jo wrote on Wednesday, May 6, 2009:

> this is from memory, but I'm almost certain it was the same
> recordings, just remixed a bit.

Yeah, though I think Gil Norton also added some overdubs at Blackwing
in London. And maybe the vocals were worked on there, too.

But the demo definitely has the same "feel".

Boy, what a great EP that was. I still remember how I first heard it
on a late night Northern Germany radio program (Alan Bangs was the
host and usually played cool new stuff from England).

Those were the days...

Bye,
Stefan
~~~



> 2009/5/6 <stefan@...>

> I just did, the cover says:

> "SIGHT OF YOU and SHE RIDES THE WAVES originally produced and recorded
> at Woodhouse Studios, Leeds, by Richard Formby and Mike Stout, Nov-Dec
> 1988"

> So the studio and date match (though not the engineer's name...), and
> so I guess this demo (or at least some backing tracks of it) could be
> the base of the EP version.

> Would have to do a direct A/B comparison to be sure, but have to get
> my daughter to bed now.  ;-)

> Bye,
> Stefan

David Clegg wrote on Wednesday, May 6, 2009:

> Ah, sorry about that - first time using audacity - the source project
> file also appears blank, sorry about that, not sure what I did!  Glad
> the others are OK though.  Sorry I've recently got rid of all my vinyl
> so can't check the record covers.

I just did, the cover says:

"SIGHT OF YOU and SHE RIDES THE WAVES originally produced and recorded
at Woodhouse Studios, Leeds, by Richard Formby and Mike Stout, Nov-Dec
1988"

So the studio and date match (though not the engineer's name...), and
so I guess this demo (or at least some backing tracks of it) could be
the base of the EP version.

Would have to do a direct A/B comparison to be sure, but have to get
my daughter to bed now.  ;-)

Bye,
Stefan
~~~

2009/5/6  <stefan@...>:

> Track #2 (She Rides The Waves) is just silent noise, though...

Ah, sorry about that - first time using audacity - the source project
file also appears blank, sorry about that, not sure what I did!  Glad
the others are OK though.  Sorry I've recently got rid of all my vinyl
so can't check the record covers.

David.

Hi David,

great, thanks a lot. And really interesting.

Track #2 (She Rides The Waves) is just silent noise, though...


The basic sound of Sight Of You is pretty similar to what ended up on
the official Barging... EP later.

I think I remember reading somewhere (on the EP cover?) that they took
the demo and reworked it somewhat, does anyone remember?

Too lazy to go downstairs and fetch the record cover now...  ;-)

Bye,
Stefan
~~~


David Clegg wrote on Thursday, April 30, 2009:
> Stefan,

> I have put the MP3s in the Files section of the group's page.
> Probably not great sound quality as I had to drop the bitrate down to
> get the filesize below yahoo's limit (and also because the only
> working cassette player I had isn't that great...)

> Anyay, hope they are of interest.

> David.

Stefan,

I have put the MP3s in the Files section of the group's page.
Probably not great sound quality as I had to drop the bitrate down to
get the filesize below yahoo's limit (and also because the only
working cassette player I had isn't that great...)

Anyay, hope they are of interest.

David.

Hi David,

thanks for this, I find it interesting.

As for mp3 copies, I'd surely love to hear it. So if it's not too much
extra work, that would be cool.

Just curious:

What was your uncle's studio/label...?

Bye,
Stefan
~~~


davidneilclegg wrote on Friday, April 24, 2009:
> Hello,

> This is my first post - please accept my apologies if this is not new or
useful information.

> I have a version of the "Barging into the presence of god" demo
> tape that is slightly different to the one pictured on the
> palesaints.co.uk website:

>  - it only has 3 tracks: The Sight Of You, She Rides The Waves,
> Colours and Shapes. The track listing is on bits of paper stuck on
> the inlay so I guess they were initially printed with the original
> track listing then had the new list stuck on.
>  - it has a different cover, black background with the image taking up about
half the front.

> It was sent to my Uncle's recording studio/record label - they
> didn't end up working with him and he passed the tape on to me as he
> thought I would like it.  I have put some photos on
> http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/d_n_clegg/pale_saints/
> happy for them to be downloaded and put up on palesaints.co.uk if
> they are of sufficient interest.  I can supply higher res versions
> (and one without the address/phone number blurred out) if required.
> Sorry again if this is old news - if it is of interest I could
> convert them to MP3 if people wanted to see if the 3 versions on
> here were different from the version on the other demo tape
> (although the date of recording is the same so they are probably the
> same versions)

> Cheers,

> David.



> ------------------------------------

> Yahoo! Groups Links

Hello,

This is my first post - please accept my apologies if this is not new or useful
information.

I have a version of the "Barging into the presence of god" demo tape that is
slightly different to the one pictured on the palesaints.co.uk website:

  - it only has 3 tracks: The Sight Of You, She Rides The Waves, Colours and
Shapes. The track listing is on bits of paper stuck on the inlay so I guess they
were initially printed with the original track listing then had the new list
stuck on.
  - it has a different cover, black background with the image taking up about
half the front.

It was sent to my Uncle's recording studio/record label - they didn't end up
working with him and he passed the tape on to me as he thought I would like it. 
I have put some photos on
http://s172.photobucket.com/albums/w7/d_n_clegg/pale_saints/
happy for them to be downloaded and put up on palesaints.co.uk if they are of
sufficient interest.  I can supply higher res versions (and one without the
address/phone number blurred out) if required.
Sorry again if this is old news - if it is of interest I could convert them to
MP3 if people wanted to see if the 3 versions on here were different from the
version on the other demo tape (although the date of recording is the same so
they are probably the same versions)

Cheers,

David.

sweetfoolthemouth wrote on Saturday, March 28, 2009:

> Blimey! Mind, looking back it was 21 years ago since I handed
> over the cash to make sure the 'Children Break' flexi got made! Now
> I feel *really* old...

Hah!  But good that the flexi was made. Who knows which way things
would have gone without it...


> I just uploaded the page with the photos - go to
> www.palesaints.co.uk and click on the '4AD Official Photos' page -
> I've not finished it yet, and want to give proper photo credits, but
> needless to say, I've done a TON of scanning these last few days!
> I'll also add links to the larger photos once I've tidied it up (not
> that they're difficult to view, mind). Phew.

These look great! Looking forward to seeing the larger images (the
thumbs are fine, but too small to see any detail for my middle-aged
eyes...).

Yeah, the mixed ones with the BOO's are fun!  Don't think I ever saw
press pics like that.  ;-)

Thanks for all your work on this.

Bye,
Stefan
~~~

--- In sightofyou@yahoogroups.com, stefan@... wrote:
> Yep, indeed!  :-)
>
> And can you believe that it's 17 years ago already?
>
> I guess we're all old now...

Blimey! Mind, looking back it was 21 years ago since I handed over the cash to
make sure the 'Children Break' flexi got made! Now I feel *really* old...

I just uploaded the page with the photos - go to www.palesaints.co.uk and click
on the '4AD Official Photos' page - I've not finished it yet, and want to give
proper photo credits, but needless to say, I've done a TON of scanning these
last few days! I'll also add links to the larger photos once I've tidied it up
(not that they're difficult to view, mind). Phew.

sweetfoolthemouth wrote on Tuesday, March 24, 2009:

> ...with The Boo Radleys, back when they both toured together (oh,
> and wasn't it a great tour...)

Yep, indeed!  :-)

And can you believe that it's 17 years ago already?

I guess we're all old now...

Bye,
Stefan
~~~

nothing major, but I was just rummaging around our archives at work, and found
loads of old Pale Saints press pics, which I'm going to start scanning in this
week, and adding to the site as soon as I get a chance.

There's some great pics - including one of the band with The Boo Radleys, back
when they both toured together (oh, and wasn't it a great tour...) - so keep an
eye out!

---

To: sightofyou@yahoogroups.com
From: jo.brooks@...
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 10:20:09 +0000
Subject: Re: [sightofyou] Re: Info on Jamie Watson

sorry, I have no idea! I've lost touch with the band, though I'll try and get in touch again, as this was after Ian left - I'll see what I can do!

--- In sightofyou@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Kalman" <Kergillian@...> wrote:
> I'm trying to track down info on Jamie Watson, who is credited as a songwriter
for Fine
Friend
> (from the Fine Friend EP and Slow Buildings album) - who is credited as J.
Watson on the
> releases.
>
> Does anyone if this is the same Jamie Watson who is the Scottish
engineer/producer who
> used to be a member of The Monos/The Solos?
>


Is noone active on this list any more? Or does nobody know the answer?

-Ben =)

Hello all,

I'm trying to track down info on Jamie Watson, who is credited as a songwriter
for Fine Friend
(from the Fine Friend EP and Slow Buildings album) - who is credited as J.
Watson on the
releases.

Does anyone if this is the same Jamie Watson who is the Scottish
engineer/producer who
used to be a member of The Monos/The Solos?

Thanks!

-Ben =)

jo wrote on Wednesday, May 2, 2007:

> It has been a bit quiet on here, hasn't it?

Yeah, but I guess that's alright.

I mean, the core action happened many years ago, and it's great to
have a place today where you can chat about the band (if you feel like
it).

So everything's fine.  ;-)

Bye,
Stefan
~~~

>  > i've seen pale saints two times on their last tour with cranes
>  > (http://www.cranes-fan.com).
>  > - hildesheim, "vier linden", dec. 3rd 1994 (missing in your list)
>  > - hamburg, "markthalle", dec. 15th 1994 (your list states it as a bettie
>  > serveert support gig, which is obvously wrong, as you can easily validate
> by
>  > having a look on the ticket to this last concert ever, posted in the
> "others"
>  > section)

I've got ftp access at work once more (my web provider switched
servers, and it started to work again - hurrah!), so I'll fix that -
thank you!


>  Me too. So that makes at least 25% of the active (i.e. posting)
>  people here on the list. ;-)

It has been a bit quiet on here, hasn't it? But what to talk about...!
Apparently, according to Wikipedia, Graeme has left The Terminals -
and Ian sent an email recently, saying he played a gig, and did some
Pale Saints covers - I'm guessing Chris is still in The Terminals, not
sure about Meriel or Colleen though!

m@... wrote on Tuesday, May 1, 2007:

> i've seen pale saints two times on their last tour with cranes
> (http://www.cranes-fan.com).
>  - hildesheim, "vier linden", dec. 3rd 1994 (missing in your list)
>  - hamburg, "markthalle", dec. 15th 1994 (your list states it as a bettie
> serveert support gig, which is obvously wrong, as you can easily validate by
> having a look on the ticket to this last concert ever, posted in the "others"
> section)


Hi M.,

so you're from Germany...?

Me too. So that makes at least 25% of the active (i.e. posting)
people here on the list.  ;-)


Right, I've been to that last concert, too, and can't remember
anything about Bettie Serveert either.

(but that doesn't necessarily mean a lot, because for some reason I
haven't got much memories left from that night anyway...)

Bye,
Stefan
~~~

hi,

i've seen pale saints two times on their last tour with cranes
(http://www.cranes-fan.com).
  - hildesheim, "vier linden", dec. 3rd 1994 (missing in your list)
  - hamburg, "markthalle", dec. 15th 1994 (your list states it as a bettie
serveert support gig, which is obvously wrong, as you can easily validate by
having a look on the ticket to this last concert ever, posted in the "others"
section)

apart from the date and location information, the hildesheim ticket looks the
same as the hamburg one.


bye :: m.

forgot to post this here!

I was back in York, and found a copy of the fanzine and Pale Saints
flexi, as my mum was tidying out the house. It's in good condition,
and on ebay - finishing tonight.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Pale-Saints-Children-Break-flexi-fanzine-1988_W0QQitemZ150\
099538832QQcategoryZ58668QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The fanzine was all my own work, with a bit of help from some other
people, but all put together by me. I'm also quite embarrassed by it,
but hey.

The Institute of Spoons release news

"In the next month or so coming out from Greengage Records based in
Houston, Texas, will be a super limited edition 7" lathe cut record.
On one side you can hear Two Sun Tears' (Ian Masters & Cailan Burns)
of Buddha on the Moon's 'Losing' and on t'other side will be Buddha on
the Moon's version of Friendly Science Orchestra's 'I'll never dream
again'.

There will only be 40 copies of this lathe cut and it won't be the
cheapest record you ever bought but if you want to reserve one or
enquire about it further, then please contact hk.clone(at)gmail.com.

The Institute wishes everyone a fruity and superfluous 2007.

The Curator of the Institute of Spoons"

On 03/01/07, jo <jo.brooks@...> wrote:
>
> There should be some Ian news soon too... more when I've got it
>

oh, and I also forgot to mention, I bought the domain name www.palesaints.co.uk,
which is
slowly working it's way up the google rankings as I type - same site, no news
just yet, though
I should do a few updates.

If anyone finds any articles or photos, please feel free to forward them to me,
for inclusion in
the site - you'll always get a credit!

Just in case anyone missed out, the noisy rock n roll band that Graeme
and Chris are now in, released their debut single late last year,
'Dictator' - on 7" only.


Norman Records aren't so keen though...

http://www.normanrecords.com/records/86504

http://www.myspace.com/theterminalsuk

There should be some Ian news soon too... more when I've got it

I never got to see them. I had two chances and my plans fell through
both times. I live in Illinois about two and a half hours south of
Chicago and when you're in high school it's an ordeal to get up to
the city for anything. I have been content to worship them from afar
for all these years.

Hi again,

I couldn't let this go..., to think that I may have been to the final
Pale Saints concert was just too exciting...

So I googled and found one hint on a Pale Saints concert together with
the Cranes in December 1994.

And now I'm sure that it was the Cranes my friend took me to!

Searching for Cranes concerts shows that they played the Hamburg
Markthalle on December 15th, 1994.

Can't remember about Bettie Serveert, but anyway...

I was there at the Pale Saints' final gig!

Oh boy...

Bye,
Stefan
~~~



This is a forwarded message
    From: stefan@... <stefan@...>
      To: sightofyou@yahoogroups.com <sightofyou@yahoogroups.com>
    Date: Sunday, September 17, 2006, 11:54:38 PM
Subject: [sightofyou] Pale Saints live

===================Original message text===============
sweetfoolthemouth wrote on Sunday, September 17, 2006:
> so, there's a few more of us now on here - how many times have you
> seen the band live, and whereabouts?
>
> There's a gigography over at www.palesaints.co.uk/gigography.html
>
> which might help you out!


Hi,

just saw them once -- Berlin 1992 (together with the Boo Radleys, what
a great package, btw...).


Although:

I seem to remember that I saw them again later in Hamburg, but I'm not
sure...

Sort of lost track of the band in 1993/94, but I think I have seen
them opening for someone during that time. Problem is that I can't
remember who that 'someone' was, but it was a band a friend forced me
to attend, and I wouldn't have gone there normally.

Then I think the Pale Saints were opening to my big surprise...


Checked your gigography, and there is the very last entry in Hamburg!

The show I went to could have been in December '94, and Markthalle is
the place I also remember, but I don't think I've ever been to a
Bettie Serveert concert...


Is that list complete...?

Bye,
Stefan
~~~




================End of original message text===========

sweetfoolthemouth wrote on Sunday, September 17, 2006:
> so, there's a few more of us now on here - how many times have you
> seen the band live, and whereabouts?
>
> There's a gigography over at www.palesaints.co.uk/gigography.html
>
> which might help you out!


Hi,

just saw them once -- Berlin 1992 (together with the Boo Radleys, what
a great package, btw...).


Although:

I seem to remember that I saw them again later in Hamburg, but I'm not
sure...

Sort of lost track of the band in 1993/94, but I think I have seen
them opening for someone during that time. Problem is that I can't
remember who that 'someone' was, but it was a band a friend forced me
to attend, and I wouldn't have gone there normally.

Then I think the Pale Saints were opening to my big surprise...


Checked your gigography, and there is the very last entry in Hamburg!

The show I went to could have been in December '94, and Markthalle is
the place I also remember, but I don't think I've ever been to a
Bettie Serveert concert...


Is that list complete...?

Bye,
Stefan
~~~

--- In sightofyou@yahoogroups.com, "sweetfoolthemouth" <jo.brooks@...> wrote:

woops, the correct address is 
http://palesaints.sweetfoolthemouth.co.uk/gigography.html

> There's a gigography over at www.palesaints.co.uk/gigography.html
>
> which might help you out!
>