--- In steinberger_world@yahoogroups.com, "Leonard Bosh Jr."
<lbj@b...> wrote:
> Is the difference between these two just the trem?
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   Yes
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>
> How come the GM-7SA is no longer available?
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Its just Temporarily Sold Out

Hi everyone! I'm looking for information about comparing Steinberger
Jam-Tremolo and Floyd Rose. I'm going to buy a new guitar next month
and I don't know what to take: Steinberger GSX (or GS) with Jam-Trem
or Hamer Chaparral with Floyd. I love Steinberger graphite blend
headstock neck, but I'm not sure if Jam-tremolo is better than Floyd
Rose. There is no locking nut on GSX (and GS), so I'm not sure that
Steinberger will stay in tune while working with tremolo.

Did anyone compare these two bridges JT and Floyd? What do you think?

thanks!

> Hi everyone! I'm looking for information about comparing
> Steinberger Jam-Tremolo and Floyd Rose. I'm going to buy a new
> guitar next month and I don't know what to take: Steinberger GSX
> (or GS) with Jam-Trem or Hamer Chaparral with Floyd. I love
> Steinberger graphite blend headstock neck, but I'm not sure if Jam-
> tremolo is better than Floyd Rose. There is no locking nut on GSX
> (and GS), so I'm not sure that Steinberger will stay in tune while
> working with tremolo.
>
> Did anyone compare these two bridges JT and Floyd? What do you
> think?
>
> thanks!


The silence on this one has been deafening so I'll try to help.

Think of the JamTrem as kind of a super R-Trem.  Like the Floyd and
the R it's a knife edge design.  It's been a while since I talked to
Ned about it but he seemed to really be fond of the design,
specifically the stability during use and the ability to lock the
trem.

I've never seen a JamTrem in person, and it was introduced when the
line was fading from popularity.  I don't think I've even seen good
up close pictures even.  Only a few hundred JamTrems were made, and
supposedly many were shipped to Japan & Australia.  The Aussies
wanted it because a native shredder by the name of Brett Garsed was a
prominent player of GS's at the time.  The Japanese just snapped up
anything with a Steinberger logo.

Unless you can play both of them in person and tell which one would
work better for you, any third party recommendation is pretty useless.
I can say the GS is probably a bit more uncommon and a higher end
guitar, and therefore probably more expensive.  But it's also more
likely to hold it's value should you decide to part with it.  That's
assuming you'd pay fair market value for it now.

Andy Y.

I can say the GS is probably a bit more uncommon and a higher end guitar, and therefore probably more expensive.  But it's also more likely to hold it's value should you decide to part with it.  That's assuming you'd pay fair market value for it now.

Hi out there!  I was thinking that the GS had TTs along with wasn't it called a Z-Trem?  Isn't the Jam-Trem the substandard one that nobody really cared for that we were talking about a couple of years ago?  I asked a question about anyone's experience with the Z-Trem back then and got zero replies.  Speaking of fair market value, my GS7T is in definite collector condition and surely one of the finest examples still in existence(the blue metallic one shown on the website), and I wonder what it's worth if I decided to sell it.  I call it my NASA guitar, cause it to me feels like a guitar NASA would build if they did ever build one.  I'm thinking of getting another old street rod show truck that's nearly completed and nearly show ready, and that takes considerable money, so that's the only way I'd consider parting with it is if I could get that all figured out.  Anyone have an idea on it's value?  Also, here goes again......Anyone have any experience with the Z-Trem?  Take care cyber 'Berger buds!  Benny   



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I'm selling a black GL4T, serial number 6258, made sometime in Dec
88 - Jan 89, Newburgh factory.  It's in perfect condition and
includes the black canvas gig bag, shoulder strap, cord, extra set
of calibrated strings, tools, and instructions.

Please see my add and photos on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3734968236

>   Hi out there!  I was thinking that the GS had TTs along with
wasn't it called a Z-Trem?  Isn't the Jam-Trem the substandard one
that nobody really cared for that we were talking about a couple of
years ago?  I asked a question about anyone's experience with the Z-
Trem back then and got zero replies.

And is the tremolo pictured on
http://www.steinbergerworld.com/Gbridges.htm#Z-Trem really a Z-trem?
Compare with the Jam-trem prototype pictured on
http://www.nedsteinberger.com/prototype/gs.html --they look
identical to me. Then there's another(?) design pictured here:
http://www.musicyo.com/planet/jam_trem.pdf --is that the true Jam
trem?

When searching for steinbergers on ebay I often find Gibson SGs,
Flying Vs and MIIIs equipped with Steinberger tremolos. Can't find
one right now, but IIRC they have a lever on top of the guitar
behind the trem, not a small knob as on the trem pictured in MYs PDF
file. Or are they broken Jam trems that lost their knobs?

>   Hi out there!  I was thinking that the GS had TTs along with
> wasn't it called a Z-Trem?  Isn't the Jam-Trem the substandard one
> that nobody really cared for that we were talking about a couple of
> years ago?  I asked a question about anyone's experience with the Z-
> Trem back then and got zero replies.

The GS's can be found w/ TT's, Z-Trems and JamTrems.  The Z-Trem was
an earlier creation and is a very basic knife edge design which also
includes a knife edge nut.  I think Ned took some of the complaints
about the Z-Trem to heart and came up with the JamTrem.

I think they may have some JamTrems still at the factory.  Will try
to get some pics when I'm down there.

Andy Y.

> When searching for steinbergers on ebay I often find Gibson SGs,
> Flying Vs and MIIIs equipped with Steinberger tremolos. Can't find
> one right now, but IIRC they have a lever on top of the guitar
> behind the trem, not a small knob as on the trem pictured in MYs
> PDF file. Or are they broken Jam trems that lost their knobs?

Those are probably KB Trems pictured here:

http://www.steinbergerworld.com/parts/kbtrem.jpg

I always get questions about these.  It was designed by Ned, but they
were never used on Steinberger branded insruments.  They show up on
Korean made instruments from the late 80's & early 90's.  They were
never sold as parts, and haven't been made in over a decade.  The two
most common questiosn I get are "what is it?" and "where I can get
parts?".  However the KB is not a very good trem.  Even Ned so much
as admitted as much to me.  So I tell them to just replace it with
something else more readily available and of higher quality.

Andy Y.

> > Those are probably KB Trems pictured here:
>
> http://www.steinbergerworld.com/parts/kbtrem.jpg

Yep, that's the one I was thinking of.

So is the KB trem the only bad one, or is the Jam trem of poor
quality too?

Andy,
Would it be possible to accompany you on a factory visit?
I presume that you mean during the Kramer Konvention which I'm
attending.
Definately understand if it would be an imposition.
Thanks,
Clarke

> I think they may have some JamTrems still at the factory.  Will try
> to get some pics when I'm down there.
>
> Andy Y.

Then there's another(?) design pictured here:
http://www.musicyo.com/planet/jam_trem.pdf --is that the true Jam trem?

> Would it be possible to accompany you on a factory visit?
> I presume that you mean during the Kramer Konvention which I'm
> attending.
> Definately understand if it would be an imposition.

Sorry, but I can't take guests with me.  Steinberger & MusicYo are in
the Epiphone factory & office.  There's millions of dollars of
guitars and parts everywhere.  Because of this security is tight, and
they wouldn't look to kindly on throwing the doors open to whomever
wants to look around.  Understand the interest, but their invitation
to visit is limited to me.  I will be taking more piics this year for
those curious.  Hope to get down to the Yo warehouse this time.

Andy Y.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3733776734

I do believe this is the first GM4T I've seen on auction that went
for under $1000.

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From: andyyak [mailto:andy@...]
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To: steinberger_world@yahoogroups.com
Subject: SteinbergerWorld thread: Re: Jam-Trem VS Floyd Rose,information needed

> Would it be possible to accompany you on a factory visit?
> I presume that you mean during the Kramer Konvention which I'm
> attending.
> Definately understand if it would be an imposition.

Sorry, but I can't take guests with me.  Steinberger & MusicYo are in
the Epiphone factory & office.  There's millions of dollars of
guitars and parts everywhere.  Because of this security is tight, and
they wouldn't look to kindly on throwing the doors open to whomever
wants to look around.  Understand the interest, but their invitation
to visit is limited to me.  I will be taking more piics this year for
those curious.  Hope to get down to the Yo warehouse this time.

Andy Y.



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> Don't "fret"! I visited the plant when they were still making GL's
> and it really wasn't that exciting. Might as well have been making
> toasters!

Truth be told, on the whole the Epiphone tour isn't much either.
Aside from the corner where they actually assemble the USA stuff for
Kramer, Steinberger & the Epiphone Heritage guitar, everything else
is a box operation.  They're taking stuff coming in from Asia,
unpacking it and checking it, then re-packing it for Yo or dealer
delivery.  So it's not like you see lots of stuff int he process of
being made.  It is impressive in it's size - it's a large two story
warehouse crammed full of instruments.  But the tour would be over in
10 minutes, since most of it is already in boxes.  The Gibson Custom
Shop down the road would be a whole 'nother story though. . .

I also got to see the "most attractive feature" last time down when I
went through the old parts.  They were in what they term "the shed".
It was like 85-90 degrees that day, easily over 100 in there.  I
guess I'm a glutton for punishment when it comes to this stuff.  The
guys were nice enough to check on me from time to time to make sure I
hadn't died out there ;-)  It was a gas seeing all the old parts and
figuring out what was what though.

Andy Y.

--- In steinberger_world@yahoogroups.com, "desertairhead"
<bsdegraff@b...> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3733776734
>
> I do believe this is the first GM4T I've seen on auction that went
> for under $1000.


I wouldn't worry too much. Ebay is a funny place when it comes to
deciding the value of an instrument. Sometimes nobody is looking to
buy something that there's alot of, so if the seller didn't open the
auction high or use a reserve it's gonna go cheap. I paid less for my
GM4T from Pedalman than this one sold for.

--- In steinberger_world@yahoogroups.com, "cugel123" <predator@o...>
wrote:
> > > Those are probably KB Trems pictured here:
> >
> > http://www.steinbergerworld.com/parts/kbtrem.jpg
>
> Yep, that's the one I was thinking of.
>
> So is the KB trem the only bad one, or is the Jam trem of poor
> quality too?


I saw this KB-Tremolo on Epiphone which had a strat body and a
locking nut. I didn't really understand how it worked with
locking/unlocking it, to me it looked like it was locked in any
position of locking lever.

>   Then there's another(?) design pictured here:
>   http://www.musicyo.com/planet/jam_trem.pdf --is that the true Jam
trem?


But here is another Jam-Trem:

http://www.nedsteinberger.com/prototype/

Click on GS photo to see the tremolo.

> >   Then there's another(?) design pictured here:
> >   http://www.musicyo.com/planet/jam_trem.pdf --is that the true
> >   Jam trem?
>
>
> But here is another Jam-Trem:
>
> http://www.nedsteinberger.com/prototype/
>
> Click on GS photo to see the tremolo.

Ned says the JamTrem used on the Kramers is the same one used on the
GS.  However he added that installation was a bit tricky.  Since they
didn't consult him when they produced those it's possible/probable it
wasn't done right.  That could account for some to much of the
lackluster performance and poor reviews of them on the Kramers.

Andy Y.

--- In steinberger_world@yahoogroups.com, "ironcorpse1984"
<ivanrecordsmail@t...> wrote:
>
> >   Then there's another(?) design pictured here:
> >   http://www.musicyo.com/planet/jam_trem.pdf --is that the true
Jam
> trem?
>
>
> But here is another Jam-Trem:
>
> http://www.nedsteinberger.com/prototype/
>
> Click on GS photo to see the tremolo.

Yes, that's what I was saying in
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/steinberger_world/message/13506
;-)

Maybe the trem in Ned's picture is not typical because it's a
prototype, or maybe someone made a typo somewhere.

I realise this has been answered before but I couldn't find it in the
archive. Apologies.
I need to replace a pickup on my original L2 here in the UK and want
to do the right thing, especially with phase issues etc to take into
account.
Any re-advice hugely apreciated.

Thanks,

Paul.

I own a GL3S from 1987 that I just love.

I need/want a companion XL2 bass.  Does anyone have an extra one
laying around or have a lead?

There is one on ebay currently that looks good without a folding leg
rest.

I don't know that I can buy this kind of instrument without first
fully checking it out in person.

Here's another headless Ibanez, but it's sold now:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3734096987&rd=1
I think they look great, but are they any good?

cugel123 wrote:

> Here's another headless Ibanez, but it's sold now:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3734096987&rd=1
> I think they look great, but are they any good?

looks like my XZ-25 with slight modifications to the carving on the
portion hear the forearm.

> > Here's another headless Ibanez, but it's sold now:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3734096987&rd=1
> > I think they look great, but are they any good?
>
> looks like my XZ-25 with slight modifications to the carving on the
> portion hear the forearm.

The Ibanez bodies are far narrower and obviously a bit more angular.
Never played one, but thought those and the Yamaha BX-1 basses were
two of the "also rans" during the headless craze that seemed to "get
it".  Many to most of the copycats were atrocities.  Then again it
was the 80's so that could be said of many guitars from that time.

Andy Y.

Allright, it looks like Jam-Trem is not the best way to spend money..
But I still want a Steinberger. Now I'm thinking about GR, what can
you say about R-Tremolo? Is it better than a Floyd? I'v searched
archive and found some bad reports about it, I'm wondering if it is
possible to install all types of strings or just the double ball
ones? Can I use 10-52 strings with that tremolo?

Thanks alot!