favourite musician. His music takes me places I would have otherwise never been. Nobody else's music...
Shawn Austin
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Jun 24, 2003
8:46 pm

I love honest posts like that! Good Job Shawn. Now I have to admit. I do like the new stuff. And Neil has amazing guts, balls, courage or whatever you want to...
Shawn McCorkle
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Jun 24, 2003
9:31 pm

<<When Neil finally launched into the encores it was so blatantly obvious to me how inferior in quality the Greendale songs are in comparison.>> I completely...
Bob Doisneau
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Jun 24, 2003
10:29 pm

... I share BD's sentiment here. I absolutely love the new material. Some have characterized Greendale as being "in competition" with Neil's older stuff....
Mike Cordova
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Jun 24, 2003
11:25 pm

... My friend's nephew (23 years old) went to the show. I told him in advance about Greendale. He was familiar with some of Neil and the Horse's better known...
Sharry Wilson
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Jun 25, 2003
1:34 am

OK your banned. This list is like the Bush administration. tom...
Neil Fan
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Jun 25, 2003
6:52 am

This is an excellent opportunity to refute the erroneous charge that Rusties love everything Neil does, and that we dump on people for not liking a particular...
Bob Young
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Jun 25, 2003
7:36 am

good points here, but I'd be a lil more peaceful on the one or other things: - Throw your hammer and nails down, cos Neil is more about Peace and Love ;-) -...
Rafael Kwasigroch
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Jun 25, 2003
9:31 am

One of the great things about Neil's music is the variety of people's reactions. It's cool that everyone doesn't dig Greendale, that's the way it goes. Heck,...
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Jun 25, 2003
2:21 pm

In a message dated 6/25/03 12:11:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "berg_alexander" <bo_alexander@...> writes: << I think Neil NEEDED to create something...
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Jun 26, 2003
2:37 am

DM13DM says, ... Young *and* CRAZY HORSE. We all know what that means ... Yeah, it means Nils and Danny and Jack. So where the hell are they? ... would be...
Bob Young
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Jun 26, 2003
4:28 am

... Bob, which show did you go to? A huge difference between Greendale and that Pinks tour is that Neil did a complete solo (or almost solo) show before the...
Mike Cordova
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Jun 26, 2003
2:25 pm

... That is true. I was at the Irvine Meadows show. We also had an 18-song "normal" concert before the Pinks, including a very nice DBTR with the Redwood...
Bob Young
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Jun 26, 2003
3:01 pm

... Hmmm, maybe he thought it would be fun. The Stray Cats were all over the radio and mtv, looking like they were having a good time, and Neil has mentioned...
Tim OMalley
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Jun 26, 2003
3:19 pm

... show). The Stray Cats were all over the radio and mtv, looking like they were having a good time, and Neil has mentioned how much he had playing the...
Ian Rosen
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Jun 26, 2003
5:28 pm

... Brilliant stuff...just goes to show that you can't trust a pork sausage! Separate the music from the man. Neil's a genius and an asshole. Perhaps the two...
seang1888
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Jun 26, 2003
3:48 pm

... Not me. I was out with Mozzer last weekend. He had nothing to say, never bought a drink, didn't even play the piano, plus he smelled a bit funny. ...
Family Jules
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Jun 26, 2003
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Here's something else to be considered by complainers who feel that they've been screwed over by deceptive advertising. *You should be grateful that Neil...
Bob Young
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Jun 26, 2003
6:08 am

... Kind of sums it all up, eh?...
Pontus
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Jun 26, 2003
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In a message dated 6/26/03 1:47:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob Young <bob_young_writer@...> writes: << >>When he toured with the International...
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Jun 26, 2003
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DM13DM says, ... The 1985 Tour of North America with The International Harvesters began on 8/9/85 and "Old Ways" was released on 8/12/85.<< Neither of our...
Bob Young
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Jun 26, 2003
12:32 pm

... I will agree with Bob, I saw this show in Dallas in July of 83 and had no idea what was to happen, my ticket stub has Solo Evening with Neil Young on it....
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Jun 26, 2003
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